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Re: The Elder Scrolls Online/General Elder Scrolls Discussion
« Reply #860 on: August 09, 2014, 03:54:11 PM »
If anything, TES simply made them a bit taller, and that's debatable, since some texts reference them as "large children with beards." No matter how hard you want it to be, an underground steampunk race of golden armored, bearded men cannot be considered anything but straight Tolkien photocopying.

No.  That description came from this book, which is almost certainly (and intentionally on Bethesda's part) incorrect.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Herbane%27s_Bestiary:_Automatons

This guy is just an adventurer who fought the automatons.  He's not a scholar or researcher, and as he clearly admits, his knowledge of the "Dwarves" comes from folk tales passed around when he was a child.  There's no comparison between his account and the wiser heads who have actually studied the mysterious vanished race, and have all explained that the Dwemer were, in fact, elves.  Besides, Dwarven armor fits normal-sized people.  It clearly wasn't made for anyone small.

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« Reply #861 on: August 09, 2014, 05:04:58 PM »
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« Reply #862 on: August 09, 2014, 05:09:52 PM »
Rushy, can you give us an example of a fictional setting that is relatively unique?
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« Reply #863 on: August 09, 2014, 05:13:45 PM »
Oblivion is unique because it's an FPS

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« Reply #864 on: August 09, 2014, 05:47:40 PM »
The only other fantasy world I can think of that looks similar to Morrowind is Draenor in the Warcraft franchise. Cyrodiil on th ether hand looks like every other high-fantasy world.
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« Reply #865 on: August 09, 2014, 05:50:22 PM »
The only other fantasy world I can think of that looks similar to Morrowind is Draenor in the Warcraft franchise. Cyrodiil on th ether hand looks like every other high-fantasy world.

I don't see why this is a problem though. Cyrodil looks like that lore-wise. Just how Skyrim looks like a fucking mess.

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« Reply #866 on: August 09, 2014, 05:55:40 PM »
Cyrodil looks like that lore-wise.

Yeah, after its actual lore appearance was retconned. And then retconned again.

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« Reply #867 on: August 09, 2014, 05:56:03 PM »
Cyrodil looks like that lore-wise. Just how Skyrim looks like a fucking mess.

Actually, the lore that was available to us at the time of Oblivion's release described Cyrodiil very differently. Now we have an awkward retcon. How is Skyrim a mess?
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« Reply #868 on: August 09, 2014, 05:56:36 PM »
Cyrodil looks like that lore-wise.

Yeah, after its actual lore appearance was retconned. And then retconned again.

What was Cyrodil supposed to look like originally?

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« Reply #869 on: August 09, 2014, 05:58:04 PM »
It was mostly a very dense tropical jungle.
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« Reply #870 on: August 09, 2014, 06:02:24 PM »
It mostly a very dense tropical jungle.

That's not particularly original either. They probably changed it because it was too similar to the descriptions of Valenwood and Elsweyr.

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« Reply #871 on: August 09, 2014, 06:24:22 PM »
No.  That description came from this book, which is almost certainly (and intentionally on Bethesda's part) incorrect.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Herbane%27s_Bestiary:_Automatons

This guy is just an adventurer who fought the automatons.  He's not a scholar or researcher, and as he clearly admits, his knowledge of the "Dwarves" comes from folk tales passed around when he was a child.  There's no comparison between his account and the wiser heads who have actually studied the mysterious vanished race, and have all explained that the Dwemer were, in fact, elves.  Besides, Dwarven armor fits normal-sized people.  It clearly wasn't made for anyone small.

Normal sized Dwarven armor is manufactured by normal-sized people out of dwarven metal. Also, dwarven armor. dwarven metal. It's called that, because surprisingly enough, the dwemer are dwarves. If anything their association with elves is the myth, because as the Falmer learned, dwarves hate elves.

Rushy, can you give us an example of a fictional setting that is relatively unique?

Relative to what?

It mostly a very dense tropical jungle.

No, it isn't. Source: played Oblivion.

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« Reply #872 on: August 09, 2014, 06:35:52 PM »
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« Reply #873 on: August 09, 2014, 06:44:23 PM »
The Dwemer were no shorter than Humans or the Chimer.

Here's a Dwemer ghost. Even though he's standing slightly hunched over and with bent knees, he's still taller than the Bosmer next to him. Bosmers are short yes, but not as short as typical Dwarves.
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« Reply #874 on: August 09, 2014, 06:54:07 PM »
What happened to the Dwemer? Did they become Falmer? Or is there still no concrete explanation?

I remember reading something in one of the games that implied that the Dwemer ascended to a new plane of existence, or something. Or maybe they pissed off a god and it snapped them out of existence.
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« Reply #875 on: August 09, 2014, 06:54:49 PM »
What happened to the Dwemer? Did they become Falmer? Or is there still no concrete explanation?
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« Reply #876 on: August 09, 2014, 07:07:02 PM »
What happened to the Dwemer? Did they become Falmer? Or is there still no concrete explanation?

I remember reading something in one of the games that implied that the Dwemer ascended to a new plane of existence, or something. Or maybe they pissed off a god and it snapped them out of existence.

It's closer to the latter one.

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« Reply #877 on: August 09, 2014, 07:12:10 PM »
Falmers were always Falmers. Also known as Snow Elves.
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Re: The Elder Scrolls Online/General Elder Scrolls Discussion
« Reply #878 on: August 09, 2014, 07:26:45 PM »
Falmers were always Falmers. Also known as Snow Elves.

I thought Falmer were descended from Snow Elves when the Snow Elves were driven underground?
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« Reply #879 on: August 09, 2014, 08:01:22 PM »
Snow Elves are just another name for Falmer. Like how Dark Elves is another name for Dunmer.
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