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Flat Earth Theory / Flat Earth: Change My Mind

« on: March 26, 2018, 01:56:37 PM »

Afternoon all! Round earther here. I was wondering if any visiting flat earthers would be up for a good old one on one debate- through social media or the like. I have my opinions on the subject as they stand but I implore you to change my mind. Hope to hear from you! Just drop a reply if you're interested.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of light

« on: November 21, 2017, 08:05:23 PM »

Very true... congrats on 1000th post!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of light

« on: November 21, 2017, 09:46:51 AM »

Assumptions are not true until proven false.
"Unicorns exist."
"Batman is real."
"I am secretly a turtle in disguise, learning about your species to better the regime."
"Every time you drop an apple, there is a 0.000000000000000000000000001% chance that it won't fall."
You can't just make a claim and say, prove me wrong. Without evidence, it doesn't mean anything.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of light

« on: November 20, 2017, 08:01:35 PM »

I can't pretend to be well-read on Special relativity so I'll take your word for it. I'd still appreciate some explanation for the endless, mysterious force causing this constant acceleration of the entire universe before I'm fully convinced though!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Proof?

« on: November 20, 2017, 04:33:04 PM »

See, my main problem with this is that it is entirely a circular argument. You can't prove that the Earth is flat- or come up with evidence to support the Earth being flat- by starting "the Earth is flat, therefore..."; you can't support a conclusion using that very same conclusion as a premise. And then of course, the "it looks flat" is just plain ridiculous. I'm hoping I can find someone who can provide me at least a slightly more compelling case. A man can dream!
I'll check out the Experimental Evidence page, though. Perhaps that will be more enlightening.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of light

« on: November 20, 2017, 04:29:21 PM »

I think we're starting to see eye to eye. The problem is that in this "crazy-pants universe" gravity does not exist, and gravity is the driving force between the "smaller objects have to go faster" effect- which is on a spectrum all the way from no gravity = no dilation to infinite gravity = infinite dilation. This means that in a universe with no gravity, time dilation would never occur, and therefore uniform acceleration of the Earth would approach, and exceed, the speed of light with no questions asked. It can be going as fast as it wanted and time dilation would not take place because there would be no gravity to contribute to the combination effect.
This is why Einstein's principles cannot support a flat earth model or a universe in which gravity does not exist.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Proof?

« on: November 20, 2017, 02:03:25 PM »

I have checked the wiki- it doesn't contain a shred of proof or evidence, only makes claims to explain what the average Flat Earther's beliefs are. That's fine and all, but I want to hear from people WHY they believe these claims- matter of personal opinion- and what EVIDENCE they have for them- factual or scientific information.
I haven't found either of these on the forums so far. I've found plenty of arguments claiming to have evidence against RE, but none proposing evidence for FE which is what interests me.

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Flat Earth Theory / Proof?

« on: November 20, 2017, 11:48:01 AM »

Hey all,
I was just wondering if some FEs could explain to me why they believe in the Flat Earth model, and what- if any- proof they have of any claims regarding the operations of this world model.
Many thanks.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of light

« on: November 20, 2017, 11:45:50 AM »

Actually, if you care to head on over to the Wikipedia page for time dilation- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation#Combined_effect_of_velocity_and_gravitational_time_dilation
You'll see that you are indeed correct- time dilation can be caused by both motion and mass- but the end result is a combined effect of the two- without one, the other cannot exist. It even gives the "combined effect" equation on the page, which interestingly is based off of the generally accepted model of our solar system and is incredibly accurate, which in itself gives fantastic evidence for a round-earth model. Of course Round Earthers would argue that uniform acceleration would never reach the speed of light- as long as gravity is accepted to exist, then this holds completely true as you will always be under the effect of gravitation from a celestial body of some kind, and gravity does indeed exist.
I'm not too sure where you got your equation from- it seems like it may be a simplified version of the equation to find the velocity constant in the equation, rather than the overall effect, though that's just my assumption through comparison with the wiki site- but it is indeed a combination effect.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of light

« on: November 19, 2017, 11:59:36 AM »

If you want it really spelled out, objects like black holes with incredibly high gravity experience time dilation even when moving slowly due to the multiplicative effect of their gravity. A smaller object like a planet has to move much closer to the speed of light to experience dilation, and an object with no gravity would never experience any. Gravity is a key part of the equation to find time dilation- at least according to Einstein's theories- and so to use those same theories to try to disprove gravity or support a model in which gravity doesn't exist DOES NOT HOLD WEIGHT.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of light

« on: November 19, 2017, 11:55:08 AM »

This is just plain wrong. I'm sorry but the time dilation effect is a multiplicative effect based on the gravity of the object. Put simply, and ignoring the constant of proportion, you could imagine the equation to be time dilation = speed X gravity (this is not the actual equation, don't nitpick). An object travelling at near light speed would have time dilation proportional to its gravity- an object of higher mass experiences more time dilation than that of a lower mass in accordance with the basic principles of gravitation. Without gravity, time dilation as explained in the theory of relativity does not and cannot exist, regardless of the speed of an object. To suggest that the Theory of Relativity could in any way benefit or support a Flat Earth model or disprove gravity is wholly preposterous.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of light

« on: November 18, 2017, 10:32:19 AM »

I'm terribly sorry, but Einstein's theory of General Relativity is entirely dependant upon gravity, and the time-stretch effect of fast-moving objects is dependant entirely upon the gravity of said objects- it's a multiplicative effect. Hence, Einstein's theory is only applicable to a round-earth, generally accepted model and is not compatible with anything to do with the Flat Earth theory or a model of the Universe in which gravity does not exist. A Flat Earther cannot use the theory of Relativity as a method of proving their theory of Universal Acceleration, that's preposterous.

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Flat Earth Theory / One on one discussion/debate?

« on: November 17, 2017, 09:04:33 AM »

Hey guys,
Round Earther here, interested to know and understand more about your beliefs in the Flat Earth Theory. As an outsider, I would be very interested to have a discussion regarding the shape of the earth with someone who's views differ from mine, as well as to understand other viewpoints better. Anyone fancy a one on one discussion/debate? I'd love to hear from you, and there are plenty of places to contact me if so.
Thanks, I look forward to hearing from you.