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Here's James May doing the same thing (lucky so and so...)


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A shape question about the FE
« on: January 22, 2019, 11:34:06 PM »
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I've never been to your garden

Acknowledged but I have the same view of the world and the sky from my garden as you do from yours. The zetetic way seems to be based on directly available evidence so that is as relevant from one place on Earth as it is from any other.

However if you won't provide just a couple of points of evidence then fair enough. Sorry you feel that you have nothing else to discuss just because I don't want to watch a video which is biased towards the FE point of view.  Funny how FE believers discredit any videos that support the RET as possible faked evidence etc but are happy to stand by any videos that support their own beliefs.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A shape question about the FE
« on: January 22, 2019, 11:15:50 PM »
Not interested in videos. Especially 2 hour long videos. Got better things to do.  I just want a couple of real world examples from you that I can see from my own garden which proves to you at least that the Earth is not a globe.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A shape question about the FE
« on: January 22, 2019, 09:44:46 PM »
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Flat earthers have many times pointed out inconsistencies that exist in the RET.

Well come on then... give me a couple of examples.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A shape question about the FE
« on: January 22, 2019, 08:22:45 PM »
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If you  can write a short article specifying the views, and put it into the project forum, I am sure that no one will mind putting it in to clarify other viewpoints and possibilities.

That is a work in progress which will be submitted in due course.  Already this thread has highlighted some of the many inconsistencies that exist in FET and that cannot be a good start.  However I will say no more about that right now and leave it for my forthcoming article.

You have to admit though iamcpc surely that your list posted above reads more like an author outlining possible ideas for a fantasy novel rather the basis for a real model.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Suns lit area of the flat Earth
« on: January 22, 2019, 07:27:19 PM »
Cheers for that iamcpc.  So all we need to do now is find a massive glass dome up there somewhere.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Problems with the Bishop Experiment
« on: January 22, 2019, 05:03:19 PM »
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Bobby's images verify what was seen and predicted by Samuel Birley Rowbotham

So if the all wise all knowing Samuel Birley Rowbotham saw it and predicted it, then it must be true.  Right?  No further evidence or proof needed.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Universal Acceleration - Power Source discussion
« on: January 22, 2019, 02:33:21 PM »
Same direction w.r.t the centre of the Earth (which can be assume to be a point source for purposes of measurement) but opposite directions in space.  Question remains though what is the Earth accelerating through since I didn't think that flat Earthers believe there is such as thing as outer space in the same way that round Earthers do.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Universal Acceleration - Power Source discussion
« on: January 22, 2019, 01:36:15 PM »
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The earth is accelerating upwards

I have a problem with this term acceleration because acceleration means rate of change of velocity.  Velocity can only change if speed and/or direction changes. Accelerating upwards would seem to suggest that direction is not changing so it can only be speed that is changing.  If that is the case then the effect of 'gravity' on a flat Earth would be different to what we experience in the real world where speed remains the same but direction changes.

Also what is the flat Earth accelerating through?  I would have said space but direction is irrelevant in space.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A shape question about the FE
« on: January 22, 2019, 12:22:46 PM »
So what lies beyond the Ice Wall then..... more infinitely flat Earth?  Or have you not investigated that yourself yet?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Universal Acceleration - Power Source discussion
« on: January 21, 2019, 10:02:59 PM »
1. That would be my understanding as well. Since we know the value of G (6.67 x 10^-11) and we know the masses and radii of all the planets we can calculate the value of the local gravitational acceleration (g) for all of them., And not surprisingly as the mass increases so does the value of g.

2. That's a FE idea so no idea about that.  I can only assume that FE theory has its own laws of physics that explain all that.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Universal Acceleration - Power Source discussion
« on: January 21, 2019, 08:36:56 PM »
Well I will wait in anticipation to find out what those sources of acceleration are.  Clearly they must be objects with mass so should be detectable.  Acceleration is a function of mass and distance.  Gravitational force is in theory infinite in range since we can continue to increase distance and the magnitude of the force will continue to decrease without ever getting to zero.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: 2019 Total Lunar Eclipse
« on: January 21, 2019, 08:30:46 PM »
The Moon was at perigee at the time of the eclipse, 357,342km. Using the size comparison of the Moons disk, your blue disk (shadow of the Earth) and the diameter of the Earth we should be able to show that the shadow of the Earth would indeed be that diameter at the Moons distance. 


Anyone who thinks that the Moon, Sun and Jupiter are all the same size clearly has no understanding of the solar system.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Universal Acceleration - Power Source discussion
« on: January 21, 2019, 08:16:34 PM »
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This would only apply if UA were the only source of gravity in the universe. We can safely assume that this is not the case

For something to be a 'source' of gravity it has to have mass, i.e. be ,made of matter. How does Universal Acceleration have mass?  Acceleration only has magnitude and direction.


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The traditional theory of gravitation (e.g. Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, General Theory of Relativity, etc) is incompatible with the Flat Earth Model because it requires a large, spherical mass pulling objects uniformly toward its center.

Isn't this the wrong way round? Flat Earth model is incompatible with the traditional theory of gravitation.  We have a large, spherical mass pulling objects uniformly towards its centre.  It's called Earth and its mass and acceleration due to its gravitation field have both been measured to high levels of accuracy.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: 2019 Total Lunar Eclipse
« on: January 21, 2019, 10:52:41 AM »
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The reason we don’t have a lunar eclipse all the time is because it orbits the earth on a different plane than the earth orbits the sun

That is right. The Moons orbit around Earth is inclined to the Earths orbit around the Sun by 5 degrees. Most months the full Moon passes either north or south of the extent of the Earths shadow.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: January 21, 2019, 10:23:11 AM »
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All I have to do is to provide the proofs for the existence of the ether.

Good luck with that. 

As for other points raised in your post,  There were a lot of ideas and theories being batted about during the 19th century which are now known to be no longer valid or otherwise refined.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Star coordinate systems
« on: January 21, 2019, 09:32:10 AM »
I have had a look through that thread. Seems a bit complicated to me.  A much simpler line of thought would be to just admit that the motions of the stars we see could be explained far more easily if the Earth was spherical.  That bipolar model is almost like bending a flat shape to make it round!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: January 21, 2019, 08:02:12 AM »
Re the request for photos of the lunar eclipse... here are a few from across the world...

http://spaceweathergallery.com/

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: January 20, 2019, 11:30:57 PM »
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If something is being pushed through space it must be subject to the laws of inertia.

Not if space if a vacuum which it is.

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Okay. Lets say that ether is pushing everything downwards, including light. When light travels upwards it is impeded by the ether. When light travels downwards it travels more easily though the ether. Maybe this explains the light experiments.

Doubt this is the case since the existence of the ether has now been discounted. Unless you know better Tom.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: January 20, 2019, 09:58:07 PM »
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The speed of light changes when you point it upwards or downwards, as to have an opposite effect in either direction?
Faster or slower Tom? And why should simply aiming light in any particular direction make a difference to the speed? Light doesn't really care what direction it travels does it?

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