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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: September 23, 2020, 08:21:49 PM »
Republicans found there was no conclusive proof of wrongdoing by Biden in the Ukraine.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 23, 2020, 03:22:18 PM »
Republican says to always protect against republicans.

I'm saying that politics in America is a two-way street and the powers one party gives to itself is eventually given to the other. It's part of what, in theory, should keep political power in check. If one party gives itself an advantage to bypass 'normal' political processes, it should be no surprise to anyone that the other party then uses that same advantage to bypass those very same processes. As I told Saddam, it's the truly ultimate irony that a decision Democrats made in 2013 to cheat the nomination process ends up costing them two supreme court positions and quite likely it's going to cost them three.

Every hole the Republicans put in our political process will be used to the Democrats advantage and every hole the Democrats put in our political process will be used to the Republicans advantage. I think the key lesson that Congress needs to learn is to stop putting holes in our political process. It's almost like there was a good reason why court appointments weren't simple majority in the first place.

I am glad these sorts of decisions require constitutional amendment in Canada.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 23, 2020, 11:58:05 AM »
Don't forget racehorse theory.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 23, 2020, 12:45:40 AM »
And if the democrats take the senate and the presidency then it's also technically within the rules expand the supreme court.  But I suspect you would not be quite as blase during that scenario.

I wouldn't be surprised, as Democrats setting bad precedents that will later be used against them is their bread and butter.



Unfortunately, they never seem to learn. Short term decisions all too often cost them long term gains.

Republican says to always protect against republicans.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: September 21, 2020, 09:04:32 PM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: September 21, 2020, 06:34:06 PM »
Trump's team are just so much funnier than anything the dull Dems have.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/404
Read the thread rules you dong

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: September 21, 2020, 09:50:48 AM »
No lore issue to be explored. It’s just a continuity issue.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 21, 2020, 09:46:30 AM »
If you read it then respond to it. Why do you think McConnell should have done something that hasn't been done since 1888, and something the democrats wouldn't do in that situation?

Because the amount of time passing is irrelevant and not doing something because THEY won’t do it either is immature and because the issue of different parties when nominating is a manufactured conflict.

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He clearly explained the situation, and you guys are here being disingenuous and ignoring it and calling him names.

Lol. Awww poor Mitch.

@honk Threatening to try to try to impeach the president for putting forth a SC nominee is idiotic. POTUS isn’t doing anything illegal, he is absolutely within his rights. More broadly, if you can’t see that your political process is absolutely toxic to the core, I don’t know what to tell you. The amount of strife present in American political discourse just isn’t present in other Western democracies. Brinkmanship is par for the course and you guys need to heal this divide. Calling for civil war, or doing “whatever it takes” to score points back at the GOP isn’t going to do that. As shitty as the Republicans are right now, and as much as a Biden administration is almost certainly going to be an improvement (maybe they will pay attention to the environment), the lack of consensus will continue to spiral your country downwards.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 20, 2020, 11:50:00 PM »
So, I think it doesn’t make sense to delay the appointment of a SC judge because of an election, but Mitch obviously did and now doesn’t for... reasons.


This was McConnell's statement from 2016. Tell me how he is being a hypocrite.



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I read it Tom. If you want to make an argument for Mitch, please go ahead. Otherwise your low content responses will appropriately be ignored.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 20, 2020, 10:23:05 PM »
So, I think it doesn’t make sense to delay the appointment of a SC judge because of an election, but Mitch obviously did and now doesn’t for... reasons. If he gave a reason why that made sense, then so be it. People are allowed to change their minds. Same goes for Lindsay Graham. There is no explanation forthcoming and so blind partisan motivation seems to be the most plausible explanation. This explanation also feels like the most cynical and destructive way to take on the responsibility of public office because it provides no values to push the greater society forward other than selfish gain.

Similarly, Schumer and Pelosi’s saber rattling is a divisive response to a divisive choice and anyone who welcomes civil war is a fucking tool box. People on the right want to blame the left for the current state of affairs and vice versa. Both can make valid points, but probably the biggest issue in US politics is that consensus building has been completely thrown by the wayside throughout government. How can you have a successful pluralistic society that is unable to reach a consensus? I don’t think you can and until that changes, every government that is elected is going to be a clown fiesta.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 20, 2020, 08:29:01 PM »
In Rushy speak this means he has integrity.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: September 20, 2020, 05:11:31 PM »
I’m happy to know these exist.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 20, 2020, 12:23:05 AM »
Lol no.

I can now see why you (incorrectly) believe him to be doing something hypocritical.

And Pelosi would then expose herself as even more of a hypocrite than she already is. Just because Mitch isn’t a cunning hypocrite doesn’t mean he isn’t a hypocrite. Maybe you are too jaded to admit this but a politicians job isn’t to keep power for their party or themselves. It’s to serve the people of the country that elected them.

A government for the people...

He wasn't born into his position. The Republican party won the Senate and that's the party whose interest he is serving. The people who didn't vote for him, unsurprisingly, are upset with his actions. The people who did vote for him, I imagine, are actually quite pleased. This is a fundamental property of democracy.


Mitch McConnell quote famously does jack shit for the generally poor people of Kentucky who voted him in and no matter how cynical your view of politics is, it isn’t his job to serve his parties interests. Just like going for coffee with your boss isn’t your job, but can help you keep your job anyway.

Saying that an action is wrong and then taking that action at the first opportunity is textbook hypocrisy. It’s astounding that you can think otherwise.

EDIT: It’s not even clear Republican voters favor this course of action

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/517238-majority-of-voters-say-trump-should-not-nominate-a-supreme-court

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 19, 2020, 11:36:20 PM »
This is you just excusing their hypocrisy with post-hoc rationalizations. McConnell said it was not fair to the electorate to choose a justice in an election year. He obviously doesn’t give a fuck about the electorate and it would be great if these issues were actually taken seriously. People who don’t give a fuck about their responsibility shouldn’t have a job as a politician.

McConnell's responsibility is ensuring his party has the best position possible moving forward.

Lol no.

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He's doing exactly what his job requires of him. I don't understand why this is surprising or why it's considered hypocrisy. McConnell's behavior is quite predictable and consistent, which wouldn't be the case if he were a hypocrite as so many claim. I would expect someone like Pelosi to behave in precisely the same manner, were she leading in the Senate instead of leading the House.

And Pelosi would then expose herself as even more of a hypocrite than she already is. Just because Mitch isn’t a cunning hypocrite doesn’t mean he isn’t a hypocrite. Maybe you are too jaded to admit this but a politicians job isn’t to keep power for their party or themselves. It’s to serve the people of the country that elected them.

A government for the people...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 19, 2020, 08:03:41 PM »
If Democrats could have nominated and passed a judge in 2016, they would have done so. If Democrats could nominate and pass a judge right now, they would be doing so. A Republican Senate supports Republicans. Everyone please proceed to act shocked and gasp loudly.

Democrats weren't the ones who said a judge shouldn't be nominated in 2016, Republicans did, that's the source of the issue.

Well, yes, Democrats had a president in office while Republicans controlled the Senate. Any nominee would have been inherently a Democrat one. Republicans don't want to confirm Democrat nominees. This isn't a revolutionary revelation.

If Democrats could have nominated and passed a judge in 2016, they would have done so. If Democrats could nominate and pass a judge right now, they would be doing so. A Republican Senate supports Republicans. Everyone please proceed to act shocked and gasp loudly.

Oh yes.  And I'm not saying its not Trump's right to have one.  I mean, Ruth did ask to not pick one until the next President but ignoring that, its his right as President.
Just like it was Obama's right in 2016.  Which the Repubicans ignored.

See, I just hate the Hypocracy. 

It's not hypocrisy based on the fundamental reasons behind it: the Republican senators ensuring that the Republican party maintains control. This is why it's important to never read too literally into what politicians say. Ultimately, they'll say whatever it takes to ensure their party and its constituents receive the most benefit.

Remember how badly Harris criticized Biden during the primaries? Now she's 100% behind him. American politicians will always put party interests first. Always. I'm not saying it's a good thing, I'm just finding it fascinating that "you said a thing four years ago that you're not standing by today!" is at all surprising or even newsworthy.

This is you just excusing their hypocrisy with post-hoc rationalizations. McConnell said it was not fair to the electorate to choose a justice in an election year. He obviously doesn’t give a fuck about the electorate and it would be great if these issues were actually taken seriously. People who don’t give a fuck about their responsibility shouldn’t have a job as a politician.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 19, 2020, 07:41:14 PM »
If Democrats could have nominated and passed a judge in 2016, they would have done so. If Democrats could nominate and pass a judge right now, they would be doing so. A Republican Senate supports Republicans. Everyone please proceed to act shocked and gasp loudly.

Democrats weren't the ones who said a judge shouldn't be nominated in 2016, Republicans did, that's the source of the issue.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 19, 2020, 12:32:00 PM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/obama-mcconnell-ruth-bader-ginsburg-scalia-supreme-court-b491539.html

Every single one of them will not care they said it and none of their supporters will either.

Because they're a bunch of partisan fuckards who should all die.

McConnell has already said he will advance a Trump nominee. What a surprise that he has zero integrity.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 19, 2020, 12:10:54 PM »
Why you post twice?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 19, 2020, 12:08:59 PM »
The rules aren't, and shouldn't be, read like they're legal rights in a court of law.
Interesting. How should they be read?

Like they are rules on an Internet forum moderated by the finest minds of this subnet.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Thork's Jack Russell challenge
« on: September 17, 2020, 09:21:51 PM »
This is a trap of the most Akbarian proportion.  Conflating silly dog blogs with scientific study is silly and saying that producing scientific study on a topic is an Ad Populum fallacy is even sillier.

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