1

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace

« on: December 02, 2017, 09:32:22 PM »

Before people start fighting me over the subject, I first want to say that actually I am a Christian and I go to church every Sunday and participate in many of the church's activities. However, I am really convinced that if we go back the moment humans were created on this earth, and take away every religion, there will be world peace... I don't know about you but I would really love to know your opinions.

No, because if you have Nutella and I didn't have Nutella, you would catch these hands and I would take the Nutella for myself. However, existence wouldn't exist if existence didn't first exist. So, which came first: The chicken or the egg?" If we identify God as the chicken and existence as the egg, then the chicken came before the egg. But if the egg came first, then there would be no chicken to incubate the egg and the egg couldn't be. So if you take the Creator out of the picture, the creation could not create itself and the whole premise falls apart.

More to your exact point, without religion people would find other reasons to quarrel. If you think religion is the only reason to get in a heated debate (or a war (haha)) you should try pushing someones buttons on the issues of racial inequality (White Supremacy, Black Lives Matter, White Privilege, ect.), the ability to decide your gender and project your beliefs on the general public (I have chosen to identify as a Thick & Rich Eggo Waffle. You need to use the right pronouns now. Thank you.), whether homosexuality should be recognized as a valid marriage, and most recently, Flat Earth vs. Round Earth. I'm being flippant about these issues to show how easily beliefs can be targeted and triggered. Religion is just one means of segregation. It shouldn't be, but it is.

Thick & Rich Eggo Waffle out.

2

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Religion in Relation to the Flat Earth Theory

« on: December 02, 2017, 08:55:01 PM »

(Just a heads up, I am entering this discussion with a Biblical perspective. I am evaluating facts in relation to the text of the Bible. However, I am willing and wanting to hear other varying opinions and perspectives. Each are worthy and valid in their own right.)

Hey! Extremely brief backstory: I grew up in church and always avoided the Old Testament of the Bible because it was dense, irrelevant and confusing. Occasionally I would skim through to feel like I was extra spiritual for suffering through the extensive genealogies, but would never stay longer than I had to. This year I heard a comment about NASA never leaving "low earth orbit" and it introduced me to the "conspiracy" rabbit hole which eventually led me to Flat Earth. This prompted me to revisit Genesis, Job, Exodus, and all of those chapters of the text I avoided and really see what the Bible said and supported.

I found that the Biblical text aligns itself more with the Flat Earth dome model than the heliocentric model.  It also showed me why it is so hard for people to accept the Bible as truth. How can something be true when it gets the most fundamental thing, the shape of earth, wrong?  I wrestled with that question for the past few months and I am more inclined to believe the Bible.  Not out of a fear of having my belief disrupted, but out of a analysis of the integrity and character of the sources of knowledge. What I mean is that the Bible, the people, stories, prophesies ring true throughout. (And yes, I thoroughly vetted the text before accepting it as truth.) NASA, the U.S. government, and the media have been caught lying, stealing, cheating time and time again. This could seem like a biased conclusion, but "if they'll lie about the small things, then they'll lie about the big things." I don't believe everything is a hoax, but I do believe common sense has been a dormant source of reasoning for far too long now. 

That's what I've found anyway. How does the Flat Earth Theory effect you and your religious beliefs? Does it support them or call them in to question?

3

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moonphases, and other questions

« on: December 02, 2017, 08:23:02 PM »

Hey! I don't have the answers to these questions, but one observation I have made is that everything we know today as common knowledge and fact is born of the round earth model. So, there are endless possibilities as to why certain things are the way the are. We look for solutions to processes we observe in relation to the round earth belief. If the earth isn't round then things could have any number of unexplored solutions and explanations.

The problem we face having lived with this round earth model is that even when we consider new truths, like flat earth for example, we are still trying to make round earth theories fit a flat earth model and it doesn't work.

From what I've seen so far, earths processes and such make more sense on a flat model. However, the solar processes make more sense in a round model. 

4

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Necessary evidence

« on: December 02, 2017, 08:25:45 AM »

I'm pretty much in the middle right now. Flat earth makes enough sense to raise questions and round earth tells me to completely believe scientists and trust that they never BS any of their findings.

I find it hard to trust and government funded/affiliated source. I have my reasons and they are irrelevant to this discussion. I'd like to just go up in a spaceship and check it out for myself.

It'd also be cool if the NASA videos didn't look like they were being held up in harnesses. My critical thinking mind goes, "cirque du soleil?"

5

Flat Earth Theory / Re: What if your "rocket research"

« on: December 02, 2017, 08:19:15 AM »

I'm new to this whole thing, but hey, I'll answer this question. The way I see it is like this, "in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king." You haven't been to space. I haven't walked on the moon. So, I have no proof that the earth is round. Because I can't very well hop in a spaceship and go do backflips on the moon, I am forced to trust scientists and believe that what the say is true. They control the narrative regarding space. They are the authority on all things space.

We live in a culture that glorifies the scientific world view. This world view champions scientific proof over any other source of reason. You can even seen hints of that world view in my disbelief in NASA's narrative about space.
If I say I saw an alien, someone would ask for a video proof with a time stamp. Maybe a selfie with the alien. Some form of irrefutable evidence.

Through mindset all information is processed. For me personally, there are too many questionable statements that are paraded around as truth. There are a lot of weird things to find when you dig in to the history of NASA and other space programs. Simply put, there is enough discrepancy to warrant reasonable doubt.

Do I believe the world is flat. No.

Do I believe the world is round. No.

Until I find suitable evidence, I am staying curious and skeptical.

So, will I be embarrassed if the world is round? Nope.

Why? Because I had the balls to challenge the status quo. This isn't teenage angst (outgrew that years ago, haha.).
This is using common sense to seek answers when things don't add up.

...but

If the world is flat... or anything other than round. Oh boy, I will laugh so hard. Because yes, FE'ers look crazy right now, but if they are right and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong... Wow. Now THAT would be embarrassing.

That's my opinion anyway.

6

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Solar Eclipse

« on: December 02, 2017, 07:53:38 AM »

Hmm. Before we begin, here are three simple premises to agree upon and keep in mind.

1. I'm new to this FET vs. RET discussion.
2. I don't have all of the answers.
3. Neither do any of you.

In my opinion, unless you have "walked on the moon" and seen first hand that the earth is a ball, it is foolish to accept that as absolute and irrefutable truth. So, for people to heatedly argue and debate things that may or may not be true is quite dumb. Sure you have NASA, but, to quote the song Belief by John Mayer, "when they own the information, they can bend it all they want." You don't know anything for certain. I think the predisposition that the apposing party you are discussing a topic with is wrong is the height of ignorance. It closes you off to reaching any new understanding.

If we are all seeking the truth about what we live on, shouldn't it be a collective effort of presenting and fleshing out topics, arguments and counter-arguments?

Seems primitive to have such an unproductive discussion full of petty jabs and inflated egos.

Also, how hard is it to admit either side doesn't have the answer to everything? Are we that arrogant to think we know how everything works? Data and research are objected to subjective interpretation.

It comes down to a fundamental belief system. Science and logic have been conducted under the premise that the earth is round. All of it will make sense as long as the earth is round. However, IF the earth is flat, science no longer makes sense because it was not conducted under the understanding of a flat earth.

Ultimately, looking in to this FET vs. RET thing shows that there are holes in both theories. Things that neither side can explain beyond a shadow (pun intended) of a doubt.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts and response to this goofy thread. Carry on.