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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: July 07, 2019, 10:07:05 AM »
Are we gonna discuss shit or are we gonna snark back and forth.
Yes.

I'd rather only do one at a time if possible
That's what she said.


Okay, so I think Spider-Man did grow as a character this time around. He seems to suffer from PTSD and/or depression after being an Avenger (not to the extent Tony Stark did after New York, but it feels similar). He seems to be making it pretty clear that he wants to set some boundaries regarding being more of a friendly neighborhood spider. Obviously with Tony being dead he won't be able to do that in the context of these films. Even more so after what happens in the post-credit scene. So that will be an internal struggle for him.

Also, Ned grew as a character too. He went from hamfisted comic relief to hamfisted comic relief with a girlfriend. I think that shows real progress and growth. But yeah, the support structure Spidey has in the movie doesn't add much overall and we don't see their characters develop. I think that has happened a lot in Marvel movies since AoU where forced puns started becoming the norm instead of "real" dialogue.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 07, 2019, 05:21:34 AM »
Do you have some specific evidence that human dignity is being sufficiently violated by these centers?
What does "sufficiently violated" mean? You already conceded this point in a previous post, but clearly don't think it is that big of a deal. If you want to lay out your threshold for what is and is not acceptable behavior, then maybe I can address your question.


You made the claim that child trafficking is not an excuse and that most people who come through the border are not being trafficked. No one else here made a contrary claim. You said:

I believe that out of the people being held in these camps, there are a lot more kids with parents or other family than there are with secret traffickers.
I made no such claim. I am somewhat astonished that you could quote me and continue on to make up a different version of what was said. It is literally in the quote.

And yet provided no evidence for that claim. Now that I ask for evidence, you tell me that I'm meant to prove it wrong?
Sorry, but you don't just get to put words in people's mouths and then ask for evidence for something you made up in your head. I wasn't the one who brought up trafficking as a valid reason to separate kids from their families. It is a common talking point that is provided with no evidence, but somehow I am expected to provide evidence for a counter-claim? Show me the evidence of these vast amounts of human trafficking occurring within these camps, and I will revise my position. Otherwise, it is a claim without evidence and can be dismissed as such.

If your argument is "well that's just a belief, not a claim" then surely you should wonder why you have extremely specific beliefs based on no evidence.
As opposed to the evidence of the majority of kids in these camps being subjects of trafficking? My belief is more that the administration has no issue with lying or making up claims. That is backed by plenty of evidence, which I would be happy to review with you if you would like. I suppose it could be wrong in this case, but until the authority making the claim provides such evidence, I will continue to think they are full of shit.

How do you know they haven't already done exactly that and that all of these policies are the direct result of past experience?
Because there is no evidence of this being the case. This isn't some secret national security op. If the policies are based on actual encounters and compiled data then they can parrot out whichever administration staff hasn't resigned yet to tell the American public why this approach may seem cruel but is actually necessary.

No one is issuing waivers here. You haven't mentioned any issues. You just keep talking vaguely about bad people doing bad things because they are bad.
Yes I have mentioned the issues. How specific do you want to get? You being purposefully obtuse on a point you already conceded does nothing to futher the disucssion.

See.
See what? There is evidence that 40% of cops perpetrate domestic violence. Do you have any evidence that proves otherwise?


I find it odd that you are focusing on pedantry instead of the actual, overarching topic. I have made my position abundantly clear, and it seems to mostly align with yours. I would be willing to concede that trafficking is a real concern in these camps, and that separating kids might be necessary as a measure to investigate. I would then say there needs to be a process that ensures kids aren't permanently separated from their parents when whatever method of confirmation comes back positive. This seems incredibly common sense to me, but feel free to let me know if you disagree.

Now that we have tackled that problem, lets give these folks some acceptable living conditions. Lets also not have CBP staff that mock and dehumanize those in these camps (and definitely not make a private facebook group to share said dehumanizing behavior). Maybe include some provisions to cover basic human needs and I think we are good to go.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: July 07, 2019, 04:57:24 AM »
Okay, there is a lot to unpack here...

Literally anything can be said about literally any movie ever created. I could be wrong but sounds like you're saying I shouldn't bring my subjective opinions to a discussion about a movie. Personally, if I were you and had a problem with the use of that word and was interested in having a discussion about something, I would have asked for clarification on what was meant by it but, sure, I guess just saying "thats a dumb meme" and moving on works too.
Yes, literally anything can be. However, criticisms of media tend to include arguments and examples to reinforce those arguments. So, yes you should bring your subjective opinions, but maybe build an actual argument first if you are going to play critic. If you are going to churn out a lazy critique then I am not going to put in the effort to ask you to clarify your lack of effort. Your first post about the movie was a reasonable and generalized take on why you didn't like it. I gave a meme reply about you being wrong, and then you replied with a bunch of empty phrases used in a 100-level film critique course.

First, sure, but that's not really a defense of the film as much as just a statement. If the general discussion was "Far from Home is worse than most MCU films" then yeah, but I'm talking about it as its own film. I don't really try to judge movies relative to others. B, I don't agree. On a super broad scale of "you know the bad guy will lose", sure, but on the level of basically being able to run a play-by-play in real-time with the film I definitely don't think so. Scene to scene I could basically tell everything they were going to do, I mouthed a few lines of dialogue out as characters said them because the dialogue was so bland and full of tropes and recycled lines that you could probably give the script a once-over and recite it verbatim (that's hyperbole, of course). Most Marvel films I'd say, sure, you likely have some general idea what's going to happen, but there tend to be moment-to-moment surprises, even if they're not massive plot twists. Plot is a lot more intricate than synopses; you can have an overall-predictable plot that's written well enough and cleverly enough that the moment-to-moment dialogue and actions aren't rote and predictable. That's where I feel like most Marvel movies lie. I feel like this one isn't even there.
I don't actually believe you were reciting lines with the characters, but this is a more believable criticism overall even if it isn't actually addressing any specifics of the movie.

I added "if you know the character" intentionally, since all you need to know is Mysterio is about illusion and trickery and you've already figured out "oh, all the elementals are fake, illusions he made, and he's just trying to look like a hero". Where they tried to be "clever" with it was, in the trailers, making it look like he was a hero in this interpretation and the Elementals were the villains.
Well, yes, if you know for sure that Mysterio is the villain then yes you can make plenty of inferences. But you still didn't know for certain until things actually happened. Then hindsight kicks in and you pat yourself on the back for being right all along. It would have made for a more interesting movie to do something different with Mysterio for sure, but it plays out like every other Marvel movie.

Sounds like we're on the same page here.
In general, I think we certainly are. But we are doing high brow analysis now so we can't actually agree on anything.

I'm talking about their evolution in their movies, not during the Blip. Character arcs and development is a core conceit of filmmaking. I 100% absolutely disagree that nobody really evolves in these movies, even if the evolution can be rather standard. Even a blander film (from a critical standpoint) like Doctor Strange has him evolve from a wealthy, selfish egotist to finding passion in something and realizing that he does care about saving people. He starts out barely acknowledging other people and constantly talking about himself to listening, finding some level of humility (though certainly still cocky) and letting people in. His worldview is pretty literally expanded. His changes are not only referenced by plot, but shown in his dialogue (for one extremely small and specific example, the fact that he expected things of others early on without any response on his part, then later on would actually thank people for things), the way he carries himself, the way he acts around others, and through his actions. I picked Doctor Strange because I enjoyed the movie but I think it was, artistically, kinda mediocre and shares a number of problems with Far from Home, but I still think it did a much better job with the basics at the very least.
Doctor Strange is probably one of the most cheesy examples to use. He is basically a Mr. Scrooge that finally realizes he is capable of empathy. I liked the movie as well, but there still isn't any depth there.

If there was a movie that had a toddler in it and thirty minutes of the movie was the toddler screaming and pooping on the floor, it may be realistic but that doesn't make it a better movie. Real-life dialogue and conversations are generally not very interesting or creative, at least not the majority of the time, either; hence why I didn't complain that people spoke in too grandiose a manner or that conversations weren't meandering enough.
FFH was a slightly hyperbolic stereotype of American teenagers and seemed pretty accurate. It at least aligns with other terrible movies about teen angst and relationships.

Similar to above, I hugely disagree. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, another MCU film I'm not a big fan of, explores the concept and idea of family in an amazingly organic way. We've already seen how similarly-dysfunctional people can be brought together in the first, but the sequel then digs a little deeper into that concept, the whole movie having him search for his biological father, feeling like it would fill some hole in his heart of an incomplete family, only to realize at the very end that blood isn't what's important and that, in this case, Yondu was more of a father than Ego ever could have been. It explores the concept with Nebula and Gamora as well, their relationship as sisters and their relationship with their, uh, "adopted father".
The theme of family in GotG 2 was incredibly forced. Oh hey Yondu was really just hard on him because he was the father Peter never had. I know, let's have Peter and his real dad play magic catch in the front yard, just like all those kids back on earth. Welp, we can't have any happiness so five minutes after meeting papa it all has to fall apart. I will concede that the relationship building between Nebula and Gamora was really well done, and added a lot to later films.

And I'm curious what makes him more interesting in this than previous iterations to you, since the movie Beck is basically just any generic Mysterio from the comics, just underutilized and with way fewer interesting scenes and abilities.
Because there is a real face behind it this time. A rugged, handsome face of a guy with some acting chops. And the illusion tech was still hella cool and stayed at least somewhat true to the character. Obviously comics and animated versions have a lot more leeway on what they can do visually and stay on a budget. I'd be surprised if Mysterio is actually dead and this wasn't just some set up for a later Sinister Six film.

In a good Mysterio appearance, in the comics, he's almost the Marvel equivalent of Scarecrow, though infinitely more flashy. He either uses his illusions to distract and confuse his foes, or he uses them to create nightmarish dreamscapes forged of their own mind (so he'd have them think; in reality, it's all tech [generally]), a chance for the hero to confront the dark side of themselves them and grow from it. Not...I dunno...sicing drones on his foe and having a shootout.
Eh, I just think you are wrong here. The dreamscapes were really cool visually and a bit mind-bending and deceptive. Peter is still too innocent in this iteration to have much a dark side. Unless he just really blames himself for Tony, which wouldn't make a lot of sense.

I played Spider-Man PS4 release date. It was very good and enjoyed it. While I appreciate all the assumptions of what I wanted and expected of the film, I've basically been telling you this entire time what I wanted from it—
Up until this post you haven't said what you wanted, so all I was left with was assumptions. You complained a bit, but offered no real examples of what you didn't like.

I assume you're interested in a discussion and not just "winning", given the effort in your response, so if you want clarification on anything all you have to do is ask. Which you get in responses, so I feel you're being a little hasty in being so dismissive. You also seem to be arguing (and I could be way off) less that this movie was decent and more that I shouldn't like other MCU movies, which doesn't have much to do with the quality of this movie. Of course, I just explained why I don't think it's the same as other MCU films so I do look forward to hearing your thoughts rather than assuming and pre-emptively dismissing them. :] I thought I made it pretty clear my expectations weren't very high before the film. Had it the depth of the game I'd be super happy with that, obviously, but I expected it to have the depth of...most okay-to-decent movies, ones that tend to accomplish more than this film in 3/4 the runtime.
I mean, there is no winning when arguing about any kind of media. I was mostly just giving you a hard time because you have mentioned that you want to work on your critiquing skills and I wanted to take you to task over it for no real reason other than to do it. Otherwise, you will end up just being another Saddam who writes paragraphs of criticisms that have no substance or original thought (not saying you do this). To me, this just isn't the movie for such an in-depth analysis. It is another generic superhero film that just happen to have some characters I like and some decent visuals. That is just my personal subjective take.

I mean if you just take a few of my critiques and don't do those, that's what they would've had to have done to make me like it. Saying "I don't think there was anything they could have done to make you like it" is nothing more than a meme trope response.
Okay, so if they would have added "soul" you would have liked it. Very tangible and very cool.

It can literally be used in every movie discussion ever. lol jk, but, for real, it's a bizarre answer that seems to insinuate you (contrary to saying you don't understand what I expected several times) very thoroughly know my expectations and what I want from a movie. Especially when my post was all about what I wanted from the movie. I like most of the MCU films. I didn't expect a Mysterio movie, but I don't think it's absurd of me to expect a character to be interesting. Batman Begins used a B-list Batman villain interestingly, and he had half the screen-time of this one. I mean damn they could've just given me a flashier Scarecrow with a fishbowl head and it would've been a way more interesting use of character than watching fishbowl-head spin around in a cloud of green dust while shooting lasers for 90% of his scenes in-character. Ant-Man had one of the most laughably bad Marvel villains but at least it used his abilities in interesting and varied ways. Even Homecoming kept putting Vulture in constantly differing situations so that he'd have to use his suit and general moveset creatively, like on the boat or in the warehouse and on the plane. I didn't want a ton from the movie, I just wanted it to be interesting in some way, to bring more than the absolute bare minimum to the table, and sometimes just nothing at all.
I still don't know exactly what you want. The examples you gave from other Marvel films about character development, depth, motivation, etc. are for the most part just as bad as everything in FFH. There is rarely any depth to it and I think you have just convinced yourself otherwise in some of these cases. I liked Mysterio overall. His predictable woe-is-me revenge plot doesn't really explain the entirety of his character but it isn't like there are any other deep or even consistent motivations in the MCU. Hell, while Thanos is at least consistent, there is all of a few minutes explaining his motivation and how he came to the super specific conclusion he did. But, that is off the topic of FFH. At the end of the day, FFH was fun and you are wrong for not liking it. Stop trying to be so contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 07, 2019, 12:28:51 AM »
Ah yes, the "you don't actually care" line. That's always very informative in a discussion about political policy. "Well X policy doesn't matter because you don't REALLY care" is a nonsensical argument. It's not even a moral stance, it's just you making strange assertions about motives instead of actions.
What on earth are you rambling about? We are talking about affording other humans basic dignity, not the entirety of of immigration policy. I don't think that much even needs to change. And if kids are going to be separated from their parents under the guise of sincere human trafficking concerns then there needs to be a policy/method in place that guarantees they are reunited when it is confirmed they are actually family. Then maybe provide a few basic necessities and don't treat others as if they were less than human.

Do you have some numbers to show that most of the children coming through the border are with their real family?
I am not making the claim that most, or even a significant number are traffickers. It seems people who think that is the case should provide the numbers, since they bear the burden of proof.

Do we know that the vast majority of border foot traffic isn't some form of human trafficking?
I would assume the very smart people running CBP have methods to determine this. They could even compile the statistics on it and formulate policy based on that.

Also, some inhumane treatment by CBP staff isn't good, it also doesn't warrant throwing out the entire process.
You are grossly hand waiving away some absolute abhorrent behavior. Also, no one is saying we should throw out the whole process...

Should we ban police because some police are bad?
Yes. I hear at least 40% are bad.

That argument doesn't make much sense when drawn to its eventual conclusion. "We can't do X process because X process is not perfect" is not a valid political stance.
I suppose it is a good thing that literally no one outside of the strawman you have constructed here is suggesting that argument.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 06, 2019, 09:26:47 PM »
Look, when the pay sucks and the job is hard, sometimes ya gotta scrape at the bottom and that means hiring people who just wanna make mexicans suffer.

Wait, are you suggesting that they aren't sending their best?...

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: July 06, 2019, 09:23:54 PM »
The movie was a soulless, thoroughly uninteresting and amazingly predictable blockbuster.
Saying things like "soulless" is nothing more than a meme trope criticism. It literally can be said and argued about any movie ever created. Predictable, sure. Every Marvel movie is predictable.

Literally the first trailer gives away the entire story, and they tried to be ""clever"" with the story while really just taking the most easy, predictable, generic route with it.
The trailer absolutely doesn't give it away, as predictable as it may be. I am not sure what you mean by trying to be "clever;" it was rather straightforward.

Nobody's really changed or evolved much as a person or character from the start to finish, since for Peter most of the movie is just being a selfish, whiny kid—and not in an interesting, deconstructive way or a way that gives us any deeper understanding of the character. The romance between him and MJ is laughably thin and not helped by garbage dialog.
How much could they evolve if they spent 5 years snapped and it was basically a few months in their time? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean. Outside of the core Avengers, no one really evolves in these movies. Also, it is literally about angsty high school kids and their relationships. Real life teens are much more of a meme with relationships than we see depicted in this film. Honestly, I am not even sure what your expectations are here.

The plot is paper thin and constantly just hands responsibilities off to deus ex machina so it doesn't have to naturally evolve or cleverly tie up any loose ends (or anything, really).

Yes, welcome to the MCU and Tony Stark's Spider-Man saga. This film wasn't even as bad about it as its predecessor since Tony is dead.

There's no discernible interesting overarching themes other than those they spell out for you, Mysterio is horrendously underutilized, as a generic, predictable baddy who is mad at his boss and lashes out; his "fights" with the Elementals were understandably generic and bland since it was him just being a movie star, basically, but when those are basically all we get to see of Mysterio doing shit, that's no longer understandable; we get one or two interesting scenes with him and his manipulation of people and taking advantage of their fears, and then our big bad final fight with MYSTERIO is...a...shootout? Just...drones shooting at Peter? That's it?
I still don't know what you expected. Every Marvel movie is about an inch deep thematically. Shifting that to a high school kid isn't going to magically turn the movie into Citizen Kane... Mysterio's character was far more interesting than previous comic and animated iterations I have seen. Maybe you have seen some stuff I haven't.

Like, I'm a big gurl and I'm cool with not having the same opinion of others, but it baffles me how anyone has loved this movie.
Did anyone love it? It was Spider-Man, and it was cool, because it is Spider-Man. If you want real character development and depth, then play through the game on PS4. It seems like the 30-hour game has what you were expecting from a 2-hour movie.

Of all the criticisms of the MCU being big, cut-and-paste, dry blockbusters steeped in quip sauce...this one is, by far, the most guilty. I went in just expecting an "ok" Marvel movie and to get an eyeful of my favorite Spidey villain and his visually and thematically interesting skillset, and I still came out incredibly let down. I'm glad you like it (I'd rather people enjoy things), I just don't get it at all.
No offense, but I don't think there was anything they could have done to make you like it. It is a Spidey movie, not a Mysterio movie. It was fun, and mostly forgettable (just like the majority of Marvel movies).

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 06, 2019, 08:22:00 PM »
I don't think it's the "optionally-attended camps" that most people have issue with. It's the separation of children from parents (inb4 but wHaT aBOuT tRaFfiCKinG that the right absolutely cares about...) and the shit conditions and objectively SS-like behavior from more than a few CBP staff...

Do you believe there's adequate evidence that the children actually belong to the people bringing them across the border? If there isn't, do you believe those children should be kept alongside individuals that may or may not be actual guardians?

It's not unusual for children to be separated from criminal parents. Child trafficking is not a joke and PuTiTing It LiKe ThIs doens't make it any less serious.

It isn't a joke. And it is very serious. What I am saying is that, in general, the right doesn't actually give a shit about Mexican kids who are victims of trafficking.

I believe that out of the people being held in these camps, there are a lot more kids with parents or other family than there are with secret traffickers. But, I am sure the very smart and highly qualified individuals running these investigations can promptly figure this out. I even believe they can figure it out without permanently separating kids from their families with no way to be reunited (which has happened repeatedly).

None of this addresses the inhumane behavior of multiple CBP staff, which you seemed to casually gloss over.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: July 05, 2019, 08:19:40 PM »
Spider-Man: Far from Home was garbage. Which is amazing. You put in Mysterio, my favorite Spidey villain, and Jake Gyllenhaal, my favorite actor, and you somehow manage to botch it. Impressive. Really impressive.

How does it feel to be ridiculously wrong tho?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 04, 2019, 11:04:28 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146514575048790019

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

*breathes*

AAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

And yet the left will call this very reasonable statement Nazism.

I don't think it's the "optionally-attended camps" that most people have issue with. It's the separation of children from parents (inb4 but wHaT aBOuT tRaFfiCKinG that the right absolutely cares about...) and the shit conditions and objectively SS-like behavior from more than a few CBP staff...

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Technology & Information / Re: New laptop
« on: June 26, 2019, 05:07:58 PM »
I had the 1st gen X1 several years ago, and currently use a 2018 MacBook Pro for work and a 2013 MacBook Air at home. Unless you have some need/want to be in the Apple ecosystem, get the X1 Extreme. The only Macs I use are ones I didn't have to pay for. While I prefer them in general for my own use case, I would go Lenovo if I had to spend my own dollarydoos.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I wanted to ask people about this
« on: June 20, 2019, 06:10:41 PM »
So please don't reply to me any more.
bump

Refrain from low-content posting in the upper fora. Warned.


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: New user! Pls answer my questions!
« on: June 19, 2019, 07:38:56 PM »
Welcome, start with the wiki and FAQ. The vast majority of your questions are answered there. Please also familiarise yourself with the forum rules.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 17, 2019, 05:01:45 PM »
Let me type this slowly so you can understand and please try to keep it within the realm of reality, ok?

You have been given ample warnings to stop this kind of childish behavior (as well as two bans). Keep your angst in CN/AR. Go ahead and have a month off.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: June 15, 2019, 03:28:01 AM »
Worked better than Steph Curry’s jump shot.

And KD's achilles. And Klay's ACL.
ThE RAptoRs HaVe aN AstERIx1!!!!!

warriors just paying off their deal with the devil to beat lebron the first time around

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: June 15, 2019, 01:36:44 AM »
Worked better than Steph Curry’s jump shot.

And KD's achilles. And Klay's ACL.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: June 15, 2019, 12:55:15 AM »
Not going to work. You already died on this forum once before.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Official Sports Thread
« on: June 14, 2019, 05:23:27 AM »
rip rama

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Cyberpunk 2077 E3
« on: June 11, 2019, 05:17:48 PM »
They're too busy playing Fortnite to play Final Weaboo 7.

You are as bad as Saddam, sometimes...

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Cyberpunk 2077 E3
« on: June 11, 2019, 03:55:13 PM »
Wasn't the entire enjoyment of FF7 based in the storyline which you already know the full details of, anyway? It's like watching a modern remake of an old movie you really liked. The only thing they can do is make it worse.

Yes, I typically remember the full details of media I consumed over two decades prior, especially media that consumes 60+ hours. Obviously I know the main tenets of the story, but there there are going to be a million new things and nuances that will be better conveyed using modern tech. Also nostalgia.

There is also a new generation who likely only has passing knowledge of the game, so there is something for everyone.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Cyberpunk 2077 E3
« on: June 11, 2019, 04:36:59 AM »
actually nvm


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