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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity

« on: October 23, 2017, 03:06:45 PM »

Gravity has always been one of the most perplexing things to me. However, gravity can pull everything towards the center but it isn't powerful enough to keep magnets apart.

Gravity can also be beaten by a playing card - make a house of cards and you'll see that the cards on the higher levels are beating gravity in its attempts to pull them to the ground. Gravity is beaten by a child's helium balloon with no effort. Apply effort and gravity is thwarted in a big way with a jumbo jet. Don't stop at magnets, gravity gets defeated every day in countless ways but what is the relevance???

 The relevance would then lead you to believe that "gravity" isn't what we think it is. If you have a Helium balloon it will rise, but if the ballon has 50/50 air and Helium it floats! So clearly buoyancy creates the "gravity" effect we see. Depending on the medium in which you are in, gravities' effect changes, but ONLY depending on the medium in which you are in!   That would then lead us to rethink the force of gravity in space! How could we know the effect of gravity two objects have on one another if we don't know what the medium is made of?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is the flat earth position?

« on: October 23, 2017, 02:58:47 PM »

So on questions such as how sunsets occur on flat earth etc there is not a universal response from the FE crew...Pete Svarrior confirms that Tom Bishop does not represent their views, Junker chucks threads to nonsense and J-man talks 'God did it' and other bollox, so I ask where is (and why not) is there a community answer to basic RE problems with the FE theory? You have no agreed map, answer to sunsets, moon appearance across the earth, pinhole camera observations etc so if you three can't even agree how do you hope to persuade us?

 Under the Globe Earth model, the sun doesn't rise nor set. Being as we rotate around the sun the sun would appear to rise and set depending on how far away it is from us. AKA Perception. That same law of perception would also apply to the flat earth model being we perceive things to look the way they due because of how our brain and eyes work. My point is in a flat Earth, the sun rotates around us, meaning the further the sun is from us it would appear smaller and smaller causing it to appear to set. However, it hasn't!

You have half of that correct - it would appear smaller and smaller as it receded into the distance. This is not what is observed in reality. The size of the sun stays pretty constant due to its size and distance.

 Have you ever been on a beach, something we have a lot of here in Panama city, Panama , but really seen how the sun looks overhead and how it looks right when it meets the horizon?  They are nowhere near the same size and depending on how close you are to it, based on how it rotates (your Earth, or my Sun) it would appear larger or smaller at the Horizon due to the season.  The tropic of Cancer and Capricorn dictates the seasons. No matter which model you use.

The sun itself is almost exactly the same size regardless of where it's being see. The light/corona around the sun is what's magnified some by it's setting. Look at it with a proper filter (welding mask rated over 16 or so, or one of those eclipse glasses) and you'll see the actual orb of the sun doesn't change in size. Well it'll change very slightly, but nowhere near the amount the FE distance change would dictate.

 Would you please point us in the direction of what it is you are talking about? Once again, what you have described is the opposite of what we see day in and day out as we look at the sun. What happens when you focus on a dot? Does it mean that everything else around it has disappeared? Well, perceptive will tell you that it has, but the reality is it hasn't! Flat Earthers believe that the moon and the sun are about the same size. but depending where you are on Earth and the time it is, the Sun will look bigger/smaller than "normal" and noticeably because of preceptive.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does the Moon rotate around the Earth at a constant speed if.......

« on: October 23, 2017, 02:54:08 PM »

Hello everyone,
                      I am a currency trader who spends most of his time reading up on flat earth theories and came across one all by myself.  In the theory we have all been taught in school, the Earth rotates around the sun and of course the moon around the Earth. However, how is it possible for the Moon to maintain a fixed distance from Earth when the moons speed would have to vary significantly depending on where the moon is compared to Earth and the direction in which Earth is moving.  Example:

While the moon rotates around the earth and is directly in front of it, wouldn't the moon then suddenly have to speed up in order to maintain the distance between itself and Earth? just as it would have to greatly speed up when the moon is "trailing" Earth? Any answer would be greatly appreciated because my head is now starting to hurt!

Because their speed through space is the same. If you are driving in a car and you draw a circle in the air with your finger, do you have to apply more effort or change your speed depending where you are in the circle? As long as the car is traveling at a steady speed, you don't need to make any adjustments to the effort applied.

 You would have to actually show an experiment to prove your point because by drawing a circle around a moving object, you are leaving out the detail that something is then moving around that circle, and that circle has a specific place in time being the "car" is moving forward. If you draw a circle around a moving car the car will eventually run into it.

The moon only moves in a circle when spoken about in relation to the Earth (actually an ellipse, but we'll stick with circle for now). If you were to watch the Earth/moon pair from an outside perspective (like say from the sun) you would see the moon inscribing more of a helical shape around the Earth. Just like what you would get if you were to twirl your finger in a circle while inside of a moving vehicle. It still looks like a circle from your perspective (Earth) but it doesn't look like much of one to anyone outside of the vehicle. The back of the care will also never run into your circle tracing finger because it's moving at the same pace. Just like the Earth/Moon duo.

 Thank you very much for your kind response. What I seem to not be able to grasp is why would your one compare "a person inside of a moving car" and what it is I have described above. I would be a stationary object inside of moving vehicle, but what happens when I decide to move inside the car? Doesn't the space I occupy change compared to if I never moved? I would have moved forward changing not only the space I occupy compared to if I didn't move, but my perception to everything else around me would change also. Aren't we also forgetting for your theory to work, gravity would have to be the force that keeps the moon where it is as the moon makes his orbit around us.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does the Moon rotate around the Earth at a constant speed if.......

« on: October 23, 2017, 12:26:02 PM »

Hello everyone,
                      I am a currency trader who spends most of his time reading up on flat earth theories and came across one all by myself.  In the theory we have all been taught in school, the Earth rotates around the sun and of course the moon around the Earth. However, how is it possible for the Moon to maintain a fixed distance from Earth when the moons speed would have to vary significantly depending on where the moon is compared to Earth and the direction in which Earth is moving.  Example:

While the moon rotates around the earth and is directly in front of it, wouldn't the moon then suddenly have to speed up in order to maintain the distance between itself and Earth? just as it would have to greatly speed up when the moon is "trailing" Earth? Any answer would be greatly appreciated because my head is now starting to hurt!

Because their speed through space is the same. If you are driving in a car and you draw a circle in the air with your finger, do you have to apply more effort or change your speed depending where you are in the circle? As long as the car is traveling at a steady speed, you don't need to make any adjustments to the effort applied.

 You would have to actually show an experiment to prove your point because by drawing a circle around a moving object, you are leaving out the detail that something is then moving around that circle, and that circle has a specific place in time being the "car" is moving forward. If you draw a circle around a moving car the car will eventually run into it.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity

« on: October 23, 2017, 12:23:13 PM »

 Gravity has always been one of the most perplexing things to me. However, gravity can pull everything towards the center but it isn't powerful enough to keep magnets apart.If I have a magnet strong enough placed on the top of my hand with the palms of the hand facing down, I would be able to lift an opposing magnet that is on the floor, being pulled by the magnetic force of gravity without any problem! #VierdYah

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is the flat earth position?

« on: October 23, 2017, 12:04:55 PM »

So on questions such as how sunsets occur on flat earth etc there is not a universal response from the FE crew...Pete Svarrior confirms that Tom Bishop does not represent their views, Junker chucks threads to nonsense and J-man talks 'God did it' and other bollox, so I ask where is (and why not) is there a community answer to basic RE problems with the FE theory? You have no agreed map, answer to sunsets, moon appearance across the earth, pinhole camera observations etc so if you three can't even agree how do you hope to persuade us?

 Under the Globe Earth model, the sun doesn't rise nor set. Being as we rotate around the sun the sun would appear to rise and set depending on how far away it is from us. AKA Perception. That same law of perception would also apply to the flat earth model being we perceive things to look the way they due because of how our brain and eyes work. My point is in a flat Earth, the sun rotates around us, meaning the further the sun is from us it would appear smaller and smaller causing it to appear to set. However, it hasn't!

You have half of that correct - it would appear smaller and smaller as it receded into the distance. This is not what is observed in reality. The size of the sun stays pretty constant due to its size and distance.

 Have you ever been on a beach, something we have a lot of here in Panama city, Panama , but really seen how the sun looks overhead and how it looks right when it meets the horizon?  They are nowhere near the same size and depending on how close you are to it, based on how it rotates (your Earth, or my Sun) it would appear larger or smaller at the Horizon due to the season.  The tropic of Cancer and Capricorn dictates the seasons. No matter which model you use.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is the flat earth position?

« on: October 23, 2017, 10:54:20 AM »

So on questions such as how sunsets occur on flat earth etc there is not a universal response from the FE crew...Pete Svarrior confirms that Tom Bishop does not represent their views, Junker chucks threads to nonsense and J-man talks 'God did it' and other bollox, so I ask where is (and why not) is there a community answer to basic RE problems with the FE theory? You have no agreed map, answer to sunsets, moon appearance across the earth, pinhole camera observations etc so if you three can't even agree how do you hope to persuade us?

 Under the Globe Earth model, the sun doesn't rise nor set. Being as we rotate around the sun the sun would appear to rise and set depending on how far away it is from us. AKA Perception. That same law of perception would also apply to the flat earth model being we perceive things to look the way they due because of how our brain and eyes work. My point is in a flat Earth, the sun rotates around us, meaning the further the sun is from us it would appear smaller and smaller causing it to appear to set. However, it hasn't!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does the Moon rotate around the Earth at a constant speed if.......

« on: October 23, 2017, 10:10:13 AM »

While the Sun rotates around the earth

I think this might be part of the problem. The earth rotates around the sun

 I am sorry, I was thinking of the flat Earth model. However, I was referring to the moon moving around the Earth, clearly,the rest of the sentence states it,! Now that we have that straight I'd love to hear your answer on how one moving object can maintain a constant speed around another object which is in motion!

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Flat Earth Theory / How does the Moon rotate around the Earth at a constant speed if.......

« on: October 23, 2017, 09:57:21 AM »

Hello everyone,
                      I am a currency trader who spends most of his time reading up on flat earth theories and came across one all by myself.  In the theory we have all been taught in school, the Earth rotates around the sun and of course the moon around the Earth. However, how is it possible for the Moon to maintain a fixed distance from Earth when the moons speed would have to vary significantly depending on where the moon is compared to Earth and the direction in which Earth is moving.  Example:

While the moon rotates around the earth and is directly in front of it, wouldn't the moon then suddenly have to speed up in order to maintain the distance between itself and Earth? just as it would have to greatly speed up when the moon is "trailing" Earth? Any answer would be greatly appreciated because my head is now starting to hurt!