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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 30, 2017, 04:30:18 AM »

That is just a projection of a globe for illustration purposes. Why are you arguing against a map no one put work into creating?

It is the same one that the UN uses.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 30, 2017, 04:15:30 AM »

They need to make the flight times look like the would on a round earth. They just list the scheduled arrival time that is needed to make the time look legitimate.

If more time is needed, they just post delayed flight at the arriving airport. The airlines are also more than happy to fly slower than normal cruise speed to save fuel.

The posted flight times will only work on a globe if the earth really was a globe or all the posted times were manipulated by NASA to make the earth seem like a globe.

If you are not in the cockpit, you can not trust the flight times.

could you not turn a on a timer on your phone as you get on? I have previously done this/ checked the actual hours multiple times on transatlantic flights between north america and europe and have never found a disparity!

Of course, you could. There are simply too many witnesses. The only way to make it work is to make it round.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 29, 2017, 07:36:07 PM »

Your green route is good as it shows the even longer flight path that would have to be taken to fool the passengers with a departure over water, not land.

There was an incredible amount of data listed on FlightAware.com. They list the distances, so I don't see any reason to try and calculate it from gate time and flight speeds -- but expected taxing times are also listed.

I think that all my aircraft are different, and I'm sure that will be criticised. Does not matter anyway - I used the posted/flown distances.

I knew we would eventually get around to the truth.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 29, 2017, 07:20:31 PM »

um. . . the earth must be round.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 29, 2017, 06:45:02 PM »

The map was scaled for a 7310-mile flight from Hong Kong to Las Angeles.

All other distances are measured as indicated and are wrong.

In addition, the flight paths are wrong. On MEL-SCL, the aircraft departs Melbourne and flies Southeasterly over the ocean.  The flight path does not fly over Texas. Upon arrival, the Boeing 787-9 approaches Santiago from the Southwest.



The farther south the flight path, the more error is introduced.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 29, 2017, 04:07:17 PM »

Try and chart this flight on a Flat Earth model.

LAN Airlines 804
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA to SANTIAGO, CHILE
12h 12m total flight time
7,092 Miles.

Boeing 787-9 (twin-jet) (B789)



Yes, this data is from flightaware.com

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 29, 2017, 02:43:10 PM »

Honest question for you and other FEers: what are your opinions/thoughts on flight tracking apps like Flight Aware?

That would depend on whether the flight date is computer compiled data or computer generated data. Their display is based on a Round Earth Model.

The real question about this thread should be the validity of direct observations or the practice of using intermediate data that only implies the geometry in question. A second or third generation of indirect observations is made when gate times are used to calculate aircraft speed and consistency between different origins and destinations.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 29, 2017, 02:16:16 AM »

If you are not in the cockpit, you can not trust the flight times.

What’s so special about the cockpit?  Why can passengers not trust flight times?  I myself have taken two trips from Portland to Vienna, the flight times matched the published times.

How fast is the aircraft flying through the air? What is the ground speed? Are they flying point to point or do they have to fly around foreign airspace or restricted military airspace? Did they reduce speed drastically or put into a holding pattern.

Using the takeoff and landing times will be much better than departure and arrival times, but we still have all the above unknowns.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 28, 2017, 03:25:53 PM »

They need to make the flight times look like the would on a round earth. They just list the scheduled arrival time that is needed to make the time look legitimate.

If more time is needed, they just post delayed flight at the arriving airport. The airlines are also more than happy to fly slower than normal cruise speed to save fuel.

The posted flight times will only work on a globe if the earth really was a globe or all the posted times were manipulated by NASA to make the earth seem like a globe.

If you are not in the cockpit, you can not trust the flight times.

Hmmm, that's odd. I geocache and use GPS to find the location of caches. It works amazingly well. Soooooo....yeah.

Do satellites exist? If yes, then the earth is round and the GPS system identifies the location of your geocache on the globe.

If satellites don't exist and the earth is flat, then radio stations broadcast a signal that makes the flat earth appear to be a globe while at the same time providing a coordinate that does work to locate your geocache on a flat earth.

A similar manipulation would have to be accomplished with flight times and distances. Even GPS distances can be faked to match the Globe overlay to the flat earth. One way or the other is false.

The burden  of proof is on you.  Show evidence that any one of your statements is true.

I provided two contradictory options. One of them is not true.

GPS receives operate on radio signals. There must be transmitted somewhere. Either terrestrial or from space. Either 2D earth or 3D earth.

I would be interested in any additional options that you have.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 28, 2017, 03:03:55 PM »

Hmmm, that's odd. I geocache and use GPS to find the location of caches. It works amazingly well. Soooooo....yeah.

Do satellites exist? If yes, then the earth is round and the GPS system identifies the location of your geocache on the globe.

If satellites don't exist and the earth is flat, then radio stations broadcast a signal that makes the flat earth appear to be a globe while at the same time providing a coordinate that does work to locate your geocache on a flat earth.

A similar manipulation would have to be accomplished with flight times and distances. Even GPS distances can be faked to match the Globe overlay to the flat earth. One way or the other is false.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 28, 2017, 02:07:08 PM »

They need to make the flight times look like the would on a round earth. They just list the scheduled arrival time that is needed to make the time look legitimate.

If more time is needed, they just post delayed flight at the arriving airport. The airlines are also more than happy to fly slower than normal cruise speed to save fuel.

The posted flight times will only work on a globe if the earth really was a globe or all the posted times were manipulated by NASA to make the earth seem like a globe.

If you are not in the cockpit, you can not trust the flight times.

Please explain. Flight times match distances and GPS receivers confirm speed.

The date is being harvested from scheduled flight times, correct? That date is submitted and approved by the Government.

In an FE universe, the GPS data is also faked to provide a round earth conspiracy.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 28, 2017, 12:18:02 PM »

They need to make the flight times look like the would on a round earth. They just list the scheduled arrival time that is needed to make the time look legitimate.

If more time is needed, they just post delayed flight at the arriving airport. The airlines are also more than happy to fly slower than normal cruise speed to save fuel.

The posted flight times will only work on a globe if the earth really was a globe or all the posted times were manipulated by NASA to make the earth seem like a globe.

If you are not in the cockpit, you can not trust the flight times.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 28, 2017, 11:28:20 AM »

Another suggestion is to use all foreign flights.

All the Gate times in the US are controlled by the FAA, which is controlled by NASA. Same goes for anything in Europe because of the European Space Agency.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 28, 2017, 01:30:55 AM »

I don't know of a better FE map than the one in your OP.

If you can find a fake globe, measure the distances over/under the south part of their globe. See how that lines up with your pair of cities on the north part of the ball.

Do the same with your FE model. The errors should become immediately apparent.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flight Times in a Flat Earth

« on: December 27, 2017, 11:40:58 PM »

I would think that the first step would be to prove that the round earth model is wrong. This will help you develop a viable FE theory to accomplish the same task.

All of the flat maps for the Round Earth model are distorted and cannot be trusted anywhere beyond a city map. Get some string and stretch it between your first two cities on their proposed Globe. The string will automatically follow what they call a "Great Circle Route." On an FE Map, It is easy to see that a flight from Tokyo to Los Angeles never goes across the center of the ocean but goes near Alaska. Their RE Great Circle Route was created to show a similar flight path. Put knots in the string for each city.

Then you can take that same string and put the two knots over the other two cities in the southern hemisphere that have the same flight time (and speed). The knots cannot line up on their RE if it is fake.  You can get a new string and do the same for your pair of cities on a FE map.

Let me know if this helped. Tell us what you find out.