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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 20, 2019, 01:29:27 PM »
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I happen to believe that even science suggests the RET/spinning globe is capable of experiencing change in velocity and gaining/losing time over incidents such as giant earthquakes.

So, I wouldn't be so quick to discount the apparent stoppage of the sun and moon in the sky.

As for it being evidence of a flat earth, I agree. It would be silly to even suggest the stoppage of the sun/moon is related to a flat earth.

What caused you to correlate the two?

This verse was mentioned above:

Josh 10:13
The sun stood still and the moon stood motionless while the nation took vengeance on its enemies. The event is recorded in the Scroll of the Upright One. The sun stood motionless in the middle of the sky and did not set for about a full day.

It is being used to suggest the earth is flat since suddenly stopping rotation would cause a massive inertia backlash if the earth was spinning.

When you are pointing out how the bible suggests the earth is flat, your argument assumes a literal interpretation of the bible, so you literally ARE taking those scriptures LITERALLY. When it says "ends of the earth", you are taking that as the earth literally has ends. "To the four corners of the earth" you are taking it that the earth literally has four corners - hence you are taking it literally.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 20, 2019, 12:58:25 PM »
Here is a site that discusses how the bible "seems to suggest the earth is flat", and why it actually does not suggest it to be flat.

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/
Your four corners:

North, south, east, west
On your provided site the word "suggest," or its derivatives appears five times.

First, "Nearly everyone understands that a sphere does not have an edge. Indeed, we can travel indefinitely around a sphere and never reach a boundary or edge. On the other hand, if the earth is flat, it must have an edge somewhere, unless the earth is an infinite plane. However, few people today suggest the latter, and no one in the ancient world did. Bible skeptics are fond of pointing out that the phrase “four corners of the earth” appears three times in the Bible. Surely, the skeptics claim, this must refer to a flat, square earth—thus proving that the Bible teaches a flat earth."

Second, "The many instances of anthropomorphisms in the Bible, suggesting such things as God having hands (Psalm 8:3; Isaiah 66:2) or eyes (Proverbs 15:2) clearly are not literal. There also is an inconsistency in the flat-earth argument here. Flat-earthers believe that the firmament is a transparent dome over the earth, and hence is curved. On the other hand, no body of water is curved, but rather all seas have flat surfaces. But John described a sea of glass, which, by every other use, must be flat, so why is this one curved?"

Third, "Flat-earthers who pursue this distinction suggest that the phrase “in the firmament of heaven” of Genesis 1:17 (and possibly Genesis 1:14–15 as well) ought to be understood as “inside the firmament of heaven.”

Fourth, "Presumably, this was while still in the wilderness. Next, the devil took Jesus to the pinnacle of the Temple in Jerusalem and suggested that Jesus cast himself down (Matthew 4:5). Note that there was considerable distance between the wilderness and the Temple (at least 50 miles)."

Fifth, " For instance, the phrase “ends of the earth” appears 28 times in the King James Version, and, if taken literally, suggest that the earth has an edge, which would rule out a spherical earth."

In the only instance your article figuratively "leaves the Bible to its own devices," so to speak, your article clearly states the Bible does indeed suggest the earth is flat, as a sphere does not possess four corners and does not have an end.

You've heard of figurative speech, right?

You are taking those phrases literally. Do you really believe the earth is a square? Even FET does not suggest it to be square. Do you really believe the sun and moon stopped in the sky? Even if it literally stopped in the sky, how is this evidence of a flat earth? It seems like a stretch to interpret those scriptures to be anything other than metaphors.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 20, 2019, 11:31:05 AM »
Your four corners:

North, south, east, west

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 20, 2019, 01:21:39 AM »
The bible is also difficult to take literally, and depending on the translation, can be interpreted in multiple ways. I find in hard to take those scriptures literally.

"The world is firmly established, it will not be moved."

Is that the roman army bragging about its everlasting reign and power? Another empire maybe? I'm not a historian, but the odds are pretty good that the interpretation of an un-moving world being a flat earth is pretty low considering the ("world of pure imagination" - willy wonka.) alternatives.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 19, 2019, 07:05:54 PM »
Here is a site that discusses how the bible "seems to suggest the earth is flat", and why it actually does not suggest it to be flat.

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 19, 2019, 06:23:15 PM »

Remember this dress? Half the people who saw it said the dress was blue and black. The other half of people who saw it said the dress was white and gold. What is the TRUTH? Well the truth is that people have different visual cortex's, different eyes, and different optical nerves and see different things.



Remember this? A lot of people heard "Yanny" and many people heard "Laurel".

What is the TRUTH. What is the voice saying?

Regarding the dress:

The TRUTH is that neither are correct, for colors do not exist in reality.

Regarding the audio recording:

The TRUTH is that each individual is not created equally. We each hear different pitches at varying decibels. This audio was recorded with both "yanny" and "lorel" dubbed over each other. Whichever you hear is dependent on what decibel you hear the corresponding pitch.

To answer the question of "What is truth?" requires a different thread.

To answer the question of whether or not refraction exists.... it exists in as much as light waves exist. However, each individual perception of refraction will change. This is why we have different prescription glasses.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 19, 2019, 05:39:57 PM »
I'm not the one questioning whether refraction exists or not.  I am simply telling iamcpc that I have been familiar with what I recognise as the refraction of light for over 40 years so I don't understand his need to question whether refraction exists or not. If it doesn't then perhaps he could explain to me how refracting telescopes work.

I believe my comment was directed more toward iamcpc, since they were the ones to argue that it is impossible to know something 100%. I don't know that I am not the only conscious being, but that doesn't stop me from making friends and having meaningful relationships, for instance. So claiming that you can't know something for absolute sure is no argument for or against anything.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 19, 2019, 04:35:48 PM »
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First off I don't know that it exists. It's impossible to know something is 100% true.

So what criteria or conditions need to exist then for you to say you actually know something?  The fact that I have been using refracting telescopes which rely on the concept known as refraction of light to work gives me a clue about its existence.

Philosophy is no place for pedantry..... philosophically there is no way to "know" anything. Practically, we do know things, and we must live our lives based on this knowledge or you will just live in a black box.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 19, 2019, 02:16:21 PM »
If you are asking for FET evidence that the earth is flat, a good place to start would be the wiki in this site.

If you are asking what motives bring people to believe that the earth is flat despite overwhelming evidence against it, I could think of at least two:
- Religious convictions. Some passages of the Bible seem to suggest that the earth is flat or fixed to a position.
- Appeal of conspiracy theories. That would be the psychological explanation.


Kindly quote the verse or the chapter where the Earth is mentioned to be flat in the Bible. Nowhere has it mentioned that the Earth is flat.
He has not written the Bible mentioned the Earth is flat.

He wrote the Bible seemed to "suggest," the Earth is flat.

Well, where does the bible seem to suggest the earth is flat?

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Got the AD bind happening automatically as a post-install script. kickstart writes the 'realm join' command to the rc.local and makes is executable.

Phase 1 of the project is complete.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 15, 2019, 02:15:25 PM »
Our Glorious business minded leader has begun to fuck us up.


Dow Tumbles More Than 600 Points As Bond Markets Signal Recession https://n.pr/2KPut1h

As evidence, he backs up on some of his Tariffs until right before Christmas, ya know, cause the stocks dropped like a god damn rock, partly due to him.

I hate myself for hoping the economy tanks before the next election... but that's where I am now.  Any fucking thing that helps get him out.
Many people have now adopted this stance, so you are not alone.

Somehow I don't think Trump's base would be swayed if the economy collapsed. They'd just blame it on Obama and Clinton.
Well, at some point everything will collapse, of that there is no doubt.

But it has been that way over and over and over again.

And then, right back to the ways demonstrably proven to cause collapse all over again.

Sure, history repeats itself... We had pharaoh, hitler, stalin, trump....

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 15, 2019, 12:28:15 PM »
Our Glorious business minded leader has begun to fuck us up.


Dow Tumbles More Than 600 Points As Bond Markets Signal Recession https://n.pr/2KPut1h

As evidence, he backs up on some of his Tariffs until right before Christmas, ya know, cause the stocks dropped like a god damn rock, partly due to him.

I hate myself for hoping the economy tanks before the next election... but that's where I am now.  Any fucking thing that helps get him out.
Many people have now adopted this stance, so you are not alone.

Somehow I don't think Trump's base would be swayed if the economy collapsed. They'd just blame it on Obama and Clinton.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 13, 2019, 07:24:56 PM »
God I'm so glad this is absolutely not true, otherwise every time I wake up to sleep paralysis and see some crazy shit it would turn out to be real.
I think totallackey said that your senses are the only thing that is real, not everything you sense is real.

OK - now the philosophical discussion of what "real" is.....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 13, 2019, 03:45:05 PM »
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: our senses are not proof of anything.
I am of the opinion our senses are the only thing that is real.

After that, it then becomes one of subjective interpretation of what exactly was sensed.

How can you prove your senses are real if you can only subjectively interpret them?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: August 13, 2019, 01:55:43 PM »
Well, considering you have admitted the actual heliocentricity of the so-called solar system is, in fact, not proven...I think the "pretty good idea," is, in fact," more accurately described as "imagination."

What would you say has been proven in your FE model, and how was it proven?
I would say it is demonstrably proven that humanity, while living a normal, day-to-day life, does not witness any curvature of the earth.
Agreed. In the same way that, while living a normal, day-to-day life, we don't see bacteria.
That doesn't mean bacteria don't exist. It just means our senses are limited and are not sufficient on their own to determine the nature of reality.
But we do have other ways of determining reality. This image illustrates the folly of looking at a horizon, not seeing any curve and making conclusions about the shape of the earth:



I've said it before, and I'll say it again: our senses are not proof of anything.

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As an update to the project:

I setup an NFS server which hosts a kickstart file and the installation source files. I created a custom boot image using genisoimage, stipped out all the packages and slimmed up the grub menu, and added the directive to the kickstart file. This will be my litetouch installer.

So far it is working as expected. Next I am figuring out how to automate Active Directory binding with realm. Getting it bound to AD is not the problem, getting it built-in to the kickstart file is the problem, but I'm close.

Once this is finalized and working, I can implement a package manager to add software to the clients as needed. The final step will be to implement PXE, which I found out should be possible (in our environment) as long as I can get all the clients registered on the same subnet - this is way down the road.

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Well, if you guys got your shit together on healthcare you could lengthen that lifespan too.

There are more reasons than just shitty healthcare contributing to the unhealthy status is this nation. This is where culture comes into play. How many Americans' primary diet comes from fast food? How many Americans sit on their asses not doing much more than engaging in vicarious activity? Stress is also a factor, but I can't speak to the differences of stress from one place to another except for the difference of rural vs urban or industrialized vs pre-industrialized. Urban and industrial areas will experience more stress on average - anthropological studies will show.

Yeah, although ideally, and people are starting to adopt this, the best healthcare is preventative. It would be great if we had more dieticians, masseuses, etc... and people took advantage of them. Imagine if personal trainers could be covered by insurance? Exercise, diet and rest are the best defenses against stress.

Agreed. I'd add more to this, but I feel like it's getting off topic....

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Well, if you guys got your shit together on healthcare you could lengthen that lifespan too.

There are more reasons than just shitty healthcare contributing to the unhealthy status is this nation. This is where culture comes into play. How many Americans' primary diet comes from fast food? How many Americans sit on their asses not doing much more than engaging in vicarious activity? Stress is also a factor, but I can't speak to the differences of stress from one place to another except for the difference of rural vs urban or industrialized vs pre-industrialized. Urban and industrial areas will experience more stress on average - anthropological studies will show.

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So then what’s the plan on the budget after you massively slash revenue? Or would the new consumption tax be higher than the mean sales tax in order to try and offset?

Consumption tax would have to be much higher. Ultimately you'd have to match the income tax in other areas, but people would be free to choose where to spend that 30% rather than just fork it up to government who then decides what to spend it on.

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I believe in no taxation of production and strictly a tax on consumption.

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I like this idea. I also think lowering or completely removing income tax would be good. It would put the power of spending back in the consumers hands. Of course, you'd have to increase taxes on consumables as lackey said, and this would have to be a very high tax. This would do two things:

1. Increase spending power and enable people to decide whether or not the 30% or more of extra income should go to consumables, invested, or saved.
2. Reduce overall consumption since consumable items would be more expensive. This country could stand to reduce consumption by magnitudes. Hell, the amount food wasted each day could easily feed a starving country.

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