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Flat Earth Community / Re: I Made a 1:1 Scale Model of flat earth
« on: July 06, 2017, 10:52:31 PM »
I'd like to see what the sun and moon look like when they travel overhead or nearly overhead and then away from the observer on your model.

I'd like to see an attempt at this too.  As I imagine the moving of the Sun on the Flat Earth model, I can never figure out how it could possibly work.  This 3D rendering shows how it doesn't work.  It is possible to make a model that actually looks like the real Sun on a typical day?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Easy proof of a round earth
« on: July 06, 2017, 10:43:24 PM »
The space program climate has changed since the Flat Earth movement started.  It isn't just NASA anymore.  Low Earth and Geosynchronous orbiting vehicles are now dominated by commercial satellites.  The function and use of these satellites are not controlled by NASA.  Rocket launches are becoming more frequent and more publicized.  SpaceX has succeeded in changing the rules for access to space and I believe they are just getting started. 

GPS systems are on our phones while they sit in our pockets.  The Flat Earth Society is fascinating, but the NASA (and now multi-national governments) conspiracy theory aspect of it is collapsing. 

The globe-based technologies surrounding us actually work.  When rockets, satellites, dishes, and phones are designed to work as if the Earth is a globe, and they start working, it means the Earth is indeed a globe.

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Doesn't your criticism then apply also to all flat earth theories? ... Aren't you in the same boat as the astronomers when you offer flat earth explanations?

I have to agree with Nirmala on this.  Tom Bishop has done an excellent job condemning the basis of Flat Earth Theory.  Namely that the bulk of Flat Earth thought is based on observations and thought experiments, not on actual Zetetic laboratory experimentation.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How do flat Earth-ers deal with this issue?
« on: July 06, 2017, 01:56:07 AM »
At the exact moment that the sun sets in the West horizon for person A, it also rises on the East horizon for person B.   This is an endless chain that occurs throughout the planet.   

With a spherical earth model, the reason this happens is obvious.  However, (unless I am misunderstanding your theory), the spinning pancake model definitely does not explain this.   

How does the spinning pancake flat earth model, (or any other flat earth model), explain this?

To answer your question directly, look at the picture below. 
Imagine Person A is standing in New Zealand and sees the sun setting as it moves away to the West.  At the same time, Person B could be in Egypt and the Sun is rising as it approaches from the East.


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Flat Earth Community / Re: Mind = Blown
« on: July 06, 2017, 01:22:54 AM »
I'm brand new too, but have been reading for a while.  I am fascinated by the whole Flat Earth idea even though I can't make any of it work out for me in real life.  I am definitely in the round-earth camp, but have found this forum to be a ton of fun.  I'm here to share my genuine observations with a goal to keep it respectful and polite.  Good-day to you all.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
« on: July 06, 2017, 01:03:16 AM »
I'd just like to point out that the true curvature of the Earth is visible in all the weather balloon videos out there on YouTube.  It is true that the camera lens is distorting the horizon across the screen from left to right, but that isn't the only curving of the Earth in these pictures.  In all the videos you can see that the Earth curves away from us into the distance.  If the Earth was flat, we should be able to see hundreds or thousands of miles away into the distance as we rise higher.  Instead we always see the edge of the Earth in a sharp line as it curves away from us.



This screen shot at 6:16 from the video posted above shows the horizon from left to right looking as if the Earth's curve is concave.  We all know that is not correct, it is a lens distortion.  However in this same image, we can see that the Earth curves away from us into the distance.  It is very clear that anything moving away from you would fly out and down around the bend and out of sight as the Earth curves away.  Every balloon video that I've ever watched on YouTube shows this same thing; even the ones claiming 100% proof that the Earth is flat.  As I look at them, they all show camera lenses distorting a picture of a spherical Earth curving away out of sight.

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