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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Two points of rotation for Flat Earth model Dome's and wrong Altmap model

« on: January 19, 2018, 01:32:44 PM »

Hello,

I find very interesting the discussion concerning the path of the Sun, however I would like, if you want it well, that we remain in the initial subject which is the points of rotation of the sky map (Dome and not the path of the Sun) because, we grant to say and to think that the path of the sun is independent of the dome.

Thank you very much.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Two points of rotation for Flat Earth model Dome's and wrong Altmap model

« on: January 18, 2018, 06:50:11 PM »

Thank you very much Mr Tom Bishop for you answer.

We are aware of this and have addressed this phenomena over 100 years ago. Rowbotham's original model only contained one celestial and magnetic pole, but after Earth Not a Globe was published the South Pole was discovered and the society revised the Flat Earth model to account for the new evidence. Read the book Zetetic Astronomy by Lady Blount and Albert Smith. The model is also discussed in Albert Smith's The Sea-Earth Globe and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions.

As for why this hasn't caught on with the wider Flat Earth community, I can only speculate that it is because these later post-ENAG works became available online much later than Earth Not a Globe did and the information has not yet been fully digested and discussed. That first book is so newly online that we don't even have a copy of it in our Library yet, for example.

I read the Zetetic Astronomy i' have been to find the Chapter reference:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/library/books/Zetetic%20Astronomy%20(Lady%20Blount%20and%20Albert%20Smith).pdf

C h a p t e r IV.
TWO “ PO L ES ” AND TWO VORTICES.
We have seen, from the foregoing evidence that _ there
must be TWO “ poles ” ; but while we as Zetetics admit this
fact, we still deny that these “ poles ” are such as would be
required by a globe at each end of its supposed polar axis.
They are simply magnetic poles like the “ poles ” of an
ordinary magnet, and not the poles of a rotatory sphere of
any kind.
It may be objected that the earth’s magnetic poles do not
quite correspond with the celestial poles. True ! but this
may arise from the fact that the celestial and terrestrial fields
of magnetic operation, though generally the same, are not
quite coincident. But this difference may be easily accounted
for. There are two celestial poles and two terrestrial poles,
and the fact that these poles are alike magnetic, will account
for their slightly different positions ; as also for the fact that
these poles gradually alter their geographical areas. But
we cannot at present enter further into this interesting
question. Nature seems to work in pairs. We have heaven
and earth ; the sun and moon ; man and woman ; positive
and negative

The article suggests that the author can not really answer the question without going through a purely speculative (Zetetic?)
alternative:

There are two celestial poles and two terrestrial poles,
and the fact that these poles are alike magnetic, will account
for their slightly different positions ; as also for the fact that
these poles gradually alter their geographical areas. But
we cannot at present enter further into this interesting
question. Nature seems to work in pairs. We have heaven
and earth ; the sun and moon ; man and woman ; positive
and negative

I admit that I am dubious about the relevance of this approach.

Know that I waiting forward to the continuation of the work of the Flat earth society on this subject.

I thank you for the attention you have given to my message, and believe that I encourage you to provide us with a model consistent with the phenomenon observed, I have no doubt that you will get there.

Thank you very much.

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Flat Earth Theory / Two points of rotation for Flat Earth model Dome's and wrong Altmap model

« on: January 18, 2018, 02:04:43 PM »

Hi,

sorry for my English i'am French.

I contact you for resolve problem with rotation of Dome.

In the earth we can observe 2 points of rotation in differents flat earth regions in the same time.

The first point of rotation is around Polar Star in constellation Ursa Minor:

(Timelaps picture from Mauna Kea observatory) : https://i.pinimg.com/474x/11/b9/90/11b990bf46415dba04c20015b61e8502--star-trails-long-exposure.jpg

The second point of rotation is around Beta Hydri in the southern circumpolar constellation:

(Timelaps piscture frome Australian Observatory): http://oldweb.aao.gov.au/images/image/aat006_6x6.jpg

How it's possible to have that in the same time?

Also this observation invalid this model with standard Dome rotation: https://wiki.tfes.org/images/c/c2/Altmap.png

Because the the southern circumpolar constellation (can be view in Australia) must be viewing in North Europe or North America with typically Dome model, like that: https://ibb.co/kg3X46

Or we can't view southern circumpolar constellation in North Europe or North America.

This altmap or Dome model rotation is wrong.

How to have 2 observable differents skymap constellations with 1 Dome?
https://preview.ibb.co/nnFOSR/sm_representation.png

Thank you.