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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Flat Earth Expiremnt
« on: April 13, 2019, 11:19:23 AM »
You can try to figure out the rate at which the Sun appears to move across the sky. See how well that fits with the various flat earth assertions.

I suggest this experiment because it's very easy and convenient to do. Enjoy!

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Observing The Sun
« on: October 03, 2018, 06:02:09 PM »
Yes, I think I hammed that description up a little bit. This experiment is extremely simple, but I'm tempted to make a video for it just to make sure potential points of confusion like this are properly handled.

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Observing The Sun
« on: September 19, 2018, 08:01:49 AM »
A curved path would prove FE. Straight path supports globe.
Unless you find yourself directly underneath the Sun, the path must be curved in RET. Since our friend did not disclose his location, we have to accept his conclusion as very unlikely to support RET.

Also, it's not helpful to jump into a well-developed discussion by just quoting an old post and declaring someone wrong. The points of contention have already been outlined and discussed to some extent. If you have something to add, by all means, do so.
Finally got around to writing this post.

This test works on the premise that the Sun follows different paths for a flat or a heliocentric model.

The heliocentric model states that the day/night cycle is due to the rotation of the Earth. Now, the distance between the ground and the axis of rotation is 6,371km at the equator. The distance between the Sun and Earth, however is approx 150,000,000km, that's *23,544* times further. This means that, despite the fact we're not _exactly_ on the axis of rotation, we're effectively so close to it that we can say the entire Earth is near the middle of the imaginary circle being drawn by the Sun as it moves through the sky.

The flat Earth concept states that the Sun travels above the Earth between the tropics with the centre of its circular path being somewhere directly above the North pole. In other words, we're only at the centre of this imaginary circle drawn by the Sun's path when we're pretty much at the North pole.

Now, acquire something like a hula-hoop or a lid of a cooking pot, just something round. Then, something like this: https://imgur.com/Z9RgwOD - just something that you can turn about an axis. I'll call it a pointer.

Position your pointer directly under the centre of the circle. Position it so that its axis of rotation (the lower stick in the image) points at the centre of the circle while the upper stick points at the edge. You can now rotate your pointer and you'll note that it always points at the edge, no matter how much you turn it.

Now move the pointer so it's NOT directly under the centre of the circle, maybe directly under and edge or even outside it.  Now try turning it. Notice something? Your pointer will only have a couple of incidental angles where it points at the edge of the circle. No matter how you try to orient it, it can never trace the edge of the circle the whole way round.

We can use this fact to tell whether the Sun is very far away or local.

We need an equatorial mount. You can buy one if you want or you can just make something simple and dirty like the following. Try to build something like this: https://imgur.com/rL6CDb1 - build it out of whatever you like. The important part is at the top - I'll call this the pointer. You need to be able to rotate the top section, it needs two vertical posts and each post needs a tab attached. The idea is that you can align the two vertical posts and two tabs such that their shadows align, like so: https://imgur.com/CJc6n3G - notice that they all align to look like the shadow of a cross on the wall.

Now for the actual test. This can be done any time of day, any day of the year, anywhere in the world so long as you can actually see the Sun. You'll need a compass, a spirit level, a protractor and something to rest your equatorial mount on. Use your compass to find North and South. You'll want your mount to be as closely aligned to North-South as possible. Next, find out your latitude. A GPS app will do. Tilt your mount so that the axis is tilted North/South an equal amount as your latitude. eg, if you're 50°N, then you'll need to tilt your axis 50° towards the North. Next, align the two vertical posts. Next, align the tabs so you get the cross formation I mentioned earlier.

Every few minutes (just about anything is fine, could be 5min or 60 - it's up to you), check the alignment with the Sun. Rotate your pointer so the vertical posts align. Notice that you will not need to adjust the tabs for the remainder of the day, indicating that you're pointing at the Sun while only rotating about a single independent axis of motion.

There you have it. Irrefutable proof that the Sun is very far away and not a mere few thousand miles above the surface of the Earth.

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Observing The Sun
« on: August 27, 2018, 10:45:46 PM »
3. The sun follows a straight line from sunrise in the East across the sky, to sunset in the West.
This observation cannot be correct under your model of choice. Congratulations, you have taken the first step on your long journey of dismantling the globularist agenda!
Wrong. Totally and utterly completely backwards wrong.

A curved path would prove FE. Straight path supports globe.

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: 1/3 of millennials not sure if earth is round
« on: April 18, 2018, 05:18:33 PM »
His experiment was flawless.
Wrong.
• He failed to detail how he measured the angle of the sun in either location.
• He performed the test at noon, not midday.
• He failed to pinpoint the location of the Brighton coast measurement.
• His measurements suggested the sun was directly over the middle of France which is impossible.

In science, any test, no matter how certain we are of its outcome, should be repeated several times.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of The Sun
« on: April 18, 2018, 05:14:51 AM »
It seems it's not even an organisational problem. Dealing with the distance from the sun issue is as easy as going outside and measuring midday shadows. This can be done with a protractor in a pinch, but a more accurate test using a plumb line and a tray of water is also very easy to do.

Anyone doing such a test can confirm the consistency of RE while also showing the complete lack of consistency if FE.

The process is so easy and accessible there's no excuse not to do it for anyone that wishes to see for themselves whether the earth is round or flat.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of The Sun
« on: April 14, 2018, 08:12:40 AM »
Dr Rowbotham has measured the distance already.
You realise that his experiment had the sun 400 miles south of London, somewhere directly over France, right?
Why do you think it's always so sunny there?

Could you measure the speed of the sun by radar by the way? No idea if that would work.
Apparently the sun does emit some radio waves. I suppose you could set up a narrow scope detector to trace its position as it arcs across the sky. However, this is only angular velocity, which can be done by eye. It's a lot of effort to tell us something we already know.

In terms of using similar technology to actually detect distance, I'm not entirely sure you'd get a reflection off the surface of the sun.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of The Sun
« on: April 12, 2018, 11:41:04 AM »
Dr Rowbotham has measured the distance already.
You realise that his experiment had the sun 400 miles south of London, somewhere directly over France, right?

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Theories is all we have
« on: April 11, 2018, 05:29:48 AM »
Dr Rowbotham or a blogger? Yeah, I'm going with Dr Rowbotham.

Also it is less than 700 miles.
Prove it. Shouldn't take long.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Theories is all we have
« on: April 10, 2018, 08:47:49 PM »
We don't have theories, we have solid facts. Dr Rowbotham was able to prove how flat earth works. His experiments were solid and this is proved in calculating the true distance of the sun and moon.
Ever taken a crack at calculating that distance yourself? Dr Rowbotham claimed that the sun couldn't be more than 800 miles from the surface of the earth. This FE blogger however, figured it to be 6,200 miles:

https://savageplane.wordpress.com/2017/03/28/calculating-the-distance-to-the-sun/

Would love to see your take.

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