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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Structure of the solar system

« on: March 13, 2018, 08:53:31 AM »

Since you're not likely to get much of a response from any FEers, I'll take a swing based on what I've learned. For the non-dome FEers, the planets all orbit the Sun above the Earth. Since the Sun is only 3000 miles away, the planets are also roughly that distance. Because of the close proximity, the planets are supposedly much smaller than they actually are. Kuiper belt and Oort cloud aren't accounted for and I think most FEers would deny their existence. How any of this works based on what we see is another question entirely, but those are the basics.

How do you explain the variation in temperatures between the planets if the sun is above the earth? The sun is 4.379 million km in circumference so it is pretty big. Venus is much hotter than Earth so is Mercury but the sun is above the Earth so Earth must be hotter. The sun is 5,505 °C. We would have died by now if it was 3000 miles away. We are in the goldilocks zone where the temperature is just right for liquid water. 3000 miles will have made that all gas by now and will have changed the composition of the atmosphere long ago. So we wouldn't be alive.

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Flat Earth Theory / Structure of the solar system

« on: March 08, 2018, 08:05:18 PM »

So the FE society believes that the sun and the moon both hover/orbit/circle above the Earth according to their twitter (I saw a picture on the official flat earth society twitter). Since the sun is a star how does its gravity not pull in the moon or the Earth? How do the other planets, asteroids, comets all orbit the sun. The furthest point of the solar system in the Oort Cloud is around one light year away and this is kept in a steady orbit around the sun. How does the FE society explain the orbit of other planets around the sun? Also if the sun is above the Earth then how is it hotter on Mercury and Venus than it is on Earth? The sun is a big enough object to cause a steady orbit. What do the other planets orbit around if it isn't the sun? Also the sun and the moon being above the Earth doesn't really match the physics of a steady orbit.

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Flat Earth Theory / Structure of the solar system

« on: March 07, 2018, 06:50:27 PM »

I'm back after my week off. This is an actual question because I don't actually know what the FE society believes.

What is the structure of the solar system? Since Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, the asteroids in the Asteroid belt and the many comets and rocky remains in the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud all theoretically orbit the Sun, what is the view of the FE society on the structure of the solar system? The furthest point that orbits the sun or under strong influence of its gravity is around one light year away (About 10 trillion km), so where is the sun according to the FE society. If it isn't the centre how can it influence the orbit of other planets?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Below the Earth

« on: February 28, 2018, 05:51:12 PM »

TBH no one knows what could be under but the theory is that NASA is slowly chipping away at the bottom of the earth. That's why there have been so many earthquakes in the recent years. They want to scrap this world and take the most genetically superior to their space station and do Xenos knows what.

Wow. We're going to get kidnapped by NASA. Good prediction but with advances in technology we are recording more earthquakes not getting more. We can't really look at an accurate number of earthquakes in the 50s, 60s etc.

Also, I don't scrapping a world that has so much liquid water, is in the Goldilocks zone and is perfect for life is worth it. Especially since trying to get to another planet even at the speed of light would take years and years. Interstellar distances are pretty big. 

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Flat Earth Community / Re: SpaceX BFR

« on: February 27, 2018, 06:47:53 PM »

I apologize for not posting a good question with this post.  Let me try again.
How many of you will be willing to ride on this rocket to take a look out the window at the earth if it really is going to cost ~$1000?

I definitely will go and report back to you.

I was told to write my question on a different thread around the same topic by a moderator so.

What are the thought on the SpaceX live stream where the curved earth is clearly shown in the background. Does anyone agree or disagree? I am curious to hear people's thoughts.

SpaceX launched a car to space and in teh background of the live stream they put up, there was a spherical object. It was Earth. Since SpaceX has no government affiliation. What is everyone's thoughts on this topic?

Personally, I don't think it was edited or fake. 

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: SpaceX?

« on: February 27, 2018, 04:04:37 PM »

This is not a question for FE Q&A.

Moved.

It is a question though? Why does it not belong here??

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: SpaceX?

« on: February 27, 2018, 03:44:51 PM »

What are the thoughts on the pictures of the Earth from the SpaceX live stream?

If you don't know then let me sum it up. They launched a car into space and did a live stream of it floating around if you will. In the background you see a spherical object. That object is the Earth. Does anyone disagree with that?

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Science & Alternative Science / SpaceX?

« on: February 27, 2018, 08:39:31 AM »

What is everyone's thoughts on the SpaceX live stream? Did anyone disbelieve the film of the Earth? Thoughts?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: This is a serious, curious question.

« on: February 27, 2018, 08:37:57 AM »

The "edge" and the Ice Wall are two different things - so the answer to your question depends on what you meant.

The Ice Wall can be trivially observed from a distance, and plenty of photos are available.

The "edge" is a hypothetical concept proposed mainly by finite-plane FE'ers and (more commonly) RE'ers. It may or may not exist, and it is most likely undiscoverable either way.

Those photos are glaciers.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A question about air planes.

« on: February 20, 2018, 10:29:28 PM »

I don't want any sympathy young man. I am not a snowflake.
My experience in life which is over three times longer then your is I don't trust people in power.
They lie cheat and steel none stop.
Family is all one can trust.

What is the value of gravity?
G is referred to as the acceleration of gravity. Its value is 9.8 m/s2 on Earth. That is to say, the acceleration of gravity on the surface of the earth at sea level is 9.8 m/s2.
They claim the earth moves at 460 meters per second.
At 460 meters per second standard gravity is 46.91.
That doesn't add up.

It doesn't add up because it doesn't add up. Standard gravity? That makes no sense. Your weight is 9.8 N/kg, that is what is pulling you down because of gravity. We spin at a constant rate. Rotation doesn't really influence gravity that much apart from the equatorial bulge. The earth spins fast but we have proved that gravity is only slightly impacted.

Also, gravity is felt as a force that pulls us toward an objects centre of mass. That is correct. If the Earth were flat does that mean people in the countries close to "the edge" would be leaning toward the centre of mass. So at some point you would feel a force of gravity perpendicular to, well, up. (I looked at a flat earth map by the way) People in the very south of South America would basically be almost horizontal because gravity would pull them toward the centre of mass.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A question about air planes.

« on: February 20, 2018, 08:17:48 PM »

"Society is not that messed up." Yes it is. And it has been for a long time.
I was regularly beaten by teachers in school and even locked up in a chair closet for a week and that was in the 70's, Even fist fights in grade 7 fighting back because i was tired of getting the beatings.
Do you know how many native Canadian Indians where killed in schools by the government? Close to 6000.

The school text books have been taken over by the controlling elite.
 
“I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers.” – John D. Rockefeller,



    “In our dream we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand.  The present educational conventions fade from our minds; and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk.  We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or of science.  We are not to raise up among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters.  We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians.  Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them lawyers, doctors, preachers, statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply."

            - Rev. Frederick T. Gates, Business Advisor to John D. Rockefeller Sr., 1913 [1]


The Truth About The School System In A Two Minute Video
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/10/24/the-truth-about-the-school-system-in-a-two-minute-video/


Compass don't point to the north pole, they change all the time because they point to the magnetic pole. Big difference between the two.

People go to the magnetic pole.

As you mentioned the distance is greater at the equator then the poles. So why do pictures of earth not show it?
Print a global picture and take a compass to it and look at see, no differences.

Global Earth speed, 460 meters per second at the equator and zero at the pole. And only a tiny bit of gravity difference as you mentioned. Doesn't add up.

What doesn't add up? There maybe is no difference to the naked eye because earth is pretty big. I cannot see a difference with my eye on a picture but the shape of a sphere changes relative the the speed of its spin. The earth spins relatively slow but there is a bulge. There is a small difference so what doesn't add up? I don't understand what you are unsure about.

Also I understand problems with the school system because, well, I'm 15 and I go to school. There aren't as many problems now though. I don't want to discuss problems with society because we would be here forever. They didn't indoctrinate every student because someone would have proved it wrong by now. I am sorry for your experiences at school and fortunately we have policies to try and prevent students going through that now. I believe in the flaws in the school system and that they should be fixed. Enough of that though. Let us focus on other things.

The north magnetic pole would still take you north as well so my point about going from the UK to the US through the north pole still stands.

But please tell me what doesn't add up. I don't understand what you are misunderstanding.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A question about air planes.

« on: February 20, 2018, 06:54:36 PM »

The center is the north pole.
Have you even looked at the flat earth map?
If you had you would know where the center is.

My mentioning of the word northern hemisphere is the public school indoctrination coming out.
Relearning everything I was taught as a kid is hard work. Brainwashing takes time to erode.

Flat earth can be measured as well.

Gravity is a good point to bring up.
If the world spun then gravity would be much stronger at the equator then the pole.
Technically the exact point of the poles would be zero gravity or darn close to it.

Gravity at the poles being zero. Nah.  The gravity is in fact stronger at the poles due to the equatorial bulge. The equator bulges because a spinning body has a force exerted on it due to its rotation. This cause it to form a oblate spheroid rather than a sphere. Therefore the distance from the equator is slightly larger than the poles. Gravity weakens with distance so this variation in distance causes a slight variation in the gravitational pull on objects in that area. This difference is very low but can be measured (It has been measured). The gravity is slightly stronger at the poles compared to the equator. This has been measured and the measurements show that. How is it possible if the Earth is flat?  Doesn't the flat Earth mean the equatorial bulge doesn't exist? This means that the gravity is the same. But it isn't. Also the gravity is not zero at the poles because of spin. Gravity is a warping of space-time due to the mass of an object and all the observers would feel gravity from that object. Gravity is felt at the poles otherwise people who visited the poles would have jumped for joy and never returned. They would have just floated off. They didn't by the way. The poles are at a point where spin doesn't really make a change of scenery but this doesn't mean a change in gravity. What evidence do you have to show that it is zero or close to it.

You say the north pole is at the centre. You do know that a compass follows this. So if I go from my home in England and follow a compass north I will go over Antarctica and reach the USA ( I looked at a flat earth map for that). The USA is west of England. So if I reach the north pole and kept going north ignoring the compass I could go on a nice vacation in the US. Good tip.

Finally, a "public school indoctrination." Society is not that messed up. I mean if someone were to grow up dreaming of becoming a NASA employee as a physicist, they would learn all this stuff in university and school and find it all to be a lie. Someone would have said by now through anger.

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Flat Earth Theory / This is a serious, curious question.

« on: February 20, 2018, 04:09:24 PM »

I don't believe in the Earth being flat and I don't mind other people believing otherwise. Let me say that first. If you believe the earth to be flat, round, egg shaped, on the back of a turtle, I don't mind. However, I have a serious question.

If the Earth is flat. How has no one found the edge? The "ice wall?" Surely with the expeditions done by many pioneers, to set world records, to reach the south pole and to circumnavigate the Earth, someone must have found any resemblance of an edge.

I am curious to learn something new. I am being serious by the way. I am open to ideas.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A question about air planes.

« on: February 20, 2018, 04:03:25 PM »

Yes it is sir. I was told it was that for over 50 years so it takes a long time to deprogram. But I am working on it.

Lets take a closer look at the words origin.
I like to go back as far as possible when defining words to get to the closet meaning.

hemisphere (n.)

late 14c., hemysperie, in reference to the celestial sphere, from Late Latin hemisphaerium, from Greek hemisphairion, from hemi- "half" (see hemi-) + sphaira "sphere" (see sphere). Spelling reformed 16c. Of the Earth, from 1550s; of the brain, 1804.

Lets look up "celestial sphere" since that is what a hemisphere is described as.

celestial (adj.)

late 14c., "pertaining to the sky or the visible heavens; pertaining to the Christian or pagan heaven," from Old French celestial "celestial, heavenly, sky-blue," from Latin caelestis "heavenly, pertaining to the sky," from caelum "heaven, sky; abode of the gods; climate," which is of uncertain origin; perhaps from PIE *kaid-slo-, perhaps from a root also found in Germanic and Baltic meaning "bright, clear" (compare Lithuanian skaidrus "shining, clear;" Old English hador, German heiter "clear, shining, cloudless," Old Norse heið "clear sky").

The Latin word is the source of the usual word for "sky" in most of the Romance languages, such as French ciel, Spanish cielo, Italian cielo. Transferred sense of "heavenly, very delightful" in English is from early 15c. Celestial Empire "China" is from 1808, translating native names.

So "celestial" = heaven or blue sky.


sphere (n.)

mid-15c., Latinized spelling of Middle English spere (c. 1300) "cosmos; space, conceived as a hollow globe about the world," from Anglo-French espiere, Old French espere (13c., Modern French sphère), from Latin sphaera "globe, ball, celestial sphere" (Medieval Latin spera), from Greek sphaira "globe, ball, playing ball, terrestrial globe," a word of unknown origin.

From late 14c. in reference to any of the supposed concentric, transparent, hollow, crystalline globes of the cosmos believed to revolve around the earth and contain the planets and the fixed stars; the supposed harmonious sound they made rubbing against one another was the music of the spheres (late 14c.). Also from late 14c. as "a globe; object of spherical form, a ball," and the geometric sense "solid figure with all points equidistant from the center." Meaning "range of something, place or scene of activity" is first recorded c. 1600 (as in sphere of influence, 1885, originally in reference to Anglo-German colonial rivalry in Africa).

Wow. Not what I expected to see. Hollow crystalline globes that revolves around the earth.
Only one mention that a ball could resemble a sphere.
"solid figure with all points equidistant from the center." looks like the flat earth map to me more then the globe because there is no one center on a globe.

The initial crust of the earth or the mantle below is equidistant. If you remove mountains or not take into account minor changes in altitude it is a sphere. There is a centre. Centre of gravity? The centre that we can measure? It is not a perfect sphere. If the Earth was flat, where would the centre be? What location on Earth would be the centre? Is there a hemisphere around the earth resembling an atmosphere? A "hollow crystalline globe?" Also the definition of a sphere shows the shape of a ball or a rounded object, for example the Earth. When I say half of a sphere I mean the area of the entire sphere split into two. I was saying half a sphere because you said the northern hemisphere. That suggests you are talking about a sphere. Also, I wouldn't rely on old definitions because we have evolved in terms of knowledge since then. In ancient Greece they discovered that the sun did not orbit us. When great pioneers sailed the seas they found no edge, showing the Earth was round. Rely on the definition I looked up yesterday. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Sun temperatures

« on: February 19, 2018, 11:21:11 PM »

The sun is pretty hot. We live in the habitable zone. Any closer, we would die. Any further away, we would die. The sun is so hot that that fraction of a distance does not matter. Might not be to do with distance but the curvature of the Earth and the composition of the atmosphere above it. And the weather depends on a lot of variables. Greenhouse gas, altitude, air pressure, humidity to name a few. Distance is a factor but not of that much influence.

You are right on every point if the world is a ball.
But if it is flat you are wrong on every point.

Thanks man. I wake up everyday for people like you! If the earth was flat then the distance between the close and far side wouldn't exist. And the earth isn't flat so I'm right on every point. And the atmosphere, humidity, altitude would still exist on a flat earth? I love this website  . What would influence climate if it was flat then??

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Another person that just has a couple questions just because I'm curious. Thanks

« on: February 19, 2018, 11:18:29 PM »

They are using word smithing in that article like lawyers and judges use.


cir·cum··nav·i·ga·tion
ˌsərkəmˌnaviˈɡāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: circumnavigation; plural noun: circumnavigations

    the action or process of sailing or otherwise traveling all the way around something, especially the world.
    "he completed the fastest solo circumnavigation in a small vessel"
        the action of going around or avoiding an obstacle.
        "our leisurely circumnavigation of the rocks"
        the action of avoiding something difficult or unpleasant.

You see it?
Circumnavigation = the action of going around or avoiding an obstacle and the action of avoiding something difficult or unpleasant.

They spelt it out to the public but the public misunderstood the meaning of the word.


Bill Clinton ""It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

*sigh* Wouldn't someone have fallen off by now

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A question about air planes.

« on: February 19, 2018, 11:12:44 PM »

Both are in the northern hemisphere and not even close to the edge.
The Arctic Circle is the center circle which is small and the outer circle is Antarctic circle which is massive.
Ask your self this question.
Why do flights fly from Canada to Europe fly over the North pole but from South Americas tip they have no flight to Australia over the South Pole?
The flights they do have follow the round the world yacht racers course.
Which I believe is the 60 parallel. (Off the top of my head so it might be wrong) 
The true around the world is the yacht race course.
Place the race coarse over the flat earth map and you will see what I am talking about.

@retlaw A hemisphere is half a sphere by the way.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Honest Question

« on: February 19, 2018, 11:10:18 PM »

Obviously they are hiding something very important. The answers lie beyond the ice wall which has as yet not been navigated.

GAME OF THRONES!!!! The ice wall. Ice wall. A wall of ice sitting on the edge. If I took a boat to the "edge" I would find a wall of ice. It has not been located maybe because it isn't there. I mean you could go find it. A plane would have probably hit it by now.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A question about air planes.

« on: February 19, 2018, 11:04:35 PM »

Both are in the northern hemisphere and not even close to the edge.
The Arctic Circle is the center circle which is small and the outer circle is Antarctic circle which is massive.
Ask your self this question.
Why do flights fly from Canada to Europe fly over the North pole but from South Americas tip they have no flight to Australia over the South Pole?
The flights they do have follow the round the world yacht racers course.
Which I believe is the 60 parallel. (Off the top of my head so it might be wrong) 
The true around the world is the yacht race course.
Place the race coarse over the flat earth map and you will see what I am talking about.

What countries border this "edge" of the "flat earth." Please tell me, I would love to know.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Sun temperatures

« on: February 19, 2018, 10:53:47 PM »

"If the Sun were super close, we would be fried by temps and radiation."

Yes we would if the sun was what they said it was.
But what if it was not what they said it was? What if it was much smaller but closer.
Wouldn't a sun very close to us and much smaller give us greater temperature variations between raise and set from noon and winter to summer?

Its winter time outside right now and as I speak the sun is shining bright but where is the heat? It only makes sense that there is not much heat because the sun is closer then father and smaller then bigger.
If it was father and bigger the difference from set and raise to noon temperatures would be minuscule because  the numbers say so.
But if it was closer and smaller the differences in temperatures would be much greater because the differences in percentages wouldn't be .00000 but in full percentage points.
That would fit in line with temperature swings.

The position of the Earth on its axis, curvature and other variables. NASA is sending a probe closer to the sun than ever before and it will take a very long time to get there. The distance 93 million miles. Might take a while. Your statement is understandable don't get me wrong but you aren't thinking of all the other factors.