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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: For those who believe in a flat Earth.
« on: May 23, 2015, 03:46:31 AM »
... and experiments!

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: Multiple questions
« on: May 22, 2015, 04:44:57 PM »
Let me rephrase my comment:

Is it correct that flat-earth believers do not believe in gravity, but believe in special relativity?

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: South Pole
« on: May 22, 2015, 04:42:19 PM »
I am referring to the southernmost point on earth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Do any flat earth believers use sattelite TV?
« on: May 22, 2015, 02:40:18 PM »
Excellent question.

Any comments? I need to do the math....

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: Multiple questions
« on: May 22, 2015, 02:25:38 PM »
I am surprised! I always thought that scientific insights/laws/theories are considered incorrect in this forum.

(spoon: sorry if you are a 'normal' person, i.e. a person having no doubt the earth is round...)

This means that a quite new concept is used to satisfy some unrelated insane and ridocoluos assumption, that the 'flat' earth is 'accelerating' 'upwards'. I guess even a little child will see that this chain of arguments is complete unlogical.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: What do you see
« on: May 22, 2015, 02:09:42 PM »
Thank you. I assume also other see a straight black line. However, this is a zoom of a circle!

Of course, when you plot a circle and zoom in enough, what you will see finally is a straight line.

This tells us: If you see a straight line this does not tell you if the total object is straight or round. You just cannot tell either.

Exactly the same: When you look out of your window and the earth looks flat, you neither can tell it is flat nor it is round. You cannot draw any conclusions from the statement "the earth looks flat when I look out of my window".

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: South Pole
« on: May 22, 2015, 01:09:45 PM »
So the South Pole does not exist in FET? It would be great if I could get a definite 'yes' or 'no' or 'unknown' from the FES community...

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##### Suggestions & Concerns / Link broken
« on: May 22, 2015, 11:44:28 AM »
The link to '100 '''proofs''' the earth is not a globe' seems to be broken here: http://wiki.tfes.org/Experimental_Evidence

I wonder why someone needs 100 proofs. Just one would suffice to get ne convinced...

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: Multiple questions
« on: May 22, 2015, 08:23:43 AM »
Where does this equation come from. Or do you just know it from looking out of your window?

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Basic physics laws
« on: May 22, 2015, 07:42:08 AM »
You are mistaken.

Scientists see the effects of something. Then they make up a theory, and develope experiments to verify this theory.

Then it might happen that scientists see some effect (with an experiment) which deviates from the theory (e.g. very precise measurements, experiments in a special environment etc). These scientists conclude, that the original theory does not explain everything they observe with this experiment.

But instead of making stuff up, scientists try to develop a better theory, that explained everything observed so far (all observations with 'old' experiments must hold, of course), but which also explains the new observed effects.

Based on that, they develop new experiments to verify the new theory. And so on.

To my knowledge there is currently no theory available that explains everything. But all observations in everyday's life (including astronomical observations) can be explained by a set of consistent theories to very high precision.

As a matter of fact, you would not be able to use a computer if there is no suitable theory to explain electricity, semi-conductors, nano technology, etc

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: What do you see
« on: May 22, 2015, 07:30:41 AM »

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Basic physics laws
« on: May 22, 2015, 07:26:51 AM »
No theory is completly verifiable. But you can make experiments to be sure on a 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% level or something! That is called 'science'.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: What do you see
« on: May 22, 2015, 07:21:02 AM »
You see no image at all?

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Basic physics laws
« on: May 22, 2015, 07:20:16 AM »
I like to back up dog's statements. Nothing is 100% certain, even my belief that the earth is round (although it is veeeeeery close to 100%).

I also would like to point out the simplicity of the 'theory of gravity' Just take the following equation:

It states the attractive, gravitational force between two masses 'M' and 'm' given a distance 'd' between them. With this simple equation, you can calculate:

- the motion of the planets in our solar system around the sun
- the motion of the planet's moos around the planets
- the motion of asteroids
- the motion of comets
- the motion of satellites around the earth
- the motion of probes travelling through our solar system
- solar eclipses
- lunar eclipses

I even did these calculations myself on a computer. They worked! So try it yourself!

However, this equation does not hold when including other forces (as this equation only describes the gravitational force). Low-earth satellites are decelerated by the earth's atmosphere and smaller objects in the solar system experience a small force from the particle wind coming from the sun. And for much greater distances, one has to consider cosmological effects.

But for all the 'basic' things we observe, like the moon, the sun, sunset, sunrise, eclipses, position of planets etc., the only equation you need is the one posted on top of this thread. No need for strange, complicated and unexplainable movements of the stars and planets over the 'flat' earth. Just this simple and elegant equation to explain almost everything you see on the sky!

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: What do you see
« on: May 22, 2015, 07:08:21 AM »
I will come to my point afterwards.

So what do you see in that image? Just try to answer this question!

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##### Flat Earth Theory / What do you see
« on: May 22, 2015, 06:35:10 AM »
What do you see in that image?

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: Multiple questions
« on: May 22, 2015, 06:09:33 AM »
Interesting. I assume you have nothing more to say then, so I asume my statements made earlier are correct.

This thread can be closed.

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: Multiple questions
« on: May 22, 2015, 04:50:55 AM »
If you claim a statement to be 'incorrect' without further explanation, this is an obvious non-scientific statement. If you want to contribute to this discussion, please stay focussed and try to explain, why you think the claim is incorrect.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Basic physics laws
« on: May 22, 2015, 04:48:24 AM »
Well, fact is you do not understand what the word 'theory' means in a scientific meaning.

Can you then provide a law or anything that describes gravity?

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Antarctica
« on: May 22, 2015, 04:46:33 AM »
Scientists do NOT find what they expect. Scientists are looking for the truth.

There happened to be an experiment a while back when scientists were trying to find the 'Ether'. They were all pretty convinced the Ether must exist. However, in order to proof that theory, they conceived an experiment (Michelson-Morley experiment). To the big surprises of everyone, they did NOT find the Ether.

So, the scientists had to overthink they're view from the world, and they all accepted the truth that the Ether does not exist.

So the statement from James Randi is incorrect. Scientists are looking for the truth, whatever this might be!

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