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Title: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on January 23, 2018, 05:10:48 PM
Ive been working on a decentralized peer to peer blockchain with its own currency for the Flat Earth community. This could later include features like encrypted file sharing, encrypted messages, even a voting mechanism helping to provide an additional form of democracy amongst the community as a whole. [FEND] would be a distributed ledger created by users joining their computer's cpu power together to form a network capable of handling its own currency transactions and payment processing- outside of and without the help of tyrannical governments and banks.  [FEND] Flat Earth Network Dollars are distributed as block rewards for exchange of one's cpu power that creates the [FEND] blockchain, block by block. These blocks can later be used as a record storage for important Flat Earth data, helping to preserve the truth for many generations to come. Interested in what you all think..
-AV
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Rushy on January 23, 2018, 05:31:46 PM
1. We don't need a currency, we're the Flat Earth Society, not the Flat Earth Central Bank.

2. This website already supports encrypted file sharing, encrypted messaging, and voting features. Why should we use a blockchain to do what this website already does more efficiently?

3. Blockchains are just databases. Very inefficient, decentralized databases. This website is a very efficient centralized database (which has many dozens of backups!). Replacing it with a blockchain would be meaningless.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Parsifal on January 23, 2018, 05:36:22 PM
2. This website already supports encrypted file sharing, encrypted messaging

For some definition of "encrypted"...
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on January 23, 2018, 05:53:18 PM
Rushy,
Thank you for your comment. You have provided a great amount of information about bitcoin on this forum. Great work.

I do not propose a central bank. The Flat Earth community deserves its own currency as much as every society or group or community.. as most all will implement some kind of future community currency. [FEND] is proposed as a decentralized currency distributed FAIRLY to its community through the mining process. (Not a token created and sold to the community) And while bitcoin's network has been a success in security- it has failed in decentralization of its currency. [FEND] would be accessible to mine by the average PC user and resistant to ASIC.


Blockchains are databases, true. But decentralized databases. Centralized databases are single point of failure. I do not propose a replacement to anything. Merely a supplemental tool to assist in the preservation of truth for all. Shouldn't we all, especially as Flat Earthers, have a duty to support such tools?   
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Lord Dave on January 23, 2018, 06:31:21 PM
Why?
We produce nothing worth selling and such a currency would really only be usable inside the society.

You might as well try to sell arcade tokens from Chuck E' Cheeses.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on January 23, 2018, 06:44:58 PM
Why?
We produce nothing worth selling and such a currency would really only be usable inside the society.

You might as well try to sell arcade tokens from Chuck E' Cheeses.
thank you for your comment.


The currency would be usable inside the community, as well as outside, by converting to bitcoin or other digital currency, and even fiat if desired.

Any content contributed in the community that is forwarding of the Flat Earth movement should be considered as having value.  See Steemit platform for an example.

Also, once again- my proposition does not involve selling anything to anyone. Users are rewarded thru block rewards as they contribute hash power to the network. 
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Lord Dave on January 23, 2018, 06:49:44 PM
Why?
We produce nothing worth selling and such a currency would really only be usable inside the society.

You might as well try to sell arcade tokens from Chuck E' Cheeses.
thank you for your comment.


The currency would be usable inside the community, as well as outside, by converting to bitcoin or other digital currency, and even fiat if desired.

Any content contributed in the community that is forwarding of the Flat Earth movement should be considered as having value.  See Steemit platform for an example.

Also, once again- my proposition does not involve selling anything to anyone. Users are rewarded thru block rewards as they contribute hash power to the network.

Now, I may not know how digital currency works but I strongly suspect that converting it would require the currency in question to have some value or can be backed by some value.  Ex: The Norwegian kroner is used in Norway to purchase goods and services.  Outside of Norway, it's useless but can be converted to Euros or Dollars because the Norwegian government guarantees the value and that someone will want Norwegian Kroner.

The question then is: who would want FEND?  How would we ensure it's value?  What value would it have to others?
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: junker on January 23, 2018, 06:59:48 PM
I love my scamcoins, but even I wouldn't touch this particular scamcoin.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on January 23, 2018, 07:03:53 PM

Now, I may not know how digital currency works but I strongly suspect that converting it would require the currency in question to have some value or can be backed by some value.  Ex: The Norwegian kroner is used in Norway to purchase goods and services.  Outside of Norway, it's useless but can be converted to Euros or Dollars because the Norwegian government guarantees the value and that someone will want Norwegian Kroner.

The question then is: who would want FEND?  How would we ensure it's value?  What value would it have to others?
Value is merely perception, (as with most things) but it will mostly be created by the total currency supply and will be backed by the energy it takes to produce a FEND currency unit, as well as the security & strength of the network of users.
Also the currency's usability, and of course exchange market traders will have a speculative effect on price/value just as any other market currency or commodity. 
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on January 23, 2018, 07:14:19 PM
I love my scamcoins, but even I wouldn't touch this particular scamcoin.
thanks for your comment.


The state of cryptocurrencies are indeed littered with scams. Most all of these scams have the origins of an ERC-20 "token" which is created in total supply instantly (premined) and later sold to distribute the "shares"

What I propose is a mineable currency that is distributed equally and fairly based on user participation in powering a network for the community. These block rewards will be available to anyone mining over an emission course of the next 30 years.

This is to include- not exclude.
To prosper not one, or few- but rather the Flat Earth community as a whole
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on January 23, 2018, 11:33:00 PM
anyone interested in mining a little bit?
Start a currency/network to last for generations..?
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: JohnAdams1145 on January 26, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
You won't get encrypted file sharing because blockchain state is public, and there's no feasible way to establish a decentralized PKI without substantial human intervention. The same goes for encrypted message sending: without face-to-face interaction you're placing the same trust in some out-of-band communication to bind keys to identity to stop MITM impersonators.

As for file storage, one may consider something like IPFS or Dat that is far more robust and economical. Public data like forum posts may be stored more cheaply this way, but storage is already very cheap.

You also need to be aware of a 99% attack. Round Earthers have thousands of times more computing power.

An ERC-20 token at least wouldn't have that problem.

Any sort of Proof-Of-Work currency is going to be very hard to mine on a CPU because it inherently involves a lot of parallelizable things that could get run on a high end GPU, which has a reasonable ISA. So even if you make it memory hard, the RE people can execute it much faster than you.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on February 01, 2018, 06:11:38 AM
You won't get encrypted file sharing because blockchain state is public, and there's no feasible way to establish a decentralized PKI without substantial human intervention. The same goes for encrypted message sending: without face-to-face interaction you're placing the same trust in some out-of-band communication to bind keys to identity to stop MITM impersonators.

As for file storage, one may consider something like IPFS or Dat that is far more robust and economical. Public data like forum posts may be stored more cheaply this way, but storage is already very cheap.

You also need to be aware of a 99% attack. Round Earthers have thousands of times more computing power.

An ERC-20 token at least wouldn't have that problem.

Any sort of Proof-Of-Work currency is going to be very hard to mine on a CPU because it inherently involves a lot of parallelizable things that could get run on a high end GPU, which has a reasonable ISA. So even if you make it memory hard, the RE people can execute it much faster than you.


Dig it man. Thanks for your insight. Very valuable and valid points.
An ERC-20 token is nothing but a ticket to sell. Most truly created from nothing, but sold for something..? Unless it offers a dividend..
it is a scam.

The F.E.N.D. acronym has more meaning and relevance to the project than just being a perfect acronym. ;) By using the proof of work algorithm, it will assist in fair distribution of Flat Earth Network Dollars for many years to come- (60+years, not just early adopters) this will allow Flat Earth community members a way to 'fend' for ourselves- creating value by helping secure a decentralized and private blockchain network, while being rewarded for it. Later using the Flat Earth Network Dollar as a form of transferring value across and outside the network in exchange for goods, services, etc.

51% attack on the network should be a massive undertaking once the network reaches a decent level of users. Even a fair amount of users. Cryptonight hashing algorithm is asic resistant and gpu limiting. It is designed to become inefficient in parallel ops and makes use of random access speeds instead. Boulderhash is a cool algo that fully reaches to new levels of memory hard hashing.. uses 13gb of ram to avoid the zombie farm botnet mining scenario. While not everyone has 13GB of ram laying around or installed... it would still be a very small investment in hardware to become a miner for the network. Though we are still speaking in theory, not practice. We all know such a Flat Earth network would be attacked at some point. We must learn to not only expect it... but welcome it. An additional meaning of the word FEND is actively protecting, not defending.


Encrypted p2p messaging is already active in-wallet features in quite a few blockchain networks..Digitalnote, espers, etc

As for file sharing, I do not disagree. But to think what is possible and available today will be the same tomorrow - is incredibly short sighted. You seem to have a great mind for networking protocols. Im not proposing anything that has already been done. Theres an ERC20 token for that. Im here to assist in tearing the roof off this mother.
How much is a p2p blockchain's connections different from a p2p file sharing network's connections....? Not enough to be deterred. If nothing else a private connection to IPFS could suffice.

The internet has already changed, my friends. Only the reboot is yet to come.

-AV
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on February 01, 2018, 10:17:47 PM
or as MJ so elequently ruint.. "the ceiling is the roof, guys."
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Baby Thork on February 01, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Are you creating a blockchain because you like ponzi schemes or is your blockchain going to do anything useful?

Ethereum eats contracts
Bitcoin eats piggybanks
Civic eats identity fraud
Filecoin eats file storage
Ripple eats transactions

What does FEND eat and how valuable is that as a useful service?

Alternatively why don't we just create turtlecoin.

My whitepaper
Turtlecoin is designed to get you a lamborghini.
You buy the coins and hodl until you have enough to cash out and buy a lamborghini.
You buy for pennies and you sell for dollars.
The next wave buy for dollars and sell for hundreds of dollars.
The next for for hundreds and sell for thousands.
Everyone gets a lamborghini.
But what happens to the last people to buy, you ask? Don't they get screwed? No, its lambos all the way up and turtles all the way down.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on February 01, 2018, 11:43:31 PM
Are you creating a blockchain because you like ponzi schemes or is your blockchain going to do anything useful?

Ethereum eats contracts
Bitcoin eats piggybanks
Civic eats identity fraud
Filecoin eats file storage
Ripple eats transactions

What does FEND eat and how valuable is that as a useful service?

Alternatively why don't we just create turtlecoin.

My whitepaper
Turtlecoin is designed to get you a lamborghini.
You buy the coins and hodl until you have enough to cash out and buy a lamborghini.
You buy for pennies and you sell for dollars.
The next wave buy for dollars and sell for hundreds of dollars.
The next for for hundreds and sell for thousands.
Everyone gets a lamborghini.
But what happens to the last people to buy, you ask? Don't they get screwed? No, its turtles all the way down.

Hey,
I like that. Rare tact, sir.

"I like turtles."

Id probably even mine on the network to get some.  Might not 'buy' em BUT only because Im savvy enough to know how the mining technology works.... and that I can earn them if I can support the network with enough hashrate / processing power.

F.E.N.D eats the veil
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Rushy on February 02, 2018, 12:27:35 AM
Ripple isn't a blockchain or cryptocurrency, Thork. You might be thinking of XRP, which isn't anything like those others you listed because it's a centralized transaction scheme. There's two different ledgers that Ripple (the company) keeps track of. There's Ripple, the system used by banks, and XRP, the open source system centralized to their verification servers.

It's a common mistake, but it's important to point out that neither Ripple nor XRP are decentralized blockchain services.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Baby Thork on February 02, 2018, 01:11:01 AM
Ripple isn't a blockchain or cryptocurrency, Thork. You might be thinking of XRP, which isn't anything like those others you listed because it's a centralized transaction scheme. There's two different ledgers that Ripple (the company) keeps track of. There's Ripple, the system used by banks, and XRP, the open source system centralized to their verification servers.

It's a common mistake, but it's important to point out that neither Ripple nor XRP are decentralized blockchain services.
It wasn't a mistake. It is needless extra explanation that would not have served to highlight my point.

By the way, have they taken your house away yet or are you waiting for $5000 bitcoin?
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: junker on February 02, 2018, 01:46:01 AM
It wasn't a mistake.

It literally was a mistake. I'd suggest thanking Rushy for the correction and free info he gave you.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Rushy on February 02, 2018, 01:58:21 AM
It wasn't a mistake.

It not being a mistake doesn't make it correct information.

It is needless extra explanation that would not have served to highlight my point.

How does including something that isn't a blockchain highlight a point you're trying to make about blockchains?  ???

By the way, have they taken your house away yet or are you waiting for $5000 bitcoin?

Could you rephrase this into a point?

Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: junker on February 02, 2018, 02:05:01 AM
By the way, have they taken your house away yet or are you waiting for $5000 bitcoin?

Could you rephrase this into a point?

Rushy, Thork is a pro at losing a house. He is projecting on you because he hopes you will join his club of failure.

Let it go, Thork, it was a long time ago...
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on February 02, 2018, 02:12:28 AM
Ripple isn't a blockchain or cryptocurrency, Thork. You might be thinking of XRP, which isn't anything like those others you listed because it's a centralized transaction scheme. There's two different ledgers that Ripple (the company) keeps track of. There's Ripple, the system used by banks, and XRP, the open source system centralized to their verification servers.

It's a common mistake, but it's important to point out that neither Ripple nor XRP are decentralized blockchain services.

this is true... I think. Ripple Labs is separate from xrp im pretty sure.  Nice point tho-  It reminds me of something.

A virtual chain copy runs on a lot of blockchain systems i think.
Which Im not terribly interested in specifically, but it made me think about it differently.
That it can be mirrored. Linked to other processes.... networks....

Blockstak has done some pretty incredible things on an already working blockchain. . domain names.
 
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on February 02, 2018, 05:01:45 AM
Regardless- anything that is to be great, must become great. It has to start somewhere.
Most network currencies start with an announcement on bitcointalk's forum for altcoins, but as this network is for the Flat Earth community, I believe it should start within the Flat Earth community. This may cause discord within cryptocurrency circles and forums..though as Flat Earthers, we are not strangers to criticism. 
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on February 03, 2018, 03:11:53 AM
Removing the dollar
Replacing with dividend
 

Flat Earth Network Dividend
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: JohnAdams1145 on February 03, 2018, 03:45:47 AM
The primary problem with authenticated, encrypted communication is it requires the sharing of keys over an assumed-secure channel. This is where a PKI comes in. While you can certainly get encrypted communication between the holders of any given public keys, you cannot verify that the provided public keys belong to a person's real identity without a face-to-face interaction.

For example, let's say I want to send a secure message to Tom Bishop telling him that "rockets work in space." Now I'm simply going to fetch his public key off a blockchain/server/newspaper and send over an encrypted AES key (using RSA-OAEP, or we can negotiate the key with any Diffie-Hellman variant), where the message is signed by my private key. Then I'll encrypt all of my communication with him using something like AES-GCM. Tom can use the same symmetric key to send messages back to me. What's the problem with this scheme? Blockchain by its nature is somewhat anonymous. There is nothing tying someone's real name to a public key. So junker, for example, could simply put a public key on the chain in Tom's name. Then I would be sending my communication to junker, who would forward it along to Tom while eavesdropping and modifying everything.

Without a PKI, public key cryptography like that used in blockchain is useless for authenticated, encrypted communication.

Again, your argument that the PoW wouldn't be subject to a 51% attack once you get enough users is bunk. Regardless of the PoW algorithm used, there are probably at least 1000x more Round Earth people in the world as Flat Earth people. This necessarily means that they have many times the computational power as Flat Earth people, even if they aren't able to cheat with ASICs / FPGAs. You're going to find that it's very hard to make an algorithm GPU-resistant, as the algorithm needs to incorporate some math problem in NP, which means that there is always parallelized guess-and-check; many GPUs have a rather complete instruction set.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: junker on February 03, 2018, 03:48:28 AM
Sounds to me like Guest is quite the scammer.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on February 03, 2018, 05:31:14 AM
Sounds to me like Guest is quite the scammer.
your actions are actually resembling those of a spammer, quite close. . some consider such, a troll. 

I just think your funny. 

and interested in the project.  ;)
 

The primary problem with authenticated, encrypted communication is it requires the sharing of keys over an assumed-secure channel. This is where a PKI comes in. While you can certainly get encrypted communication between the holders of any given public keys, you cannot verify that the provided public keys belong to a person's real identity without a face-to-face interaction.

For example, let's say I want to send a secure message to Tom Bishop telling him that "rockets work in space." Now I'm simply going to fetch his public key off a blockchain/server/newspaper and send over an encrypted AES key (using RSA-OAEP, or we can negotiate the key with any Diffie-Hellman variant), where the message is signed by my private key. Then I'll encrypt all of my communication with him using something like AES-GCM. Tom can use the same symmetric key to send messages back to me. What's the problem with this scheme? Blockchain by its nature is somewhat anonymous. There is nothing tying someone's real name to a public key. So junker, for example, could simply put a public key on the chain in Tom's name. Then I would be sending my communication to junker, who would forward it along to Tom while eavesdropping and modifying everything.

Without a PKI, public key cryptography like that used in blockchain is useless for authenticated, encrypted communication.

Again, your argument that the PoW wouldn't be subject to a 51% attack once you get enough users is bunk. Regardless of the PoW algorithm used, there are probably at least 1000x more Round Earth people in the world as Flat Earth people. This necessarily means that they have many times the computational power as Flat Earth people, even if they aren't able to cheat with ASICs / FPGAs. You're going to find that it's very hard to make an algorithm GPU-resistant, as the algorithm needs to incorporate some math problem in NP, which means that there is always parallelized guess-and-check; many GPUs have a rather complete instruction set.


My man. You got the right headspace for this, no doubt. I was meaning to send you a link to the progress Blockstak has been making.  Its interestingly boring.. in a great way.  I do understand what you mean. Trust but Verify, has turned into Dont Trust, Verify. and on the current trajectory - as far as any over the wire transmission goes- Trust will (or perhaps already should've in the scope of guerilla comms) completely disappear, leaving only Verify.

Which, of course, leads me to believe you are persuading me to take this project somewhere that isn't being monitored by the government.

Or maybe you got me too far into the future already.


Either way- i dig it. 




Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on February 03, 2018, 06:18:28 AM
Ball earthers certainly outnumber FlatEarthers, in said scenario that would be to say that every round earther would not only have a computer and network intelligence, but also have it armed & ready for use in a concentrated & orchestrated oppositional mass network attack. Not to say that it "couldn't" happen...
But if it did...a network can shut down, make necessary adjustments, and reboot v2.whatever
Resistance would only fan the flames to burn hotter & stronger.  I dont fear it, sir.  I welcome it.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on March 07, 2018, 01:21:20 AM
1. We don't need a currency, we're the Flat Earth Society, not the Flat Earth Central Bank.

2. This website already supports encrypted file sharing, encrypted messaging, and voting features. Why should we use a blockchain to do what this website already does more efficiently?

3. Blockchains are just databases. Very inefficient, decentralized databases. This website is a very efficient centralized database (which has many dozens of backups!). Replacing it with a blockchain would be meaningless.

sorry but I just couldn't help ---

You are one of the biggest supporters of bitcoin on this forum, and yet all of your objections to this project were denouncing blockchain. i understand the post,  i just dont understand how bitcoin is a champion while the blockchain is useless...
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Lord Dave on March 07, 2018, 05:41:35 AM
1. We don't need a currency, we're the Flat Earth Society, not the Flat Earth Central Bank.

2. This website already supports encrypted file sharing, encrypted messaging, and voting features. Why should we use a blockchain to do what this website already does more efficiently?

3. Blockchains are just databases. Very inefficient, decentralized databases. This website is a very efficient centralized database (which has many dozens of backups!). Replacing it with a blockchain would be meaningless.

sorry but I just couldn't help ---

You are one of the biggest supporters of bitcoin on this forum, and yet all of your objections to this project were denouncing blockchain. i understand the post,  i just dont understand how bitcoin a champion while the blockchain is useless...
Learn to read:
He is saying that blockchains suck at running a forum.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on March 07, 2018, 10:04:19 AM
1. We don't need a currency, we're the Flat Earth Society, not the Flat Earth Central Bank.

2. This website already supports encrypted file sharing, encrypted messaging, and voting features. Why should we use a blockchain to do what this website already does more efficiently?

3. Blockchains are just databases. Very inefficient, decentralized databases. This website is a very efficient centralized database (which has many dozens of backups!). Replacing it with a blockchain would be meaningless.

sorry but I just couldn't help ---

You are one of the biggest supporters of bitcoin on this forum, and yet all of your objections to this project were denouncing blockchain. i understand the post,  i just dont understand how bitcoin a champion while the blockchain is useless...
Learn to read:
He is saying that blockchains suck at running a forum.

Learn to read? really? thats ...
perhaps reading is the best suggestion...  i never mentioned anything about a ffahahaha  forum
what the f.. forum? blockchain. brilliant.

Being argumentative is not the same thing as intelligence.
is flat earth society where people come to die to debate?
is flat earth - death to you people?

first 5 pages of google results for flat earth are debate, FES #1 hit.
 
LONG row to hoe, gentlemen. wherever ye be.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 07, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
I don't think you're selling your idea to us anytime soon. Work on your elevator pitch, then come back.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Cain on March 07, 2018, 04:48:37 PM
hmm....... Interesting.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on March 07, 2018, 05:51:42 PM
I don't think you're selling your idea to us anytime soon. Work on your elevator pitch, then come back.

you are mistaken sir.
a) I am selling nothing.
b) I am giving you notice to participate and benefit at your own behest.
c) I will not leave to return.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 08, 2018, 08:02:00 AM
a) I am selling nothing.
I was not using the word "sell" in reference to a monetary transaction. The word "sell" can also mean "to persuade someone that an idea or plan is a good one and likely to be successful" (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sell). I do not think it is in any way controversial to say you haven't sold the idea to us, as of yet.

b) I am giving you notice to participate and benefit at your own behest.
Your notice has been received, catalogued, and indexed. And no one is falling for it. Not unless you improve your plan, or improve your pitch to make it more convincing.

c) I will not leave to return.
Uh... okay.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on March 17, 2018, 02:15:06 PM
you know what you guys, [ FEND ] would actually be perfectly suited for a forum database-  well,  for this forum anyway...

See, those records preserved would be a great way to go back and see all of the comments that are erased & pruned from public eye. :-X



More importantly, it would enable us as a Flat Earth community to do more than just debate,

...but actually VOTE on these various differences of opinionated things-   and then form an ideaology that is representative of the entire Flat Earth community.

Better known as  -getting our shit together.

that should be enough to have this msg nominated for pruning

Thank you for everything you do, Flat Earth Society.  :-*
-AV       
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralised P2P Blockchain
Post by: Baby Thork on March 18, 2018, 02:10:02 AM
Why does it need a currency pegged to it to do that?
Why do we need to put in all that development time just to back forum posts that no one cares about?
Why can't we just vote using the current voting features?

This is like needing a bike to get to work and then buying a Lamborghini Aventador. Which is fine, if you can afford it.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on March 18, 2018, 12:37:21 PM
@Baby Thork,


the forum history blockchain was a joke, a great example of how depending on a single centralised system to benefit anyone but the owners of the system, is just folly.

the difference it makes, is the difference between

Centralised

&

Decentralized
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Baby Thork on March 18, 2018, 12:56:51 PM
So what. Who cares where the forum lives?
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on March 19, 2018, 04:50:32 AM
So what. Who cares where the forum lives?
I don't.

I never did.

I just needed confirmation on where the veil begins.

-AV
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Dither on March 19, 2018, 03:17:44 PM
Flat International Earth Network Decentralized Intelligent Software Host P2P Blockchain.

Hope this helps,,,
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Parsifal on March 19, 2018, 07:08:38 PM
Short of posts which contain other members' personal information, obscenely NSFW content, outright illegal stuff or which are posted by spambots, we generally don't delete any posts. That's what Complete Nonsense and Angry Ranting are for, and why so many posts get moved into there.

While there is obviously no way for you to personally verify this, you will find it difficult to sell your blockchain on such grounds to a forum where almost nobody has experienced their posts being deleted.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Cain on March 23, 2018, 04:35:51 PM
I agree with the Flat-Coin Memester.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on August 10, 2018, 06:26:44 PM
Flat International Earth Network Decentralized Intelligent Software Host P2P Blockchain.
https://github.com/F-E-N-D/FEND
Genesis Release
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Parsifal on August 10, 2018, 06:50:28 PM
Flat International Earth Network Decentralized Intelligent Software Host P2P Blockchain.
https://github.com/F-E-N-D/FEND
Genesis Release

nice turtlecoin
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Rushy on August 10, 2018, 06:57:22 PM
It only took OP five months to copy someone else's code and slap a new name on it. Incredible.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: junker on August 10, 2018, 07:14:02 PM
It only took OP five months to copy someone else's code and slap a new name on it. Incredible.

To be fair he is v busy rn so don't @ him.
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Benjamin Franklin on August 10, 2018, 11:04:17 PM
Ive been working on a decentralized peer to peer blockchain with its own currency for the Flat Earth community. This could later include features like encrypted file sharing, encrypted messages, even a voting mechanism helping to provide an additional form of democracy amongst the community as a whole. [FEND] would be a distributed ledger created by users joining their computer's cpu power together to form a network capable of handling its own currency transactions and payment processing- outside of and without the help of tyrannical governments and banks.  [FEND] Flat Earth Network Dollars are distributed as block rewards for exchange of one's cpu power that creates the [FEND] blockchain, block by block. These blocks can later be used as a record storage for important Flat Earth data, helping to preserve the truth for many generations to come. Interested in what you all think..
-AV
I very much like your idea of scamming FES, but you gotta have an inside man that can sell these nerds on the bait. I'll get everyone on board for half the lambos we get out of this.

Deal?
Title: Re: [FEND] Flat Earth Network Decentralized P2P Blockchain
Post by: Avante Vandaleur on August 11, 2018, 02:44:36 AM
Who needs a lambo just to check the mail bro. Besides man, FES is just a forum. They got no use for such nerd money.

I was only taking @Baby Thork 's advice on Turtlecoin.

And its a nod to the Turtle devs and the tech.


Actually, though, to be honest... the temptation to build The Flat Earth network on the back of a Turtle network was really just too much.   -AV