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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why? To What End???

« on: September 29, 2020, 08:56:05 AM »

Firstly, Charles Darwin  IS the only reason evolution theorem exists in it's current form. Before his study on the Galapagos islands  in the 1800s, he was a preacher/minister, he was a christian!! For thousands of years, civilizations  knew the earth was geocentrical and flat in nature, some even theorized of cubed earth. None of these civilizations  before 800 bc, thought we "evolved" from bacteria over "millions" of years.

Right. And ancient civilizations thought that everything was made of 4 elements - fire, water, air, earth. Many of then believed in multiple Gods.

True, however I encourage  you to read "False Prophet  Azazel" by John of the gentiles. It explains in detail the origin of Roman, Greek, Norse, Hindi, Buddhism.. mythologies. It is a fascinating read.


 

Our modern civilization and technologies are built on many things which ancient civilizations hadn't discovered or didn't understand.

Agreed to a certain extent, take the United  States: Its heritage and history owes most of its cultural roots to Europe with a sprinkling of vast and diverse cultures from across the earth. Also, notice the United  states uses Latin in its seals? Such as E PLURIBUS UNUM (out of many, one), also consider the use of the " Eagle" as their official mascot if you will. Combining these two facts, you can trace back this ideology and symbology to ancient Rome. In essence, before Rome fell in 507 b.c, it had two 2 colonies, France and what is modern England. These two lands were colonies of the Roman Empire and once the city fell, it is fairly safe to assume they fled to these colonies and settled them. So as I agree our civilization is much more technologically sound and scientifically advanced, much of the philosophies and ideologies that were manifested in ancient Rome and Greece in the late BCE era, is still taught today. For instance,  The core comprehension of the Big Bang theory is the copernican system of cosmology "Heliocentric model", however it is known fact that pythagoras  conceived a theory that toyed with the notion of a spherical earth and planetary bodies, so did newton.

 

I am a Christian and my take on it all is that had I been born 500 years ago I probably would think that the Scriptures were scientifically accurate.
But being born now I understand them in a different way. Genesis tells us that we are a creation, it tells us Who created us and for what purpose. It also tells us about our need for redemption - the New Testament deals with that of course.
The exact timescales and mechanisms of creation - leave that to science. I see them as complimentary rather than contradictory.

      It is important to note that the word "Science" is a dirivitive of the Latin-"Scientia" which means Mans knowledge or systematized knowledge. In fact: philosophy,  science, Natural  Magic(would be known today as an archaic form of the modern  term "physics"), also alchemy(chemistry,"pharma") all are synonymous terminology. Now, this is not intended to be a disagreement nor rebuttal, simply a interesting set of facts for you to consider.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why? To What End???

« on: September 29, 2020, 05:06:26 AM »

Also, the very concept of Big Bang was introduced by a Belgian catholic priest called Georges Lemaître. He was named a "Domestic prelate" by the Pope several decades later, so it seems he could cope with both his faith and his scientific career.

The religious views of Charles Darwin are the subject of a full Wikipedia article on their own. It's almost 100 kilobytes long, so it's not a trivial matter.

As stated in my response above, in God's  Holy  word,  man brought death by sin, evolution/ darwinism  says death brought man...

As for lamaiter, his theistic philosophy ,by my summation, cannot congeal  with a "something came from nothing" deduction. As quoted by Julian Huxley, a British evolutionary biologist, said; “It is easier to believe that there was nothing before there was something than that there was something before there was nothing.” quite the quandary  indeed....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why? To What End???

« on: September 29, 2020, 04:52:53 AM »

I don't want to take anything away from any religious beliefs you have, but why couldn't Darwin be a Christian AND a scientist? These do not need to be mutually exclusive labels by any means.

I know a geology professor who is a leading expect on an ancient mountain belt, one that formed 1.2 - 1 billion years ago and was completely eroded by 700 million years ago. He is a devout christian and has published many books about how he reconciles scientific evidence and biblical teachings and descriptions. I've always admired him a great deal for that, and hes also just one of the genuinely nicest people I've ever met.

To be honest, I deduced, for a long period, that evolution and big bang theorems were the method the LORD God used in creation. In that, by 6 days bieng millions of years each "day". So, in essence I was on the same ideology  as you speak of. However, be as it may, this is the surmise of it all,  per God's  Holy Word, Man brought death into the world(1 Corinthians 15:21) and by big bang and especially  evolution(darwinism aka " natural selection ") death brought man into the world. As this may well be an over simplification, it is still inherently relevant and cohesive to my point.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why? To What End???

« on: September 28, 2020, 02:16:00 PM »

If the big bang proposal is false, and "billions of years" is also false, then evolution hinges on big bang for its billions of years to support  6 out of the 7 proposed types of evolution.

Right, but as you have noted the theory of evolution predates the Big Bang theory. So clearly an old earth was known long before the Big Bang theory which is more about how the universe started.

Why could a flat earth not also be old and evolution have occurred on it? Evolution doesn't require a particular earth shape, it simply requires time and the right conditions.

And you still haven't indicated who is trying to hide the true shape of the earth from us and why, which is the point of this thread.

Firstly, Charles Darwin  IS the only reason evolution theorem exists in it's current form. Before his study on the Galapagos islands  in the 1800s, he was a preacher/minister, he was a christian!! For thousands of years, civilizations  knew the earth was geocentrical and flat in nature, some even theorized of cubed earth. None of these civilizations  before 800 bc, thought we "evolved" from bacteria over "millions" of years.

    As far as why they would hide the shape of the earth, well simple: if the Heliocentrical copernican system is wrong and a lie, then at the time they found out that it indeed was wrong (Oct 24, 1946 Operation  High Jump) the big bang, evolution,  and the copernican system were all well established in school systems  and in the mass population  of earth, "common knowledge" if you will. Think about this: If, when in 1948(?) I believe....when the first achieved high altitude flight with the help of German astrophysicists in operation  paper Clip, if they found out the earth was flat, AND that the firmament (Genesis 1:6-7) is a structural  expanse, Do you think they would inform the general public that they cannot get high enough to break the glass ceiling? That there is no space that they can reach? Of course not...they would do as you see they did...they first established NASA in 1958, then in 1959 signed the Antarctic  Peace treaty then in 1962 Operation  Fish Bowl( high altitude  nuclear  weapons  "testing") look up starfish explosion 1962). Then in 1969 they faked a moon landing to support their hoax by using group dynamics  to confirm its validity.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Questions for Flat Earthers

« on: September 28, 2020, 02:47:41 AM »

This should sum it up.......stillshot of footage from 100,000 ft in the atmosphere

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why? To What End???

« on: September 27, 2020, 09:44:02 PM »

If big bang is big smoke...then evolutionary theory(1850s? Charles Darwin aka darwinism,) also falls flat. 

Does it? How so?
And we had photos and video from space long before the moon landings.
You still haven’t indicated any underlying motive? Who is hiding this from us and why?

Please provide said evidence. You have the burden of proof my good fellow....

So, prove me wrong...present your case....

OK. You said that "If big bang is big smoke...then evolutionary theory also falls flat.
Please explain what the connection between those two things is.

I don't need to provide evidence of photos from space pre-Apollo. You can Google that yourself. You can call the photos and videos fake of course, but pre Apollo were the Gemini and Mercury programmes, you can find plenty of photos from them.

Research for yourself before making false statements  on matters in which you are misinformed.

What false statements have I made? And the topic of this thread is about the motive for FE being repressed. You have still provided none.

If the big bang proposal is false, and "billions of years" is also false, then evolution hinges on big bang for its billions of years to support  6 out of the 7 proposed types of evolution. Basically,  if the earth is only thousands of years old, and big bang is nonsense, then evolution doesnt make sense in 6 of its types. The only type of evolution we have actually witnessed in human history is " macro Evolution" or speciation within animal families or classifications. GOD'S  Holy Word refers to them as "kinds"

In essence, if you cannot see the correlation between Heliocentricism, geocentrical flat earth model, and evolution.....I cannot help you. Research US Gov operations from 1946-1969...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why? To What End???

« on: September 27, 2020, 07:39:20 PM »

If big bang is big smoke...then evolutionary theory(1850s? Charles Darwin aka darwinism,) also falls flat. 

Does it? How so?
And we had photos and video from space long before the moon landings.
You still haven’t indicated any underlying motive? Who is hiding this from us and why?

Please provide said evidence. You have the burden of proof my good fellow....

So, prove me wrong...present your case....

*Note*

1514- Heliocentric  model "copernican system"----------------------1903 plane invented(flight)-------------1920-1930s Big Bang theorem introduced and named------------1946-1954 operation  paperclip (high altitude "space flight" photos taken.-------1962 Operation  Fish bowl-----1969 apollo 11....

Research for yourself before making false statements  on matters in which you are misinformed.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why? To What End???

« on: September 26, 2020, 05:27:00 AM »

The Why is simple:

If The Heliocentric  model(1492-1515A.D copernicus) is false and the earth is flat, then the big bang theory(1920-1930s) doesnt make sense and falls apart. If big bang is big smoke...then evolutionary theory(1850s? Charles Darwin aka darwinism,) also falls flat.

So you see...the moon landings wasnt so much about landing on the moon...it was about validating the Heliocentric  model and the  BBT
By group dynamics....(mass populations witnessing "apollo 11 1969")