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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking to talk

« on: July 04, 2018, 02:27:20 AM »

Seeing as my first question hasn’t been followed up on and it’s been about two days, I’m going to move on to my second question.

An observer at the equator looks east. Along that same line of latitude is a tall building. The observer sees it directly East of him. However, on a flat Earth, the building, due to how the Earth curves around the North Pole, would appear slightly north of east. How can this be explained?

If you’re having trouble getting what I’m trying to say, I can draw a diagram for you.

You'll be stunned to learn you aren't the first person to ever notice this and draw it to our attention.

I'm going to use your first question to answer your second.

You have noticed that the other flat earth places claim aircraft would change altitude. And of course they wouldn't. But if they flew east, you also have to appreciate that East is NOT a straight line on a round earth. Otherwise as those flat earthers note, you'd just carry on straight into space. East is a curve around the earth.

On a flat earth we have the same thing. East is NOT a straight line. In fact the dictionary definition of East is

east
noun
a cardinal point of the compass, 90° to the right of north.

And if north is the point in the centre of a disc, then you travel in a circle around north in order to always be at 90 degrees from it.

In Flat Earth Theory, this can be confusing, because as you note, you can have a building North East of you and travel directly East to get to it.

The reality is, things that appear are East of you aren't actually East of you. ... remember its the same problem on a round earth unless you can burrow through it. But to avoid confusion, flat earthers have a more advanced co-ordinate system than their lazy round earth brethren. We actually have 6 cardinal points ... because we include turnwise and widdershins. So you now see something North East of you, and travel Widdershins to get to it. Magnetic compasses use North of course, and if you follow one East, the more precise term is you follow it widdershins ... in a circle, East is just the instantaneous direction that would have a round earther jut out into space.

I made a compass just for you. I hope you feel appreciated.

Ok, I see what you’re saying. However, can you show an actual picture of a structure on the same line of latitude as the observer that appears to be more north than it really is.

Just a reminder, this effect will occur upon a globe Earth as well. The magnitude of the effect will of course vary with ones distance from the equator (as will which direction depending on which way you go off the equator) but as the RE Earth is a sphere, you will see things on the same line of latitude verge slightly to the N/S of a line tangent to that latitude in any location other than the equator. This effect is why the lines of longitude narrow into a single point on both the North and South poles. So showing an image of this would prove nothing without an exacting degree of accuracy (or if it 'bent' to the South in the Southern Hemisphere but even then sufficient accuracy would be required.)

Yeah, I guess that could only be proven at the equator.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking to talk

« on: July 04, 2018, 01:20:00 AM »

Seeing as my first question hasn’t been followed up on and it’s been about two days, I’m going to move on to my second question.

An observer at the equator looks east. Along that same line of latitude is a tall building. The observer sees it directly East of him. However, on a flat Earth, the building, due to how the Earth curves around the North Pole, would appear slightly north of east. How can this be explained?

If you’re having trouble getting what I’m trying to say, I can draw a diagram for you.

You'll be stunned to learn you aren't the first person to ever notice this and draw it to our attention.

I'm going to use your first question to answer your second.

You have noticed that the other flat earth places claim aircraft would change altitude. And of course they wouldn't. But if they flew east, you also have to appreciate that East is NOT a straight line on a round earth. Otherwise as those flat earthers note, you'd just carry on straight into space. East is a curve around the earth.

On a flat earth we have the same thing. East is NOT a straight line. In fact the dictionary definition of East is

east
noun
a cardinal point of the compass, 90° to the right of north.

And if north is the point in the centre of a disc, then you travel in a circle around north in order to always be at 90 degrees from it.

In Flat Earth Theory, this can be confusing, because as you note, you can have a building North East of you and travel directly East to get to it.

The reality is, things that appear are East of you aren't actually East of you. ... remember its the same problem on a round earth unless you can burrow through it. But to avoid confusion, flat earthers have a more advanced co-ordinate system than their lazy round earth brethren. We actually have 6 cardinal points ... because we include turnwise and widdershins. So you now see something North East of you, and travel Widdershins to get to it. Magnetic compasses use North of course, and if you follow one East, the more precise term is you follow it widdershins ... in a circle, East is just the instantaneous direction that would have a round earther jut out into space.

I made a compass just for you. I hope you feel appreciated.

Ok, I see what you’re saying. However, can you show an actual picture of a structure on the same line of latitude as the observer that appears to be more north than it really is.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking to talk

« on: July 03, 2018, 12:20:23 PM »

Can someone answer my questions?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking to talk

« on: July 01, 2018, 11:40:16 AM »

Seeing as my first question hasn’t been followed up on and it’s been about two days, I’m going to move on to my second question.

An observer at the equator looks east. Along that same line of latitude is a tall building. The observer sees it directly East of him. However, on a flat Earth, the building, due to how the Earth curves around the North Pole, would appear slightly north of east. How can this be explained?

If you’re having trouble getting what I’m trying to say, I can draw a diagram for you.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking to talk

« on: June 29, 2018, 04:32:59 PM »

Either way, can you answer the second part of the question?

Define "turning". If you're using a compass to, say, keep your course due East, there will be no need for you to deviate from "due East" at any point in time.

Yes, but wouldn’t a pilot notice that the compass was repeatedly ending up South of East and they repeatedly had to turn North as they made a wide circle around the North pole. Traveling East, they would end up having to turn left much more than right and the reverse for heading West.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: But Why?

« on: June 29, 2018, 04:15:40 PM »

2. https://youtu.be/zhp-FTYSGe8
This video provides multiple citations that back up his claims. Sorry if you don't like the humor or if it offends you.

The main argument of that video is that the moon landing couldn't have been fake because the shadows are straight and don't diverge. However, that is not true. Diverging shadows was one of the first things people pointed out.

There may be explanations for some of those photos, but there are plenty of diverging shadows and whoever made that video apparently did not do any research at all.

But what about point #1?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking to talk

« on: June 29, 2018, 04:13:00 PM »

Ok, so I’ve heard Flat Earther’s claim that in a round Earth, planes should have to keep pointing their noses down to avoid flying into space.

I think someone may have been trying to pull your leg. Flat Earthers tend to understand the Round Earth model better than that.

Either way, can you answer the second part of the question?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking to talk

« on: June 29, 2018, 04:04:25 PM »

I’m looking to have a discussion with a flat earther about their hypothesis. I believe I’ve come up with a few points that disprove the earth being flat and want to see what they have to say.
Just to be clear: I would like to talk to someone who will actually read my argument, respond with reasonable logic, and not turn this into a shouting match.

i will give it a go, i dont shout, and i consider both points of view.  shoot away

Ok, so I’ve heard Flat Earther’s claim that in a round Earth, planes should have to keep pointing their noses down to avoid flying into space.
So, in a flat Earth, why don’t planes circumnavigating the Earth have to keep turning North in order to avoid flying South past Antarctica and over the edge?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Yet another GPS Post: stationary radio towers can not mimic GPS signals

« on: June 29, 2018, 11:51:22 AM »

Fine, here is the map for iridium satellites and outages then :  http://downdetector.com/status/iridium/map/

Interesting they used a flat earth map with Antarctica shown as an ice wall.... 

But feel free to keep clutching for straws

I don’t know what map you’re looking at, but that link goes to the typical representation of Earth when a globe is inconvenient for 2D screens.

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Flat Earth Theory / Looking to talk

« on: June 29, 2018, 11:08:26 AM »

I’m looking to have a discussion with a flat earther about their hypothesis. I believe I’ve come up with a few points that disprove the earth being flat and want to see what they have to say.
Just to be clear: I would like to talk to someone who will actually read my argument, respond with reasonable logic, and not turn this into a shouting match.