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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Explain this Phenomenon

« on: March 15, 2019, 01:47:19 AM »

Both Earth Not a Globe and the Flat Earth Society Wiki says that the sun is a projection on the atmolayer. It can get to the horizon as easily as a cloud can.

Can you link me to this Wiki page? I tried to search but couldn't find any reference to the sun setting as a projection on the 'atmolayer'.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Explain this Phenomenon

« on: March 14, 2019, 11:50:26 PM »

So when train tracks appear to intersect to perspective, they have done so an "infinite" distance away? 

I will need more detail to answer. Are you talking about ONLY the unaided eye? Or will you have telescopes/P-900/some theoretical zooming device?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Explain this Phenomenon

« on: March 14, 2019, 10:10:13 PM »

From wikipedia:

A vanishing point is a point on the image plane of a perspective drawing where the two-dimensional perspective projections (or drawings) of mutually parallel lines in three-dimensional space appear to converge.

Seeing does not respond to gravity as mass does. Altitude has no bearing on vision, only diffraction and absorption.

You do not understand vanishing point. The reason we can't see things in the distance is they fill smaller and smaller arcs as they are farther. The rod/cone (think of it as a "pixel") has a certain arc of the eyeball it registers. When something is so far away it does not fill enough arc to register on enough pixels. Think of looking at a toothpicl a quarter mile away. You can see a house but not a toothpick. Put that house on the moon, and you can see the moon but not the house.

Interestingly, Your last sentence may be right, if you mean that although the sun is below the horizon for the guy taking the picture it is still above the horizon for the clouds, because they are west and higher altitude.

Would the distance to the point of convergence be different for an ant than it would be for a man?

If you make these assumptions:

The Ant has the same eyes as the human.
The object is unobstructed, including by earths curve.

Then the answer is, No. The height of the observer does not affect its vanishing point.

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Here is where I think you are going with this. Imagine a flat surface with infinite length. Place an object at X distance. When the angular size of the object reaches the limit of the eye. That object can appear to be behind a curve. The angular size of the ground and sky remain the same as the angular size of the object getting further to infinity gets smaller.

This however can easily be debunked by using optics that can enlarge a piece of an image your eye captures, and thus make the angular size of the object larger and visible again. In actual observations however, objects appear to vanish behind the earth, bottom up, at a fixed distance that can be calculated and predicted. After this point, no amount of advanced optics can bring the object back into view. The only way to see this object again is to increase elevation, which oddly enough, brings the object back into view at almost exactly the same angular size as it was before.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Explain this Phenomenon

« on: March 14, 2019, 01:44:21 PM »

Sigh, I’ll do it Junker. It’s probably my turn anyway.

Refraction of light off atmosphere

An optical effect of coillodal (hazy) atmosphere that defocuses light of select wavelengths from your eye (google mirage)

Your camera sucks

Infrared radiation emitted by the Earth and scattered off the clouds above

Just off the top of my head...

Refraction of light off atmosphere -> Probably your best argument, the rest is trash. I would be interested in your calculation for the angle of refraction of the air when light is coming from vacuum, and how that correlates to clouds being illuminated from the bottom. And I assume you believe in the vacuum of space as well since refraction requires a change in medium that the light travels through.

An optical effect of coillodal (hazy) atmosphere that defocuses light of select wavelengths from your eye (google mirage) -> A mirage is like you said, hazy, and this sir, was clear and crisp. Had no signs of optical intrusion by different temperatures of air masses.

Your camera sucks -> Lazy argument. What about my camera would cause this. Also see below.

Infrared radiation emitted by the Earth and scattered off the clouds above -> My eyes cannot see infrared and I can assure you, this camera captured nearly exactly what I saw with my eyes.



Ill go ahead and invoke Occam's razor and say that simply: the clouds are literally being illuminated by the sun, from the bottom.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Explain this Phenomenon

« on: March 13, 2019, 05:45:48 PM »

Seems observational data really hurts your points seeing the lack of replies here.

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Flat Earth Theory / Explain this Phenomenon

« on: March 13, 2019, 03:17:16 PM »

Can anyone explain why the clouds in my image this morning seem to be lit from the bottom. And in fact you can even see where the sunlight is most concentrated.

Please note this image was taken 20 minutes before sunrise. Also not this was only in the East. The clouds to the West were not lit at all.

This observation seems to prove a spherical earth as there is no way for the sun to be below the clouds on a flat plane.