Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2014, 05:12:56 PM »
Where is a map that is not distorted?

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2014, 05:16:30 PM »
Are there any maps in the world that are not distorted? 

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2014, 05:17:25 PM »
Where is a map that is not distorted?

Nowhere.  Even "round earth" maps have distortion because all spatial projections are inherently distorted.  And yes, that includes globes, round-earthers.

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2014, 05:32:42 PM »
A globe suffers from the least amount of distortion for RE maps.  Which FE map suffers the least distortion?
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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2014, 05:37:33 PM »
A globe suffers from the least amount of distortion for RE maps.  Which FE map suffers the least distortion?

I'm not a cartographer.  Are you?

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2014, 06:15:38 PM »
markjo is an internet wise guy. 

markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes?  Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible? 

Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2014, 09:42:07 PM »
markjo is an internet wise guy. 

markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes?  Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
Why do they not use a flat earth map which would be 100% accurate on a sheet of paper.

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2014, 10:22:23 PM »
markjo is an internet wise guy. 

markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes?  Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
Why do they not use a flat earth map which would be 100% accurate on a sheet of paper.
Maps, in fact, are flat, so they do.  Maps used for navigation, however, are not of the entire earth.  That would be silly.

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2014, 01:14:54 AM »
markjo is an internet wise guy. 

markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes?  Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
Why do they not use a flat earth map which would be 100% accurate on a sheet of paper.
Maps, in fact, are flat, so they do.  Maps used for navigation, however, are not of the entire earth.  That would be silly.

A flat map is not a flat earth map. There is no FE map that is anything more than an appropriation of  a RE projection.
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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2014, 04:28:30 AM »
markjo is an internet wise guy. 

markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes?  Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
Why do they not use a flat earth map which would be 100% accurate on a sheet of paper.
Maps, in fact, are flat, so they do.  Maps used for navigation, however, are not of the entire earth.  That would be silly.

A flat map is not a flat earth map. There is no FE map that is anything more than an appropriation of  a RE projection.

Meaningless and fallacious.  One could just as easily say that a globe is just a spherical projection of a flat earth map.  All maps are projections, no one is "appropriating" anything.

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2014, 06:04:16 AM »
Fallacious?  Why would you say that?  Are you trying to contend that the maps that are found in atlases were created by FE believers?  Are you telling me that either the Northern polar projection or the bipolar map is a scale and accurate depiction of a FE?
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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2014, 06:12:15 AM »
A globe suffers from the least amount of distortion for RE maps.  Which FE map suffers the least distortion?

I'm not a cartographer.  Are you?
Irrelevant.  You don't need to be a cartographer to know how maps work.
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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2014, 01:50:08 PM »
A globe suffers from the least amount of distortion for RE maps.  Which FE map suffers the least distortion?

I'm not a cartographer.  Are you?
Irrelevant.  You don't need to be a cartographer to know how maps work.

But in order to accurately judge the nature and extent of spatial distortion in one, you do.

Fallacious?  Why would you say that?  Are you trying to contend that the maps that are found in atlases were created by FE believers?  Are you telling me that either the Northern polar projection or the bipolar map is a scale and accurate depiction of a FE?

They may have been, I don't know.  I'm not asserting that any map is true and accurate (in fact, the opposite), I'm only disputing your use of the word "appropriation."

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2014, 02:22:42 PM »
But in order to accurately judge the nature and extent of spatial distortion in one, you do.
???  Why?  That sounds more like a mathematical concern than a geographic one.
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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2014, 04:05:32 AM »
The only map that makes perfect sense is a globe.  You can be in denial all that you want; however, I am telling you that a flat map is just a representation of a globe.

And you can be in denial all you want , but any of those so-called flat earth maps are simply copies of well known projections of a globe. There is no accurate  flat earth map of the earth simply because the earth is not flat, and you can be in denial of that all you want, too. But that is what flat earth society is based - denial.

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2014, 04:14:09 AM »
markjo is an internet wise guy. 

markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes?  Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?

JFWIW. Ships have chart rooms. Chart rooms have drawers and drawers of sectional charts. These sectional charts are made from relatively small areas of the earth to minimize distortion. These sectional charts are made from projections of a globe. These are the most accurate navigational aids possible.

 If flat earth maps were accurate, there would be no need for projections. But the truth of the matter is that any flat earth is really just a copy of one of the various projections of a globe. But like calling things "fake" fe is just going to be in denial.

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2014, 04:33:59 AM »
That would not be conclusive evidence.

As you can see from the flat earth model below, a South Pole is not evidence of a round earth.


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One more time. ;D It is simply just another copy of one type of  a projection made from a globe with the inherent inaccuracies and distortions of sizes and shapes. It is simply evidence of a projection made from a globe, which is evidence of a round earth. But this is in reality and reality evidently has no place on this website based on fantasy.

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Re: Circumnavigation
« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2014, 07:06:31 AM »
That would not be conclusive evidence.

As you can see from the flat earth model below, a South Pole is not evidence of a round earth.



One more time. ;D It is simply just another copy of one type of  a projection made from a globe with the inherent inaccuracies and distortions of sizes and shapes. It is simply evidence of a projection made from a globe, which is evidence of a round earth. But this is in reality and reality evidently has no place on this website based on fantasy.
Let me add to your observation.

A South Pole is indeed evidence of RET. It was predicted and subsequently (according to Tom Bishop) discovered. I suspect that like Thork's lack of understanding of acceleration, he doesn't understand what scientific evidence is. I guess that he meant "conclusive evidence", which is hardly the point. In Science there is no strictly conclusive evidence anyway.

A South Pole does destroy EnaG, even though Rowbotham claimed that his conclusion that the "South Pole" was actually a large circle was beyond all contradiction, given the Zetetic Method.

The "model" in Thork's post is really quite silly. I challenge any FEer who supports this model to locate the Sun (what part of the model is it over) at 1200 ZT for any day in July and then explain how the Sun manages to illuminate the distant Australia but not the closer UK.
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