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Just to be clear, you are all terrific, but everything you say is exactly what a moron would say.

Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2015, 07:33:51 AM »
"A wartime president can sell a Double Whopper to a vegetarian".

Such a tyrannical future where property rights would be ignored, where a massive standing army would lurk unchallengeable, where Congressmen would hold office for life, where ruinous treaties would be commonplace, where Presidential powers would make Nero jealous, where gold and silver would vanish from circulation to be replaced by the worthless "notes" of a private banking conglomeration, where the States would be reduced to mere administrative departments of the feds, and where the grasp of taxation would actually reach into the common laborer's paycheck - all this was too fantastic to be even theoretically contemplated during the ratification debates -

Kenneth W. Royce (Hologram of Liberty)


...not only were the poly meanings of "United States" intentionally and expressly used within the Constitution, but often in ways as to actually invite confusion. For such brilliant men to explain three jurisdictional concepts would, on its face, pose a great mystery -

The phrase "direct and immediate allegiance" is something right out of feudal law...Americans who became "U.S. citizens" have transposed themselves from one system into another fundamentally different from the first...Americans have unknowingly joined a modern feudal system in which they must render a percentage of their toil to their federal master -

The non-federal state Citizenship became virtually unknown as millions of state Americans were tricked out of their sovereignty and into federal citizenship - and thus into federal jurisdiction. Today, the states have been all but replaced by corporate, federal overlays...There's probably not enough left of the original states for Americans to resume state Citizenship -

Kenneth W. Royce (Hologram of Liberty)


No country has given its courts such extraordinary power. Not Britain, where an act of Parliament binds the courts. Not India...Not even West Germany or Ireland, where the power of judicial review is established but exercised on a narrower scale. The President is elected. State legislators and Governors are elected. Supreme Court Justices are not elected: they are appointed for life -

Archibald Cox (The Court and the Constitution)


That was the genius of the Constitution: To 1. utterly transform political reality without the people understanding it; 2. destroy the States without sound or smoke and 3. foist a government destined to become, over the distant horizon, fully national in scope and authority. By the time the States and the people would realize they'd been trumped, it would be too late -

Kenneth W. Royce (Hologram of Liberty)


Articles of the Confederation vs. the Constitution:

http://www.freedomforallseasons.org/ConstitutionThatNeverWas.asp


Let us first look at the Articles of Confederation.

The following is taken from Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 1887, page 148:

ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION.
The title of the compact which was made by the thirteen original states [former
colonies] of the United States of America.

Immediately it becomes apparent that the Articles was not created directly
by the people, but by the states or colonies on behalf of the People. This is a
critical point: the states, via the Articles, created the United States of America,
not the other way around.


Since the states formed this “league of friendship” wherein each state retained
its sovereignty, the United States of America is a creature of the states acting
for and on behalf of the states, with the blessing of the states. Thus—and let
this be clearly understood—the United States of America originally was not created
as a country. Each state, a sovereign country equal in status to each other
state, limitedly joined with the other states for mutual benefit—without giving
up its independence. A confederation does not a country make. On the contrary,
the entity created by the Articles is more on the order of a council (an assembly
or an advisory body).


Constitution

Let us now refer again to Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 1887, page 335:

CONSTITUTION.

The fundamental law of a free country which characterizes the organism of the
country and secures the rights of the citizen and determines his main duties as a
freeman.

Wait a minute. I can see why the states, free or sovereign countries, would
have constitutions. However, why would the United States of America, a confederation,
a collaboration between or a collective of free countries, have a constitution?
When did the United States itself become a country? Yes, I know, we all
think of the United States of America as a country, but the Articles in no way
states or implies that the United States of America is a country. To repeat, the Articles
stipulates that it is a “league” of friendship, what amounts to an assembly or
an advisory body. Today, however, we are faced with a United States Constitution
that is “the fundamental law of a free country."


Originally, the United States of America was not intended to be a country,
and yet the Constitution, or at least Bouvier’s law Dictionary, 1887 Ed, would
lead us to believe that it has become a country.


Notice, however, that under the Articles, the United States of America
would have had no authority, or even opportunity, to abuse or take cognizance of
the Peoples rights, because it was subservient to the States and because it existed
solely to handle certain matters on behalf of the states. Furthermore, under the
Constitution, that apparently created a country, there is the possibility (not to
mention the likelihood) of abuse, thus the need for the “further declaratory and
restrictive clauses.” The addition of the Bill of Rights tends to infer that someone
recognized the difference between the Articles and the Constitution and, thus,
the need to protect against it.


Then the Fourteenth Amendment, two years later in 1868, seemingly created
a subject-class citizenship called, confusingly enough, United States citizens
(when, theoretically, there previously had been only sovereign-class state Citizens).


If the United States of America is not a country (per the Articles), how is
it that it can have citizens or a constituency? If it is a country, how and when did
it become a country? It became a country when the Articles of Confederation (a
compact between states that essentially created a council that was a creature of
the states) was traded in for a Constitution (the fundamental law of a country).
However when the Constitution was first implemented, even though the rug
quite literally had been pulled out from under us, seemingly the concept of the
United-states-as-a-country wasn’t pushed until after the Civil War, which was the
real reason for the Civil War.

Alan Lewis Painter


Was the Revolutionary War won or not? The Treaty of 1783

http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/colony2.html
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Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2015, 11:01:33 AM »
The precondition for a third term is a major war starting in 2016 (the quote taken from a speech made by M. Rubio, posted earlier, explains the situation).



Flag of the British East India Company




Flag of the "United States" Corporation. Red, White and Blue
are known as the Colors of the King

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Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2015, 01:47:44 PM »
Uh huh...

Actually, the War of '16 will result in America becoming a province of Italy. This is obvious when you consider that Rubio is an Italian name, and what flag does the US flag look vaguely similar to?



That's the flag of The Most Serene Republic of Venice, once one of the most powerful mercantile nations in the world. Capitalism (or, Merchantism) continued, showing that Venice is still technically in charge of the Capitalist states - 2016 is when it will reclaim its spiritual colonies.

Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2015, 01:58:31 PM »
Unbeknownst to you, for much of the second half of the 19th century, and some parts of the 20th century, USA has been a province of Italy; more specifically (Jesuits, Red Papacy faction, Bourbon Catholic faction).

We have now the New Venice, the city of London.

With the arrival of the Bolsheviks in 1977 in the United States, the balance of power changed; they became the most powerful secret society in America.




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Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2015, 03:16:41 PM »
The Articles of Confederation were terrible, sandokhan, and that's why they were replaced by the Constitution.  It set up a weak, toothless federal government that had no power to resolve interstate conflicts or properly handle international affairs.  Also, the Fourteenth Amendment didn't invent the concept of American citizenship; it simply extended it to the former slaves whom prior case law had determined weren't citizens.
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Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2015, 06:27:58 PM »
Oh no, not that redemption/strawman/sovereign citizen/freeman on the land bullshit.  From a financial, legal, historical, or logical viewpoint, none of it makes any sense whatsoever.

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Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2015, 07:09:43 PM »
You're really trying to have a discussion/debate with sandokhan...
Wait, is Thork gay or does he just have a thing for lipstick?

Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2015, 07:11:03 PM »
From a financial, legal, historical, or logical viewpoint, none of it makes any sense whatsoever.

Of course it doesn't, especially from a historical point of view.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1726000#msg1726000


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Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2015, 07:18:22 PM »
Thanks for completely shitting up this thread, everyone.

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Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2015, 10:17:48 PM »
Am I really going to have to split this thread?

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Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2015, 11:13:02 PM »
Am I really going to have to split this thread?

I don't think anyone cares tbh, fam.
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Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2015, 09:12:39 PM »

Hey! don't put my name to this shit! I was on about the man with the dead kitten on his head which was relevent to the election debate,  well sort of!
Just to be clear, you are all terrific, but everything you say is exactly what a moron would say.

Re: The Curious Case of Levee
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2015, 06:49:31 AM »
The last five messages (incl. this one) should go to complete nonsense.

The rest of the discussion contains valuable material as it pertains to understanding the very foundations of the american electoral process: therefore, it should be reattached to the proper thread, the one it really belongs to.