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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Line of sight communication
« on: June 09, 2016, 04:48:36 PM »

Different ways like bouncing off of the atmosphere and the ground several times, hitting an object beyond the horizon and then miraculously bouncing back between the atmosphere and ground to the radar receiver to register an image without any significant scatter in this process?


Why not just shield the signal along the x-axis while allowing it to propagate at a positive angle and confirm detection beyond the shielding? Very simple test.

This would confirm that it is in fact possible to bounce the signal off the atmosphere. This wouldn't even have to do with flat/round Earth, but simply show that you're incorrect about what is possible.

Your unwillingness to test these things is most likely rooted in not wanting to be proven wrong.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Line of sight communication
« on: June 09, 2016, 04:02:02 AM »
Actually, the existence of AM Radio, HAM Radio, and Over the Horizon Radar, where photons travel much further than the curvature of the earth should allow, suggests that the earth is not a globe.

These are not operating on line of sight. I would suggest you read about ground waves and how signals of various wavelength propagate.

I would also pose the question why anyone would bother using a technology that takes advantage of something unnecessary such as ultra low frequency waves. A radar on the modestly high mountain above sea level would cover all required ranges.

Ground waves? Ducting?

The simplest explanation is that the photons just went in a straight line.

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Why bother debating the merits of such advanced physics when you can use literal line of sight communication -- a laser pointer -- to test your theory?

The atmosphere is not perfectly transparent to all forms of EM, which is why distant mountains may be faded in the distance by atmosphere.

It doesn't have to be perfectly transparent, especially if you do it on a day with agreeable weather conditions.

There is a simple method to prove that atmosphere attenuation is not the limiting factor in visibility. Simply adjust the angle upward and point it at a tall landmass or building. This will increase the amount of atmosphere it is traveling through, proving that the laser is not being attenuated by atmosphere. The atmosphere is not massively different at a mere 100ft height difference, nor a few miles away. I'd suggest a nice large, flat, place like the salt flats in Bolivia for testing. It's the flattest place on Earth.

What you'll find is that someone sitting on the mountain top 10 miles away will be able to see your laser, but someone standing on the ground 5 miles away will not.

It's quite simple geometry and requires no real scientific knowledge. It's basic line of sight communication.


If it can travel 20km

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Line of sight communication
« on: June 09, 2016, 03:26:24 AM »
Actually, the existence of AM Radio, HAM Radio, and Over the Horizon Radar, where photons travel much further than the curvature of the earth should allow, suggests that the earth is not a globe.
Are you sure about that? These types of radios do not use photons as their carrier!

All electro-magnetic radiation consists of photons.

Round Earth Scientists have to make up mysterious atmospheric ducting and atmospheric reflection phenomena in attempt to explain the phenomenon of traveling further than the horizon should allow, no matter how absurd. Consider Over The Horizon Radar. The photon is transmitted from the receiver, bounces off of the atmosphere in the distance, hits an object further beyond the horizon, and then bounces back off the atmosphere and again hits the receiver to register an object in the distance. Ridiculous.

They even claim that the photons can bounce between the atmosphere and the ground several times, and then back again to the receiver, with no significant scattering!



The simplest explanation is that the photons just went in a straight line.

Why bother debating the merits of such advanced physics when you can use literal line of sight communication -- a laser pointer -- to test your theory?

A cheap 1mW laser pointer has been shown to have no problem traveling 20km through atmosphere. Buying a slightly higher powered one will go even further.

http://kotaku.com/one-mans-quest-to-prove-how-far-laser-pointers-reach-1464275649

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Line of sight communication
« on: June 09, 2016, 03:11:44 AM »
Actually, the existence of AM Radio, HAM Radio, and Over the Horizon Radar, where photons travel much further than the curvature of the earth should allow, suggests that the earth is not a globe.

These are not operating on line of sight. I would suggest you read about ground waves and how signals of various wavelength propagate.

I would also pose the question why anyone would bother using a technology that takes advantage of something unnecessary such as ultra low frequency waves. A radar on the modestly high mountain above sea level would cover all required ranges.

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Flat Earth Theory / Line of sight communication
« on: June 09, 2016, 02:38:12 AM »
So, if the Earth were flat, why is line of sight based communication across the surface of the Earth limited to such short distances? Why are the limits of such forms of communication in agreement with the geometry of a sphere?

We know the service distance of a radio transmitter increases more or less in proportion to the square root of it's height off the ground, so we know it's not merely a matter of signal attenuation through atmosphere or environment.

If the Earth were flat, a modestly powered transmission at even a modest height should be receivable much further than it is, especially in very flat geographic regions. It just so happens though that we are able to very accurately calculate transmittable distances and it is in agreement with the geometry of a curved surface.


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