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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Disrespectful behavior from moderators.

« on: July 15, 2018, 10:29:02 PM »

Do you think after 18 posts that your assumptions about how this place runs, will be better than a moderator who has been here for years and knows how it actually runs?

And then do you think this 'concern' is likely to be taken seriously, or put into the crap hole with your other crap hole quality thread?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Did Jesus preach that earth was a globe and was created in billions of years?

« on: July 14, 2018, 01:38:16 PM »

Jesus was not Pythagoras or Eratosthenes. He didn't care about the shape of the earth. His concern was liberating people from sin and Hell, so he taught God's word.

I'm pretty sure Jesus was concerned with over throwing Roman rule and used religion to galvanise people.

The disciples weren't peace loving gentle people. Peter cut off a Roman soldiers ear with his sword. What is a disciple preaching peace even doing with a sword? Peter also shook people down for donations to the cause. Jesus went and over threw all the stands in the temple. And he was crucified. It is a lie to say he was crucified next to two thieves. Romans didn't crucify thieves. They only crucified traitors to the Roman empire. And that's how they viewed Jesus. He was an activist and cult leader ... these days we would call him a terrorist and his disciples a cell.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Using a telescope to see the sun at night

« on: July 13, 2018, 03:24:32 PM »

The sun is a spotlight. When it isn't shining on you, you can't see it. This is a pretty basic concept of FET. You'll need to understand the spotlight sun in order to progress this thread.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What causes the variation of the radius of the sun's orbit?

« on: July 13, 2018, 11:27:17 AM »

You'll find the angle is 23.4 degrees.


This was pitched by Galileo to the church way back when. Church leaders were obviously unhappy with this theory because
a) They knew the sun went around the earth
b) Galileo had decided to measure tilt arbitrarily from the polar axis. Had he instead chose to do that from the equator, the tilt would have come out as

90 - 23.4 =

Punch that into a calculator and then see how much sympathy you would have had for this theory if you were the Catholic church.

Quick check of bible

This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

something something

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship

something something

false prophet

something something

The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

House arrest for you, you dirty satanist. 

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Aliunz and SETI

« on: July 13, 2018, 09:53:59 AM »

Why is SETI wasting time and money

Has SETI ever done anything else? For all the money lavished on it, how many aliens have they found? The ROI on dollars to aliens is not good.

Forget your feelings on whether moan hoaxes are a thing or not, SETI is and has always been a propaganda exercise. It is the place Hollywood meets the space agency ...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 12, 2018, 11:02:10 PM »

From my cold dead hands. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 12, 2018, 10:18:24 PM »

Friends don’t let friends elect Trump.

When your friends send their President, you should be nice to him.

The useful idiots were out again today with banners like "say no to racism, my body my choice, ban trump" whipped up into a state of jabbering self-importance about how their balloon was so clever. Its always the feral left on the streets. The same people that protest about Brexit, protest about Windrush, protest about gay rights. If we would just send the army to shoot those 1000 or so people, there would be no more protests about anything.


What are we supposed to say? No, go home Trump, we aren't talking to you? In the words of Jordan Peterson ... 'there is a word for people you won't talk to, we call them enemies'. I don't think we want to be putting the USA into that category.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: What would it take for you to change your mind?

« on: July 12, 2018, 06:15:03 PM »

The only way to know is to investigate it for yourself.

So, in a simplified form, you're saying that you won't believe that any tree falls in the forest unless you see and hear it for yourself? A herd of lumberjacks could return after their day's work, and tell you how many they cut down, but you're not going to believe them?

If I am not the one paying them, I don't care either way. But if I paid them to cut down that tree, you're damn right I'll check for myself. No, I would not just take their word for it. No more than I trust a barber to cut the back of my hair properly. No, get the mirror out and let me see for myself.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: What would it take for you to change your mind?

« on: July 12, 2018, 04:16:25 PM »

Just because they told you they went into space isn't evidence that they did it.

It is when they tell you in tandem with shedloads of evidence that they did. Lunar samples, photos, videos, results from experiments deployed on the Moon, photos of the far side of the Moon.

Much of the orbital travel can be confirmed by you, the amateur observer, right here on Earth.

You can download data directly from weather satellites. You can buy radio amateur gear with which you can converse with the astronauts on the ISS as they go over you. You can buy tracking telescopes which will track orbital satellites for you. You can watch the satellites with a simple astronomical telescope.

561 people will tell you they went to space. If they all stood up in court to say so, and presented absolutely all the data, photos, videos, etc associated with their missions, what could you muster to categorically disprove them?

Ah, you see this is the problem. They don't feel the need to categorically disprove them, they ask you to categorically prove what they're saying.
And how do you do that? It's like my great kangaroo hoax theory:

Me: "I don't believe in kangaroos"
You: "What do you mean? Kangaroos live in Australia"
Me: "Have you ever been to Australia?"
You: "Well, no. But I know people who have and they've seen them."
Me: "Well, they're clearly in on it".
You: "But I've seen their pictures of one. Look here"
Me: "Looks fake to me"
You: "OK, here's a documentary with some video of them"
Me: "That's nice, have you seen Jurassic Park? Are T-Rex's real too?"
You: "Right. Let's go to a zoo where they have some. Look. There's a kangaroo!"
Me: "...looks like animatronic to me".

Now clearly this is ridiculous, but if I dig my heels in, call your witnesses liars and your evidence fake then although my position is increasingly silly, I can still walk away claiming that I don't believe in kangaroos and that you haven't been able to prove their existence to me. You can refuse to believe anything which doesn't fit in with your world view if you demand a high enough level of proof for anything to the contrary.

I think you are missing the entire point. It doesn't matter if people in general believe in Kangaroos ... it matters what YOU believe. And when you go to the zoo and are happy you've seen them and you've checked them for plug sockets or batteries ... then YOU can know Kangaroos are a thing. When the platypus was first discovered, no one believed it. And when they sent stuffed ones to museums, people thought they were a hoax animal that had been made from the parts of other animals stuck together. And that's scientists taking that view. They didn't just accept what they were told because what they were being told sounded ridiculous ... like the idea of living on a ball whirling around the sun for example. Sometimes you are presented with a platypus, sometimes with a sasquatch. The only way to know is to investigate it for yourself.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Unable to post in FE Projects

« on: July 12, 2018, 04:06:12 PM »

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=9359.0


Well that's where I wanted to post.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: What would it take for you to change your mind?

« on: July 12, 2018, 02:30:21 PM »

Well that's just it ... Branson promised in 2004 that he would be flying passengers for a first flight in 2007. We are now a staggering 14 years later and still no one has had a ride in a spaceship, despite handing over huge deposits many years ago.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Unable to post in FE Projects

« on: July 12, 2018, 02:27:57 PM »

Is this deliberately a closed forum and should I be locked out of it?

I wanted to add

Metaphysics by Aristotle to the list of recommended texts as it has the foundations of celestial gears and lots of other FE in it. We pull quite a lot from that book.
http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/metaphysics.html

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Flat Earth Community / Re: What would it take for you to change your mind?

« on: July 12, 2018, 12:57:43 PM »

If one of your friends comes back from a holiday in (say) Tibet, do you routinely insist that nobody has gone to Tibet until you've made the trip?

I went with my mate on a stag trip to Amsterdam. He told his future wife we went to Cornwall. All the lads kept this conspiracy going to this day. We all kept the secret. She has every reason to suspect he didn't go to Cornwall, but she never questioned it to find out the truth. I don't want to wake up one morning to find NASA has been eating someone else's fanny in a dirty bar in Holland, when they told me they went to the moon. 

Just because they told you they went into space isn't evidence that they did it.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: What would it take for you to change your mind?

« on: July 12, 2018, 11:01:17 AM »

I was actually asking the question in both directions,

You didn't ask the question in both directions.

because I'm genuinely interested.

How interested? Interested enough to use the search function?
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5019.msg97240#msg97240
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6996.0

What's the point in a forum where a person is berated for asking a question (in their very first post)?

Depends on the question. If the question is "help me understand how I can badger you with endless posts because you don't think what I think", probably not going to rack up much of a discussion. If it is "this is how I feel about topic x which I've been thinking about and here's some things I discovered about it"  ... now we can look at the topic together. I didn't like your question because it just looks like a clumsy trap, rather than an honest exploration of ideas.

Also if that is your definition of berated, you've led a sheltered life.

But fine. I'd like to go on a rocket and get into orbit to see for myself. That would change my mind. ... Where are you going to go with that? Are you Elon Musk? Are you going to give me a ride in a shapceship, Elon? When can I go, Elon? Also, what should I pack for the trip?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: What would it take for you to change your mind?

« on: July 12, 2018, 10:23:32 AM »

This question is asked again and again and again.


Dear Flat Earthers, tell us what would change your mind, so I can make endless threads about that one topic.


Its OK, that people don't think what you think. Its very normal. Without it we couldn't have democracy. Everyone would want to marry the exact same woman. We'd all drive the exact same car, wear the same clothes and decide to use the exact same coffee shop at the exact same time in the exact same city that we all decided was the best place to live. I don't care that you think the earth is round. And I'm not going to insist you change your mind about it.

Why don't you instead start from "What would it take for me to change my mind and think the earth is flat?". A far more fruitful exercise where you come out of it knowing more about yourself ... rather than more about what motivates a bunch of lunatics on the internet.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 12, 2018, 09:57:48 AM »

He's visiting London this week.
Must remember to take my bottles of piss in tomorrow.

We don't get to choose America's President. Either we are their friends or we aren't. And if we are, we should be nice to him and suck it up. Disrespecting Trump is disrespecting half of America. The half that likes NASCAR, building crypto-miners and eating squirrel. Arguably the better half.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017) - contains spoilers

« on: July 12, 2018, 09:52:35 AM »

I mean, maybe their point was that this is what happens when you give a woman military power, who knows?  Is it possible she was being overly emotional and irrational about it because she was ragging, or going through the symptoms of menopause? I've seen menopause in action, it is literally a bitch.

You should ask your doctor for some HRT.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: World Cup 2018

« on: July 12, 2018, 09:48:29 AM »

I've been lied to. Everyone said it was coming home. Its probably going to France instead. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Roles Reversed - seismology

« on: July 11, 2018, 12:37:16 AM »

a) perfect
b) ... so where are the reports from 142 degrees to 180 degrees on the green line?

Answer (because you are taking all year) ... those are the cyan lines. PKiKP lines.



Soooooo ... why am I getting P-waves (the PKIKP in cyan) between 103 and 142 degrees when the theory says I shouldn't?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Roles Reversed - seismology

« on: July 10, 2018, 11:54:57 PM »

I get this, now show me on the graph how this translates. I have all kinds of p-waves. Many in my shadow zone. Why? None should be in my shadow zone. This isn't a trick question. Why are my P waves showing up in a place they cannot show up, according to the theory. This has taken 2 pages already. Its a very simple question.


Ask yourself ... what is the shadow zone? What type of waves don't enter? Where are these on the graph? Why is it even called a shadow zone if I get waves inside there?