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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?
« on: October 07, 2017, 04:52:07 PM »
....except apparently even the bible points to a round earth..

http://www.eternal-productions.org/PDFS/articles/Does%20the%20Bible%20Teach%20a%20Spherical%20Earth.pdf

This thread got way off topic though. junker might want to just lock it or move it.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?
« on: October 05, 2017, 07:26:42 PM »
So round earth theory has mathematical proof of how GPS sattelites' orbits work, live demonstrations, videos, and countless years of, again, mathematical research to back it all up. Flat earth has a couple theories that have a couple holes each rendering them false and believes that sattelites cant exist because gravity doesnt.

Is that our final conclusion? I'm trying to be as neutral as possible here. Talking with j-man raises more questions than he answers but i'm going to try to keep them focused to the GPS part. For example, for gravity there's an explanation of earth accelerating upwards (still the question of why things at high altitude experience less gravity than others but lets skip on this) at 9.8 m/s^2, which explains how gravity works on a flat earth. Relativity explains how we can keep accelerating. Nothing explains the GPS without having huge holes in its theories though, sooo... any other explanation?

This video reminds me of one big fairy tale. Finding the balance like on an amplifier for my stereo. Just dial it in perfectly to orbit around for years and years...he he  There is no way a satellite can fall back to earth perfectly timed to gravity and a spinning ball. That's all Newton make believe. We don't even know what gravity is because there is no gravity.

Oh - if only mankind had invented some kind of small, cheap, low power, device that could monitor situations like this and apply small corrections to keep everything working nicely.  Something that could do lots of calculations very quickly and that you could tell what to do in an abstract mathematical fashion.


Before J-Man comes through and says no such thing is possible, i'm working on tuning a PID controller for stability right now and it's held attitude while my aircraft glides. So, yes, computers can stabilize stuff and do the math for you.

Its funny how J-man talks about aliases when he has one just like everybody else. I have nothing to hide, ohitstarik is me across the internet. Even has my name in there.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?
« on: October 04, 2017, 04:16:15 PM »
infinity/limits has never been my thing, really is interesting that it works that way. have never looked into special relativity, shits amazing

Anyways the cell tower thing doesnt strike me since ships still have navigation and gps coordinates. Still amazes me that the military just lets us use GPS for free. Weather balloons could make sense but they don't chill up there forever. helium leaks over time from what I know, but with higher quality balloons maybe it wouldnt? not sure. Thanks to all the explanations about the gravity thing!

There are over 1,800 weather balloons released EVERY SINGLE DAY....Now add just as many secret ones daily, you ever seen one?

 NOPE

4,000 everyday and you've never seen one.
GPS uses satellites. known and understood.  See documentation.

What about gravity? Satellites would fall back to earth like everything else does then stick to the surface like water and peoples. See documentation and facts.

I'd be happy to explain how orbits work!

Orbits work quite well by, you know, going around the earth. The misconception that sattelites do not experience gravity is false.

Sattelites have forward velocity. this is always tangential to their current orbit position. The only thing keeping them in a curve is gravity itself pulling satellites back in to the center of the earth. Imagine tying a ball to a string, and spinning that ball by the string around in a lasso like motion. the ball is orbiting around right? Now if you cut the string, the ball is going to fly out in a forward direction from where it was cut. This is the forward velocity of our sattelites, and the string is the gravity pulling the ball back into earth. Putting sattelites and other things into orbit on a consistent schedule by nasa, spacex, orbital sciences etc is an amazing feat of modern human advancement that is sadly outright denied here.

Also: when launching into space, the arc you see is to give enough forward velocity to sattelites so they can go forward fast enough to not crash into earth. It's not "nasa crashing into the sea to hide the fact that the earth is flat". This is just disrespectful to the men and women who have spent countless hours to get humanity to this level. 

Heres a simple video:



That being said, now we know how Round earth believes that GPS works (and how they made it work). Is there any theories that make sense from the FE side on how GPS works?

Balloons would be knocked around with wind which is unpredictable and changes our previous idea of where the balloon is, and this destroy the accuracy of GPS', so that theory doesnt really add up. Cell towers dont work because GPS still works at sea. Even if we were to say that ships use stars for navigation, it doesnt explain apple iphones having gps connection at sea.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?
« on: September 30, 2017, 05:12:29 PM »
infinity/limits has never been my thing, really is interesting that it works that way. have never looked into special relativity, shits amazing

Anyways the cell tower thing doesnt strike me since ships still have navigation and gps coordinates. Still amazes me that the military just lets us use GPS for free. Weather balloons could make sense but they don't chill up there forever. helium leaks over time from what I know, but with higher quality balloons maybe it wouldnt? not sure. Thanks to all the explanations about the gravity thing!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?
« on: September 30, 2017, 12:05:25 AM »
Yeah see, if you're at 99.9999% the speed of light, you cant just keep accelerating at 9.8m/s^2. Every second that passed, you would have to add 9.8m/s to your total speed, which.. you know, increases your speed, and would one day hit 299792458 m/s.

you dont get to 299792457.999999999999 and keep adding .000000009 (or w.e.) m/s of velocity, because if you did then you wouldnt be accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 anymore, correct? Also, if you're asymptotically accelerating, that means your acceleration curve isnt linear, so you're not always accelerating at 9.8m/s. right?

Also, what about the GPS stuff? And the gravity of other planets? You seem to have been here for a while so I appreciate all of the help!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?
« on: September 29, 2017, 10:51:54 PM »
So to make sure i'm understanding gravity correctly.. we're always accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s? how does that explain different amounts of gravity at different points on the earth though? the wiki answers this with tidal effects, since stars have "gravity", but the wiki itself said that gravity wasnt real since you needed to have a round shape pulling everything uniformly to the center. So..? how does all of this work? is gravity real or not?

andddd if we've been accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 since beginning of time.. shouldnt have we accelerated to the speed of light at this point? I know that things with matter cant reach the speed of light, so at some point we would have to have stopped accelerating at 9.8m/s^2, which would, you know, stop us from having "weight".

there's also nothing about GPS. https://wiki.tfes.org/GPS_and_Sat-Nav

Reading through the wiki and got some questions stuck in my head. Hopefully someone helps clear all this up :).

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Flat Earth Theory / How does FE think that GPS works?
« on: September 29, 2017, 10:44:48 PM »
In a flat earth, orbit isnt possible, so how does GPS work?

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