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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 19, 2019, 05:39:57 PM »
I'm not the one questioning whether refraction exists or not.  I am simply telling iamcpc that I have been familiar with what I recognise as the refraction of light for over 40 years so I don't understand his need to question whether refraction exists or not. If it doesn't then perhaps he could explain to me how refracting telescopes work.

I believe my comment was directed more toward iamcpc, since they were the ones to argue that it is impossible to know something 100%. I don't know that I am not the only conscious being, but that doesn't stop me from making friends and having meaningful relationships, for instance. So claiming that you can't know something for absolute sure is no argument for or against anything.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 19, 2019, 04:35:48 PM »
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First off I don't know that it exists. It's impossible to know something is 100% true.

So what criteria or conditions need to exist then for you to say you actually know something?  The fact that I have been using refracting telescopes which rely on the concept known as refraction of light to work gives me a clue about its existence.

Philosophy is no place for pedantry..... philosophically there is no way to "know" anything. Practically, we do know things, and we must live our lives based on this knowledge or you will just live in a black box.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 19, 2019, 02:16:21 PM »
If you are asking for FET evidence that the earth is flat, a good place to start would be the wiki in this site.

If you are asking what motives bring people to believe that the earth is flat despite overwhelming evidence against it, I could think of at least two:
- Religious convictions. Some passages of the Bible seem to suggest that the earth is flat or fixed to a position.
- Appeal of conspiracy theories. That would be the psychological explanation.


Kindly quote the verse or the chapter where the Earth is mentioned to be flat in the Bible. Nowhere has it mentioned that the Earth is flat.
He has not written the Bible mentioned the Earth is flat.

He wrote the Bible seemed to "suggest," the Earth is flat.

Well, where does the bible seem to suggest the earth is flat?

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Got the AD bind happening automatically as a post-install script. kickstart writes the 'realm join' command to the rc.local and makes is executable.

Phase 1 of the project is complete.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 15, 2019, 02:15:25 PM »
Our Glorious business minded leader has begun to fuck us up.


Dow Tumbles More Than 600 Points As Bond Markets Signal Recession https://n.pr/2KPut1h

As evidence, he backs up on some of his Tariffs until right before Christmas, ya know, cause the stocks dropped like a god damn rock, partly due to him.

I hate myself for hoping the economy tanks before the next election... but that's where I am now.  Any fucking thing that helps get him out.
Many people have now adopted this stance, so you are not alone.

Somehow I don't think Trump's base would be swayed if the economy collapsed. They'd just blame it on Obama and Clinton.
Well, at some point everything will collapse, of that there is no doubt.

But it has been that way over and over and over again.

And then, right back to the ways demonstrably proven to cause collapse all over again.

Sure, history repeats itself... We had pharaoh, hitler, stalin, trump....

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 15, 2019, 12:28:15 PM »
Our Glorious business minded leader has begun to fuck us up.


Dow Tumbles More Than 600 Points As Bond Markets Signal Recession https://n.pr/2KPut1h

As evidence, he backs up on some of his Tariffs until right before Christmas, ya know, cause the stocks dropped like a god damn rock, partly due to him.

I hate myself for hoping the economy tanks before the next election... but that's where I am now.  Any fucking thing that helps get him out.
Many people have now adopted this stance, so you are not alone.

Somehow I don't think Trump's base would be swayed if the economy collapsed. They'd just blame it on Obama and Clinton.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 13, 2019, 07:24:56 PM »
God I'm so glad this is absolutely not true, otherwise every time I wake up to sleep paralysis and see some crazy shit it would turn out to be real.
I think totallackey said that your senses are the only thing that is real, not everything you sense is real.

OK - now the philosophical discussion of what "real" is.....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 13, 2019, 03:45:05 PM »
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: our senses are not proof of anything.
I am of the opinion our senses are the only thing that is real.

After that, it then becomes one of subjective interpretation of what exactly was sensed.

How can you prove your senses are real if you can only subjectively interpret them?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 13, 2019, 01:55:43 PM »
Well, considering you have admitted the actual heliocentricity of the so-called solar system is, in fact, not proven...I think the "pretty good idea," is, in fact," more accurately described as "imagination."

What would you say has been proven in your FE model, and how was it proven?
I would say it is demonstrably proven that humanity, while living a normal, day-to-day life, does not witness any curvature of the earth.
Agreed. In the same way that, while living a normal, day-to-day life, we don't see bacteria.
That doesn't mean bacteria don't exist. It just means our senses are limited and are not sufficient on their own to determine the nature of reality.
But we do have other ways of determining reality. This image illustrates the folly of looking at a horizon, not seeing any curve and making conclusions about the shape of the earth:



I've said it before, and I'll say it again: our senses are not proof of anything.

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As an update to the project:

I setup an NFS server which hosts a kickstart file and the installation source files. I created a custom boot image using genisoimage, stipped out all the packages and slimmed up the grub menu, and added the directive to the kickstart file. This will be my litetouch installer.

So far it is working as expected. Next I am figuring out how to automate Active Directory binding with realm. Getting it bound to AD is not the problem, getting it built-in to the kickstart file is the problem, but I'm close.

Once this is finalized and working, I can implement a package manager to add software to the clients as needed. The final step will be to implement PXE, which I found out should be possible (in our environment) as long as I can get all the clients registered on the same subnet - this is way down the road.

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Well, if you guys got your shit together on healthcare you could lengthen that lifespan too.

There are more reasons than just shitty healthcare contributing to the unhealthy status is this nation. This is where culture comes into play. How many Americans' primary diet comes from fast food? How many Americans sit on their asses not doing much more than engaging in vicarious activity? Stress is also a factor, but I can't speak to the differences of stress from one place to another except for the difference of rural vs urban or industrialized vs pre-industrialized. Urban and industrial areas will experience more stress on average - anthropological studies will show.

Yeah, although ideally, and people are starting to adopt this, the best healthcare is preventative. It would be great if we had more dieticians, masseuses, etc... and people took advantage of them. Imagine if personal trainers could be covered by insurance? Exercise, diet and rest are the best defenses against stress.

Agreed. I'd add more to this, but I feel like it's getting off topic....

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Well, if you guys got your shit together on healthcare you could lengthen that lifespan too.

There are more reasons than just shitty healthcare contributing to the unhealthy status is this nation. This is where culture comes into play. How many Americans' primary diet comes from fast food? How many Americans sit on their asses not doing much more than engaging in vicarious activity? Stress is also a factor, but I can't speak to the differences of stress from one place to another except for the difference of rural vs urban or industrialized vs pre-industrialized. Urban and industrial areas will experience more stress on average - anthropological studies will show.

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So then what’s the plan on the budget after you massively slash revenue? Or would the new consumption tax be higher than the mean sales tax in order to try and offset?

Consumption tax would have to be much higher. Ultimately you'd have to match the income tax in other areas, but people would be free to choose where to spend that 30% rather than just fork it up to government who then decides what to spend it on.

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I believe in no taxation of production and strictly a tax on consumption.

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I like this idea. I also think lowering or completely removing income tax would be good. It would put the power of spending back in the consumers hands. Of course, you'd have to increase taxes on consumables as lackey said, and this would have to be a very high tax. This would do two things:

1. Increase spending power and enable people to decide whether or not the 30% or more of extra income should go to consumables, invested, or saved.
2. Reduce overall consumption since consumable items would be more expensive. This country could stand to reduce consumption by magnitudes. Hell, the amount food wasted each day could easily feed a starving country.

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Wouldn't it be better to take out guns of both sides of the equation?
Sure, black market blah blah blah but personally I'd have no idea how to get a gun in the UK even if I wanted to. Partly because I don't mix in "those circles" but while something being illegal doesn't mean it isn't available, it's obviously going to be harder and more expensive to get a gun if they're illegal.

The fact you say you would "have no idea how to get a gun" is why it is a bad idea to convert the legal market into a black market. Just because YOU don't know how to get a gun, doesn't mean criminals won't. That is my whole point in the black market argument and relation to the prohibition of drugs - it simply won't work the way you expect. Drugs are harder and more expensive to get, but drug users seem to have no problem getting them. If guns are harder and more expensive to get, it only means law abiding citizens like you and I will have less access to them - it plays right into the hands of criminals since they will not have any problem getting guns.

If we are trying to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally ill, then we need to regulate them, not prohibit them. Prohibiting something removes the states ability to regulate because there won't be anything to regulate - only a crime to punish. There won't be checks and balances, it will be a free, black market.

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Here is an argument against gun elimination:

Consider the drug market....

Heroin and crack are illegal and punishments for  possession of even small amounts are extreme. Does anyone who wants heroin or crack have a hard time obtaining it? .... No. Even without money people seem to find a way to get it.

Suppose you outlaw guns... Do you think it will be enforced or eliminated any better than heroin or crack? No.

In fact, what will likely happen is that it will create an underground black market in which only criminals will be able to obtain guns because law abiding citizens will of course obey the law.

So, effectively that monopolizes guns for criminals. If I were trying to start a militia, I would be in favor of gun control because that ensures my enemy will have a difficult time arming themselves.

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Wow folks, I'm not sure where to start with this one....

There are a lot of arguments that I agree with, on both sides.

First off, and to be clear, I am not in favor of removing guns from private citizens. I am a hunter and a "country kid" - I understand the value of guns. You do not need a so-called "assault rifle" to hunt big game, but I'm not going to get into the ambiguity of what can be considered an assault rifle because that is irrelevant. All guns kill. That is what they are designed to do. It is true that semi-auto and fully auto will kill more people more quickly, respectively.

I love shooting guns. For all you UK people out there, if you don't understand the pleasure in shooting a gun, you might never - and that is ok. It must be an American thing, but let me tell you. It is AMAZING! It is a huge stress reliever to fire off round after round and not only hear the sound of the bullet, but feel it, the recoil, the explosion, the sound of the bullet cutting the air, and as it hits the target.

This enjoyment is increased with semi-auto and fully-auto weapons. That is the number one reason I would like to have one in my home - I currently do not. I own one gun (30/30 winchester lever action, open site). It is a good brush gun for hunting deer - and oh so fun to shoot. Any other reasons for owning one of these seems superficial and moot. We are not under attack and we are not being oppressed by our government. You certainly don't need a semi for self-defense, at least not in the US.

People do not become murderers due to them owning an assault rifle. Eliminating guns will not stop the violence. The violence will adapt/evolve, and there will be other ways to mass-murder.

What's happening, and what will happen with each shooting is an attempt by some law makers to exploit the tragedy for their own agendas. This adds salt on the wound and fuel to the fire. We need to take the focus off of guns for a moment, and focus on our families. We are in the midst of a crisis, and that is called, lack of parenting. Our children are being influenced in ways that weren't imaginable 20 or 30 years ago, and parents of the previous generation suffocated by their own struggles are unaware and incapable of dealing with the social influences on their offspring.

America is indeed in crisis, but it is not a gun crisis. It is a humanitarian crisis. America is lost. Let's stop fighting about whether or not we should control guns, and start worrying about why our children want to destroy each other.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 05, 2019, 04:53:25 PM »
Individuals are free to build their own methods of energy supply.

Fact is, the methods advocated for national reliance, such as solar and wind, are still far below that of oil and gas in terms of efficiency and ROI.

The environment is not being destroyed either. <- Do you live under a rock?

This is true, although completely impractical. Not many people have the resources or the know-how to make their own energy. And are you talking about converting your vehicle to run of hydrogen or vegetable oil (or similar)? Do you know how to do this? I don't, and I don't know anyone who does - doesn't mean it's not out there, but get real. Most people are not auto-mechanics, let alone engineers. Are you talking about converting my electrical at home to run off-grid? Again, something that most people don't know how to do or have the means to do it. In fact, if people start getting on youtube and googling methods of power conversion, and they get it wrong, they might just end up burning down their house.

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There is no such thing as hate speech.

In an effort to avoid giving an answer to likeness of, "You're wrong", I will try to provide evidence of hate speech. First off, take a look at this pdf: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/IF11072.pdf

It defines several categories of speech that are not protected by the 1st amendment. Not all of it is hate speech, but if you, for instance, threaten someone with violent actions, that is considered hate speech. So, I don't know what kind of veil you hide behind that allows you to ignore these types of defamation.

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Trump is not a bigot, nor does he discriminate.

Can I get away with saying, "ya, right"?

Here is how bigotry is defined by merriam webster:

Definition of bigot

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially
: one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Would you say that Trump's efforts to prevent anyone who is "muslim" from entering the country falls into the category of "one who regards or treats members of a group with hatred and intolerance"?


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Conveniently ignoring the fact the entire population of the planet could be placed in a state the size of Oregon, with 4 people each living in a 1400 sq ft home and a quarter acre yard.

Have you been to or seen the country of India? You might be able to cram a billion people in a tiny little area, but let's be honest... do you REALLY think that will work? And you are conveniently ignoring the fact that crammed people still eat, sleep, crap, and consume. Having enough space to put everyone is not the issue here... we are talking about resources. Consumables. Look what's happening in the Amazon rain forest... do you think earth will be just fine without all of those trees? Reminds me of the Lorax.... I guess come corporation will start charging for air just like they do with water.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 05, 2019, 01:19:44 PM »


But in keeping with maintaining the OP, Trump is not to blame (even according to orange man bad advocates) for the cost of prescription drugs in the USA.

Neither does he have an obligation or responsibility to fix them.

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Trump isn't to blame for how the healthcare got here, but he can, and certainly SHOULD, do something about it. He's the president after all, and isn't it his job to fight for the American people? We are Trump's boss, and he should be working for US. It is no secret that healthcare is destroying lower and middle class America.

So, actually Trump DOES have an obligation and a responsibility to fix this.
No, he doesn't.

All too often there is someone crying for the government to fix something when they have no legitimate reason to. Fighting for the American people does not include interfering in affairs not laid out in the US Constitution.

As far as your secret, you have a hard time convincing anyone that lower and middle class America is being destroyed, because that is the supposed audience this magical talking point is directed.

Trump's audience is not those people.

Your rebuttal is astounding as usual.... "No, he doesn't." ... Guess you got me there. :o

When you say "that is the supposed audience....  Trump's audience is not those people", are you saying that Trump's audience is upper class America? Not arguing your point yet, just trying to get some clarification before you proceed to muddy up this discussion with more "nuh uhs" and "Your wrongs"....
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As far as your secret, you have a hard time convincing anyone that lower and middle class America is being destroyed, because that is the supposed audience this magical talking point is directed.

Trump's audience is not those people.

Wait, you're saying Trump's "audience" (as if he wasn't the entire country's President but whatever) is exclusively the rich and privileged? ???
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As far as your secret, you have a hard time convincing anyone that lower and middle class America is being destroyed, because that is the supposed audience this magical talking point is directed.

Trump's audience is not those people.

Wait, you're saying Trump's "audience" (as if he wasn't the entire country's President but whatever) is exclusively the rich and privileged? ???

Or the poor, welfare users.
Trump's audience is sane people who recognize insanity, do not fall for the, "help me, I'm broke," BS spouted by people whose greatest struggle has been breaking free from from the sofa in the parent's basement.

And again, healthcare isn't destroying middle class America.

That's quite a presumptuous statement. Do you know anyone with a serious chronic illness?
Yes.

I have a chronic illness.

Both of my sisters have a chronic illness, as does my father.
I doubt it from the way you dismiss the struggles of the average American.
What do you know about an "average American?"

Where does this high handedness arise?

Questioning what I know.
It is no wonder you are a Trump supporter. Birds of a feather flock together. It is clear that Trump has no empathy for the average American, and that is one of my concerns for giving him so much power and authority.
Yeah, right.
Someone who doesn't know what it is like to struggle to make ends meat or to make a bill payment - living paycheck to paycheck isn't a symptom of couch potatoes. It's a symptom of stratification. Rich get richer, and poor get poorer. It's basic economics.
Basic economics...LOL!

Basic economics first lesson is DON'T LET EXPENDITURES EQUAL MORE THAN INCOME!!!

Spare me the economics lesson.
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Trump's audience is sane people who recognize insanity
I cringe at your definition of sanity.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and somehow expecting a different result.

You, so far to this point, have failed to differentiate your message from that of any other typical politician in either party as pictured today...

Sorry, not buying...and neither are the rest of the 2020 supporters.

I think doing things differently would be to seek out alternative fuel sources - not loosen restrictions on coal and oil industries so they can monopolize, capitalize, and simultaneously destroy the environment and any chance of having a sustainable future. I think doing things differently would be to lower taxes for people who need some extra money at the end of the month for groceries, rather than lower taxes for those who need the money for an extra yacht.  I think doing things differently would be to put down the golf clubs and try visiting an impoverished neighborhood to see how little time real American's have for entertainment. I think doing things different might be to stop the hate speech, stop the bigotry, and stop the discrimination.

Doing thing differently might be to wake up and realize that there are 7.5 billion people on a planet that is dying. Can you guess why it's dying? Economics, as you so clearly pointed out is not letting expenditures exceed income. Humanity's input is by far exceeding it's output - by about 100% - meaning we consume so much that we need an entire other earth to support our current existence. People like you and other Trumpers seem to have missed the topic of conservation of resources. Trump believes there is such a thing as "clean coal".... someone who dismisses the reality of this equation can only be called, simply, a moron.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 05, 2019, 12:31:56 PM »


But in keeping with maintaining the OP, Trump is not to blame (even according to orange man bad advocates) for the cost of prescription drugs in the USA.

Neither does he have an obligation or responsibility to fix them.

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Trump isn't to blame for how the healthcare got here, but he can, and certainly SHOULD, do something about it. He's the president after all, and isn't it his job to fight for the American people? We are Trump's boss, and he should be working for US. It is no secret that healthcare is destroying lower and middle class America.

So, actually Trump DOES have an obligation and a responsibility to fix this.
No, he doesn't.

All too often there is someone crying for the government to fix something when they have no legitimate reason to. Fighting for the American people does not include interfering in affairs not laid out in the US Constitution.

As far as your secret, you have a hard time convincing anyone that lower and middle class America is being destroyed, because that is the supposed audience this magical talking point is directed.

Trump's audience is not those people.

Your rebuttal is astounding as usual.... "No, he doesn't." ... Guess you got me there. :o

When you say "that is the supposed audience....  Trump's audience is not those people", are you saying that Trump's audience is upper class America? Not arguing your point yet, just trying to get some clarification before you proceed to muddy up this discussion with more "nuh uhs" and "Your wrongs"....
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As far as your secret, you have a hard time convincing anyone that lower and middle class America is being destroyed, because that is the supposed audience this magical talking point is directed.

Trump's audience is not those people.

Wait, you're saying Trump's "audience" (as if he wasn't the entire country's President but whatever) is exclusively the rich and privileged? ???
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As far as your secret, you have a hard time convincing anyone that lower and middle class America is being destroyed, because that is the supposed audience this magical talking point is directed.

Trump's audience is not those people.

Wait, you're saying Trump's "audience" (as if he wasn't the entire country's President but whatever) is exclusively the rich and privileged? ???

Or the poor, welfare users.
Trump's audience is sane people who recognize insanity, do not fall for the, "help me, I'm broke," BS spouted by people whose greatest struggle has been breaking free from from the sofa in the parent's basement.

And again, healthcare isn't destroying middle class America.

That's quite a presumptuous statement. Do you know anyone with a serious chronic illness? I doubt it from the way you dismiss the struggles of the average American. It is no wonder you are a Trump supporter. Birds of a feather flock together. It is clear that Trump has no empathy for the average American, and that is one of my concerns for giving him so much power and authority. Someone who doesn't know what it is like to struggle to make ends meat or to make a bill payment - living paycheck to paycheck isn't a symptom of couch potatoes. It's a symptom of stratification. Rich get richer, and poor get poorer. It's basic economics.

Furthermore,

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Trump's audience is sane people who recognize insanity

I cringe at your definition of sanity.

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