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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 06:35:16 PM »

I drew out the phenomenon on a skychart to show how anything pointing "away" from the horizon doesn't really make sense.

Perhaps horizon isn't the best word to use. The moon is pointing AWAY from the earth in this illustration. The center point is out into space. It needs to be pointing TOWARDS the earth, since the sun is on the day side.

I'd argue anytime the moon is in a gibbous phase the lighted part is pointed towards the Earth. We can see the center of the lit side (where it's high noon on the moon) so it's certainly pointed closer to us than away from us. Regardless though, no matter what the naked eye tells you, the string trick *always* works, proving it's the sun lighting up the moon. Even when the sun is below the horizion, the moon points to it, and you can verify this by using a free stargazing app on your smart phone to see where the RE model predicts the sun should be.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 06:08:39 PM »

The moon phase is still pointing towards the horizon in both of those images. You need the moon phase to point AWAY from the horizon.

Can you draw on a skychart how the lighted part of the moon would ever not be pointing at the horizon? The horizon is a circle completely surrounding us so the only way I can see that as possible is during a new moon, which isn't what we're talking about.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does the "spotlight" sun FE model explain long summer days in Australia?

« on: February 24, 2018, 03:35:22 PM »

Yes, in order to accurately represent RE beliefs, the Earth would have to be round, and not flat. What are you hoping to accomplish by stating this?

So, to be clear, you reject the claim that Australians today are experiencing 13 hours of sunlight?

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Flat Earth Theory / How does the "spotlight" sun FE model explain long summer days in Australia?

« on: February 24, 2018, 08:15:38 AM »

I've lurked these forums for a while and crawled through the wiki, but I've never seen this pretty obvious question addressed.

Today in Sydney the sun will rise at 6:38 AM and set at 7:38 PM. The source is https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/australia/sydney and if that were drastically wrong I'm sure one of the 24 million Australians would have noticed by now.

However, every seasonal diagram shown on the wiki looks like this:



Notice in the south they seem to only be getting at most 8h days despite the Sun being over the equator. In order to accurately recreate the info on Time and Date, the spotlight would need to look something like this:



How is this possible? How does the Sun shine around a dark spot and light up the other side in December? Especially when the given explanation for sunsets is the Sun moving too far away to see anymore.

For the record, the heliocentric model explains seasons like this:


In the RE model, the Sun always lights up half of the spheroid and seasons are determined by which pole is angled towards the Sun at a given point in the orbit.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 07:32:50 AM »

You were also told to hold a string up and stretch it between the moon and the sun, and this would show the moon's lit face pointing at the sun.

One of the examples I quoted was taken one hour after sunset. The moon is still pointing into the sky. How does your string example make sense?

The few who tried it acknowledged this worked, while you attempted to argue there was some form of duplicity inherent in the experiment and refused to even attempt it, whether with a string or a straight edge. I seem to recall Junker even chiming in that the string trick worked, although I would need to go digging to verify this for sure. You need to stop dismissing explanations simply because you either don't understand them, or don't think they can be correct by glancing at them. Your video, and by extension the picture, don't take into account some optical issues to do with the sky being a sphere.

How does connecting the moon and the sun with a string show that the moon is pointed at the sun? It is possible to connect any two points in your vision.

In a 3D model of an arrow pointing at a sphere, the arrow should ALWAYS be pointed at the sphere, from wherever you look at it. There can't be an illusion where the arrow is not pointing at the sphere. From wherever you are around the objects, the arrow will be pointed at the sphere.

The discussion has gotten a bit bogged down in specifics over the last few pages, but here's what we mean by the lighted side of the moon always pointing at the sun, even after sunset:

I drew out the phenomenon on a skychart to show how anything pointing "away" from the horizon doesn't really make sense.

Next time you're outside, and see this illusion, pull out a string and try it for yourself.  It always lines up.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope

« on: February 24, 2018, 07:02:32 AM »

You are not taking into account that maps are only workable on an earth that is shaped roughly flat

Its hard to take anything into account that would make a 1500% difference between Greenland and Africa.
From there model to real life size.

You're running into the same problem that's plagued cartographers for centuries — how to make a 2D representation of the surface of a 3D object. Google and N2YO use what's called a Mercator projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection) which has the benefit of conserving ship bearings (moving in a straight line in reality will cause you to move in a straight line on the map) but it has the flaw of drastically distorting the area of land the further away from the equator it gets.

If the N2YO website used a 3D globe instead of a map, it would be harder to read but Greenland would the right size and the satellite's foot print would stay a constant size.