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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How are stars arranged (relative to Earth) in the FE model?

« on: November 06, 2017, 02:33:25 PM »

You know - with only 7 people voting (other similar surveys are equally ignored) - it really is a waste of time asking these things.

Hmmm yeah pretty disappointing - seems like there really aren't many people who believe this, and/or the ones who do don't seem to want to discuss it, for reasons I can only speculate on...

If you're interested, another thread (star trails in the southern hemisphere) includes the following quote from a 19th Century book called 'earth not a globe':

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The earth is a plane, with a northern centre, over which the stars (whether fixed in some peculiar substance or floating in some subtle medium is not yet known) move in concentric courses at different radial distances from the northern centre as far south as and wherever observations have been made. The evidence is the author's own experiments in Great Britain, Ireland, Isle of Man, Isle of Wight, and many other places; the statements of several unbiassed and truthful friends, who have resided in New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Rio Janeiro, Valparaiso, and other southern localities, and the several incidental statements already quoted."

I assume the guy who posted this believes it, but in retrospect, I'm not sure how "unbiassed and truthful" this dude's friends were, since we're now fairly confident the stars do "appear to rotate around the southern cross) when viewed from south of the equator, unless The Conspiracy also includes everybody south of the equator...right?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How are stars arranged (relative to Earth) in the FE model?

« on: October 25, 2017, 01:13:45 PM »

Thanks for the replies, guys! Keep 'em coming!

Firstly:  I guess I should have been more specific with the questions (although I tried to be pretty specific!), because it's not clear if the people who selected the "Earth is in a distant cloud of stars..." answers may have been Round Earthers, that seems to be the arrangement in the "conventional" Round Earth model. So it's perhaps too early to say what the prevailing belief is amongst members of the Flat Earth Society. Please do leave further details in the comments if you get the chance!

Secondly, the link that StinkyOne provided does indeed state that "the general flat earth belief is that the earth’s sky is surrounded by a sky dome the holds in the air and protects us", but so far nobody who has replied to the poll believes this, so it's a bit much to say that that's the general belief. It certainly sounds like whoever wrote that page believes it though!

However (sorry for missing it before) the wiki https://wiki.tfes.org/Stars says "The sun, moon, and stars are all rotating around a central point over the North Pole...The stars in the night sky rotate around common barycenters above the earth just as the sun and moon do. From a location on the earth's surface the stars in the sky might seem to scroll across the night sky with Polaris at the hub.", and the animation below seems to show a cloud of stars rotating "as a single unit" around a common central axis. I'm assuming that The Earth is supposed to be at the bottom of that diagram? The text of the article does also describe "a swirling multiple system", not sure that I quite understand what that, or the attached 400-page NASA paper, mean, but it certainly sounds like the author of that page is describing "a cloud of stars hovering above the earth all rotating around a central axis directly above the north pole".

Did I understand that correctly? Would be great if someone could explain this in slightly simpler terms - Pete, sounded like you had some ideas? I'm particularly interested in what kind of star movements (or apparent movements) you'd expect to see looking up into the sky on a nightly basis - since I'm not gonna be around for millions of years I don't have any way of testing some of the more "long term", but it's pretty easy to look out of the window at night and see what's up :-)

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Flat Earth Theory / How are stars arranged (relative to Earth) in the FE model?

« on: October 24, 2017, 10:52:06 AM »

Hey guys,

So, it seems like the FE model proposed here is fairly clear (a flat disk with the south pole arranged around the outside, and the north pole in the centre) although I've heard a few different theories on the layout (two-pole version etc). And the most popular theory here seems to be that the moon and sun are rotating and spotlight-like fairly close to the earth (say, a few thousand miles). That's what seems to be shown in the Society's logo, for example. But where are the stars? Is there an accepted theory for that? I put as many different layouts as I could think of in the poll, would be interesting to hear people's theories. Thanks!

R