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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: August 19, 2023, 11:03:48 PM »
I have a hard time viewing this movie as actually giving Barry an arc or a lesson when the connection between what he does and the consequences that follow is so far-fetched. No, Barry, you can't save your mother because then Superman will die on the other end of the galaxy and then CGI Christopher Reeves's universe will crash into Nicolas Cage's universe! I think it might have been able to resonate more as a moral lesson if Barry's decision was based more on knowing that what he has in this timeline is worth fighting for - the man he's become, his role as the Flash, his membership in the Justice League - and that it isn't worth it to throw it all away for a gamble that things will be better if he dramatically changes the last twenty years of his life. And if they really insisted on putting Barry in a radically different timeline that's in great danger, then I don't think they needed to write it off as inevitably doomed. I think that's what really irritates me about the ending. It's such nasty, bleak fatalism that clashes harshly with the overall tone of the movie. And I think they could have avoided it simply by establishing that changing the past leads to creating entirely new alternate timelines rather than changing the existing one. Barry teams up with alt-Barry, Burtman, and Supergirl to save this world from Zod, but in the end, realizes that this life belongs to alt-Barry, not him, and that he still has responsibilities in his own timeline. He'd still learn about the importance of focusing on the present, and he could still have his poignant farewell with his mother. It's not quite accurate to how the comics have portrayed time travel, but that hardly matters.

In other news, the sequel to Aquaman is, well, this article is ambivalent overall, but I'm going to say the movie seems to be in rough shape. I'd love to be wrong. The part about not knowing whether or not to include Batman (and which Batman in particular) is especially interesting to me. Also, Blue Beetle has gotten good reviews, which is of course great news, but I'll be absolutely astonished if the movie doesn't flop at the box office like the last several DCEU films have. If these two movies fail commercially, then I think it'll be very strong evidence that audiences are simply fed up with the overall poor quality of this franchise and that a hard reboot is the best strategy for the new slate of DC films.

Oh, and who wants to laugh at Zack Snyder and his awful ideas again?

https://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-kryptonian-origin-zach-snyder-dceu/

Snyder had a lot of very stupid ideas for interpreting material from the comics for the DCEU, some of which he had the chance to put into action, others that stayed on the drawing board. I believe that this one takes the gold medal for being the worst and easily the dumbest of them all. And judging from the tone of what he said, it doesn't even seem like he discarded this idea because he realized it was a bad one, but simply that he never got around to working it in. He wanted to take a huge aspect of the cinematic universe he was more or less in charge of and strip it of what made it unique in favor of something dull and homogenous. What a goof.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 18, 2023, 02:01:26 AM »
The prosecutors involved have been quite clear as to what crimes Trump has been accused of. You may not personally feel that those acts should be crimes, but they are. And prosecuting Trump is the right thing for a just society to do regardless of how popular (or unpopular) it makes him. Partisan political calculations should not affect the application of justice.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: August 17, 2023, 02:13:58 AM »
Just so you guys know, the latest scandal rocking Biden's world is that his press secretary accidentally tweeted something from her own account that looks like it was supposed to have been sent from Biden's account instead, which proves that Biden...has a comms team, like literally any other politician in the world. I guess that's a bad thing when you're used to Trump's spontaneous shitposting.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: August 11, 2023, 04:57:25 AM »
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is the best MCU film by quite some margin.

I watched Multiverse of Madness, it was okay. They gave Wanda a lot of good backstory and character in Wandavision then just threw all of that away and made her a generic "I am insane because of le dark powers" villain.

The whole movie is about the scarlet witch wanting children. Seems like a pretty easy problem to solve, really, I could help her solve it and I don't even have any superpowers.

The duality of man. Also, Wanda didn't simply want children in general, she specifically wanted the ones she had in WandaVision, hence her need to search the multiverse.

Just seen The Flash. It was a bit wonky in a lot of places but I have to say overall it was pretty good. I don't understand the hate it's getting, certainly the most entertaining DC movie I've seen in a while.

And I don't understand the positive reviews it's getting. Maybe if you don't mind the godawful CGI, or the climactic moment of the movie literally being a random montage of former DC actors rather than something that's actually relevant to the film itself, or the bleak, cynical ending that renders the entire movie a shaggy dog story, the movie ends up seeming pretty good? To me, these are all major flaws in the movie, although I'll admit that my aversion to bulletproof all-CGI Batman is more personal than anything else. But, you know, I guess everyone's taste is different. I still think that WW84 is a decent, if flawed, movie, and yet the general consensus on the Internet seems to be that it's one of the worst movies ever made simply because of nitpicks about "plot holes" and an odd body-switch plot point that could arguably be viewed as rape if viewed from a certain (very uncharitable) perspective. Perhaps The Flash is me simply experiencing this phenomenon from the opposite side.

Anyway, onto the Batshit Odyssey:

I more or less agree with Crudblud's take on The Dark Knight Rises. I remember praising it back on the old site when it first came out, with the caveat that it was the weakest of the trilogy, but looking back on it now, it's just not a good movie. There's just too much going on, and most of it is simply dull and/or not worth including in the movie. There are too many side characters, too many subplots, and it's all way, way, way too long. I honestly blame this movie for setting this precedent and undoubtedly inspiring Zack Snyder and Matt Reeves to make their respective Batman movies similarly bloated. No capeshit movie ever needs to be more than two and a half hours long. No exceptions. I am dogmatic about this point.

Let's start with the biggest pointless character, Joseph Gordon-Levitt's random cop. Near the beginning of the movie, he inspires Bruce to take action after deducing that he's Batman with insane troll logic. For the rest of the movie, he fails miserably at everything he tries, doesn't affect the overall story at all, and doesn't have any meaningful interactions with any important character other than Gordon. Despite this, he eats up a huge amount of focus and screen time, and the sole justification for this, the entire reason he's in the movie, is to be dramatically revealed as "Robin" and Bruce's successor at the end. That's it. That's why the movie spends all that time on him. Never mind that Bruce barely knows this guy and that he's spent the entire movie getting his ass kicked and accomplishing precisely nothing - this is Gotham's new protector! That being said, though, even if this character had clearly demonstrated his competence, devoting this much screen time to a character whose sole purpose is to be a (dumb) Easter egg is poor filmmaking.

Ben Mendelssohn and Burn Gorman play a couple of corporate stooges who think they've hired Bane to help them take down their business rival Bruce Wayne, not realizing that Bane has his own considerably more destructive agenda in mind. I like that Nolan adapted a character that first appeared in TAS (although I don't know why he felt the need to change Daggett's first name from Roland to John), but these two characters and their whole subplot go nowhere and are a complete waste of screen time. They just add to the runtime and make an already confusing plot even more complex. And while this is a very minor point, it really bugs me that when Selina delivers Gorman Bruce's fingerprints the characters make a big deal about the fact that she's initially missing the thumbs, and Gorman's insistence that the thumbs be included – along with Selina knowing that he would insist that the thumbs be included – is critical to her escape. You don't need all ten fingerprints to identify someone. You only need one. In fact, you don't even need the whole one.

Tom Hardy's Bane is without a doubt the most memorable part of this movie, and to a degree the most entertaining as well. The problem is that almost none of it works in an unironic sense. As a proper antagonist in a serious movie, he's an absolute disaster. He has almost nothing in common with the character from the source material (including but not limited to his being whitewashed, like Ra's before him), his lack of stature and/or decent action scenes fatally undermine the idea that he's supposed to be a physical threat to Batman, and he looks and sounds absolutely ridiculous. The absurd faux-Scottish accent really is the kiss of death. I don't understand how that made it past the first take, I really don't. Did Nolan actually think it was a good idea? Did Hardy threaten to quit if he wasn't allowed to use the voice? If it was the latter, then they ought to have let him go. Hardy was woefully miscast in the role, and he was nowhere near as well-known (at least to American audiences) back then as he is now, so it's not like he had a lot of star power to swing around.

The entire villainous scheme - the overall plot of the movie - is also stupid. It rehashes Batman Begins rather than present Batman and Gotham with a new kind of ideological struggle, it's overly complicated seemingly for the sake of it, and too much of it is implausibly all designed for the benefit of Bruce. I talked before about the influence of TDK on creating a number of villains that (among other things) are more concerned with proving some kind of weird kind of philosophical point or "breaking the spirit" of the hero than accomplishing their actual goals. Rises is an especially infuriating example of this. Talia and Bane's loyalty to Ra's makes very little sense on the face of it, but even setting that aside, there's no good reason why they don't simply destroy Gotham and move on. Instead, they imprison Bruce in a faraway prison, give him a TV, and let him watch as they pretend to spare Gotham and simply rule over it in a lawless state for several months until they finally destroy it. I can't stress enough how absurd it is that this whole scheme is being done entirely to fuck with Bruce. Talia and Bane are willing to trap themselves in Gotham, sacrifice their lives and the lives of everyone in their organization, abandon their goal of purifying the world, and spend several months ruling a lawless city all just to draw out the suffering of one man they hate. There is nothing in this entire trilogy that strains my suspension of disbelief as badly as this.

And then there's the political angle. Yes, of course we're going there. To be clear, I think that a lot of the general political/social criticism aimed at Batman as a character is misguided, especially the tiresome idea that Bruce Wayne could save Gotham through investing and donating his wealth, but instead chooses to be Batman because he'd rather beat people up than create real change. I'd recommend reading this excellent article for the best response to that line of reasoning. I also want to stress that I'm not criticizing this film simply for being political, as all art is political to varying degrees of explicitness. I am, however, going to criticize this film for having really shitty, reactionary politics. This movie seems to rather aggressively argue that the natural order of things is for the wealthy to occupy the highest place in society and for the people below them to know their place. When the wealthy lose their way, as shown by Wayne Industries stagnating, society goes downhill, poor people get dangerous ideas about equality, and the stage is set for a destructive revolution that can only end in nothing less than literally everyone being killed and the city being destroyed. The only thing that can stop chaos unfolding is the physical presence of police, and once they're all trapped, the villains are free to turn Gotham into a lawless wasteland. You see, this is all a lot like the French Revolution, you know?

One element that I do think works out, more or less, is Bruce and Alfred's relationship. There's always a fine line when it comes to the character of Alfred - he's as much Bruce's adoptive father as he is his butler, and what father would want their son to lead a lonely and dangerous life as Batman? But we, the audience, of course want to see Batman in action, so an Alfred who tries to stop Bruce from being Batman would no doubt be extremely unpopular. Most Batman stories just ignore this odd little contradiction in his character. But this trilogy gives us an Alfred who clearly disapproves of Bruce's Batman tomfoolery, brings their relationship to its logical conclusion, and makes it work. Bale and Caine give strong performances, both characters are sympathetic, and the poignancy of Alfred being unable to do anything for Bruce but mourn for him hits hard. That is, until the movie pisses all over the sentiment with its fucking joke of an ending, but discounting that, it's handled very well. I said before that Caine plays the best Alfred of any adaptation, despite the numerous changes from the source material, and I stand by it.

And, you know, it's a minor point all things considered - but how in God's name did Bruce return to Gotham? They went to such lengths to establish how locked-down Gotham is. Nobody gets in or out. And then Bruce, who by this point has been stripped of all his usual resources, apparently just teleports there between scenes. It's so sloppy.

On to Man of Steel. This movie is bad. I almost don't know where to start with this one. I feel like Snyder and Goyer really wanted to make this big, grand, ambitious movie that would be a milestone in capeshit and make people think that the genre could lend itself to deep and intelligent storytelling, but at its core, there is nothing deep or intelligent about this movie. It's a basic Superman origin story where he comes to Earth, discovers his heritage, and saves the day against alien invaders through a big punch-up. There's nothing to work with here, and rather than make a different kind of movie altogether, Snyder and Goyer apparently just decided to fill the intellectual empty spaces with constant Christ imagery and solemn monologues from the characters about how important the stakes are for humankind and how unprecedented the situation they've found themselves in is. This pervading element of faux-intellectualism is a disaster for both the characters and story, and ensures that nobody in this movie talks or acts like an actual person.

Let's look at one major casualty of this tendency - the character of Jonathan Kent. A lot of people hated this version of him for his ambivalence on whether or not Clark should save lives and his pointless death. I'm actually willing to cut the movie a little bit of slack there (although I don't necessarily think it was a great decision to go down that road to begin with), because there is a certain true-to-life resonance with his priorities. What loving parent wouldn't value the life of their own child over the lives of thirty unrelated children? What loving parent wouldn't lay down their own life for their child if the situation were drastic enough? But Jonathan doesn't come across as a loving parent to begin with. His interest in Clark doesn't feel fatherly or even personal at all - instead, it's the impersonal stewardship of a very important person who is destined to one day become a very important figure to mankind. I think that's the real reason why his character was so despised, even if a lot of people didn't quite grasp what it was that they hated about him.

It's not just Jonathan who's like this, of course. Why is Lois Lane eagerly chasing the Superman story down? Maybe she wants the fame and glory, maybe her ego won't let it slip away - nope, it's because she knows that Superman is a very important person who is destined to one day become a very important figure to mankind, and therefore she has a very important job to find him and urge him to fulfill his destiny. Perry White at first seems promising, and it's a sensible updating of his character to turn him into a grumpy cynic who's all too aware of the declining relevance of newspapers in the modern world, but before long, he too ends up preaching the Word of the Superman, this very important person who is destined to one day become a very important figure to mankind. This is just shitty character work. Characters need to be rounded. They need to have some sort of personality, some sort of grounding in the world that's been created, and something that makes them recognizable to the audience as people. But in this movie, the characters one by one turn into modern-day prophets whose main purpose is to preach both to each other and the audience about the sheer importance of everything that's currently happening.

A lot of people really like the opening act in Krypton, but I don't. It goes on for way too long and is overall just pointless. The whole civil war thing is pointless. Making a big deal out of Kal-El being born naturally is pointless. Sending Zod and his minions to the Phantom Zone moments before the planet is destroyed makes Jor-El and the Kryptonians look like they were deliberately trying to save their lives. Speaking of which, I also don't like Zod, and I'm really just bemused by the people who talk about what a deep and compelling villain he is. I really don't see what they're seeing there. Michael Shannon gives a very silly, very hammy performance as a capeshit villain who's every bit as one-dimensional and cartoonishly evil as you'd expect it to be. There's no nuance to him, and he's too tightly-wound and humorless to even be fun or entertaining to watch in a lighter sense. I will credit the movie for giving him more screen time than most capeshit movies (especially in the MCU) usually give their villains, but I don't find him an interesting antagonist at all. Shannon is a decent actor who's perfectly capable of giving good performances, but I'd never guess it from watching him in this movie.

If I had to pin down the source of this movie's failures as succinctly as I could, I'd point to two elements. One is the fact that a major priority for everyone during production was to avoid being like 2006's Superman Returns, the commercial underperformance of which had been blamed on an overemphasis of nostalgia and a comparative lack of action. Superman Returns has plenty of flaws, but this kind of reactionary, what-not-to-do mode of thinking has never been an ideal filmmaking method, and undoubtedly led to MoS putting such a focus on lengthy, destructive battles, an emphasis on grim and gritty "realism," and probably even Snyder being chosen as director due to his action chops. The other element is the focus on Superman primarily in abstract terms, as a powerful idea and a momentous occasion for humankind rather than a three-dimensional character with a personality and a worldview of his own. Yes, the real-world implications of a figure like Superman appearing are intriguing, but they can't be the main focus of the character. We have to care about a character as a person before we can get invested in them, and Snyder and Goyer were too busy playing up the awe and momentum of Superman to make him a strong and likable character in his own right.

I agree with pretty much everything else Crudblud has said. I don't blame WB for taking a chance on Snyder and letting him direct MoS, but it was dumb of them to stick with him in the wake of its deeply-polarized reaction, and even more so to double down by offering him even more creative control and access to their most valuable character for the sequel. I firmly believe that WB entrusting this franchise to Snyder will go down in Hollywood history as one of the most costly blunders a film studio has ever made. But that's a discussion for next time.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 03, 2023, 04:16:15 AM »
If I can't write my own New York Times opinion piece on the reality of Dinosaur Earth, then those articles are sanctioned by the paper.

Newspapers can and do publish opinion pieces that argue completely different perspectives all the time. That's how it works. You can argue with me about it all you want, you can spin analogies to your heart's content, but at the end of the day, newspapers will continue to publish opinion pieces that argue completely different perspectives with or without your approval.

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The bio of the person who wrote it says that he has been an Op-Ed columnist since 2003 ffs. Ed stands for Editor. An editor is someone who writes or edits on behalf of the paper.

Op-ed stands for "opposite the editorial page." You already know this, and you already know that of course not every opinion piece that a newspaper publishes is meant to represent the newspaper's official opinion.

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Yes, he has a lot of raging liberal biases and explores the realization that he may be the bad guy in the situation. It's in the title of the article. The article isn't about him changing his tune and defecting to the other side. At the end of the article he is still a a member of the pinko liberal club who hates Trump and loves Cuties and Drag Queen Story Hour.

He basically admits that the whole liberal movement is off its rocker and led by a few deranged 'elites' -

As you undoubtedly already know (because otherwise I'm sure you wouldn't be putting so much focus on how liberal the author supposedly is), David Brooks is a conservative and not a disaffected liberal. I wouldn't go so far as to call this article concern-trolling or otherwise insincere, but his criticisms of progressive culture can be better understood as accusations rather than admissions.

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And that's the crux of the article: Liberals are deranged. This answers the premise question in the first few sentences of the article of why Trump remains strong. It explains why Trump is stronger than ever even though in the liberal mind he tried to overthrow the government, is a terrible dictator person, and should be on the level of a Mob Boss, or perhaps even something approaching a Mussolini incarnate.

No, that's not the crux of the article; it's just one paragraph. The bulk of the article discusses, like I said, the creation of of an "elite" professional culture that left enough people feeling isolated and left behind to rally behind someone like Trump, who positioned himself as standing in opposition to that culture. If you want to argue that, no, the real issues facing our country are drag queens or whatever, feel free, but don't pretend that either Brooks or the NYT are arguing that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 03, 2023, 02:38:26 AM »
We've been over the difference between an editorial and an op-ed before, and in any case, the article's title is referring to what the author argues is the creation of an "elite" professional culture that left enough people feeling isolated and left behind to rally behind someone like Trump, who positioned himself as standing in opposition to that culture. He's explicit about not supporting Trump and wanting to see him go to jail.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: August 02, 2023, 01:00:25 PM »
There had been an investigation into Burisma, but it was dormant. Therefore, Shokim was not investigating Burisma.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: August 02, 2023, 02:38:06 AM »
And as I stated then, the entire US administration and the entire EU wanted him gone because he was investigating Burisma, which was funding the entire Democratic socialist enterprise. You didn't bring up any revisionist history bullcrap then, because it wasn't written then as it is in your latest line of malarkey you are trotting out.

Just to be clear, you believe that almost the entire media have colluded to carefully construct an elaborate retroactive narrative by planting numerous fabricated and falsely-dated articles, nobody noticed this blatant rewriting of history but you, and your sole evidence for believing this is the fact that a guy on the Internet didn't cite these articles during a discussion on a related (not even the same, just related) subject a few years ago?

Also, while I don't plan on doing this with every article I linked, I checked for the Bloomberg article on the Internet Archive. It's been copied over seven hundred times between now and its supposed publication date, with the earliest being this one from that same day, May 7th, 2019. How does this square with your theory of the article being posted recently and falsely dated? Is the Archive in on this conspiracy?

Wow. Democrats have been backed into a corner have resorted to this new narrative they that bribery did occur, but Joe Biden wasn't part of it:

Yes, Hunter Biden is sleazy and corrupt. We already knew this. Nobody has ever tried to deny it. You keep making the same basic observation over and over again and acting each time like it's brand new information. It's not.

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We are expected to believe that foreign entities continually paid millions of dollars for something they did not get:

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Sure. What foreign entities would continue to spend millions with no return on their investment?

Wealthy corporations and individuals (not sure what difference it makes if they're foreign) make poor investments and waste lots of money all the time. And if we're going to go down this route of "common sense" arguments that don't rely on actual evidence, then I have two of my own to make. Why would Biden partner with someone as flaky as his son for his criminal schemes? Hunter has been a drug addict for years, and he's well known for his wild partying and cavorting with prostitutes. Surely Joe would have enough connections through his decades in politics to find himself a far more reliable and discreet partner. Also, do you think that Hunter himself would be keeping quiet about it if Joe were connected with his crimes? This is the guy who made a move on his brother's widow and, as previously discussed, isn't enough of a man to be a part of his young daughter's life or even properly acknowledge her existence. He's a selfish, weak man with no real loyalty to his family. If he had been working with his father, he would have flipped on him a long time ago.

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Honk and Roundy want us to believe that the prosecutor really was corrupt and it is only a coincidence that the Bidens were receiving millions of dollars from the company that was being prosecuted, and that it was only a coincidence that they pressured Hunter Biden to take care of it. It is one coincidence after the next.

And now, with this new narrative, we are expected to believe that corruption occurred, but everyone involved was corrupt except for Joe Biden, who was somehow fooled by his son in his son's corrupt bribery business dealings. Hunter Biden is the bad and evil one who is tricking his father into policy decisions. What an odd and increasingly desperate argument this is turning into.

No, it's not a coincidence. Burisma certainly hired Hunter in the hopes that he could curry favor with his father. But firing Shokin was not a result of this, because he was widely viewed as corrupt by the international community and the investigation into Burisma was dormant. Biden did not protect Burisma by demanding that Shokin be fired. That's simply not what happened, and it's pig-headed denialism to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it was otherwise.

That being said, though, I do appreciate you linking me the webpage from Congress that has actual documents on it rather than just a Twitter link to Ted Cruz bloviating on camera. I'll look into their claims and see what case they've made.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 28, 2023, 04:25:40 PM »
Because if these sources actually stated then what you are claiming they state now, it would have been trotted out then.

I really don't think you can be basing deductions about the non-existence of prominent sources purely on the whims of an online discussion. There are a million reasons why I or anyone else might address one but not another particular facet of a complex subject in any given post. Looking at the post of mine you quoted, it's pretty clear that I was talking about the validity of Trump's impeachment rather than whether or not the underlying claim that Biden was corrupt was true, and in particular that there didn't need to be an explicit quid pro quo for what Trump did to be an abuse of power. (I love how you responded with "So where's the explicit quid pro quo?" Great reading comprehension.) For what it's worth - in my view, nothing - Rama Set brought up the point that everyone wanted Shokin fired on the previous page of that thread, and I've discussed Shokin multiple times over the past few years. I don't know what makes this forum's records more trustworthy than that of the numerous websites I cited, and I find it very, very unlikely that all these websites could have planted those articles with false dates and pretended that it was information we've known for years with nobody noticing.

The explanation here is that either the House Oversight Committee is framing Biden, or that this is a legitimate investigation.

No, this is just a couple of prominent Republicans publicly lying about Biden and slandering him as a crook to rile up the base.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 28, 2023, 01:54:50 AM »
Show me the evidence. Not Ted Cruz and another partisan stooge talking about all the evidence, but the actual evidence itself, or at least a summary of it from a trustworthy source, and then maybe I'll agree there's something there. That Republicans like Cruz are making wild promises about how super-duper corrupt the Bidens are means nothing. Also, a couple of highlights from that lengthy spiel:

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@MarcoPolo501c3 published a comprehensive "Report on the Biden Laptop," documenting 459 alleged crimes involving the Biden family and their associates, including 140 business crimes, 191 sex crimes, and 128 drug crimes.

Very believable numbers there. At this point you might as well just say "omg the Bidens have stolen a gorillion bazillion dollars!"

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A $1,000 reward is offered for any verifiable corrections, but thus far, no crimes have been disputed.

As I've said before in other threads, these "Prove x and I'll pay you money!" gimmicks are meaningless regardless of the subject under discussion. The people who put these challenges up usually provide themselves with an escape hatch to avoid having to pay if they don't want to, and even if they don't, the number of legal hoops you'd have to jump through to force them to pay is unfeasible for most people. They're publicity stunts, nothing more.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 22, 2023, 11:41:38 PM »
The historical record is actually here in these threads

No, it isn't. ??? What a strange thing to say.

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and it's funny you were not claiming any of this crap then that you are trotting out now

How is at all relevant what I did or didn't say in a post four years ago?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 21, 2023, 08:38:08 PM »
I had a feeling I'd be met with denials. Very well, then, here are the actual sources backing up what I'm saying:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

https://www.apnews.com/united-states-presidential-election-9d4595ba4f3140c6bb6a3473a91f4a4c

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-07/timeline-in-ukraine-probe-casts-doubt-on-giuliani-s-biden-claim

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

The historical record is clear. Shokin was seen as corrupt by both parties in America as well as the international community at large, and more or less everyone supported firing him. If conservatives really thought that this was a corrupt action on Biden's part, they would have brought it up immediately to use it against him and Obama, not waited several years later until he was running for president.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 21, 2023, 03:15:42 AM »
There's certainly no doubt that Hunter was hired by Burisma in an effort to help protect themselves, either by simply currying favor with Joe or by having access to directly influence him. The leadership of Burisma were clearly corrupt, and Shokin's refusal to properly investigate them was a big part of why the international community as a whole wanted him fired. (This is an important detail that conservatives keep trying to rewrite history on. Shokin wasn't fired for investigating Burisma; he was fired for protecting them. Biden wasn't protecting Burisma by demanding that Shokin be fired; it was in fact the reverse.) That criminals were talking like criminals amongst themselves isn't exactly a surprise. Also, Mykola Zlochevsky has something of a history of offering bribes, as seen by the fact that he's currently wanted by Ukraine's government for trying to bribe the prosecutors looking into Burisma, so the fact that he was supposedly considering offering bribes to Biden was almost certainly more of a Zlochevsky thing than a Biden thing, so to speak.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 17, 2023, 05:15:53 PM »
Then all we're left with is the assumption that Biden must have been responsible for what happened for no better reason than it being in his interests to do so, and not because he had any authority to order it. I say that Trump also had an interest in collecting the incriminating paperwork. Combine that with the fact that, unlike Biden, he had a history of weaponizing his office for his own personal political gain (particularly against Biden), and that, also unlike Biden, he actually had the authority to order the Secret Service around at the time, and on the face of it, Trump is a much stronger suspect than Biden.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 17, 2023, 03:07:04 AM »
I won't bother repeating myself on the subject of Biden's grandchild. None of Tom's sanctimonious hand-wringing changes the bottom line.

joe and hunter are simply different people and hunter has no place in joe's administration as he was not elected or appointed.

which is why the secret service went to the gun dealer and tried to get the paperwork from his firearm purchase. it is very obvious that someone with no ties to the administration would get favors from the secret service. i can confirm this as i have no ties to the administration but the secret service tries to help me out of jams all the time.

not sure why you people care about hunter so much smh.

You're referring to an incident that took place in 2018. The Biden Administration had yet to exist, and neither Joe nor Hunter were receiving Secret Service protection at the time. Why assume that this implicates them? Trump was the president at the time, after all, and he demonstrated during his presidency that he was both corrupt and willing to abuse the powers of his office to target his political rivals, and Biden in particular. Here's a conspiracy theory - maybe Trump sent the Secret Service for the paperwork, not to protect Hunter if a crime were committed with the gun, but to use it against him. There's no evidence of that being the case, of course, but it's an entirely valid alternative to the (also evidence-free) assumption that Biden was trying to cover the whole thing up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 16, 2023, 03:11:38 PM »
It is sad and disgraceful - of Hunter. He's being a shitty father and a shitty person. Unfortunately, that's his decision to make. The Bidens' connection to the child comes through Hunter, and if he's choosing not to acknowledge her or have her in his life, then the same must apply to his own parents. They can't cut him out of the equation and include her in the family without his involvement. It's just not the done thing.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 15, 2023, 10:42:59 PM »
Like I said, it's ridiculous to expect Joe to go over Hunter's head and publicly declare that the child is part of the family whether Hunter likes it or not. It's just not how families work, and I'm certain that if Joe had disregarded his son and publicly acknowledged the child as part of the family, the same conservatives criticizing him now would be angrily yelling about how Joe has no right to be involving himself in a dispute between two parents and clearly has no love or loyalty towards his own son. I also like how the NYP and the Washington Times tried to put the emphasis on the child being illegitimate, as if that's what this is all about, rather than Hunter's disputes over parentage with the mother. As if shaming unmarried parents and their children hasn't always been a conservative thing. Every accusation is a confession.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: July 13, 2023, 09:01:17 PM »
Hunter is a deadbeat dad to a kid that he denied being the father of and has reportedly never even met. Conservatives have decided to blame Joe for this. It sounds insane, but that really is it. As if Joe can reasonably be expected to just publicly declare that the child is Hunter's whether Hunter likes it or not.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: July 12, 2023, 12:43:38 AM »
That's embarrassing. I had meant to delete the first post.

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