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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Some honest questions from a Round Earth believer.

« on: October 21, 2018, 04:39:57 AM »

Oh so you're deleting my posts now, are you? Proves my point, this is a waste of effort and time.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Some honest questions from a Round Earth believer.

« on: October 19, 2018, 11:09:16 PM »

Thank you for your reply, Stack. You see that link to an actual discussion, people conversing and trying to figure things out is much more of what I was looking for. That discussion is interesting and raises another couple of good questions, as well as calling into question of how Perspective is the cause of sun sets and sun rises. I believe Law of Perspective is being misrepresented in the FET, as while with something a plane flying over head, with perspective you'll always have to look up at something above you, just like you'll always have to look down at something on the ground. The FET Sun is above you, therefore with the Law of Perspective(from how I understand it, as I'm no expert), cannot cross the perspective line, it'll always appear above you. But that's not what I observe when I watch a sun set or sun rise. Then there is also the problem with if the sun is small and only 3000 miles away, when it appears over the horizon at sun rise it'll appear smaller than when its directly over head at Noon. 

The North and South Celestial poles also pose a rather large glaring hole into the FET, as pointed out later on in that discussion.

Having watched more than a handful of YouTube Videos on the subject, I know not a credible source, but I've seen this come up in most, if not all of them. They mention Airy's Failure as proof the world is stationary. But this is not the case, Airy's Failure proved that Ether didn't exist. Simply put we believed that because Light is a wave like sound, that it needed a medium to travel through, thus Ether was proposed, Airy's Failure proved that Ether did not exist which led to the Theory of Relativity. Airy's Failure had nothing to do with whether the Earth was moving or not. Even so you claim that Airy's Failure as a means to reject the Theory of Relativity.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Some honest questions from a Round Earth believer.

« on: October 19, 2018, 04:15:15 PM »

Someone needs to check the wiki and FAQ. I'll give you some links.
Sunsets: https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Setting_of_the_Sun
timezones work like they do on a round earth. The difference is that it's a disc with the sun orbiting above the north pole. I'll just get you a link to that.
https://wiki.tfes.org/Sun
There ain't no gravity for the flat theory, just universal acceleration: https://wiki.tfes.org/Universal_Acceleration
Sinking ship effect: https://wiki.tfes.org/Sinking_Ship_Effect
As for the conspiracy, that part does not make monetary sense, but there is a wiki for it: https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy

Hope those helped, that wiki is a wonderful source of information, though it does clash with itself in some bits.

Okay, first I'll say thank you for your reply, second... I'll say that I was hoping for something more than just some links to your wiki... Even so, I have some curious follow up questions, this time, please I'd rather not get another link to your wiki, as I'd like to get more personalized responses. Having a wiki is great and all, but Wiki is open source and written by you guys, and as said about you guys disregarding any pictures taken from space... I could go on to link a wiki that reveals the world as being donut shaped, but that doesn't prove the world is a giant donut. So while your wiki might be a wonderful source of "information", I could say the same thing about any website, it doesn't make that information any more or less true.

Follow up question One: This is regarding sun rise and sun set again, as while you have linked a page referencing the Law of Perspective, and while yes the references to a flock of birds or planes makes sense, but this still does not make sense for the sun. I say this because well, simply put clouds. Have you ever watched the sunset or sunrise on a day when there is clouds and the clouds get all beautiful and glowie? You'll note that on such days the light from the sun is hitting the bottoms of the clouds, this would be impossible if the sun were in fact above said clouds, as the light from the sun is always being emitted from the sun, which you've stated is always above the Flat Earth.

Question Two: Through what means does the sun manage to light only a finite area around it manage to maintain the correct time zones? The graphic displayed on your wiki alone would not result in the correct real world time zones, as it does not illuminate enough of the world, or would illuminate too much of the world. You're use of the word Orbit is also curious as in order for something to orbit something else there has to be a force keeping it in place. You say that the sun is like a light from a lighthouse that is constantly orbiting around the north pole, but what makes it orbit the north pole, through what means does this magical sun maintain the correct illumination to maintain the world's time zones.

Question three: The movement of the sun in the sky. In the first article you reversed me, it states that "Although the sun is at all times above the earth's surface, it appears in the morning to ascend from the north-east to the noonday position, and thence to descend and disappear, or set, in the north-west." But what force accounts for the June and December Solstice? On a Flat Earth your sun would have to change speeds and location in order to maintain 24 hour days and the correct movement of the sun through the solstices. On a Globe Earth its tilted axis is what would account for this movement, and also the Seasons.

Question Four: So you're saying that Universal "Acceleration" is the force that keeps me on the ground? Okay, I'm still skeptical of that idea, because well, what controls the tides? Are you going to link me to a page about how the tides are somehow controlled through a magnetic field?(One theory I heard from YouTube), because if you are, don't bother, as anyone who's ever used at refidgerator magnet can probably tell you, water isn't magnetic, thus a magnetic field would have no effect on it.

Well... I was going to make this a question... but you guys seem to not really understand how the Law of Perception works. The Sinking Ship Effect seems more like an attempt to explain something which you cannot explain, using the Law of Preception. The point at which parallel lines converge is known as the VANISHING point, do you know why its called the VANISHING point? I'll give you a slight hint... Its because things VANISH beyond that point, which means YOU CANNOT SEE ANYTHING BEYOND THAT POINT. Which means anything nearing the vanishing point of our vision will grow smaller until it well vanishes. But if the Vanishing point works as the Sinking Ship Effect would have me believe, the sails of a ship remain visible beyond the vanishing point of the hull? I'm not sure what to make of this. This use of the Law of Preception is laughable.

And I'm not even going to get into the last point on the Conspiracy.

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Flat Earth Theory / Some honest questions from a Round Earth believer.

« on: October 19, 2018, 08:25:08 AM »

Now, let me start by saying that I believe in what my own eyes and understanding have led me to believe. I believe the Earth is a globe, BUT I've recently (mostly out of curiosity) wondering why there are people who believe the Earth is flat, and why they believe that. I'm not here to change your views on what you believe, I'm here because I'm curious as to WHY you believe what you believe. I don't believe the Earth is a globe because that what I've been taught in school, I believe the Earth is flat because of things I've observed with my own eyes, and things I've since learned on my own as an adult about our world. As stated I'm a firm believer that the earth is a globe, so assume I know nothing, and don't expect to sway me to your side, well if you all can actually answer my questions...

This first question is simple, how do sun sets and sun rises work on the Flat Earth. From what little knowledge I have about your theory is that the Sun rotates above the Flat Earth, forgive me if that not the case. But if that's how you propose the sun to work, how is it then that the sun rises over the horizon in the morning and set below the horizon in the evening. This is something I've observed with my own eyes every day of my life. A fact I've never even questioned, until I heard about the Flat Earth Theory.

Second Question: is kinda in lines with the first, I know folks from all over the world, chat with some of them on a daily basis, so how do time zones work in the Flat Earth?

Third Question: Gravity, the thing that pulls me down to the ground, the thing that makes the tides go in and out. Gravity is definitely something that wouldn't work with a Flat Earth, so what is your explanation for gravity. Why do I fall back to the ground when I jump? What makes the tides flow in and out if not Gravity? Gravity is something that can and has been tested. Something I've never really questioned its a forced I've observed countless times. Gravity is the reason I broke my wrist years ago falling down a hill.

Fourth Question: Well this one is something I've seen with my own eyes too, and pretty much proves the Earth has a curve to it. Why do ships sailing away across a large body of water disappear bottom first, rather than just get smaller and smaller until you just can't see them anymore? I myself have watched as boats gradually disappear over the horizon. I've seen YouTube Videos of Flat Earthers such as yourselves claiming something like being able to see Chicago's Skyline from Grand Mere State Park, yet I know this to be not true, as the same photo used in said video was taken from a news website clearly stating the picture was a mirage and that the city is not actually able to be seen. And since you all are apparently ready to disregard any photos of earth taken from space, I'm going to disregard any photos regarding the Flat Earth under the same premise of Photos can easily be faked in Photoshop.

Fifth Question: This one I doubt I'm going to get a satisfactory answer to... But why do you all think that NASA and all the other Space Agencies and governments are lying to you about the shape of the thing you're living on? How does it benefit them in any way? When they're accused of spending what would be probably hundreds of billions of dollars to keep this secret?

Well, those are my questions, I'm curious as to your answers. If I've some off as an asshole, I apologize, I am honestly curious to hear what you all have to say, even if we might never see eye to eye. Anyways is 4 AM and I'm tired so... laters.