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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Things You Can Do Everyday!
« on: December 07, 2016, 12:24:37 PM »
Is there any artist who believes that the earth is flat? I don't think so.

In art class I was taught the horizon line is always at the EYE LEVEL or the artist. It is not determined by being able to see at a fixed distance. The website attached has some useful illustrations.

http://www.joshuanava.biz/perspective/in-other-words-the-observer-simply-points-in-the-same-direction-as-the-lines-in-order-to-find-their-vanishing-point.html

Standing on a cliff even a few meters away from the beach, one will see further than a man with binoculars on the same beach. Why?
Because of the atmosphere, it changes according to the observer.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Things You Can Do Everyday!
« on: December 06, 2016, 05:17:55 PM »
God or other supreme court of heavenly wisdom can trick us all to determine our hope.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Things You Can Do Everyday!
« on: December 06, 2016, 05:12:27 PM »
That's all ? nailed ? No hope ? should we weep ?
I invite you, hope for flat earth, hope for flat earthers and find us solution to our desire for flat earth ?
you can't ? that doesn't mean we can't.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Round earth using flat earth material once again.
« on: December 05, 2016, 11:38:59 AM »
My common sense tell me,

It would seem from the rest of what you wrote, that common sense is not that common.

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Predictions: someone is going to use mathematics

Well, if you don't understand mathematics this would be a problem, as would trying to make a bridge span a gap and hold up against a cross wind, but I suppose common sense would suffice.

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Predictions of disappointment: No other flat earther going to support my ideas.

If you are in a community of bampots, and the other bampots think what you say is wrong, does that make you king of the bampots, or the lowest bampot? This is a fundamental question, that has yet to be resolved (See Sandy & Tom (the garlic) Bishop).

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I am not a religious guy yet, I do believe in supreme power ruling the world, so to see a mirage of Chicago skyline, I mean,not to see new York from Ireland is a way to separate between the people who believe in themselves(believe in a supreme power) and people who believe in nothing.

You are going to have to help me out here. Are you saying that only a non religious believer in a higher force would see New York from Ireland? If so would his camera be able to get me a photo?

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Round earthers prone to:
1)no life after death  RE's are diverse, but true for me
2)no god at all, See above
everything is amazingly chaotic. The weather largely is, at the quantum scale an awful lot is, in general it's a mix
3)people feeling are not to consider Not true. You would not believe the amount of constraint I am exercising at this moment
4)Why things are happening, That's science, we like science. is something not to consider.That's religion, In the beginning was the word!

1) common sense is a common sense, If I would used other things like common view of the world I won't use common.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Round earth using flat earth material once again.
« on: December 05, 2016, 09:19:36 AM »
Round earthers prone to:
1)no life after death
2)no god at all, everything is amazingly chaotic.
3)people feeling are not to consider
4)Why things are happening, is something not to consider.
Bottom line: they are tendentious and you can tell it very clearly.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Round earth using flat earth material once again.
« on: December 05, 2016, 09:15:57 AM »
Nice point of view: Most of the round earthers here are atheists or has religious atheistic point of view(where their own god is utterly stupid).
I am not a religious guy yet, I do believe in supreme power ruling the world, so to see a mirage of Chicago skyline, I mean,not to see new York from Ireland is a way to separate between the people who believe in themselves(believe in a supreme power) and people who believe in nothing.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Round earth using flat earth material once again.
« on: December 05, 2016, 09:12:10 AM »
Most of the mathematics built upon the idea that earth is round so what the hell would you expect it to show ?

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Round earth using flat earth material once again.
« on: December 05, 2016, 09:01:50 AM »
Predictions of disappointment: No other flat earther going to support my ideas.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Round earth using flat earth material once again.
« on: December 05, 2016, 08:55:49 AM »
Predictions: someone is going to use mathematics.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Round earth using flat earth material once again.
« on: December 05, 2016, 08:51:13 AM »
My common sense tell me, if something is obscured by the horizon it my well be because of refraction so what the cowards say:
if something can be seen in horizon it because of refraction, so they go the lab and prepare some miniature experiment to show that, but seemingly nothing will change their mind that both can be true.

2) my common sense tell me: if the horizon is a straight line it shows the earth cannot be round, because if you see a building 60 miles away you would expect to see a subtle curve make it to the building, NO NO you can't because we found some formula(the refraction type formula) to support our idea that the earth is small and insignificant so they may do whatever they want here and have no meaning to their actions.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: it all begin with the will...
« on: November 30, 2016, 08:42:51 AM »

Rab! Sometimes we have to learn to pick battles that are winnable, lest we end up beating our brains out on the doors of a mental asylum.
When we have someone (like the good people here, Inti, etc.) who have heard "How stupid can you get?" and took it as a personal challenge instead of a question, mixed gods/fairies/whatever with bad education and mistake incredulity for reason, point them to the counter wiki and go watch a good film.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why?
« on: November 30, 2016, 05:52:37 AM »
if planes would have to stay focus on path during flight by sticking to gravity corrections we should have felt it very harshly.
What "gravity corrections" are there that would affect a plane?
Any variations in "g" are minute, and are measured values, so would affect the plane in the same way whether the earth were flat or a Globe.

Try to look it through other scientific method, not through the Data you have but through your common sense.
look into your inner, and say to yourself: if a plane fly at a curve and it should stick to a curve by any mean(gravity)the power should be felt, because when you change position your mood and emotion change position and the world itself change position.
briefly - if you gliding a curve you should feel the curve.
In the absence of any air turbulence or other effects the plane would be flying at a constant altitude about the earth.
To get a feeling for how fast it curves over to follow the earth's curve, a typical airliner would take about 48 hours to fly the 360° around the earth.
That is half the rotational speed of the hour hand of an analogue clock. Do imagine that you would notice that?
Put it another way that plane curves over at only one eighth of a degree per minute. One eighth of a degree is a quite unnoticeable angle.

There is no way you could feel that. The Globe is so huge that to us on the surface it appears near enough to flat.

Sometime you need a bit of "uncommon sense".
Again, I use my brain,my soul,my thoughts, my emotions to feel my environment,you use only outsourcing.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: it all begin with the will...
« on: November 30, 2016, 03:16:50 AM »
Did İntikam take over somebody else's user name?
Not yet.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: it all begin with the will...
« on: November 30, 2016, 01:45:51 AM »
Those round earthers - have formulas after formulas to claim the earth is round, so they have every basis to claim the earth is round because they found formulas to every flaw, such as:the earth is tilted, the moon orbit is tilted - you can do it for every kind of module, you can provide formulas for every kind of module and for centuries based all the world according to the module.

I don't need formulas and equations to tell me that
• A sunrise looks like the sun rising up from behind something - the horizon.

• A sunset looks like the sun sinking down from behind something - the horizon.

• The same for the moon rising and setting.

• The sun staying exactly the same size from dawn to dusk implies either that is distance from me does not change, or that it must be a tremendous distance away.

No Flat Earther has come up any reasonable explanations for these simple observations, let alone so many others that need a bit of background to appreciate.

There are lots more observations that require simple well-known measurements that do not fit a flat surface.
If you believe in something higher than you, powerful than you, that can fulfill your wishes by simple tricks of vision you can understand there are plenty ways you can explain those observations.

The world is working for you, you should ask why you came here at first, and understand to enjoy the life.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why?
« on: November 30, 2016, 01:32:16 AM »
if planes would have to stay focus on path during flight by sticking to gravity corrections we should have felt it very harshly.
What "gravity corrections" are there that would affect a plane?
Any variations in "g" are minute, and are measured values, so would affect the plane in the same way whether the earth were flat or a Globe.

Try to look it through other scientific method, not through the Data you have but through your common sense.
look into your inner, and say to yourself: if a plane fly at a curve and it should stick to a curve by any mean(gravity)the power should be felt, because when you change position your mood and emotion change position and the world itself change position.
briefly - if you gliding a curve you should feel the curve.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why?
« on: November 30, 2016, 01:21:14 AM »
if planes would have to stay focus on path during flight by sticking to gravity corrections we should have felt it very harshly.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why?
« on: November 30, 2016, 01:05:07 AM »
Evidence over millennia were collected according to the will of people to be part of a certain world, people have distinct characters making them want the earth be round, therefore all of the data and formulas were made according to that, you have to dig very carefully to find where the things were sew together.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why?
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:59:10 AM »
People have experience of ship becoming visible through telescope, people have lots of other experience showing the ship sinks in horizon is a plain trick of nature.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why?
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:55:51 AM »
You can't feel the movement of the train under your feet(or maybe sometimes you can) but you can say otherwise whether it moves or not.
People should have their own abilities to determine such things if they can't by mind or by emotion to do so it means - False.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why?
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:54:08 AM »
People are not idiots, if the shard were leaning supposedly even the slightest leaning could be noticed.

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