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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Astronomy Still Uses Epicycles
« on: September 03, 2025, 09:47:24 AM »
Epicycles are simply "a small circle whose centre moves round the circumference of a larger one".
Of course astronomy still uses epicycles because that's how the universe works. The earth orbits around the sun, and the moon orbits around the earth.
On a larger scale the sun orbits the galactic centre.

The mistake in astronomy pre-Copernicas was to think that everything revolved around the earth. When planets were observed in retrograde motion epicycles were added to attempt to correct that. It's not that epicycles themselves are wrong, it's just that they chose the wrong ones. And they did that because:

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Geocentrism lasted so long because priests and philosophers decided that the Earth’s placement in time and space had implications for its spiritual importance. That made accepting heliocentrism anathema on a deeper level than science, which is the reason so many smart people toiled to preserve something whose falsity was increasingly obvious for centuries

That's a quote from one of your articles above, Tom.

You say "The models of Astronomy are still in the stone age", but they demonstrably work. They're not perfect by any means, but they've got us to the moon, they've got probes to all the other planets. They enable us to make predictions on all kinds of astronomical events. There's a lunar eclipse on Sunday. You can find out where and when to see it at your location, you can then make an observation and compare that to the prediction.

Now all you have to do is use your flat earth model to make your own prediction, see how well it compares with the predictions made using mainstream astronomy and you can see how well it matches up with the observations. Then we can talk about which model better matches the reality. Good luck! You've got a few days before Sunday so you can post your predictions here if you like, showing your workings.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 21, 2025, 07:12:17 AM »
lol. Imagine taking notes on democracy from Vladimir Putin.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2025, 06:02:19 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvd3gkg1po

Wasn’t he going to sort this out in one day?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 02, 2025, 07:18:38 AM »
Isn't there supposed to be some old saying about not shooting the messenger?
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/trump-orders-termination-labor-statistics-official-after-jobs-report-downward-revisions
I saw that this morning and laughed out loud.
Trump swans around shouting "TARIFF!" at anyone who moves, spooking the markets and then fires the person who tells him that's what he did.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 01, 2025, 05:56:40 AM »
Trump is currently threatening a minimum of 10-20% tariffs on every nation that trades with the US. I think it's ridiculous. We need at least 200% tariffs if we're going to truly and finally leave the rest of the very undeveloped world out in the cold.

Agreed.  Just think how much money the US will make when all those countries pay the high tariff! <-said many Trump supporters
Just think of all the manufacturing we can bring back with all of that sweet tariff money. 🤑
Look, dummies, you just need to start producing your own bananas


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 31, 2025, 02:39:15 PM »
He actually said that he changed his mind
By complete coincidence when his crimes finally caught up with him and he started to be investigated himself.

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You also need to look up the definition of cult. You are using that word incorrectly.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 31, 2025, 08:50:25 AM »
In fairness, the question was too vague and could be used against him.
I realise that.
I was mostly fishing for Tom, he always bites.

It must be confusing being in the MAGA Cult. Trump says taking the fifth is "Disgraceful" then does it himself.
The first rule of MAGA Club is Trump is always right (the second rule is...similar).
So you have to believe all the contradictory stuff Trump spouts. It must be exhausting.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 31, 2025, 08:32:05 AM »
So if any UK denizens here want to insist on their principles that silence suggests or equates to guilt

"If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"
- Donald J Trump.

"If you are innocent, do not remain silent. You look guilty as hell!"
- Donald J Trump

You probably need to explain this to your cult leader too :)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 30, 2025, 10:16:54 PM »
This is a terrible take.
From the man who is trying to pretend that a caddy trying (and hilariously failing) to subtly drop a ball was actually Trump taking a drop.
Chuckle.

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He also pled the 5th on almost every question
He seemed happy enough to answer the question about whether they socialised   :).
I wonder why he wouldn’t answer the one about whether they socialised with under 18 year old females? Why not just say no?
Or if the answer was yes and it was perfectly innocent, like with a relative as you suggest, then say that.
Unless… :)

I wonder what Trump thinks about people taking the fifth?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-62499027

D’oh!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 30, 2025, 09:41:13 PM »
Remember when Epstein was asked about this and took the 5th?

Question: “Have you ever socialised with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18”

Epstein: “Though I’d like to answer that question at least today I’m going to have to assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment rights, sir”

I think that clears this up once and for all, now can we all move on from this Epstein nonsense? There’s clearly nothing to see here.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 30, 2025, 09:14:05 AM »
I honestly think it's ridiculous that anyone is wasting time analyzing this video or discussing whether or not it truly constitutes cheating.
I don't think anyone but Tom is doing that. To all normal people it's clear what happened, and Trump's long and pathetic history of cheating at golf is well documented from many sources. I think that is relevant because it speaks to his character, and I happen to think the character of our leaders is important. But this particular incident, people are just taking the piss because it's obvious what happened and it's funny. Only Tom is trying to turn it in to a debate because he's a troll or a contrarian or so deep in the cult he will twist anything that speaks ill of his "dear leader".

I don't think the Epstein stuff is going away and it's the first thing which even the MAGA cult are split about.
For years they've been going on about how Trump will "drain the swamp" and release the files. The fact he won't speaks volumes.
The revelation from Trump that he fell out with Epstein because Epstein poached one of his staff is a hilarious own goal.
His increasingly desperate attempts to deflect from it only make people focus on it more.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 29, 2025, 05:03:13 PM »
There is also an optional Local Rule which provides an alternative to stroke and distance relief when it is in effect. This Local Rule is recommended for casual play and not for competitions involving highly-skilled players. If it is in effect, for two penalty strokes, you can estimate the spot where your ball is lost or went out of bounds and then find the nearest fairway edge that is not nearer the hole than the estimated spot. You can drop a ball.
You forgot to quote the rule where your caddy may chuck a ball down casually while walking as if he's performing a magic trick and hoping no-one sees him.

 :D

But well done for seeing 5 fingers when you're looking at 4. There's a good cult member, pats head

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 29, 2025, 11:26:44 AM »
"Privilege"



What a strange word to use. He is an odd man.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 29, 2025, 07:02:27 AM »
Where is your evidence that cheating is occurring here?
lol

The psychology of Trump is interesting, as is the psychology of his cult members who pretend they can't see what's in front of their nose so they can do anything other than find any fault in their cult leader.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 28, 2025, 09:20:10 AM »
Trump cheating at golf is well know to everyone except MAGA.
I'm really interested in the psychology at play here. Must people want to win, but they want to do so fairly, otherwise you haven't really won.
But he doesn't care, so long as he wins he doesn't care if he's cheated to do so. It's like all the "club championships" he's won. I mean...he hasn't

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/apr/02/donald-trump-golf-28-club-championships

So...does he some how convince himself he really has won? it's the psychology of a child.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 28, 2025, 07:59:02 AM »
Chuckle.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 28, 2025, 07:58:45 AM »
Technically, just because she wasn’t charged doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a crime.  It just means that there wasn’t a crime that the prosecutor felt was worth prosecuting.  You know, like most of the crimes that everyone knows that Trump committed but hasn’t been charged with.
Well, I guess that's all true. It's just a bit weird that Tom keeps calling what O'Donnell a crime when his own article says there was unlikely to be any case to prosecute here and she was never even charged. And it exposes his complete hypocrisy, when he defends someone who is an adjudicated rapist, I'd argue that's a significantly worse crime.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 25, 2025, 06:39:06 AM »
Nor did anyone force her to commit a crime as a joke.
She didn’t commit a crime. Why do you keep lying about that? Your own article says that. She was never prosecuted, she was never even charged.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 20, 2025, 09:12:17 PM »
If Rosie O'Donnell did nothing wrong, then why are you simultaneously attempting to justify her actions by comparing her to allegations against Donald Trump?
When it came to bribery I actually compared her actions to Musk's.
O'Donnell made a joke which changed no-one's vote.
Musk really did pay people for voting on something the way he wanted them to. What do you think of that?

I wouldn't go so far as to say O'Donnell did nothing wrong, but it's clear her Tweets were not criminal. Your own article says that. And the article is from 2017 so if she was going to be charged for anything then she would have been by now. And that is your basis for having her citizenship removed. It's laughable and has no basis in reality, let alone law.

But my main point, which you are continuing to ignore, is your utter hypocrisy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 19, 2025, 09:40:31 PM »
I see AATW and Honk defending Rosie O'Donnell's actions by trying to point the finger elsewhere.
Well, no. There's only one "action" which you are now clinging to. You quickly abandoned your other claims about her when I pointed out the first part of your rant was just "Rosie doesn't believe the same things I do, I don't like her politics so she is bad". And the second part was "She said a mean thing which I have elsewhere defended her right to".
So now all you are left with is some Tweets which were clearly intended to be humorous and which didn't change anyone's vote anyway.
That's the best you've got?

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Also, committing crimes as a joke isn't a workable defense.

You're the one claiming she committed a crime. But:

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Under 18 U.S. Code § 201, bribing a member of Congress is, indeed, a crime. The statute prohibits anyone from "corruptly" offering "anything of value to any public official" with the intent to influence the official or an official act.

The word "corruptly" is key, because in this context it means the accused must have the "intent to influence" a public official. In a hypothetical bribery case against O'Donnell over her tweets, the prosecution would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that O'Donnell acted "corruptly," with "intent to influence" the senators.

This would be a tough standard to meet, especially because of O'Donnell's status as a comedian and frequent—and quite vocal—political commentator. She could and would likely assert that her tweets were not seriously publicly offering money to senators but were intended to be hyperbole, political commentary and/or performance art illustrating that "there is a price," in reference to her claims that "THEY BRIBED [Tennessee Senator Bob] CORKER AND COLLINS" and that "they have been paid obviously."

In other words, O'Donnell could argue she didn't tweet "corruptly" but rather tweeted to point out what she perceived to be corruption involved with GOP tax bill votes.

That is a quote from the article YOU LINKED TO. Your own article casts doubt on any criminality. That article was from 2017. If my maths is right  that's 8 years ago.
So...was she convicted of any crime? Was she even charged? No, and no.

So no, I'm defending her actions on the basis that she clearly didn't do anything criminal no matter how loudly you keep shouting that she did.
And while I'm doing that I'm also pointing out your utter hypocrisy for pointing out splinters in O'Donnell's eyes - which are mostly your fevered imagination anyway - and ignoring the bloody great logs in Trump and Musk's eyes. This is why people don't take you seriously. You're either so deep in the cult you cannot be reasoned with. Or you are just a contrarian who frequently contradicts himself just to have an argument.

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