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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Satellites

« on: January 27, 2014, 10:32:41 PM »

If the earth is flat, then how do satellites work, flat earth weirdos?

Most of the communications attributed to satellites can also be accomplished via towers on the surface.  Many flat earth models also allow for "stratellites" and even satellites, suspended in a circular orbit above earth in the aetheric whirlpool.

I personally believe that satellites exist, and do circle above the earth, but not at the claimed altitudes.

FlawlessLogic here. I would like to point out that you claim to have an "aetheric whirlpool." Could someone please explain to me what that is and what the evidence is for it?

Tausami is more of an authority on aether than I, but essentially...

Aether is rushing upward past the earth, pushed by the UA just as the earth is.  Aether behaves similarly to a fluid as it does this, so as it rushes past earth from underneath, there is an aetherless void created above the earth.  The aether, high above earth, crashes together to fill this void, and in doing so creates a swirling whirlpool above the earth.

In this whirlpool, orbit is theoretically possible.  This model also postulate that the sun and moon float in this whirlpool.

I have done a little work on this model, but I'm not married to one interpretation over another.

So am I right in thinking of aether as a fluid? If so, the turbulence would also have some vertical components. Also, how would this fit in with the model of Earth with an infinite edge?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The earth is round

« on: January 27, 2014, 09:57:02 PM »

You claim that he was forced to say he went to space, or that he was tricked.  Do you have any proof?   

It's a simple process of deduction. He claims to have gone into space. One cannot actually go into space. Therefore, he is lying. Why is he lying? Well, he had a long phone call with a prominent world leader who was associated with the NASA conspiracy. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that he was in some way influenced by the conspiracy. Perhaps they threatened his family. Perhaps they offered him money. Perhaps they knew about what he did that time in Thailand. We can only speculate.

What you just did there is a fatal flaw in logic deduction. Although you call it simple, you do not seem to grasp its mechanics. When you made the statement "One cannot actually go into space" you assumed that he is lying. This immediately invalidates your logic. Although your conclusion might be correct, this is not a proof. Unless you have empirical evidence that it is not possible to go into space, your "logic" is void.

Well, yes. The laws of physics as defined by Flat Earth Theory state that space travel is impossible. As experimental evidence clearly points toward Flat Earth Theory, there must be an alternative explanation for supposed space travel. Occam's Razor suggests that they're simply lying.

And yet you still miss the point. The very fact that you say that space travel is impossible assumes that the FET is true. Therefore, you cannot use this argument.

No, you are missing the point. A starting premise of my argument is indeed that the Earth is flat. This is because this premise has been previously proven. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here.

Besides, we're discussing Flat Earth Theory. If you'd prefer, we can use the modifier "assuming the Earth is flat, this phenomenon is explainable because" in front of every sentence. However, this would be a massive waste of everyone's time.

You are correct. IF we assume that the Earth is flat, THEN we can make certain statements. This is a standard conditional statement. If you look at the original comment that started this discussion, then you will see that BillyBob wants PROOF. Instead of proving anything to him, you asserted "One cannot actually go into space." You have no right to this assertion because BillyBob assumes that FET is false (or at least that is how I understood it).

I would also like to see the proof of why the Earth is flat. It would be interesting to look at.

Instead of taking his question seriously, you instead brushed it aside. I would have expected better from you.

Also if space travel is impossible, what are all these satelites I see through my telescope?

Experimental evidence for a flat earth is discussed at length in the Wiki, and in Earth Not a Globe.   I've never seen any compelling evidence for a spherical earth. 

As asserted in the "Satellites" thread, satellites / stratellites are not strictly prohibited by flat earth theory.  Moreover, I very seriously doubt that you're using a telescope to look at "all these satellites." Even round earth folks don't look at satellites because they "move too fast" or "are too far / small to see". 

The more likely case is, of course, that with a few exceptions which are visible to the naked eye, they simply aren't there.

Thank you for giving me some place to start on my quest to understand FET. Don't misinterpret my comments to you as aggression. I was just frustrated that many comments on this site are made either without empirical evidence or with logical falacies.

About satellites: why is it that if satellites are allowed, space travel is not? As my proof: there are many "average Joes" that have seen a satellite (Sputnik comes to mind).

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The earth is round

« on: January 27, 2014, 09:01:33 PM »

You claim that he was forced to say he went to space, or that he was tricked.  Do you have any proof?   

It's a simple process of deduction. He claims to have gone into space. One cannot actually go into space. Therefore, he is lying. Why is he lying? Well, he had a long phone call with a prominent world leader who was associated with the NASA conspiracy. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that he was in some way influenced by the conspiracy. Perhaps they threatened his family. Perhaps they offered him money. Perhaps they knew about what he did that time in Thailand. We can only speculate.

What you just did there is a fatal flaw in logic deduction. Although you call it simple, you do not seem to grasp its mechanics. When you made the statement "One cannot actually go into space" you assumed that he is lying. This immediately invalidates your logic. Although your conclusion might be correct, this is not a proof. Unless you have empirical evidence that it is not possible to go into space, your "logic" is void.

Well, yes. The laws of physics as defined by Flat Earth Theory state that space travel is impossible. As experimental evidence clearly points toward Flat Earth Theory, there must be an alternative explanation for supposed space travel. Occam's Razor suggests that they're simply lying.

And yet you still miss the point. The very fact that you say that space travel is impossible assumes that the FET is true. Therefore, you cannot use this argument.

No, you are missing the point. A starting premise of my argument is indeed that the Earth is flat. This is because this premise has been previously proven. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here.

Besides, we're discussing Flat Earth Theory. If you'd prefer, we can use the modifier "assuming the Earth is flat, this phenomenon is explainable because" in front of every sentence. However, this would be a massive waste of everyone's time.

You are correct. IF we assume that the Earth is flat, THEN we can make certain statements. This is a standard conditional statement. If you look at the original comment that started this discussion, then you will see that BillyBob wants PROOF. Instead of proving anything to him, you asserted "One cannot actually go into space." You have no right to this assertion because BillyBob assumes that FET is false (or at least that is how I understood it).

I would also like to see the proof of why the Earth is flat. It would be interesting to look at.

Instead of taking his question seriously, you instead brushed it aside. I would have expected better from you.

Also if space travel is impossible, what are all these satelites I see through my telescope?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The earth is round

« on: January 27, 2014, 08:09:29 PM »

You claim that he was forced to say he went to space, or that he was tricked.  Do you have any proof?   

It's a simple process of deduction. He claims to have gone into space. One cannot actually go into space. Therefore, he is lying. Why is he lying? Well, he had a long phone call with a prominent world leader who was associated with the NASA conspiracy. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that he was in some way influenced by the conspiracy. Perhaps they threatened his family. Perhaps they offered him money. Perhaps they knew about what he did that time in Thailand. We can only speculate.

What you just did there is a fatal flaw in logic deduction. Although you call it simple, you do not seem to grasp its mechanics. When you made the statement "One cannot actually go into space" you assumed that he is lying. This immediately invalidates your logic. Although your conclusion might be correct, this is not a proof. Unless you have empirical evidence that it is not possible to go into space, your "logic" is void.

Well, yes. The laws of physics as defined by Flat Earth Theory state that space travel is impossible. As experimental evidence clearly points toward Flat Earth Theory, there must be an alternative explanation for supposed space travel. Occam's Razor suggests that they're simply lying.

And yet you still miss the point. The very fact that you say that space travel is impossible assumes that the FET is true. Therefore, you cannot use this argument.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Satellites

« on: January 27, 2014, 08:01:59 PM »

If the earth is flat, then how do satellites work, flat earth weirdos?

Most of the communications attributed to satellites can also be accomplished via towers on the surface.  Many flat earth models also allow for "stratellites" and even satellites, suspended in a circular orbit above earth in the aetheric whirlpool.

I personally believe that satellites exist, and do circle above the earth, but not at the claimed altitudes.

FlawlessLogic here. I would like to point out that you claim to have an "aetheric whirlpool." Could someone please explain to me what that is and what the evidence is for it?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The earth is round

« on: January 27, 2014, 07:27:15 PM »

You claim that he was forced to say he went to space, or that he was tricked.  Do you have any proof?   

It's a simple process of deduction. He claims to have gone into space. One cannot actually go into space. Therefore, he is lying. Why is he lying? Well, he had a long phone call with a prominent world leader who was associated with the NASA conspiracy. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that he was in some way influenced by the conspiracy. Perhaps they threatened his family. Perhaps they offered him money. Perhaps they knew about what he did that time in Thailand. We can only speculate.

What you just did there is a fatal flaw in logic deduction. Although you call it simple, you do not seem to grasp its mechanics. When you made the statement "One cannot actually go into space" you assumed that he is lying. This immediately invalidates your logic. Although your conclusion might be correct, this is not a proof. Unless you have empirical evidence that it is not possible to go into space, your "logic" is void.