Offline jimster

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how does gps work on FE?
« on: March 13, 2019, 09:08:45 PM »
GPS satellites have 4 atomic clocks and sends a very accurate time in its broadcast and gps receivers have a less good but adequate clock. The timestamp in broadcast is subtracted from receiver clock time and divided by the speed of light. The distance from 4 satellites intersects at only one place, your ocation, so some geometry math and you have your location.

There are open source gps receiver programs at sourceforge.net, so if you know c++, you can examine (or fix or dream up your own!) the calculations it makes and compile is yourself. We can truth check that that is the signal and that is how it works.

gps signals are at 12,500 miles, as you can confirm in the receiver code. You can also see how the satellites move and where they are with tracker software. It all matches.

If you don't have the transmitters where they say they are, the geometry will not work right. You can step through the code with a debugger and see the calculations yourself.

How does this work on FE?

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Re: how does gps work on FE?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2019, 04:12:09 PM »
ECHO

Echo, NASA's first communications satellite, was a passive spacecraft based on a balloon design created by an engineer at NASA's Langley Research Center. Made of Mylar, the satellite measured 100 feet (30 meters) in diameter. It launched Aug. 12, 1960. The satellite remained in orbit for almost eight years.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Echo-satellite

NASA hot air balloon program

https://www.nasa.gov/scientificballoons

I like how they call hot air balloons satellites. If you read the definition of satellite they are correct.

Re: how does gps work on FE?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2019, 04:19:46 PM »
Note the words "launched" and "orbit"? These were satellites. Not as sophisticated as GPS ones but they were orbiting the globe earth, just like GPS ones do.
I don't really see how this helps your cause.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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Re: how does gps work on FE?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2019, 05:30:02 PM »
I wish some FE would explain how we have gps without having satellites where they are published as being.

I have heard one explanation. It required thousands of flying transmitters, high above the atmosphere each with many time delay spoofing transmitters and ultra sharp cutoff antennas, etc, many impossible things with any known technology.




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Re: how does gps work on FE?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2019, 06:34:30 AM »
I wish some FE would explain how we have gps without having satellites where they are published as being.

I have heard one explanation. It required thousands of flying transmitters, high above the atmosphere each with many time delay spoofing transmitters and ultra sharp cutoff antennas, etc, many impossible things with any known technology.

The satellites are most likely hot air balloons like Echo. It was for communication.

Re: how does gps work on FE?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2019, 11:33:36 AM »
The satellites are most likely hot air balloons like Echo. It was for communication.
Echo was a satellite, not a hot air balloon. It was in the shape of a balloon but it was only inflated after it was launched into orbit. It orbited the earth every 2 hours

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Echo-satellite

So, apart from the sophistication, it was exactly like GPS satellites which also orbit the globe.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

Re: how does gps work on FE?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2019, 01:31:48 PM »
GPS technology was invented by Dr. Friedwardt Winterberg, in 1955, at the age of 26: proposing to put atomic clocks into artificial satellites.

But Dr. Winterberg is also one of the best proponents of the ether theory of the 20th century.


http://zfn.mpdl.mpg.de/data/Reihe_A/44/ZNA-1989-44a-1145.pdf

Substratum Interpretation of the Sagnac and the Aharonov-Bohm effect

Dr. Friedwardt Winterberg

Ph.D., Physics 1955 Max Planck Institute, Goettingen, Germany (Adv: Prof. W. Heisenberg)
1968-Present Professor of physics, University of Nevada Reno
1955-1959 Group leader theoretical physics division at nuclear research reactor in Hamburg, Germany, under President Eisenhower's "Atoms for Peace" program
Elected member International Academy of Astronautics, Paris, France.
Member of American Physical Society.
Recipient of the 1979 Hermann Oberth Gold Medal (the highest award in astronautical research given for his work on nuclear rocket propulsion).
More than 260 single author papers in refereed journals, two books, with many citations, including citations by the NY Times, Scientific American, Physics Today et al., 55 publications since 1992.


Now, what the RE have to explain is the MISSING ORBITAL SAGNAC EFFECT for GPS satellites, an effect which is 60 times greater than the ROTATIONAL SAGNAC EFFECT:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1983786#msg1983786 (four consecutive messages)

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Re: how does gps work on FE?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2019, 06:00:00 PM »
Echo was passive, it was the equivalent of a mirror. That's why they call it echo. Orbitted every two hoursw, had weak signal, mostly just experiment.

Modern communications satellites are geostationary repeaters, they actively boost the signal. DirecTV antennas point exactly at them. DirecTV web page will give altitude and azimuth. You can look where they are pointing, the satellitee must be at the intersection. You can get the direction to point your dish from DirecTV web site. You can confirm this direction is correct by signal strength at that heading and less elsewhere, none very far from that heading. You can triangulate using several DirecTV customers. You can do the math from DirecTV zip codes and see if the vectors intersect on FE (no).

GPS works by each receiver having a clock and each transmission has a timestamp. The receiver takes the known position of the satellite and subtracts its clock time to get the distance from the known location of the satellite. Do this with 4 satellites and the calculated distances intersect at only one place. You can see exactly how this is calculated in open source gps receiver software that you can download from sourceforge.net and read the C++ code.

You can see the calculations. You can see what it uses as satellite locations. You can see that gps works, and the receivers are getting the signals as though from satellites.

I do not believe there is a way to fake these signals that is plausible without having the transmitter be where they say it is, in orbit around RE.