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Flat Earth General / Re: Do Rockets Work in Space?
« on: September 05, 2015, 03:02:51 PM »
It doesn't really matter. Even if it were a vacuum, under the theory provided by the author of the video in the OP, where the entire system acts as one, the rocket is just pushing off of the solid Plexiglas door rather than the atmosphere. There is no demonstration that the propelling mechanism is due to the ejection of matter from the engine as stated by rocket scientists.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: September 05, 2015, 02:53:14 PM »
Why should only 5 members of hundreds of members be expected to contribute to the movement?

This is supposed to be a society, an "organization or club formed for a particular purpose or activity" (Google). The idea that only a small group of people should be responsible for pushing the movement forward while the rest do nothing is antithetical to the concept.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: September 05, 2015, 12:25:56 AM »
All members should be expected and encouraged to contribute in some way, not only 5 elected ones. By designing the membership around community collaboration, it fosters camaraderie.

Do you really want to join a Flat Earth Society and just receive a thank you and a certificate, hearing nothing more, or do you want to join a Flat Earth Society which involves you in community projects and activities which furthers the theory and movement?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do Rockets Work in Space?
« on: September 04, 2015, 03:13:58 PM »
Instead of beating around the bush, why not make/buy a vacuum chamber and test your hypothesis yourself?
Perhaps this can be an activity the society can fundraise for.

That's obviously never, ever going to happen.

Instead of making pie-in-the-sky plans that will never come to fruition, why not just spend the money to test your hypothesis on your own?  We're only talking about a few hundred bucks here; maybe a grand if you wanted to build something pretty nice.  Maybe front the money for the equipment, conduct the experiment, make a detailed recording of your expenses, and then try to raise funds to cover those costs.  I would genuinely be happy to throw a few bucks your way to offset the cost of such an experiment so long as it was well-documented.  I imagine others would as well.

My point is that you probably already have the means to test your hypothesis and record your results here.  Why merely take the word of a YouTube video?

Upon some reflection on the theory as stated in the video, I no longer believe that a small vacuum chamber can test this effect. It can be argued by proponents of the theory that the craft is pushing off of a wall of the chamber, rather than the atmosphere, and that nothing would be demonstrated either way.

I revert back to my original experiment, and think if the balloon car from the first experiment sped up when there was a solid body put near its exhaust area, it would demonstrate the theory to be true.

I would like to see one more experiment tried, with a barrier that is not attached to the vehicle. For instance, what would happen if he put his outstretched palm following the exhaust pipe at a distance of two inches as the car sped away? Would the car speed up since his hand is more solid than the atmosphere? I think that might be more conclusive evidence.

Do you have any comments on the validity of such an experiment?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do Rockets Work in Space?
« on: September 04, 2015, 03:03:49 PM »
Rockets work just fine in space,  it's just simply conservation of momentum.   

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/its-rocket-science/

Thank you for that link. I agree that it appears that the rocket did work in a vacuum. However, on reassessment of the idea, I do not think a relatively small vaccum chamber would be an appropriate test of this theory.

The author of the video would assert that rather that, rather than the atmosphere, the bottle rocket is pushing off of the pixiglass door behind the rocket in this experiment, and his theory holds.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do Rockets Work in Space?
« on: September 04, 2015, 01:22:46 AM »
Instead of beating around the bush, why not make/buy a vacuum chamber and test your hypothesis yourself?

Hoppy is correct, the equal and opposite reaction theory given for rockets does not make sense.

I did find some instructions for making a vaccum chamber: http://www.instructables.com/id/Pressure-Cooker-Vacuum-Chamber/

Perhaps this can be an activity the society can fundraise for.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do Rockets Work in Space?
« on: September 04, 2015, 12:41:06 AM »
I think this could be a subject worth further investigation. I would like to see one more experiment tried, with a barrier that is not attached to the vehicle. For instance, what would happen if he put his outstretched palm following the exhaust pipe at a distance of two inches as the car sped away? Would the car speed up since his hand is more solid than the atmosphere? I think that might be more conclusive evidence.

Are there any other ways which can prove or disprove his theory which seems to suggest that Newton's Third Law is false?

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Flat Earth General / Do Rockets Work in Space?
« on: September 04, 2015, 12:16:52 AM »
I found an interesting video by a man who claims that rockets should not work in space.


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Earth Not a Globe Workshop / Re: Introduction Page - comments wanted
« on: September 03, 2015, 08:12:38 PM »
Added numbers to the paragraphs for easier discussion and collaboration. Numbers will be removed in a final version.

Changed "Sinisterly" to "Even more troubling" on 3.

Added the following to 4: "We are skeptics, and rightly so. The role of the skeptic is to examine both the claims and the evidence, to expose any internal or external inconsistencies, and to prefer those conclusions that are more consistent with real-world facts than competing claims, rejecting any that are manifestly inconsistent with themselves and with the truth."

Broke the remainder of the 4th paragraph into a 5th paragraph.

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Earth Not a Globe Workshop / Introduction Page - comments wanted
« on: September 03, 2015, 05:23:07 PM »
This is a draft of the introduction page. Numbers are for commenting and collaboration purposes and will be removed in a final version.

Introduction

1 Welcome reader, to the 21st Century Edition of Earth Not a Globe. This is a living document based on the seminal teachings of the book Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham, an inquiry into the shape of the world written over 150 years ago. We invite you to join us on a free thinking adventure into the shape of the earth, the foundations of science, and the philosophy of truth.

2 We are the Flat Earth Society, a community of intellectuals who believe that the earth is flat. The earth is not a globe of popular credulity, but a vast plane of unknown extent. The earth is flat for many reasons and much evidence points towards this flatness. This book will explore the evidence, address the opposition, and discuss ramifications hereto.

3 Built on Ancient Greek theories, bankrolled by the misinformed and corrupt, the globular dogma has brainwashed nearly every man, woman and child on earth. The idea that the earth is round is accepted without question or hesitation, as if they were words from a higher power. The necessity of things like peer review are hardly considered. Even more troubling, it goes further than blind acceptance. Our society teaches that to question is to be ignorant. If you question a supposed truth, you are mocked. We live a world where “skeptics” of any subject are painted with disdain, where the President of the United States feels the need to insult the Flat Earth Society on national television for questioning the status quo.

4 The Flat Earth Society is a bastion of disobedience, a shining buoy of rebellion on a dark sea of compliance, a declaration that we must not blindly accept a truth without compelling evidence. We are skeptics, and rightly so. The role of the skeptic is to examine both the claims and the evidence, to expose any internal or external inconsistencies, and to prefer those conclusions that are more consistent with real-world facts than competing claims, rejecting any that are manifestly inconsistent with themselves and with the truth.

5 To accept blindly is to live in ignorance. To question the world around you is to be free. So we seek to question -- to endlessly question and question again -- to unravel the mysteries of reality for ourselves, allowing truth to be our compass and to follow it wherever it leads us.

6 The idea of a round earth is much more than just a shape. It is the cornerstone of western science, of our perception of the universe and of our own humanity. As we will demonstrate, a blow against the shape of the earth is a blow against everything, with far reaching consequences from  the nature of the universe, down to the scientific method itself. The stakes are high and the reader is encouraged to weigh the subject matter with care.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: September 03, 2015, 03:32:26 PM »
Are there any others opposed?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: September 01, 2015, 08:25:23 PM »
Not sure what the point is though. They can register here already. They can follow us on Twitter or Facebook. What does registering as a member do for them?

Maybe we could just allow a change to user profiles for the time being. If you want to be an official member, you get a little badge for your profile or something until we can sort out certificates etc. Then when we are organised, we can send out messages or emails inviting people to download their certificate or whatever.

Is work for the admins though.  :-\

They will be able to vote in the Zetetic Council forums and will self motivate themselves to take the reigns of the society:

I've been kicking ideas around in my head for how we can make the Zetetic Council better. I had a few ideas. My conclusion is as follows:

    1. We open up Flat Earth Society membership to all who want it. As a member of the Flat Earth Society your name goes onto a roster, you agree to fight globularist heresy in all its forms, and you will receive a certificate reflecting this (virtual or printed TBD).

    2. As a official member of the Flat Earth Society you receive standing recognition and access to in the Zetetic Council Board

    3. Zeteic Council members are elected and are tasked with creating and putting proposals to a vote. Zetetic Council members provide organizational guidance, but are not considered the workhorses.

    4. Official members of the Flat Earth Society vote and comment on the proposals, and in doing so self motivate themselves to begin the project and see it to completion.

We may want to rename the Zetetic Council Board to another name, but I believe this idea has a lot of merit. I welcome comments on this idea.

Public comments may go here.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: August 28, 2015, 02:03:43 AM »
Are there any opposed to starting with free membership until suitable vendors can be found?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: "Planned Parenthood"
« on: August 27, 2015, 10:22:32 PM »
Just out of curiosity, why does it seem like everyone assume that Planned Parenthood's sole function is to perform abortions?  From what I understand, abortions are only around 6% of their business.  Most of the rest is women's healthcare, STD testing, contraception and education.

Just because they might pass out 20 pamphlets or condoms for every abortion they perform doesn't take away the fact that their primary business is abortion.
Since when is 3% of what you do considered your primary business?  BTW, you do realize that Planned Parenthood is forbidden by law to use government funds to perform abortions, don't you?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/04/how-planned-parenthood-actually-uses-its-federal-funding/



For Planned Parenthood abortion stats, ‘3 percent’ and ’94 percent’ are both misleading

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: "Planned Parenthood"
« on: August 27, 2015, 04:23:13 PM »
Just out of curiosity, why does it seem like everyone assume that Planned Parenthood's sole function is to perform abortions?  From what I understand, abortions are only around 6% of their business.  Most of the rest is women's healthcare, STD testing, contraception and education.

Just because they might pass out 20 pamphlets or condoms for every abortion they perform doesn't take away the fact that their primary business is abortion.

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What in onions has the ability to destroy cells with malformed DNA?

Garlic and peppers kill off the many parasites which live in your body, freeing up your immune system to fight the cancer. In fact, there are studies showing that cancers are associated with certain parasite infections, perhaps even as a cause.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Sun set, Is the sun moving away?
« on: August 24, 2015, 01:13:20 AM »
The sun is illuminating the semi-transparent cloud from the side at a slight upwards angle and you are below the cloud looking up at  it.

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Go give someone with cancer these things, and they are going to die like every other untreated patient.

You don't believe that nature can medicate the body?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: YouTube LIARS Caught In the Act
« on: August 16, 2015, 03:14:04 PM »
We have long documented that the laser experiments to the moon from that observatory were funded by NASA.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: August 13, 2015, 12:29:21 PM »
I am unable to find an appropriate vendor willing to send off custom orders to members.

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