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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What do you think about this map?
« on: January 03, 2021, 06:02:42 PM »I think this would serve as a basis for a story line that would make Lord of the Rings sound like "see Dick run".
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Okay, I can't really miss my opportunity to chime in here. To answer the threads creator, it's not an easy answer. It's almost a little sad really. Why aren't all people and all children told the truth about everything and everybody all the time? Because sometimes that may not benefit the well being of the child or everyone at large.
It's my belief that the round earth phenomenon was propped up after WW2 in an effort to separate two warring bodies of people. The great thing about science is that you don't really need a textbook to get to the truth. And the better news is I think the world is ready for the truth and anything held "top secret" no longer needs to be hidden. The knee jerk reaction we all share when first learning about flat earth theory is slowly fading and a more intelligent/friendly conversation can commence.
I can just also say, learning about other science ideas has not changed me. It's just made me a more understanding person.
Anything that's accelerating is being pushed. Do FE'ers ever speculate as to what's pushing the universe upward.
... or pulling?
...the Earth is not stationary but travelling upwards at by now immense speed, since it is claimed Earth is accelerating upwards at 9.8 ms-2. Apparently everything else we see - sun, moon and stars - is also accelerating at the same rate with the Earth. This is called Universal Acceleration and is this site’s explanation of what the rest of the world calls gravity.If everything is accelerating at the same speed and direction then this 'acceleration' would not be discernible, just like when you are traveling in an airplane at 400 mph along with the plates, napkins, and chairs. There is no sense of motion, thus there would be no 'force' and you would still have to explain gravity. BTW, 'up' would have no meaning.
You may be confusing "acceleration" and "velocity". Humans have no means of detecting velocity (although we sometimes think we can, from clues such as perception of relative movement, engine noise, wind on our face etc). We can, however detect acceleration, using our sense of feeling, sense of self and our inner-ear thingies. When the aeroplane, passengers, chairs and napkins are all travelling at 400 mph then, yes, there is no perception of velocity. When the First Officer bounces the thing onto the runway, however, that is an acceleration of the aeroplane, and all the passengers, chairs and plates feel it.
The FE concept is that UA is accelerating the Earth, and celestial objects at 9.8 m/s/s but not (for some reason) people, animals, buildings, chairs and napkins. So the FE concept of what we Globies call gravity, is that everything on the planet is being pushed up by the earth and that is the effect we feel as gravity.
And as Longtitube said, don't think that everyone who posts on this site is a Flattie; its a forum.
No. The reason the horizon is below eye level is that the person is at a higher altitude. Up is higher than down.
This very well could be true. The problem that I have with that is that there have been documented observations which suggest that the horizon can go up or down with the same altitude. You have to have an open mind. I'm not asking you to believe the earth is flat. I'm not asking you to believe the earth is not round. In this instance, I'm asking that you at least admit that things like refraction, or the path the light takes, can have an effect on the perceived height of the horizon. Once you admit that then any sort of claims about the perceived height of the horizon really should have detailed light path/refraction analysis done to go along with those claims.
See the video below? Notice how, throughout the video, the horizon goes up and down with the altitude staying the same? Time and time again people have some and said that our human perception of the horizon, it going up, it going down, or things disappearing behind it are because the earth is round. Based on that kind of flawed thinking watching the video below would lead you to believe that the earth is changing shape. It goes from being flat to being round. Which i have not found one FE or RE person who believes.
No. Pick any number other than 10,000 km, and the math still holds.Yes, that's how proportionality works, congratulations. How does that resolve your issue of simply making up the currently-unknown factors?But wait, there's more inconvenience to discussNah, we'll deal with your failures one at a time. There will be no need to discuss further consequences of your incorrect assumptions once you've corrected those.
we can easily calculate the area of each hemiplane using A = pi*r squaredThis relies on you substituting many unknowns within FET with your imagination. In conclusion:Does that agree with FE theory?Probably not.
I'm still waiting for an FE believer to explain the purpose of this massive lie that the earth is round.If you do not have anything to add to a thread, do not post in it. Warned.
Apologies if I misnamed it. Let me try again. FET does explain the effect known as gravity by the fact that the flat earth is accelerating upward. Correct?Partially.
(Note: one sees 'farther', not 'further')Not everyone speaks American English. If you'd like to get educated on the historical interchangeability of the two words, as well as the pointlessness of this American grammaranism, I strongly recommend this Merriam-Webster article.No. The reason the horizon is below eye level is that the person is at a higher altitude. Up is higher than down.If your only response is "NUH UH RET IS FACT", then I implore you to stop posting here. If you cannot make a coherent argument, stay out of the upper fora.
The horizon also dips a bit at high altitudes. There is a section on that on the EA page.
https://wiki.tfes.org/Electromagnetic_Acceleration#Horizon_Dip
They don't believe in gravity. They believe in 'gravitation' cause by the earth accelerating 'upward'.Lord, give me patience. If you're going to make statements like these, please try not to state the exact opposite of what's the case.
Once more, for those in the back row:
gravitation - a hypothetical attractive force between bodies with mass, a Round Earther favourite
gravity - the largely undisputed phenomenon of things falling down to Earth
Explained in more detail and in a RE context: https://byjus.com/physics/difference-between-gravitation-and-gravity/
For over 300 years, from the early 1500's to the mid 1800's, cartographers depicted California as an island off the coast of the United States. So I wouldn't be keen to bring up the ancient perfect practice of cartography if I were you.
What makes you think that between the mid 1800's and 1900 everyone in the world decided to stop plagiarizing and actually conduct an accurate exploration of the earth?
From the 1500's to the 1800's California was depicted as an island:
18 Maps From When the World Thought California Was an IslandQuoteGLEN MCLAUGHLIN WANDERED into a London map shop in 1971 and discovered something strange. On a map from 1663 he noticed something he’d never seen before: California was floating like a big green carrot, untethered to the west coast of North America.
He bought the map and hung it in his entryway, where it quickly became a conversation piece. It soon grew into an obsession. McLaughlin began to collect other maps showing California as an island.
“At first we stored them under the bed, but then we were concerned that the cat would pee on them,” he said. Ultimately he bought two cases like the ones architects use to store blueprints, and over the next 40 years filled them up with more than 700 maps, mostly from the 17th and 18th centuries. In 2011, he partly sold and partly donated his collection to Stanford University, which has digitized the maps and created an online exhibition.
The old maps represent an epic cartographic blunder, but they also contain a kernel of truth, the writer Rebecca Solnit argued in a recent essay. “An island is anything surrounded by difference,” she wrote. And California has always been different — isolated by high mountains in the east and north, desert in the south, and the ocean to the west, it has a unique climate and ecology. It’s often seemed like a place apart in other ways too, from the Gold Rush, to the hippies, to the tech booms of modern times.
The idea of California as an island existed in myth even before the region had been explored and mapped. “Around the year 1500 California made its appearance as a fictional island, blessed with an abundance of gold and populated by black, Amazon-like women, whose trained griffins dined on surplus males,” Philip Hoehn, then-map librarian at UC Berkley wrote in the foreword to a catalog of the maps that McLaughlin wrote.
Maps in the 1500s depicted California as a peninsula, which is closer to the truth (the Baja peninsula extends roughly a 1,000 miles south from the present-day Golden State). Spanish expeditions in the early 1600s concluded, however, that California was cut off from the mainland. Maps in those days were carefully guarded state secrets, McLaughlin says. “The story is, the Dutch raided a Spanish ship and found a secret Spanish map and brought it back to Amsterdam and circulated it from there,” he said.
In 1622, the British mathematician Henry Briggs published an influential article accompanied by a map that clearly showed California as an island. Briggs’ map was widely copied by European cartographers for more than a century.
The beginning of the end of California’s island phase came when a Jesuit priest, Eusebio Kino, led an overland expedition across the top of the Sea of Cortez. He wrote a report accompanied by a map in 1705 that cast serious doubt on the idea of California as an island. It took more exploration, but by 1747 King Ferdinand VI of Spain was convinced. He issued a decree stating that California was — once and for all — not an island. It took another century for cartographers to completely abandon the notion.
McLaughlin, who’s now 80, spent most of his career as a venture capitalist in Silicon Valley. He says the maps dominated his home decor for much of the past four decades. But no more. “I do miss them, but it’s time to let them go,” he said. “I’ve had a good long run with them.”