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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Satellites

« on: April 19, 2017, 11:51:57 AM »

The calculations for dish alignment are based on a round earth.

Yes, and they work exactly as engineered.

All of this is what I'm talking about.  Where's the debate?  The only real debate I've seen on these threads are heavy in science, and I'm not a scientist, nor do I care to research in order to contribute to debates out there that are already over my head.  But I've seen so much talk by flat earth theorists asking how someone rational cannot see the facts in front of them.  Well, here's your chance. For me, satellites are the easiest point of entry to debate, and there are a ton of questions that a layman such as I can ask that no flat earth theorists seem to want to tackle.  My impression thus far is that flat earth theorists are quick to jump to point out any flaw in your question (without actually answering it), get bogged down in math to the point where the original question is completely devoid of meaning, or just ignore really simple questions like these, which, if the Earth was flat, should be easy to answer. But given the lack of any counterpoints or debate, how do you expect a rational person to assume anything other than that it is due to no rational explanation existing, and therefore the Earth is in fact round?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Satellites

« on: April 18, 2017, 04:33:37 PM »

Any discussion of satellites needs to show documented details of transmitter locations, essential for receiver alignment.  eg for UK Sky 28.2E above the equator in a geosynchronous orbit.

Well I haven't lived there for over four years now, so I couldn't supply that. But speaking purely hypothetically, and you can assume that this scenario is entirely fictitious if that helps, is there any flat earth theory that could explain the scenario I described?  I'm not trying to convince other people, I want to know for myself. If you can provide a theory, I would like to hear it. If such a scenario could not co-exist with a flat earth theory, and so the scenario must be fake, I am ok with that response as well, at least then I'll know.

i'm not trying to be scientific, I'm trying to wrap my head around the layers and layers of conspiracy that would have to be present for satellites to not actually exist and hear you guys out on your explanation. The concept is intriguing, but the intrigue seems to die out the more threads I read. I see a trend of when someone asks a difficult question, a single issue with that question is pointed out, no matter how minor, and the entire question is disregarded, even if otherwise valid. And for challenging questions that aren't critiqued, they seem to be outright ignored. Honestly, even an answer of "We don't know, we aren't well funded, we're working on it" would be sufficient, at least it's honest.

At the very least, you have to admit that you are in the absolute tiniest of minorities in this belief.  So, whether fair or not, the onus is more on you to defend and prove your claim rather than just disregarding or ignoring questions that question or challenge things in a forum specifically labeled for debate.  Overall, for a debate forum, there seems to be little of it present that I can find.

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Flat Earth Theory / Satellites

« on: April 18, 2017, 12:10:43 PM »

So I searched the forums and read various threads on this subject but none really answered the question or gave good justifications. My question is, how can you claim that satellites do not exist when we have satellite TV, GPS, and satellite communications?

First of all, the satellite industry is significant, and exists all across the world in both public and private industry.  Are you suggesting that all of the hundreds of thousands of people who are/were related to the SATCOM world across numerous countries, some of which are enemies, are all in on the conspiracy, and in that time, not one of them ever outed the industry as a myth?  And if it was a lie, and a conspiracy, why intentionally make the market so big for it which would only bring more people into it and therefore make it more likely to be discovered?

Aside from the conspiracy aspect, when I lived in England and we had SkyTV via dish. We lived on a very large hill and our dish was pointed near vertical (within 15 degrees) towards the sky. If we moved the the dish more than 5 degrees in any direction the signal was virtually garbage.

Additionally, anyone who has ever used satellite internet knows that there is latency compared to traditional wired networks. This is because, even though radio waves move at near the speed of light, they still have to travel nearly 45,000 miles (round trip) for the typical GEO satellite. This causes a roughly 500–700 ms from the user to the ISP, or about 1,000–1,400 ms latency for the total round-trip time (RTT) back to the user. Compared to the typical 15-40 ms latency experienced by users of other high-speed Internet services, such as cable or VDSL, a 1 to 1.5 second lag is noticeable. But if satellites aren't real, and the signal doesn't have to travel dozens of thousands of miles, this lag wouldn't exist. And if you want to suggest that someone along the way could be artificially increasing the latency to perpetuate the conspiracy, know anyone on satellite internet could do a trace-route to validate the latency manually