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Flat Earth Projects / Discussion with Admins on Membership
« on: January 05, 2016, 05:50:00 PM »
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Earth Not a Globe Workshop / Zetetic Method Vs Scientific Method Notes
« on: November 15, 2015, 04:44:19 AM »
It's easier for me if I keep my notes here and update the thread with content as I go.
Outline:
P1. Define Zetetic: Zetetic method is a method of empiricism where all possibilities considered and all tests tried.
P2. Examples of Zetetc Method in practice. Creation of new medicines is generally based on Zetetic method, for example.
P3. Disclaimer on the meaning of truth and how it generally means the "current truth"
P4. Explanation of the Scientific Method. Description of steps. Explain its inferiority for building truth off of a specific hypothesis. By not considering all known possibilities a "half-truth" or "partial-truth" may slip by.
P5. Describe how Astronomy is not a science, not even following the Scientific Method.
P6. Describe how the Nasa space flights generally do not count as science themselves, being ultimately a claim. Describe how NASA space flights and space science are not even peer reviewed, the standard in scientific credibility.
Outline:
P1. Define Zetetic: Zetetic method is a method of empiricism where all possibilities considered and all tests tried.
P2. Examples of Zetetc Method in practice. Creation of new medicines is generally based on Zetetic method, for example.
P3. Disclaimer on the meaning of truth and how it generally means the "current truth"
P4. Explanation of the Scientific Method. Description of steps. Explain its inferiority for building truth off of a specific hypothesis. By not considering all known possibilities a "half-truth" or "partial-truth" may slip by.
P5. Describe how Astronomy is not a science, not even following the Scientific Method.
P6. Describe how the Nasa space flights generally do not count as science themselves, being ultimately a claim. Describe how NASA space flights and space science are not even peer reviewed, the standard in scientific credibility.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / CNN Hosts Second Republican Debate
« on: September 18, 2015, 12:15:09 AM »
Did anyone watch CNN's 2nd Republican debate last night? Every poll from Drudge to Newsmax to Time Magazine, has Donald Trump winning in a landslide.
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Flat Earth Theory / Ask Tom Bishop
« on: September 13, 2015, 05:48:50 AM »
I have been a Flat Earther for over 8 years. I have seen and debated it all. Ask me anything and I will provide an answer.
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Flat Earth Community / Do Rockets Work in Space?
« on: September 04, 2015, 12:16:52 AM »
I found an interesting video by a man who claims that rockets should not work in space.
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Earth Not a Globe Workshop / Introduction Page - comments wanted
« on: September 03, 2015, 05:23:07 PM »
This is a draft of the introduction page.
Introduction
Welcome reader, to the 21st Century Edition of Earth Not a Globe. This is a living document based on the seminal teachings of the book Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham, an inquiry into the shape of the world written over 150 years ago. We invite you to join us on a free thinking adventure into the shape of the earth, the foundations of science, and the philosophy of truth.
We are the Flat Earth Society, a community of intellectuals who believe that the earth is flat. The earth is not the globe of popular credulity, but a vast plane of unknown extent. The earth is flat for many reasons and much evidence points towards this flatness. This book will explore the evidence, address the opposition, and discuss ramifications hereto.
Built on Ancient Greek theories, bankrolled by the misinformed and corrupt, the globular dogma has brainwashed nearly every man, woman and child on earth. The idea that the earth is round is accepted without question or hesitation, as if they were words from a higher power. The necessity of things like peer review are hardly considered. Even more troubling, it goes further than blind acceptance. Our society teaches that to question is to be ignorant. If you question a supposed truth, you are mocked. We live a world where “skeptics” of any subject are painted with disdain, where the President of the United States feels the need to insult the Flat Earth Society on national television for questioning the status quo.
The Flat Earth Society is a bastion of disobedience, a shining buoy of rebellion on a dark sea of compliance, a declaration that we must not blindly accept a truth without compelling evidence. We are skeptics, and rightly so. The role of the skeptic is to examine both the claims and the evidence, to expose any internal or external inconsistencies, and to prefer those conclusions that are more consistent with real-world facts than competing claims, rejecting any that are manifestly inconsistent with themselves and with the truth.
To accept blindly is to live in ignorance. To question the world around you is to be free. So we seek to question -- to endlessly question and question again -- to unravel the mysteries of reality for ourselves, allowing truth to be our compass and to follow it wherever it leads us.
The idea of a round earth is much more than just a shape. It is the cornerstone of western science, of our perception of the universe and of our own humanity. As we will demonstrate, a blow against the shape of the earth is a blow against everything, with far reaching consequences from the nature of the universe, down to the scientific method itself. The stakes are high and the reader is encouraged to weigh the subject matter with care.
Introduction
Welcome reader, to the 21st Century Edition of Earth Not a Globe. This is a living document based on the seminal teachings of the book Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham, an inquiry into the shape of the world written over 150 years ago. We invite you to join us on a free thinking adventure into the shape of the earth, the foundations of science, and the philosophy of truth.
We are the Flat Earth Society, a community of intellectuals who believe that the earth is flat. The earth is not the globe of popular credulity, but a vast plane of unknown extent. The earth is flat for many reasons and much evidence points towards this flatness. This book will explore the evidence, address the opposition, and discuss ramifications hereto.
Built on Ancient Greek theories, bankrolled by the misinformed and corrupt, the globular dogma has brainwashed nearly every man, woman and child on earth. The idea that the earth is round is accepted without question or hesitation, as if they were words from a higher power. The necessity of things like peer review are hardly considered. Even more troubling, it goes further than blind acceptance. Our society teaches that to question is to be ignorant. If you question a supposed truth, you are mocked. We live a world where “skeptics” of any subject are painted with disdain, where the President of the United States feels the need to insult the Flat Earth Society on national television for questioning the status quo.
The Flat Earth Society is a bastion of disobedience, a shining buoy of rebellion on a dark sea of compliance, a declaration that we must not blindly accept a truth without compelling evidence. We are skeptics, and rightly so. The role of the skeptic is to examine both the claims and the evidence, to expose any internal or external inconsistencies, and to prefer those conclusions that are more consistent with real-world facts than competing claims, rejecting any that are manifestly inconsistent with themselves and with the truth.
To accept blindly is to live in ignorance. To question the world around you is to be free. So we seek to question -- to endlessly question and question again -- to unravel the mysteries of reality for ourselves, allowing truth to be our compass and to follow it wherever it leads us.
The idea of a round earth is much more than just a shape. It is the cornerstone of western science, of our perception of the universe and of our own humanity. As we will demonstrate, a blow against the shape of the earth is a blow against everything, with far reaching consequences from the nature of the universe, down to the scientific method itself. The stakes are high and the reader is encouraged to weigh the subject matter with care.
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Flat Earth Community / NASA's Orion/Ares Program is Fake
« on: July 21, 2015, 03:00:40 AM »
In 2009 NASA made a test launch of the Ares 1-X, which was the upper stage of the multi-stage Ares launch vehicle.
Loot at the paint job of the rocket when it is low to the ground:
Compared to what the rocket looks like when it is up in space around a round earth:
Loot at the paint job of the rocket when it is low to the ground:
Compared to what the rocket looks like when it is up in space around a round earth:
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Science & Alternative Science / Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items
« on: July 09, 2015, 11:05:24 PM »
Disclaimer: This thread contains my own opinion on the possibility of cancer treatment with natural substances. Please consult a medical professional, such as a naturopathic doctor, before attempting to treat yourself or your loved ones for deadly diseases. Make sure to do a lot of research on the options available to you.
There are certain people in the world who will tell you that cancer is terrible and impossible to cure without hundreds of thousands of dollars of state of the art medical care. I am here to tell you that this is false. One does not need to consult an industry which profiteers off the backs of the dying. One merely needs to consult nature, which has already provided everything we need for our survival.
Natural remedies are the best remedies because humans and their natural food sources are in symbioses. Our fruits and vegetables depend on animals to spread their seeds through their feces, and will never deliberately hurt us. In fact, they have evolved to benefit us, as we benefit them, and make sure to feed us with an assortment of vitamins and nutrition as incentive.
We also have shared enemies with the plants, such as fungus, bacteria, and viruses. Plants will also get cancer, just like we do. It stands to reason, therefore, that anything a plant makes to repel those things will benefit us as well.
One such cure for cancer involves the usage of garlic and peppers, which will kill cancer cells. Consider this man, Kelley Eidem, author of The Doctor Who Cures Cancer, who cured his own Stage 4 Cancer in 2 weeks and $20:
How I Cured My Stage 4 Cancer In Two Weeks For Less Than The Cost Of A Night At The Movies
Here is his recipe from that link:
We also learn that this recipe can treat many types of cancer:
Edit: More evidence that Garlic Reverses Cancer
http://truedemocracyparty.net/2013/11/garlic-the-natural-cure-8-scientific-studies-that-prove-garlic-kills-cancer-dead-dead-dead/
http://www.miracleofgarlic.com/cancer-and-garlic/
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9707/21/nfm.garlic.cancer/index.html
More Animal Studies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3632025/
Garlic as compared to the chemotherapy drug Cisplatin for treating cancer:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29595070
The one above says that garlic is just as good as a popular chemotherapy drug, but without the side effects.
Humans:
https://books.google.com/books?id=t22vBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA244&ots=SQEqINl0gT&dq=allicin%20cured%20cancer%20in%20mice&pg=PA245#v=onepage&q&f=false
...
Garlic tested on mammalian cancer cells, including human:
The Effects of Allicin, a Reactive Sulfur Species from
Garlic, on a Selection of Mammalian Cell Lines
Are the above researchers lying?
We saw that Garlic performed similarly to a popular chemotherapy drug. Were those researchers lying or mistaken?
Garlic suppresses cancer in humans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16484573
There are certain people in the world who will tell you that cancer is terrible and impossible to cure without hundreds of thousands of dollars of state of the art medical care. I am here to tell you that this is false. One does not need to consult an industry which profiteers off the backs of the dying. One merely needs to consult nature, which has already provided everything we need for our survival.
Natural remedies are the best remedies because humans and their natural food sources are in symbioses. Our fruits and vegetables depend on animals to spread their seeds through their feces, and will never deliberately hurt us. In fact, they have evolved to benefit us, as we benefit them, and make sure to feed us with an assortment of vitamins and nutrition as incentive.
We also have shared enemies with the plants, such as fungus, bacteria, and viruses. Plants will also get cancer, just like we do. It stands to reason, therefore, that anything a plant makes to repel those things will benefit us as well.
One such cure for cancer involves the usage of garlic and peppers, which will kill cancer cells. Consider this man, Kelley Eidem, author of The Doctor Who Cures Cancer, who cured his own Stage 4 Cancer in 2 weeks and $20:
How I Cured My Stage 4 Cancer In Two Weeks For Less Than The Cost Of A Night At The Movies
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For several decades, modern medicine has tried a lot of toxic compounds, hoping to 'out-toxic' the cancer. And sure enough, the compounds did out-toxic cancer. Unfortunately, it usually out-toxics the patient as well. The result has been that cancer treatments are usually an expensive, painful and scary proposition. But you already knew that.
I didn't go bald or get sick to my stomach!
Fortunately, my Stage 4 cancer was none of the above for me. My advanced cancer treatment cost less than two tickets and popcorn at the movies. My treatment wasn't painful. And I wasn't scared...I didn't lose a minute's sleep...because I knew what to do. If we've learned anything about treating cancer in the last 50 to 60 years it has to be this: half killing the patient isn't half way successful. As I emphatically told a woman in my store recently, "You gotta be healthy to get well! In my own case, I knew by the many lesions I had that I was already sick. I didn't need someone to help make me sicker. I needed to get healthy, so I could get well.
UCLA Researchers Confirm My Method!
Maybe the best place to start with this would be to let you know that researchers at UCLA garnered lots of headlines two years ago because they had done something pretty incredible. (1) What had the UCLA researchers done? They shrank tumors by 80% with the heat from habaneros peppers. That is quite extraordinary in terms of what is usually accomplished with toxic drugs.
It's also worth noting that in the US the State of New Mexico has the lowest cancer mortality rate of all 50 states. They probably eat more peppers in New Mexico per capita than all the other states, too. In other words, the researchers at UCLA made a great choice in examining the anti-cancer properties of hot peppers.
My own success in curing myself with habaneros peppers preceded the UCLA researchers by seven years. And I didn't shrink my many tumors by 80%...I shrank them 100%. UCLA's research results did confirm that my own method was an extremely powerful weapon against cancer. I'm eternally grateful for their confirmation. But then, I used habaneros peppers PLUS two more low tech ingredients...running rings around the findings made by the UCLA guys and gals.
Here is his recipe from that link:
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Here's a real brief recipe list here.
(1) Grate one habanero pepper each day, putting it on bread. Yes, you use the seeds. (2) Grate two cloves of garlic each day, putting them on bread and covering with butter. (3) One tablespoon of Emulsified cod liver oil once or twice each day.* TwinLabs makes some wonderfully flavored cod liver oil.
The cod liver oil is not put on the sandwich. One serving of the oil may be taken before or after eating the sandwich with the same meal
I used the cod liver oil because I was not losing any weight or dealing with fluid retention. If I had either of those conditions, I would have used evening primrose oil or borage oil instead of the emulsified cod liver oil, taking 6,000 mgs a day in divided doses.*
(4) Smother the grated garlic and habaneros peppers with real butter and eat it. Organic or raw butter is best. No margarines of any type, including Smart Balance, etc.
If hot peppers didn't agree with me, then ginger is what I would use - and yes I trust the ginger just as much as the habanero to do the job.
That's it!
* The best way to determine which oil I would use can be determined easily if there is pain. In fact there are two ways. One way would be to drink a cup of black coffee with two boiled eggs. (boiled only.) If that made me feel worse, I'd take 1 or 2 tablespoons of emulsified cod liver oil. If the coffee and eggs made me feel better, I'd take 6,000 mgs of borage oil or evening primrose oil.
The potent active ingredients from the peppers and the garlic disperse quickly. So they must be grated each day, and eaten immediately.
We also learn that this recipe can treat many types of cancer:
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1AA - Has your recipe cured my type of cancer?
I have some great news for you. Doctors and TV have miseducated us into thinking there are over 100 types of cancer. There is only one true cancer cell. That means all true cancer cells are identical. They look different only due to the involved tissue.
Doctors call true cancer cells "highly undifferentiated." IOW, they are looking at a real cancer cell but don't know it because in their mind they think it is supposed to look different!
So you can take heart when you read about any of the accounts here. A colon cancer is a breast cancer is a leukemia etc, etc, etc. There is no difference between any of those cancers other than the involved non cancerous tissue and the surrounding pH. Yes, the cancer cells will distort the way the particular tissue or organ looks like. But the cancer is the same.
The Stage numbers given to cancer (I, II, III, IV) are merely describing how much cancer there is and how far it has spread. Staging doesn't change the nature of the actual cancer cells on iota - there are just more of them.
Edit: More evidence that Garlic Reverses Cancer
http://truedemocracyparty.net/2013/11/garlic-the-natural-cure-8-scientific-studies-that-prove-garlic-kills-cancer-dead-dead-dead/
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In Dr. Earl Mindell’s Garlic: The Miracle Nutrient, a 1957 study in the journal Science reported that researchers incubated sarcoma tumor cells with the garlic compound Allinase and S-ethyl-L-cysteine sulfoxide, then injected the tumor cells into mice. Tumor growth was completely inhibited and the mice survived beyond the sixth month observation period according to researchers. Mice injected with the tumor cells only (without the garlic compound), survived only 2 months.
http://www.miracleofgarlic.com/cancer-and-garlic/
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The good news is research into garlic against cancer has shown positive results. In laboratory tests with mice, garlic stabilized and actually shrunk tumors. In mice injected with garlic extracts, tumor growth decreased by 30-50%. In mice that were given dietary garlic, the growths decreased by 10-25%.
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9707/21/nfm.garlic.cancer/index.html
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One study, at the Mercy Cancer Institute in Pittsburgh, shows that garlic can help slow the growth of tumors.
"We have shown that some of these compounds prevent cancer in animals, and we hope that's the case in humans," said Shivendra Singh of the institute.
"We know how these garlic compounds are inhibiting cancer, but whether or not they have some kind of specificity for certain types of tumors, that remains to be seen," he said.
Other studies, some of them at West Virginia University, have found that garlic can inhibit the growth of breast cancer.
Also, says Dr. Donald Lamm of West Virginia University, "garlic very significantly reduced the growth of bladder tumors in mice."
Researchers at the university think garlic may help boost the immune system in laboratory mice, thereby reducing the growth of cancerous cells.
More Animal Studies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3632025/
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Conclusions:
Administration of AGE (aged garlic extract ) resulted in improved immune responses against experimentally implanted fibrosarcoma tumors in BALB/c mice. AGE showed significant effects on inhibition of tumor growth and longevity of survival times.
Garlic as compared to the chemotherapy drug Cisplatin for treating cancer:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29595070
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The Anticancer Effects of Garlic Extracts on Bladder Cancer Compared to Cisplatin
Abstract
Although garlic induces apoptosis in cancer cells, it is unclear whether the effects are similar to those of cisplatin against bladder cancer (BC). Therefore, this study investigated whether garlic extracts and cisplatin show similar activity when used to treat BC. The effect of garlic on T24 BC cell line was examined in a BALB/C-nude mouse xenograft model and compared with that of cisplatin. Tissue microarray analysis and gene network analysis were performed to identify differences in gene expression by control tumors and tumors exposed to garlic extract or cisplatin. Investigation of gene expression based on tissues from 165 BC patients and normal controls was then performed to identify common targets of garlic and cisplatin. Tumor volume and tumor weight in cisplatin (0.05[Formula: see text]mg/kg)- and garlic-treated mice were significantly smaller than those in negative control mice. However, cisplatin-treated mice also showed a significant reduction in body weight. Microarray analysis of tumor tissue identified 515 common anticancer genes in the garlic and cisplatin groups ([Formula: see text]). Gene network analysis of 252 of these genes using the Cytoscape and ClueGo software packages mapped 17 genes and 9 gene ontologies to gene networks. BC (NMIBC and MIBC) patients with low expression of centromere protein M (CENPM) showed significantly better progression-free survival than those with high expression. Garlic extract shows anticancer activity in vivo similar to that of cisplatin, with no evidence of side effects. Both appear to act by targeting protein-DNA complex assembly; in particular, expression of CENPM.
The one above says that garlic is just as good as a popular chemotherapy drug, but without the side effects.
Humans:
https://books.google.com/books?id=t22vBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA244&ots=SQEqINl0gT&dq=allicin%20cured%20cancer%20in%20mice&pg=PA245#v=onepage&q&f=false
...
Garlic tested on mammalian cancer cells, including human:
The Effects of Allicin, a Reactive Sulfur Species from
Garlic, on a Selection of Mammalian Cell Lines
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2.1. Cell Lines and Cultivation
Cell lines: A549 (human alveolar basal epithelial adenocarcinoma cell, ATCC#CCL-185), NIH 3T3
(neonatal fibroblasts from Mouse, ATCC#CRL-1658) HUVEC (human umbilical vein endothelial cells),
HT29 (human colorectal epithelial carcinoma, ATCC#HTB-38) and MCF7 (human mammary carcinoma,
ATCC#HTB-22) were from the Department of Immunology, Cochin Hospital, Paris Descartes
University, Paris, France. Cells were cultivated in complete medium containing RPMI Medium
(Roswell Park Memorial Institute Medium, Invitrogen) containing 10% FCS (foetal calf serum) and
1% Penicillin/Streptomycin (10,000 U/mL) (Invitrogen, Waltham, MA, USA). Cells were incubated at
37 C and 5% CO2.
...
These data show that allicin is an inhibitor of cell viability and cell proliferation in a concentration
dependent manner, but that different cell lines show different sensitivities.
Are the above researchers lying?
We saw that Garlic performed similarly to a popular chemotherapy drug. Were those researchers lying or mistaken?
Garlic suppresses cancer in humans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16484573
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Aged garlic extract has potential suppressive effect on colorectal adenomas in humans.
Tanaka S1, Haruma K, Yoshihara M, Kajiyama G, Kira K, Amagase H, Chayama K.
Abstract
Epidemiological and animal studies suggest AGE and its organosulfur constituents, such as S-allylcysteine and S-allylmercaptocysteine have anticarcinogenic effects. To confirm these effects in humans, a preliminary double-blind, randomized clinical trial using high-dose AGE (AGE 2.4 mL/d) as an active treatment and low-dose AGE (AGE 0.16 mL/d) as a control was performed on patients with colorectal adenomas-precancerous lesions of the large bowel. The study enrolled 51 patients who were diagnosed as carrying colorectal adenomas. The patients were randomly assigned to the two groups after adenomas larger than 5 mm in diameter were removed by polypectomy. The number and size of adenomas right before intake (0 mo) and at 6 and 12 mo after intake were measured using colonoscopy. Thirty-seven patients (19 in the active group, 18 in the control group) completed the study and were evaluated for the efficacy of AGE. The number of adenomas increased linearly in the control group from the beginning (the baseline), but AGE significantly suppressed both the size and number of colon adenomas in patients after 12 mo of high-dose treatment (P=0.04). The results suggest AGE suppresses progression of colorectal adenomas in humans. It appears that AGE has multiple pathways to reduce cancer incidence and suppress its growth and proliferation.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Is Satan really all that bad?
« on: July 07, 2015, 08:13:03 PM »
Has Satan really done that much evil? Turning into a snake and convincing people to take part in shenanigans doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. In the Bible Satan questions the status quo of an unquestionable tyrant, and is cast out into exile for his dissent.
In fact, Satan appears to be God's right-hand man behind the scenes that helps scope out the malevolent. Furthermore, it appears from the Bible that God is the questionable one. In the Bible God is responsible for the killing the first born of Egypt as a show of strength (Exodus_12:29), an untold number of Israelites for complaining against God (Numbers_11:1), and murdering a king who sought medical advice from a rival God (Kings_1:16).
What evil has Satan wrought in comparison?
In fact, Satan appears to be God's right-hand man behind the scenes that helps scope out the malevolent. Furthermore, it appears from the Bible that God is the questionable one. In the Bible God is responsible for the killing the first born of Egypt as a show of strength (Exodus_12:29), an untold number of Israelites for complaining against God (Numbers_11:1), and murdering a king who sought medical advice from a rival God (Kings_1:16).
What evil has Satan wrought in comparison?
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Flat Earth Community / NASA owes us an apology for Werner Von Braun
« on: June 06, 2015, 03:27:33 AM »
I am leading a campaign to demand a public apology from NASA for harboring the Nazi War Criminal Werner Von Braun. During the war he was a colonel in the SS and directly oversaw the slave labor camps which built the V2 ballistic rockets. Von braun was also a personal acquaintance of Hitler.
After the war Von Braun was brought to the US he was made director of the Marshall Space Flight Center and served as the chief architect of the Saturn V launch vehicle. His history was whitewashed and it is claimed he either that he knew nothing of the atrocities committed at Dora and Mittelwerk or that he was powerless to stop it. He is portrayed in his NASA biography as a jolly scientist who resented the Nazis, was apolitical, and was only pursuing his life-long interest in rocketry.
This is, in fact, false.
A survivor's account from Wernher von Braun, the SS, and Concentration Camp Labor: Questions of Moral, Political, and Criminal Responsibility:
A quote from an article called The Rocket Man’s Dark Side, published by TIME:
The above pieces are well researched and paint a bleak picture of Von Braun. Why couldn't NASA have taken the high road and focused on its own rocket scientists? Werner Von Braun should have been put in prison and sentenced to death as a war criminal, not made a director of NASA.
After the war Von Braun was brought to the US he was made director of the Marshall Space Flight Center and served as the chief architect of the Saturn V launch vehicle. His history was whitewashed and it is claimed he either that he knew nothing of the atrocities committed at Dora and Mittelwerk or that he was powerless to stop it. He is portrayed in his NASA biography as a jolly scientist who resented the Nazis, was apolitical, and was only pursuing his life-long interest in rocketry.
This is, in fact, false.
A survivor's account from Wernher von Braun, the SS, and Concentration Camp Labor: Questions of Moral, Political, and Criminal Responsibility:
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Like the good Nazi he was, he immediately started shouting that it was
sabotage, when just at that point VON BRAUN arrived accompanied by
his usual group of people. Without even listening to my explanations, he
ordered the Meister to have me given 25 strokes in his presence by an SS
[man] who was there. Then judging the strokes weren't sufficiently hard,
he ordered that I be flogged more vigorously, and this order was then
diligently carried out, which caused much hilarity in the group, and
following this flogging, VON BRAUN made me translate that I deserved
much more, that in fact I deserved to be hanged, which certainly would be
the fate of the "Mensch" (good-for nothing) I was.
A quote from an article called The Rocket Man’s Dark Side, published by TIME:
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Indeed, some 20,000 died at Dora, from illness, beatings, hangings and intolerable working conditions. Workers, scantily clad, were forced to stand at attention in the biting cold during roll calls that went on for hours. Average survival time in the unventilated paint shop was one month. One prisoner told of being bitten on his legs by guard dogs. Presumably to test the effectiveness of a new medication, one of his legs was treated, the other allowed to fester and deteriorate.
For reasons best known to von Braun, who held the rank of colonel in the dreaded Nazi SS, the prisoners were ordered to turn their backs whenever he came into view. Those caught stealing glances at him were hung. One survivor recalled that von Braun, after inspecting a rocket component, charged, "That is clear sabotage." His unquestioned judgment resulted in eleven men being hanged on the spot. Says Gehrels, "von Braun was directly involved in hangings."
Hangings were commonplace, and Dora inmates remember von Braun arriving in the morning with an unidentified woman, having to step between bodies of dead prisoners and under others still hanging from a crane. These were not ordinary hangings, Gehrels says, "not hanging that breaks the neck of the prisoner, but they were slowly choked to death with a kind of baling wire around their neck."
The above pieces are well researched and paint a bleak picture of Von Braun. Why couldn't NASA have taken the high road and focused on its own rocket scientists? Werner Von Braun should have been put in prison and sentenced to death as a war criminal, not made a director of NASA.
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Suggestions & Concerns / Place to upload files
« on: May 29, 2015, 10:36:11 PM »
For the Wiki and ENAG book projects it would be nice if we could host files. I would like to have a place where I can store pictures and videos without fear of it going missing.
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Earth Not a Globe Workshop / The Conspiracy Chapter Notes
« on: May 26, 2015, 12:52:27 AM »
Here I will collect notes which I will later use for the Conspiracy chapter. Here is a post I made today:
Remember that space travel was birthed from the space race. America's main desire to get into earth orbit was so that they could send rockets up there and threaten the world into submission with ICBMs.
The US attempted and failed at building a rocket capable of getting into earth orbit for a long time. When Russia started claiming that they could send rockets into orbit, America's only choice was to claim that they could as well. After WWII America emerged as the world's biggest superpower. Do you really think 1950's America, a rich and paranoid government of the atomic era, would let an aggressor like Russia hold the hand of God over on them with ICBMs?
An entirely new, never before seen technology which does something physically impossible is something that all the money and power in the world simply cannot buy. America already had rockets that could launch up into the air until they were out of sight, and come back down unseen and the government did not shy away from deception.
Consider the secret war of the Vietnam era in which the public and Congress were systematically lied to about the scale of the war and reckless disregard for civilian casualties for over 20 years between 1945 to 1967. The Secret War was administrated by the Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson administration, the same people who were in charge around the time when NASA started making all of its fantastic claims.
From the wiki link --QuotePresident Johnson had decided to expand the war while promising "we seek no wider war" during his 1964 presidential campaign,[8] including plans to bomb North Vietnam well before the 1964 Election. President Johnson had been outspoken against doing so during the election and claimed that his opponent Barry Goldwater was the one that wanted to bomb North Vietnam.
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Suggestions & Concerns / Reorganizing The Zetetic Council: Yay or Nay
« on: April 12, 2015, 09:38:35 PM »
We are looking for a decision on this idea to reorganize the Zetetic Council with this proposal I made on the on the ZC forum. It was felt by some that we need a decision from the community before making such drastic changes.
Please respond with Yay or Nay and any comments. A decision will be made in 1 week.
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I've been kicking ideas around in my head for how we can make the Zetetic Council better. I had a few ideas. My conclusion is as follows:1. We open up Flat Earth Society membership to all who want it. As a member of the Flat Earth Society your name goes onto a roster, you agree to fight globularist heresy in all its forms, and you will receive a certificate reflecting this (virtual or printed TBD).
2. As a official member of the Flat Earth Society you receive standing recognition and access to in the Zetetic Council Board
3. Zeteic Council members are elected and are tasked with creating and putting proposals to a vote. Zetetic Council members provide organizational guidance, but are not considered the workhorses.
4. Official members of the Flat Earth Society vote and comment on the proposals, and in doing so self motivate themselves to begin the project and see it to completion.
We may want to rename the Zetetic Council Board to another name, but I believe this idea has a lot of merit. I welcome comments on this idea.
Please respond with Yay or Nay and any comments. A decision will be made in 1 week.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / You are older than you think you are
« on: March 14, 2015, 09:23:12 PM »
Consider a number line:
When you turn two years old, at the 2 mark, you have already lived two complete years of life. You are not entering your second year of life, but your third. How could it be said that you just turned 2 when you have already lived 2 full years of life? When you are 3, you are actually entering your fourth year, and so on. Therefore your belief that you are entering your 27th year of life on your 27th birthday is inaccurate. You have already lived 27 years of life and have just entered your 28th year.
When you turn two years old, at the 2 mark, you have already lived two complete years of life. You are not entering your second year of life, but your third. How could it be said that you just turned 2 when you have already lived 2 full years of life? When you are 3, you are actually entering your fourth year, and so on. Therefore your belief that you are entering your 27th year of life on your 27th birthday is inaccurate. You have already lived 27 years of life and have just entered your 28th year.
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Flat Earth Community / Why do the sun and moon appear to be the same size in RET?
« on: February 27, 2015, 07:35:48 AM »
Here is a new one. During a Solar Eclipse the body of the moon perfectly covers the sun. It is remarkable. They are the same size. Is it just some kind of astonishing coincidence that a body over four million times larger than the moon happens to be located at just the right spot that the sun and moon are identical in size, each with a diameter of 0.5 degrees of the sky?
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Flat Earth Community / No Transmission Delays to the Moon
« on: February 24, 2015, 11:10:05 AM »
How does Round Earth Theory explain the fact that the astronauts on the moon were communicating with Huston faster than the speed of light?
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Earth Not a Globe Workshop / School Outreach Project
« on: February 11, 2015, 10:36:11 PM »
Occasionally teachers will use the Flat Earth Society to show an example of scientific fallacy, or the unprovability of theories, sometimes playing the part of a Flat Earther and challenging the class to prove him or her wrong.
What if we reached out to classrooms and offered to answer their questions directly? Children would write in and we would take the time to respond to then with detailed answers. It would really get them thinking of ways to beat us. The teacher can use it as an opportunity to have discussions about earth science, astronomy, the scientific method, historical figures, or simply a fun "write to the Flat Earth Society and ask them a question/prove them wrong" exercise. I'm sure at least one teacher out there would be interested in something like that. The answers we write can be put into the Earth Not a Globe book and an announcement can be made on the front page.
What if we reached out to classrooms and offered to answer their questions directly? Children would write in and we would take the time to respond to then with detailed answers. It would really get them thinking of ways to beat us. The teacher can use it as an opportunity to have discussions about earth science, astronomy, the scientific method, historical figures, or simply a fun "write to the Flat Earth Society and ask them a question/prove them wrong" exercise. I'm sure at least one teacher out there would be interested in something like that. The answers we write can be put into the Earth Not a Globe book and an announcement can be made on the front page.
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Earth Not a Globe Workshop / Lets agree on a chapter format
« on: February 08, 2015, 09:22:16 PM »
This is a repost from another thread, posted here for consideration. Ideally this book should be split into four volumes, each containing chapters within the subject-matter:
Volume I: Introduction
This section should be an introduction to FET, a history of RET, and discuss Zetetic vs. Theoretic
Volume II: Terra Firma
This volume and the chapters within it deals with phenomena within the atmosphere of the earth.
Volume III: The Cosmos
This volume and the chapter within it deals with phenomena outside the atmosphere of the earth.
Volume IV: The Conspiracy
This volume and the chapters within it deals specifically with the Conspiracy.
Each chapter within a volume should have the following sections:
Background: This section provides a background on the topic. It should be assumed that the reader knows nothing about earth science and needs to be brought up to speed on what the RET theory states before launching into FET.
Theory: The next section in the chapter should deal with the current theory.
Q&A: After the theory is explained in each chapter, questions and challenges should be asked (perhaps provided by RE'ers on this forum). Under the chapter for the sun, for example, once its place is described and defined in FET under the theory section we can list a series of italicized questions such as "Why doesn't the sun change size over the course of the day?" and "What causes its movement?" We can then list the questions in the glossary for people to reference.
Footnotes: A list of references for resources used in the chapter. They should be marked with superscript 1, 2, 3, or otherwise in brackets [1] if superscript formatting is not available.
Volume I: Introduction
This section should be an introduction to FET, a history of RET, and discuss Zetetic vs. Theoretic
Volume II: Terra Firma
This volume and the chapters within it deals with phenomena within the atmosphere of the earth.
Volume III: The Cosmos
This volume and the chapter within it deals with phenomena outside the atmosphere of the earth.
Volume IV: The Conspiracy
This volume and the chapters within it deals specifically with the Conspiracy.
Each chapter within a volume should have the following sections:
Background: This section provides a background on the topic. It should be assumed that the reader knows nothing about earth science and needs to be brought up to speed on what the RET theory states before launching into FET.
Theory: The next section in the chapter should deal with the current theory.
Q&A: After the theory is explained in each chapter, questions and challenges should be asked (perhaps provided by RE'ers on this forum). Under the chapter for the sun, for example, once its place is described and defined in FET under the theory section we can list a series of italicized questions such as "Why doesn't the sun change size over the course of the day?" and "What causes its movement?" We can then list the questions in the glossary for people to reference.
Footnotes: A list of references for resources used in the chapter. They should be marked with superscript 1, 2, 3, or otherwise in brackets [1] if superscript formatting is not available.
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Flat Earth Community / theflatearthsociety.net
« on: January 22, 2015, 03:01:45 AM »
http://theflatearthsociety.net
Apparently John Davis has proclaimed himself to be the American Flat Earth Society President.
I haven't seen this before. Is this supposed to be part of his book?
Apparently John Davis has proclaimed himself to be the American Flat Earth Society President.
I haven't seen this before. Is this supposed to be part of his book?
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Flat Earth Community / Fundraising Idea: Task-Based Micro Payments
« on: January 14, 2015, 11:21:53 PM »
I was thinking how we would go about fundraising for a big project like the one pongo posted on the other forum. He wants to organize a $4 Million Dollar expedition to Antarctica.
As one of my personal hobbies, I operate a small marketing company. We specialize in providing innovative ways for websites to collect micropayments for their content. The dream in the idea of micropayments has always been for content creators on the internet to collect a small sum of money (ie. $0.10, $0.25, or $1) in exchange for viewing or downloading their content. Unfortunately in practice this has never really worked out for two reasons:
This is where my marketing company comes in. Instead of charging money, we provide a way for website owners to put a popup gateway on their links so that when a user visits a page or attempts to download a file they are given the option of either paying a small fee or completing a non-intrusive offer to access the material. This offer takes between 10 seconds and one minute to complete. Examples of offers are:
We have hundreds of such offers in our database. The pop up would give users a choice to select which offer they are most interested in. They are usually given a choice of 7 to 10 offers to select from. In exchange for their time they receive the content and the hosting website gets the money (usually around $1 an offer, or even more). Users do not actually have to buy anything on the following pages of that offer for parent website to get paid. Payment is issued to the website as soon as the fields on the first page of the offer are filled out.
Now how can we use this tool for our benefit?
Using such a tool, we can provide an alternative way for users to donate towards science experiments and expeditions. Here are a few examples for how we could use something like this:
There might be other ideas we can use this with as well. I'm not necessarily saying that we should go for the $4 Million Dollar Antarctica trip, but that it might be a feasible way to raise money in general for the various projects we want to work on. Until we have funds a lot of these things are merely pipe dreams. The goal for using this tool would be to balance intrusiveness and fundraising.
As one of my personal hobbies, I operate a small marketing company. We specialize in providing innovative ways for websites to collect micropayments for their content. The dream in the idea of micropayments has always been for content creators on the internet to collect a small sum of money (ie. $0.10, $0.25, or $1) in exchange for viewing or downloading their content. Unfortunately in practice this has never really worked out for two reasons:
- 1. Banks almost universally charge a minimum transfer fee which does not lend well to very small transactions. Banks that charge a flat percentage are hard to find.
2. People are not really willing to pay money for content. It's a turnoff on the web.
This is where my marketing company comes in. Instead of charging money, we provide a way for website owners to put a popup gateway on their links so that when a user visits a page or attempts to download a file they are given the option of either paying a small fee or completing a non-intrusive offer to access the material. This offer takes between 10 seconds and one minute to complete. Examples of offers are:
- - Provide your email address for a Free $10 KFC Gift Card
- Complete a Back to School Survey
- Enter to win a trip to Disneyworld
- Register an account on a Clash of Kings web strategy game
- Provide your zip code to receive a Free Box of Cheerios
We have hundreds of such offers in our database. The pop up would give users a choice to select which offer they are most interested in. They are usually given a choice of 7 to 10 offers to select from. In exchange for their time they receive the content and the hosting website gets the money (usually around $1 an offer, or even more). Users do not actually have to buy anything on the following pages of that offer for parent website to get paid. Payment is issued to the website as soon as the fields on the first page of the offer are filled out.
Now how can we use this tool for our benefit?
Using such a tool, we can provide an alternative way for users to donate towards science experiments and expeditions. Here are a few examples for how we could use something like this:
- - We can create a kickstarter-type page and ask for donations, with the option of completing a 10 second offer on the lowest tier. This would attract passerbies who might want to put in some sort of minimal effort in appreciation or curiosity, but don't want to contribute cash money.
- We might integrate the code into the New Post button on a certain forum, in order to provide a barrier to, say, ask a question to the Flat Earthers. If we had a dollar for every question that got posted to us over the years, we would be rich. When making a post a pop up would come up and kindly explain that our time is valuable to us, the tasks take only seconds to complete, and that proceeds will go towards an expedition to Antarctica (or whatever the current project is).
- A timer could be set so that once every 3 days visitors are asked to complete an offer for continued access to the forum. Although, some may take issue with this.
There might be other ideas we can use this with as well. I'm not necessarily saying that we should go for the $4 Million Dollar Antarctica trip, but that it might be a feasible way to raise money in general for the various projects we want to work on. Until we have funds a lot of these things are merely pipe dreams. The goal for using this tool would be to balance intrusiveness and fundraising.