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The question remains  ;)

So... Can I assume that I just debunked the flat earth theory?  :D
Is nobody here able to properly explain to me how it is possible on a flat earth to see the sun in South America and Australia while, at the same time, it is night at the northpole?

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You complain "stop messing this thread up with discussions about the south pole".
Last I heard the south pole was in the southern hemisphere and the thread is: "How can the sun be seen more than 12 hours a day in the southern hemisphere?"

No offense, I was referring to the upcoming discussions about Scott and Amundsen, the magnetic field lines, etc.
For the sake of the qualitiy of this thread I suggest to stick to the topic of day, night and daylength as it can be observed at different places around the earth and how this is (or is not) compatible to the Flat Earth model.

So... Can I assume that I just debunked the flat earth theory?  :D
Is nobody here able to properly explain to me how it is possible on a flat earth to see the sun in South America and Australia

Why are you so sure you can? They are on opposite sides of the earth on a round earth too. The charts seem to suggest you made up that you can see the sun in both places at once.


How do you know you can see the sun in both places at once? Have you tested it yourself, or were you told that?

The sun can be seen at Australia and South America at the same time because of the axial tilt of the globe.

Unfortunately I am not able to be at both of those places at once, therefore testing it by myself seems quite impossible for me...
Fortunately we live in the 21st century and we can do something called research, in order to gather information we can't test ourselfes. Please notice that doing research is completely different from "beeing told" something.

First of all, my example takes place at every day from a few weeks before the 22 December till a few weeks after, every year, at 09:00:00 (UTC time). 
timeanddate.com provides a interactive woldmap with which you can observe, where on the world it is day and where it is night for every moment you can think of: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html

timeanddate.com is a private company. Providing false data (especially predictions of day and night) would soon be noticed by the user community and they would use other websites, which provide the correct data. Users are money and a lack of users is a lack of money. timeanddate.com would vanish. Because this didn't happen I am quite convinced that timeanddate.com provides correct data.

I went even further: I validated the correctness of the map by myself, by observing several webcams all over the world (http://www.earthcam.com/), and I encourage you to do so as well. I was not able to detect any deviation between the day/night prediction of the map, and the daytime, seen in the webcams. Another reason, why the maps, provided by timeanddate.com seem valid to me.

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So... Can I assume that I just debunked the flat earth theory?  :D
Is nobody here able to properly explain to me how it is possible on a flat earth to see the sun in South America and Australia while, at the same time, it is night at the northpole?

And please stop messing this thread up with discussions about the south pole, you can open another thread to argue these issues.

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Yeah, but again Pongo: Why can't the sun be seen directly, but only the reflections of the sun? The reflections have to travel significantly longer.

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I don't want this thread to get distracted by theories about the south pole. To get back to the topic I want to raise some questions for Pongo.

Now, to explain how the sun can be seen from all of the rim at one time, simply take a look into your coffee cup:
http://www.saltire.com/HTML5/HTML5%20apps/Light%20and%20Reflections/Caustic.html

Just as light reflects around the entire rim of your drink, so it does around the rim of the earth.  I believe it's the firmament itself that reflects this light but others attribute it to how the light waves interact with with aether or even the ice wall itself.

In your coffee cup example the lightsource is placed outside of the coffee cup/flat earth. The flat earth society claims in their wiki that the lightsource/sun is hovering above the coffee cup/earth. This doesn't make sense to me.

Furthermore I am a bit confused  by the path the light of the sun takes in order to get to South America and Australia in the december. The path it has to take when beeing reflected by the rim at the "south pole wall" in order to get to South America/Australia is quite longer than the direct path to these destinations. According to the theory of the flat earth society the light of the sun can only travel a certain distance until it can't be seen anymore. The sunlight that is reflected at the rim shouldn't be seen at all because it is traveling longer than the sunlight directly pointing to these destinations and significantly longer than the sunlight directly pointing to the north pole (where the sun can't be seen at all in december). To get my point it may look at my attached illustration.

Or is there something I didn't understand about "the rim"?

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That model is a simple GIF merely designed to illustrate a concept. It doesn't accurately reflect the movements of the sun and the moon.

For example in december, when the sun is rising in Chile, it can also be seen in Australia. At the same time it's night at the north pole. Where is the sun at this moment according to the flat earth model?

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Hello everyone,

as a "round earther" i have to admit that the flat earth model with its theory of the sun hovering above the earths equator and around the north pole applies pretty good to what people experience in terms of daylength at the northern hemisphere.

But according to this model, shouldn't it be impossible that days can get longer than nights in the southern hemisphere? There are cities in South America, Africa and Australia as well, where the sun can be seen more than 14 hours a day in december. How is this possible?  ???

The flat earth model I am referring to:
http://wiki.tfes.org/images/7/70/SunAnimation.gif

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