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Therefore Gary, you are part who of the conspiracy to discredit the flat earth community, otherwise, by your own admission, you wouldn’t be here.
I’m sure Mrs Warren is getting lots of material for her study on conspiracy theorists!
Hi Mrs Warren
I am a round earther but I feel bad that no-one has responsed to you yet. I joined this site having been brought up being told earth was a ball but with an open mind.
To be fair I have had lots of questions answered by flat earth believers and they took the time to explain their points of view but.........there were too many questions that remain unanswered and there has been nothing that constitutes evidence to doubt the globe. I think 3DGeek, Douglips and others have bee relentless lately in their onslaughts on RE proofs and the flat earthers are hibernating.........
I’ve kinda lost track on the current FE theory of space. However, what’s the explanation for meteor showers ?
https://www.space.com/23296-leonid-meteor-shower.html?utm_content=buffer183cc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
What sort of transportation can push a big balloon at 17,000 mph for years?1. It doesn’t matter how much wind there is up there, it’s getting them to the right place in the first place. Wind on the way up !
And you don't think it's possible to put some mode of transporation on there?QuoteIncorrect. The Cold War never ended. Look at the proxy war in Syria between the US and Russia. Vladimir Putin himself says that it never ended.
I agree with Tom Bishop. Hell hath frozen over.
Other than the curves in space time shifting the waves of Gravity the same as it does with perspective.
FET does not seem to have ANY explanation (certainly none that I've seen posted) for how there can be a high tide in the middle of the night after the moon has set.
That's just taking a bunch of sciency-sounding words and gluing them together into something that approximately resembles a sentence. It's no more an explanation than: "Space Fairies did it".
I thought that was somebody’s talking to Gary !!!
So Gary, where’s your proof. Where’s the photos, where’s your calculations, otherwise I too am going have to cry Bullshit as well.
This thread made me join. haha.
Good question OP. I'm a communications tech. I work for a top 10 defense contractor that manufactures satellites and launches them from the Space Coast. Basically, the satellite acts as a repeater. The transmission comes from our earth stations, include voice and data, and transmitted to the satellite which then streams the data (repeats) back towards earth, where a properly pointed dish can receive. The dishes typically are able to send/receive data and the communication to/from the satellite and earth station is two-way, bi-directional.
I have installed commercial dishes for end users (gov't, military, gas and oil rigs, ships). I assure you that they work when pointed correctly at the sky, and don't work if they're just inches off. There's an entire procedure involved in pointing and setting a dish as well as math helps on getting the angles correct. Once linked up, I can send test messages to a Network Ops Center where a tech verifies my data and sends me out a test reply which I also verify.
I also work with microwave (ground to ground stations), fiber, central office, network, PSPC radio, backbone, etc. I'm a tech, not an engineer, so my 25 years of experience involves the installation and maintenance of comm equipment. My work involves correctly pointing, provisioning, and testing large scale wireless communication devices.
FE'rs need to work this info into their model somehow, because satellites exist and are in use all over our flat earth. There's no need to be afraid to admit that they are real.
Satellites are real and you do not have the need to know basis of the truth behind satellites. Yes your company may manufacture the satellites and think they are being "launched" into orbit but that is not really true. They are not in space but are typically kept in the sky by very large hydrogen balloons. They range in elevation between 40,000 to 80,000 feet in the air.
Here is one of the stations where balloon launches occur. Look at the bottom for schedule of past launches. http://stratocat.com.ar/bases/37e.htm
Please note the MIR launches which are pieces of the ISS which is also on a balloon.
A couple of little question, how big is the balloon that supports the 450 tons of the ISS, how does being suspended below a balloon enable it to keep a precise and predictable track across the sky, and can you direct me to which of the balloon launches in your linked list, shows the ISS launch or any launch with that payload?
Assertions are one thing, evidence is needed to back up those assertions.
Roger
Football field size. They are lifted with assistance of cranes
OK - so the mass of the ISS is 400 tonnes - and it's 100 meters across - slightly larger than a football field. If they used hydrogen as their "lift gas" (it's lighter than helium). At sea level,it takes about 1 cubic meter of hydrogen to lift 1 kg of payload. So the balloon would need to be at least 400,000 cubic meters. However, at 40,000 feet, where the air is thinner, the balloon needs to be bigger. At the upper limits of balloon capability - they expand to 700 times their launch volume. So the balloon that hold up the ISS would be 280 million cubic meters.
If it's spherical (it would have to be) then it would be about a half a kilometer across!
Now - you can use this site: https://spotthestation.nasa.gov to find a time when the ISS will fly over where you live at a time when you can see it...with your own eyes. It looks like a bright white dot - but if you get some binoculars - you can actually see the shape of the thing. It's like a letter 'H'. That's a 100 meter letter H. Now - where is the half kilometer balloon? There should be a circle above the ISS's "H" shape that's four times bigger.
If the thing isn't at orbital altitude - the balloon would look something close to the size of the moon.
So, no - the ISS isn't held up by balloons...that's a guess - and it's a stupid one.
Aside from anything else - you can see satellite zooming across the sky - much MUCH faster than an airliner...how would something with the drag coefficient and fragility of a balloon possibly be able to move that fast?
Buuuuullllll-shit.
This thread made me join. haha.
Good question OP. I'm a communications tech. I work for a top 10 defense contractor that manufactures satellites and launches them from the Space Coast. Basically, the satellite acts as a repeater. The transmission comes from our earth stations, include voice and data, and transmitted to the satellite which then streams the data (repeats) back towards earth, where a properly pointed dish can receive. The dishes typically are able to send/receive data and the communication to/from the satellite and earth station is two-way, bi-directional.
I have installed commercial dishes for end users (gov't, military, gas and oil rigs, ships). I assure you that they work when pointed correctly at the sky, and don't work if they're just inches off. There's an entire procedure involved in pointing and setting a dish as well as math helps on getting the angles correct. Once linked up, I can send test messages to a Network Ops Center where a tech verifies my data and sends me out a test reply which I also verify.
I also work with microwave (ground to ground stations), fiber, central office, network, PSPC radio, backbone, etc. I'm a tech, not an engineer, so my 25 years of experience involves the installation and maintenance of comm equipment. My work involves correctly pointing, provisioning, and testing large scale wireless communication devices.
FE'rs need to work this info into their model somehow, because satellites exist and are in use all over our flat earth. There's no need to be afraid to admit that they are real.
Satellites are real and you do not have the need to know basis of the truth behind satellites. Yes your company may manufacture the satellites and think they are being "launched" into orbit but that is not really true. They are not in space but are typically kept in the sky by very large hydrogen balloons. They range in elevation between 40,000 to 80,000 feet in the air.
Here is one of the stations where balloon launches occur. Look at the bottom for schedule of past launches. http://stratocat.com.ar/bases/37e.htm
Please note the MIR launches which are pieces of the ISS which is also on a balloon.
A couple of little question, how big is the balloon that supports the 450 tons of the ISS, how does being suspended below a balloon enable it to keep a precise and predictable track across the sky, and can you direct me to which of the balloon launches in your linked list, shows the ISS launch or any launch with that payload?
Assertions are one thing, evidence is needed to back up those assertions.
Roger
This thread made me join. haha.
Good question OP. I'm a communications tech. I work for a top 10 defense contractor that manufactures satellites and launches them from the Space Coast. Basically, the satellite acts as a repeater. The transmission comes from our earth stations, include voice and data, and transmitted to the satellite which then streams the data (repeats) back towards earth, where a properly pointed dish can receive. The dishes typically are able to send/receive data and the communication to/from the satellite and earth station is two-way, bi-directional.
I have installed commercial dishes for end users (gov't, military, gas and oil rigs, ships). I assure you that they work when pointed correctly at the sky, and don't work if they're just inches off. There's an entire procedure involved in pointing and setting a dish as well as math helps on getting the angles correct. Once linked up, I can send test messages to a Network Ops Center where a tech verifies my data and sends me out a test reply which I also verify.
I also work with microwave (ground to ground stations), fiber, central office, network, PSPC radio, backbone, etc. I'm a tech, not an engineer, so my 25 years of experience involves the installation and maintenance of comm equipment. My work involves correctly pointing, provisioning, and testing large scale wireless communication devices.
FE'rs need to work this info into their model somehow, because satellites exist and are in use all over our flat earth. There's no need to be afraid to admit that they are real.
No worries RS. I think we’ve established beyond any reasonable doubt that it’s something else the flat earthers can’t answer.
I see you can’t read either. I also said that the magnetic North Pole is moving about 40 miles per year. Currently ! Now ! If you do not believe me, do your research. I won’t bother asking you for an explanation as you clearly have less intelligence than there is Cheese in Monty Python’s Cheese Shop sketch.
See, can’t answer a simple question......
"Empiricism is a theory that states that knowledge comes only or primarily from sensory experience."
So he had a sensory experience of a ship falling from the underside of a globe?
I don't see that claim.
The idea that up is up and down is down is our human experience.
The globe concept of up and down is contradictory to this and, while "possible", is unemperical. The author is spot on to call out this absurdity.
ScaryGary
You have referred to me, and others as "sheep" who mindlessly believe what we are told. I admire the ideal of challenging facts and congratulate you on your dedication to refuting all science that you cannot personally verify.
Would you mind enlightening a sheep such as me how a mind such as yours has come to the conclusion that earth is flat?
Baaaa
No no, I haven’t misunderstood you at all. I’ve asked easily understood questions in plain English which you haven’t answered. I assume this is because you can’t answer them, but don’t want to admit it. Mind, there is overwhelming evidence that the earth is round and you ignore that so I shouldn’t be surprised.
No, it's the fact that you have proven nothing and believe everything you are told which is troubling. You cannot tell me what is inside the earth based on a 7.5 mile deep dig and seismic waves....NOOO. You cannot tell me something has happened in the past and claim it has happened over 100,000's of years. There is no truth behind anything you have mentioned other than webpages claiming these things from some agency everyone (you and people like you) believe in. Think logically and explore some of these things for yourself. What you want me to answer is garbage because none of it is true. If you refuse to look into anything you are told then I feel bad for you.
Do you have a life or do you spend every waking moment proving everything you are told? You act like you're superior because you question everything and don't believe anything some agency tells you. And yet you go along your merry way benefiting from the work done by others without question.
Prove the Earth is flat for us. This site needs a genius like yours to get to the bottom of this.
No no, I haven’t misunderstood you at all. I’ve asked easily understood questions in plain English which you haven’t answered. I assume this is because you can’t answer them, but don’t want to admit it. Mind, there is overwhelming evidence that the earth is round and you ignore that so I shouldn’t be surprised.
Yes, StinkyOne, what makes you think that you are smarter than Einstein?
So, you'll accept carbon dating as fact. Therefore you must accept we can have reliable records older than your 3000 years.
As for the flipping of the magnetic field, records show (geological records - they are written is stone !) that the 'flipping' is very variable.
Back to my original question. Let's assume that I am not disputing that the earth is flat. How can the magnetic pole move on a yearly basis, and flip on an occasional basis, according to flat earth theory. If you must, just answer the first part as that is indisputable. (I've seen compass errors checked first hand)
Well, the oldest tree is 5062 years old. But how do you KNOW that the oldest texts were 3000 years old. It's not like they had a date on them ?
Take carbon dating. We know how long the half life of Carbon 14 is. We know that the ratio of carbon 12 to carbon 14 is constant in living things, but carbon 14 decays and isn't replenished after they die. Therefore we can date organic things up to about 50,000 years.
Oh, before you dispute carbon dating, how do you think they dated early texts ?
How old are the dinosaurs ? Do your research. There is a whole wealth information that can be found on Google. It comes from many different independent sources, so we can be reasonable sure it's reliable.
