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Does it really matter? We've proved you are able to go to Antarctica, albeit an expensive way. What's the problem? We've never seen the ice wall, but we have seen Antarctica. We've won this debate, it doesn't make sense to continue it.
His points boiled down to either A) It's very expensive to make an Antarctic expedition. Which, duh much? If you've paid any attention to those who have done it, or thought about it at all this is obvious. Or B) Attempting to show it's impossible to do it. Which the long list of expeditions POST TREATY clearly prove is untrue.The fact that there was an Antarctic Treaty signed by 50 countries as soon as Admiral Byrd discovered something in Antarctica, now no-one can do an independent exploration there.
You know you can pay money and go there, right?
https://www.adventureconsultants.com/expeditions/antarctica/south-pole-all-the-way/book-now
You can't perform independent exploration ... you are chauffeured like a child by the government
That's not true. You can do whatever you want, it's just really dangerous.
This guy died living out his dream:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151109-south-pole-antarctic-explorers-shackleton-expedition/
All you have to do is promise to be ecologically responsible and pay for potential rescue.
Start here, you fill out this form and tell them what you want to do, their job is to make sure you don't kill yourself.
https://antarctic-logistics.com/expedition_planning_questionnaire/
He was referencing information from official websites and what he laid out made perfect sense that it is literally impossible ... there was nothing untrue about it
Sorry, but he's cobbled together a case based entirely on the desire to make one for the end result he already wants/anticipates ignoring all evidence to the contrary. See my post earlier that you skipped over for evidence of trips debunking most of his claims (besides the sled dog and costs bits).
Thanks for linking to the middle of the video where he starts to explain things.
15:53: "You can't use motorized vehicles." Not true, you can use motorized vehicles as long as you aren't disturbing wildlife, and there's about zero wildlife in interior Antarctica.
Here's a recent snowmobile expedition - it didn't succeed, but due to weather and equipment failure. They had permission, they just failed. Or are you saying the government controls the weather too?
They were planning on like a 4000km trip.
16:33 "You can't use sled dogs". This is true! The claim is that they might spread viruses to seals. But it doesn't matter, because you can use snowmobiles or other motorized transport, see above.
17:04 "Don't damage plants" - no problem, if you're on snow there are no plants. See above lists of expeditions that have happened.
Are there any other points? If you could summarize them as I have done it's easier to respond to than trudging through a 30 minute video full of conspiracy theories.
Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiE
Very informative video Tom cheers
its 15:50 into the video if the url link isn't working properly
That's a 30 minute video and you replied 4 minutes after Tom posted. I watched the first 7 minutes of it and it's all just conspiracy theories. Can you please point to a specific part of the video, or some text reference to explain why this is impossible? I don't have time to dig through 30 minutes of ranting about "fake" moon landings.
I've shown that you can contact an independent company to help you plan and execute an antarctic expedition, and I've shown you one person who died doing a solo antarctic expedition of his own design just a few years ago.
You can go wherever you want to in antarctica, you just need the money to be prepared for the very dangerous conditions.
Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiE
Very informative video Tom cheers
That's a 30 minute video and you replied 4 minutes after Tom posted. I watched the first 7 minutes of it and it's all just conspiracy theories. Can you please point to a specific part of the video, or some text reference to explain why this is impossible? I don't have time to dig through 30 minutes of ranting about "fake" moon landings.
I've shown that you can contact an independent company to help you plan and execute an antarctic expedition, and I've shown you one person who died doing a solo antarctic expedition of his own design just a few years ago.
You can go wherever you want to in antarctica, you just need the money to be prepared for the very dangerous conditions.
The fact that there was an Antarctic Treaty signed by 50 countries as soon as Admiral Byrd discovered something in Antarctica, now no-one can do an independent exploration there.
You know you can pay money and go there, right?
https://www.adventureconsultants.com/expeditions/antarctica/south-pole-all-the-way/book-now
You can't perform independent exploration ... you are chauffeured like a child by the government
That's not true. You can do whatever you want, it's just really dangerous.
This guy died living out his dream:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151109-south-pole-antarctic-explorers-shackleton-expedition/
All you have to do is promise to be ecologically responsible and pay for potential rescue.
Start here, you fill out this form and tell them what you want to do, their job is to make sure you don't kill yourself.
https://antarctic-logistics.com/expedition_planning_questionnaire/
Ok I'm convinced.
You basically just linked me to the rest of the video again. He's just making more untrue claims through much of the next few minutes. Guess I'll watch it later, but so far have yet to see anything that either A) I didn't know already or B) Stops this hypothetical expedition from occurring.The link isn't bookmarked anywhere. I listened to the first 5 minutes and he's already made 2 errors, and has yet to present any evidence. Just sum it up, post an actual link to where he give evidence, or post his 'evidence' yourself please.Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiECliff notes? Sorry, not watching a 30 min video right now, especially if it boils down to "Antarctica is cold and inhospitable, making going here difficult" because, well duh. Again, with the proper funding, and reasons within the bounds of the treaty, you're free to go there. The fact that the former might be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn't change this fact.
Its bookmarked at the right point ... you only have to listen for a minute or two
basically from here on out it explains thoroughly how it is made impossible through the pretence of environment protection.
The link isn't bookmarked anywhere. I listened to the first 5 minutes and he's already made 2 errors, and has yet to present any evidence. Just sum it up, post an actual link to where he give evidence, or post his 'evidence' yourself please.Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiECliff notes? Sorry, not watching a 30 min video right now, especially if it boils down to "Antarctica is cold and inhospitable, making going here difficult" because, well duh. Again, with the proper funding, and reasons within the bounds of the treaty, you're free to go there. The fact that the former might be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn't change this fact.
Its bookmarked at the right point ... you only have to listen for a minute or two
I listened. So what?Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiECliff notes? Sorry, not watching a 30 min video right now, especially if it boils down to "Antarctica is cold and inhospitable, making going here difficult" because, well duh. Again, with the proper funding, and reasons within the bounds of the treaty, you're free to go there. The fact that the former might be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn't change this fact.
Its bookmarked at the right point ... you only have to listen for a minute or two
Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiECliff notes? Sorry, not watching a 30 min video right now, especially if it boils down to "Antarctica is cold and inhospitable, making going here difficult" because, well duh. Again, with the proper funding, and reasons within the bounds of the treaty, you're free to go there. The fact that the former might be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn't change this fact.
Why not go yourself?Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiE
Very informative video Tom cheers
Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiE
https://www.coolantarctica.com/Travel/south_shetland_islands.php
Take a cup of water, start driving, stay at a constant speed. Does the water fall out
Hahaha it would if I was doing donuts! And we supposedly live on a sphere, not in a cup... so yeah if the water was around the outside of the cup, I'd be soaking!
So does this prove gravity? Or Centripetal Force?
Does it though?
No but that wasn't the point.
You're claiming water would fly out of control in a cup spinning rapidly in circles. Based on this video what are thoughts now? Have you done any experiments to verify your claim?
I haven't so that's why I'm asking.
"Freedom of scientific investigation in Antarctica and cooperation toward that end … shall continue" Meaning if you have a reason, you can freely go there.
In the Antarctic TreatyYes you can. All you need is the funding, and a legitimate scientific reason to be going there. This is the entire purpose of the Antarctica treaty. Just because you can't fulfill one or both of the requirements, doesn't mean it can't be done.The fact that there was an Antarctic Treaty signed by 50 countries as soon as Admiral Byrd discovered something in Antarctica, now no-one can do an independent exploration there.
You know you can pay money and go there, right?
https://www.adventureconsultants.com/expeditions/antarctica/south-pole-all-the-way/book-now
You can't perform independent exploration ... you are chauffeured like a child by the government
Where does it say this?
Yes you can. All you need is the funding, and a legitimate scientific reason to be going there. This is the entire purpose of the Antarctica treaty. Just because you can't fulfill one or both of the requirements, doesn't mean it can't be done.The fact that there was an Antarctic Treaty signed by 50 countries as soon as Admiral Byrd discovered something in Antarctica, now no-one can do an independent exploration there.
You know you can pay money and go there, right?
https://www.adventureconsultants.com/expeditions/antarctica/south-pole-all-the-way/book-now
You can't perform independent exploration ... you are chauffeured like a child by the government
I gave you my proof, now please present yours. Oh wait, there is none.
What do you want me to prove? If you are asking me to prove gravity, I can't, no-one can.
Everyone can, go look up how to prove gravity.