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Title: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Nightlover261 on June 17, 2017, 10:56:26 AM
Before people start fighting me over the subject, I first want to say that actually I am a Christian and I go to church every Sunday and participate in many of the church's activities. However, I am really convinced that if we go back the moment humans were created on this earth, and take away every religion, there will be world peace... I don't know about you but I would really love to know your opinions.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on June 17, 2017, 11:52:16 AM
Before people start fighting me over the subject, I first want to say that actually I am a Christian and I go to church every Sunday and participate in many of the church's activities. However, I am really convinced that if we go back the moment humans were created on this earth, and take away every religion, there will be world peace... I don't know about you but I would really love to know your opinions.


Nope.


Religion is an excuse to divide, not the reason for division.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Roundy on June 17, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
Yeah no. It's a ridiculous argument because you can't say that if this particular aspect of society that was an inevitable part of its evolution hadn't happened things would be different, because it was inevitable. At any rate I think religion is more a scapegoat than anything else, a convenient excuse for people whose real motivation for going to war is power and wealth. People would want those things whether religion existed or not.

I'm an agnostic btw.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on June 17, 2017, 03:39:26 PM
Tribalism and scarcity of resources causes conflict and religion enables tribalism.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on June 18, 2017, 08:11:43 AM
If we go back the moment humans were created on this earth, and take away every religion, there will be world peace...

There was no religion before the fall of man, there was only direct communion with God. (Adam walked with God in the garden of Eden) After the Fall of Adam, we lost direct communion with God through our sin. 

With or without religion, the world is still at enmity with God. We will still kill each other and have wars and maybe actually be worse off, However, a Christian understands that religion does not save anyone, The theif on the cross never made it to church. Faith and obedience in Christ is all thats required and yes, you can kind of call that faith religion if it floats your boat.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on June 20, 2017, 12:55:05 PM
Much as It would easy to attribute our propensity to kill each other to our addiction to mumbo-jumbo (see above), it’s not the case. We’re just violent and nasty given the chance, and the gods we invent largely prove that, without religion we have ethnicity, long borne grudges and the fact that your valley is nice, I want your valley, but you outnumber me a bit, ooh I came in the night and cut your throats and I have your valley.

It’s estimated that only 6% of wars are religious in intent rather than just wars of expansion between differing faiths, and it is depressing to note, in that 6% how many of those conflicts are internecine, one branch of the same belief butchering the other over interpretation of some ancient gibberish, reminds me of the Emo joke;

  Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump.

I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me."
I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"
He said, "A Christian."
I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"
He said, "Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."

I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

Religion will do as an excuse, but there are plenty others, Europe was traditionally riven with war, usually because of inbred monarchs arguing over strips of land and crowns. We went to war with Spain over an ear, Honduras and El Salvador had one over football, we’re fucked because we’re stupid, god’s a part of that stupidity, but so are flags and pride.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on June 20, 2017, 02:21:53 PM
Without religion, we'd find some other equally arbitrary means of distinguishing 'Us' from 'Them.'

There was a really interesting series of The Island with Bear Grylls* where two groups of 'survivors' were marooned on two parts of a tropical island, a group made up of 18-30 year olds and another made up of over 30s. On the third or fourth day, the two groups who were both struggling to find food and water met one another. You might have expected them to merge the groups, better sub-divide the tasks, and work together. Instead, they had formed very distinct 'In' and 'Out' groups and were at each others' throats before long.

I know that this is just trash reality TV - probably at least partly scripted and carefully edited to exacerbate minor differences, not to mention favouring incompatible people in the first place - but even if entirely fictional, it shows how quickly arbitrary lines in the sand are drawn.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: junker on June 20, 2017, 03:40:52 PM
Without religion, we'd find some other equally arbitrary means of distinguishing 'Us' from 'Them.'

There was a really interesting series of The Island with Bear Grylls* where two groups of 'survivors' were marooned on two parts of a tropical island, a group made up of 18-30 year olds and another made up of over 30s. On the third or fourth day, the two groups who were both struggling to find food and water met one another. You might have expected them to merge the groups, better sub-divide the tasks, and work together. Instead, they had formed very distinct 'In' and 'Out' groups and were at each others' throats before long.

I know that this is just trash reality TV - probably at least partly scripted and carefully edited to exacerbate minor differences, not to mention favouring incompatible people in the first place - but even if entirely fictional, it shows how quickly arbitrary lines in the sand are drawn.

This is a very real thing called realistic conflict theory. The old Robbers cave study did something similar with 11 and 12 year old boys. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realistic_conflict_theory#Robbers_cave_study)

It is also explored in the documentary series Lost.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on June 20, 2017, 08:29:35 PM

And the book Lord of the Flies.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on June 20, 2017, 09:44:29 PM
The Milgram Experiment is pretty telling, under the right conditions we are all capable of atrocities.
Its nice to know that some of them didn't actually go all the way up, but the majority did.

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xOYLCy5PVgM

Oh yeah, and those 1912 RC Baptists are crazy heretics. ;)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Shifter on June 21, 2017, 08:20:18 AM
There are plenty of atheist countries in the world you can look upon to see if the absence of religion has had any impact on their prosperity

Mao Zedong of China..... How did that work out for the Chinese? The great famine in the 60's, or the 'cultural revolution?'

How about the Kim Dynasty of North Korea?

Or Joseph Stalin. How did the people go when he was in charge?

These are just some examples, I could go on and go further back in history

I'm not saying it was the absence of religion that caused the atrocities, but it shows that religion is not the reason for war and hatred. It is merely an excuse

One thing that atheist states seem to have in common is that the leader of the nation is to be somewhat worshipped. You replace 'God' with an 'ordinary man'. Who is that man 'accountable' to. At least with a God, even a King is to answer for his misdeeds in the end. Perhaps thousands of years ago this is what was needed to keep them in line and humble.

How many wars were fought because of a woman? Helen of Troy ring a bell? You don't remove all women because women are fought over. You conversely don't remove all the men because they cant keep it in their pants.

You are always going to have conflict. Others are things like money, land, power, envy etc.

Religion is a scapegoat. It is a tool used to drive the masses. If you remove it, then something just replaces it. Like money. But in most cases I imagine what replaces religion would be un unswerving loyalty to your state (like North Korea). For all the shit we see today, I believe that some people having faith in something is better than nobody having faith beyond our very limited understanding and intellectual capacity.

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 21, 2017, 09:04:46 PM
Sorry .... but you cannot eliminate Belief (religion) .. even atheism (the religion of man being in the place of God) ....
there are only two "religions" in the world ...
the religions of Human achievement (Satanic) and the one "religion" of divine accomplishment (Jesus / God)
............. indeed, as we approach the final days what will emerge is an earthy One-World-Religion devised by man
this earthy One-World-Religion will attempt to silence all opposition and especially the one Biblical Religion of divine accomplishment as we see today
..................... dadmansabode.com (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1667#p1667)
BTW .... this supposed "peace" people are attempting to achieve will be a false peace ... and then sudden destruction will come ... see Revelation 6 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=726#p726) .... are we there yet ??
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on June 21, 2017, 10:02:18 PM
Sorry .... but you cannot eliminate Belief (religion) .. even atheism (the religion of man being in the place of God) ....
there are only two "religions" in the world ...
the religions of Human achievement (Satanic) and the one "religion" of divine accomplishment (Jesus / God)
............. indeed, as we approach the final days what will emerge is an earthy One-World-Religion devised by man
this earthy One-World-Religion will attempt to silence all opposition and especially the one Biblical Religion of divine accomplishment as we see today
..................... dadmansabode.com (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1667#p1667)
BTW .... this supposed "peace" people are attempting to achieve will be a false peace ... and then sudden destruction will come ... see Revelation 6 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=726#p726) .... are we there yet ??

How can a religion that doesn't believe in God be satanic?  Satan is from God.  Like literally since God made everything. 

Secondly, one world religion is literally the goal of most religions in the world.  Christians, Jews, and Muslims all want there to be only one world religion.  God himself all but said it.

And really, if god didn't want us to be proud of our achievements, why the hell would he give us brains?  Why not make us like gold fish, stupid and unable to do anything more than fling poo and look pretty?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rushy on June 21, 2017, 10:32:24 PM
And really, if god didn't want us to be proud of our achievements, why the hell would he give us brains?  Why not make us like gold fish, stupid and unable to do anything more than fling poo and look pretty?

Well, actually it's heavily implied that angels were created for just that purpose. To look pretty and do nothing but worship God all day everyday (and it's also implied that they have no free will, that their worship is mandated). Any man can create an army of robots that worship him, but it takes a real leader to create something that has free will and have that being freely choose to worship you.

Therefore the answer to why would you create humans to worship you is obvious: because there's no fun in having something worship you when it is forced to do so.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 21, 2017, 11:09:12 PM

How can a religion that doesn't believe in God be satanic?  Satan is from God.  Like literally since God made everything. 
Secondly, one world religion is literally the goal of most religions in the world.  Christians, Jews, and Muslims all want there to be only one world religion.  God himself all but said it.
And really, if god didn't want us to be proud of our achievements, why the hell would he give us brains?  Why not make us like gold fish, stupid and unable to do anything more than fling poo and look pretty?

How can a religion that doesn't believe in God be satanic? .... because Satan is the enemy of God and the father of murder and lies - the father of all false belief / error - even atheism
Satan is from God .... no, Satan is a (free willed) rebellious angel at war with God
Christians, Jews, and Muslims all want there to be only one world religion .... um, no .... Christians believe in and point to Jesus Christ the son of God / God manifest in the flesh
Muslims believe that God has no son .... Jews (Judaism) rejects Jesus as the son of God (for now)
only one world religion.  God himself all but said it ..... um, no .... not according the the revelation of God (the Bible) = Jesus is THE way / THE truth and THE life .... there is no salvation under any other name
and no .... God does not intend for you to fling poo
if god didn't want us to be proud of our achievements, why the hell would he give us brains? .... man by his own wisdom cannot find God ..... Since we have accepted the technology of the atom and have rejected the sermon on the mount .. we therefore now live in a society full of nuclear giants and ethical infants
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Roundy on June 22, 2017, 12:29:42 AM
Obvious troll is obvious.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 22, 2017, 07:37:56 PM

How can a religion that doesn't believe in God be satanic?  Satan is from God.  Like literally since God made everything. 
Secondly, one world religion is literally the goal of most religions in the world.  Christians, Jews, and Muslims all want there to be only one world religion.  God himself all but said it.
And really, if god didn't want us to be proud of our achievements, why the hell would he give us brains?  Why not make us like gold fish, stupid and unable to do anything more than fling poo and look pretty?

(http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/223-200.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3213#p3213) .....Philippians 3

Today people think they can find God–and salvation–any number of ways. One God, many paths, they say. You just have to find the right one for you.
Yet those are all roads that go nowhere near heaven. Worse, they lead straight to hell. The question for you is, what path are you on—what road are you traveling?
Do you really know God, and does He know you? There are no more important issues you can resolve than the nature of your relationship with God and the truth about your eternal destiny.
In The Road to Nowhere, John MacArthur offers a three-point test to help you honestly evaluate your standing before God.
Gain confidence in your relationship with the Lord as you discover the distinctive qualities that are part of every believer’s life—and most important,
learn how to steer clear of the road that leads nowhere.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on June 22, 2017, 09:00:58 PM

How can a religion that doesn't believe in God be satanic?  Satan is from God.  Like literally since God made everything. 
Secondly, one world religion is literally the goal of most religions in the world.  Christians, Jews, and Muslims all want there to be only one world religion.  God himself all but said it.
And really, if god didn't want us to be proud of our achievements, why the hell would he give us brains?  Why not make us like gold fish, stupid and unable to do anything more than fling poo and look pretty?

How can a religion that doesn't believe in God be satanic? .... because Satan is the enemy of God and the father of murder and lies - the father of all false belief / error - even atheism
Satan is from God .... no, Satan is a (free willed) rebellious angel at war with God
Christians, Jews, and Muslims all want there to be only one world religion .... um, no .... Christians believe in and point to Jesus Christ the son of God / God manifest in the flesh
Muslims believe that God has no son .... Jews (Judaism) rejects Jesus as the son of God (for now)
only one world religion.  God himself all but said it ..... um, no .... not according the the revelation of God (the Bible) = Jesus is THE way / THE truth and THE life .... there is no salvation under any other name
and no .... God does not intend for you to fling poo
if god didn't want us to be proud of our achievements, why the hell would he give us brains? .... man by his own wisdom cannot find God ..... Since we have accepted the technology of the atom and have rejected the sermon on the mount .. we therefore now live in a society full of nuclear giants and ethical infants

Actually I was more like:

God made Lucifer as an angel.  If you fail to believe in God, then Lucifer can't exist as his existence relies on God making him.  So yes, Satan is from God.  God is literally Satan's father.

All 3 of those religions proclaim themselves to be the one true interpretation.  And those who disbelieve are heretics who will go to Hell.  You can figure out the rest from there.

You literally just made my point.  "Jesus is THE way / THE truth and THE life .... there is no salvation under any other name"  How can there be ANY OTHER RELIGION if Christianity is literally the only correct one?

I'd agree but we're more like teenagers, not infants.  The Jews of old were infants, whining and crying, making rules on what you can and can't eat because you didn't know how to cook it properly.  Waging wars and slavery.  Oh yes, Slavery was a thing.  And quite common.  But I guess us infants are ethically worse..  Oh look, less slavery.  Huh...



Obvious troll is obvious.
Well, yeah, but I like to eat troll bait.  It tastes like chicken.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 22, 2017, 09:17:34 PM
If you fail to believe in God, then Lucifer can't exist as his existence relies on God making him

God exists whether you believe in him or not

All 3 of those religions proclaim themselves to be the one true interpretation. 
And those who disbelieve are heretics who will go to Hell. 
You can figure out the rest from there.


If I hand you a fake twenty dollar bill .... does that now mean that all twenty dollar bills are fake ?

Proof of the existence of God (http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/)

and to clarify .... it's life long rejection of Jesus Christ that places a man in Hell (http://dadmansabode.com/b/27/272005.mp3) < no need to go there
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on June 22, 2017, 09:39:06 PM
As an aside, Macarthur's Eschatology is diametrically opposed to his covenant theology.  (just sayin)
He is a strange bird and not to be trusted with the end times.

From your posts its pretty obvious that you are a Christian, I was under the impression that you are a Roundy.
If you are a Roundy, then please investigate flat earth "seriously" it will help you understand whats happening now.
 
 :)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 22, 2017, 10:06:52 PM
As an aside, Macarthur's Eschatology is diametrically opposed to his covenant theology.  (just sayin)
He is a strange bird and not to be trusted with the end times.

Macarthur's Eschatology is diametrically opposed to his covenant theology ... really? how so

If you are a Roundy, then please investigate flat earth "seriously" it will help you understand whats happening now.

please investigate flat earth .... pfft !! ... no one here able to answer questions (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6291.msg119008#msg119008)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on June 23, 2017, 05:45:20 AM
Macarthur's Eschatology is diametrically opposed to his covenant theology... really? how so

Because Dispensationalism hates Covenant Theology and vice versa, CT speaks of a new covenant with Christ as the head. It leaves no room for a second Covenant with the Jews which is what Dispensationalism is all about.
The Jewish state has used this second covenant (created by dipsys) against the Church of Christ by manipulating politics and persecuting Christian minorities in other country's so yeah its a big deal.

Macarthur will even tell you as much if you read his apologetics on the subject. (Here's a sample)

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/dispen/jmacdis.htm

Like I said, MacArthur is quite unique, and in great error IMO.
The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is exactly that, its the New Covenant with Christ, in a real sense, its a divorce paper establishing the new kingdom of God on the earth and in the heavens.

And again, the earth is flat but knowledge of this isn't salvic, (yet) However, God does say in Revelation 18, "come out of her my people" and he is speaking of coming out of the Babylon worldview which is the heliocentric model designed by the masons and the Jesuits, so please, as a Christian Brother to another Christian Brother.

Research Flat Earth.  :)   
 



Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 24, 2017, 03:43:14 PM
Research Flat Earth.  :)

Research Flat Earth ... already did .... maybe you should succeed where Boots failed (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6291.msg119008#msg119008) ....  flat earthers found wanting
PS: before you confront me about John MacArthur (http://gty.org) .. maybe you should first confront the statements concerning God and the Bible already made on this thread

How can a religion that doesn't believe in God be satanic?
If you fail to believe in God, then Lucifer can't exist as his existence relies on God making him
Christians, Jews, and Muslims all want there to be only one world religion .. only one world religion (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1667#p1667).  God himself all but said it
.... lord dave

waiting for your Biblical responses  ..... oh Brother "in Christ" ??

dispensationalism - Q/A (http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/dispensationalism.mp3)
dispensationalism - Q/A 23:40 (http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/dispensationalism2.mp3)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on June 25, 2017, 05:06:24 AM
Maybe you should first confront the statements concerning God and the Bible already made on this thread

Q: How can a Religion that doesn't believe in God be satanic?

A: Good question, however, according to the scriptures we are already separated from God through original sin, so we are all gone astray and in need of salvation, regardless of how we view other cultures and religious convictions. 

The revelation of Christ in the Bible speaks of one narrow way to salvation. All other avenues are closed. Jesus himself said all who have come before me are thieves and robbers. A Christian is a person who believes the Bible and the Bible says there is no other name given under heaven by which we can be saved.
 



 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 25, 2017, 02:24:06 PM
Q: How can a Religion that doesn't believe in God be satanic?
A: Good question, however, according to the scriptures we are already separated from God through original sin, so we are all gone astray and in need of salvation,
regardless of how we view other cultures and religious convictions. 
The revelation of Christ in the Bible speaks of one narrow way to salvation. All other avenues are closed. Jesus himself said all who have come before me are thieves and robbers.
A Christian is a person who believes the Bible and the Bible says there is no other name given under heaven by which we can be saved.

Very good .... I agree
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Roundy on June 25, 2017, 04:49:08 PM
ITT Dither argues against himself only to discover that he agreed with himself all along.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 25, 2017, 09:18:49 PM
ITT Dither argues against himself only to discover that he agreed with himself all along.

well, it sounds to me that Mr. Dither has a Biblical Salvation .... how bout you Mr. Roundy ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on June 25, 2017, 09:28:33 PM
If I met a version of myself from three months ago, I'd be having some serious arguments with that guy regarding the shape of the earth. I don't think we would get on at all.  ::)

 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on June 25, 2017, 09:43:09 PM
well, it sounds to me that Mr. Dither has a Biblical Salvation .... how bout you Mr. Roundy ?

Being a Flat Earth Christian has been difficult for me.
My own church silenced me, I was not allowed to discus the issue at all.
Within two weeks I was forced to leave for conscience sake, to them, I suppose I am an apostate now.
My wife does not believe in FET and either does anyone I know. We attend seperate church's now.
My secular friends are more supportive than my Christian friends who regard me as a heretic.

I have yet to meet a single Christian Flat Earther,   
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on June 26, 2017, 11:18:35 AM

My own church silenced me, I was not allowed to discus the issue at all.
Within two weeks I was forced to leave for conscience sake, to them, I suppose I am an apostate now.
My wife does not believe in FET and either does anyone I know. We attend separate church's now.
My secular friends are more supportive than my Christian friends who regard me as a heretic.
 

And that is the problem and probably what the original post alluded to.

 I don’t get why, if you are the almighty creator you wouldn’t be a bit better at getting your message across, I mean during biblical times he was all hands on, stopping the sun, destroying whole cities, drowning millions and chucking plagues around like they had a sell by date coming up, but now? He’ll occasionally pop up on a piece of toast, help Leicester city win the championship but he won’t sort out your differences with your wife, won’t update his book so it's less ambiguous, won’t even show himself to give us apostates something to think about, his plagues aren’t preceded by an almighty “Right you sinning fuckers take that!” and are largely aimed at the poor (which is why if he did show his face I’m signing for the dark-side) and he has allowed the opposition to multiply so he just looks soft.

So, with all this you get treated in your own words as a heretic (see my Emo joke?) just because you fell for a hoax, and he’s lost interest.  Shit he has a host of angels, he could delegate one to run up a flat map, or turn Parsifal to a pillar of salt, depending on who is right. (If he does turn up, I will turn flatty even if I don’t join your choir, as all reason will be gone anyway), besides, in the beginning was the word and then he forgot how to use them.

One last Emo joke;

When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realised that the lord doesn’t work that way.
So, I stole one and asked for forgiveness. 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 26, 2017, 06:36:54 PM
When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realized that the lord doesn’t work that way.
So, I stole one and asked for forgiveness. 

Yeah, your theology's been screwed up from point A

I mean during biblical times he was all blah blah blah

News Flash .... "biblical times" ain't over yet < the worst and the best is yet to come (http://dadmansabode.com/b/27/270101b.mp3)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on June 26, 2017, 08:50:19 PM

Well I blame my teachers, the religious ones were idiots; One gave a girl in my class 700 lines to do, 100 for each of the devils he said lived within her! To her credit when he shouted at her for not doing them she said that it was the devils that got her the lines, and they wouldn't do them.

The Science teachers I had were pretty good though.

Thanks for the “news flash” but they've been saying that for over 2,000 years, I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 26, 2017, 09:25:53 PM
I'm not holding my breath
It matters not whether "the final day" happens in your life time or not .... according to the place you place your faith today, the destination is the same
Well I blame my teachers, the religious ones were idiots
most religious ones are ..... but ultimately when you stand before God, there will be no one to blame

Jesus .. the Friend of Sinners (http://dadmansabode.com/b/spekr.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/b/04/040801.mp3)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Roundy on June 27, 2017, 04:58:03 AM
Jura is damaged goods. I don't think she can be saved. :(
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on June 27, 2017, 08:20:25 AM
More than that O circular one, I have no wish to be saved. Long before it became apparent that religion was, the timid and fearful’s reaction to the finality of death, or the narcissists rejection of their mind-numbing insignificance, I was appalled by the message I was being given.
It was starkly focused when I read the words to Amazing grace, specifically the last verse;

 When we’ve been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
Than when we’d first begun.

Having struggled (as a child) with the chilling realisation that dying meant extinction, forever, an eternity of non-being. Religion was a siren call, but this verse made me realise there are worse things than personal annihilation. Much rather Shakespeare’s;

The solemn temples, the great globe itself—
Yea, all which it inherit—shall dissolve,
And like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind.
We are such stuff
As dreams are made on, and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.

What right thinking, self-aware, intelligent creature could submit to such a horror, time without end yodelling to the glory of such a bloated ego, one who created us for that explicit reason?
No! I was born for endless night, and gladly so
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 27, 2017, 01:29:08 PM
I was born for endless night, and gladly so .... indeed how great will be that darkness (http://dadmansabode.com/b/27/272005.mp3)
Jura is damaged goods. I don't think she can be saved .... God has given them over to a reprobate mind ....
1: I do not believe .
2: I will not believe .
3: I cannot believe .......... Romans 1 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43#p43)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rushy on June 27, 2017, 05:04:33 PM
Jura is damaged goods. I don't think she can be saved. :(

Jura is a dude, dude.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 27, 2017, 06:16:12 PM
Jura is damaged goods. I don't think she can be saved. :(
Jura is a dude, dude.

LOL ..... according to the world's dogma < whatever you "identify" as, so be it ..... pfft !!
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Roundy on June 27, 2017, 08:36:12 PM
Jura is damaged goods. I don't think she can be saved. :(

Jura is a dude, dude.

If Jura wants to be identified as male she should choose a gender-appropriate avatar. Otherwise I'll call her as I see her.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rushy on June 27, 2017, 08:41:27 PM
Jura is damaged goods. I don't think she can be saved. :(

Jura is a dude, dude.

If Jura wants to be identified as male she should choose a gender-appropriate avatar. Otherwise I'll call her as I see her.

That's a male avatar you sexist scumbag.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on June 27, 2017, 08:56:14 PM

Revelations 1.

I sense John-boy has jumped to an erroneous conclusion, thank you Rushy, up till then I thought we were getting on just fine.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Roundy on June 27, 2017, 10:14:08 PM
Jura is damaged goods. I don't think she can be saved. :(

Jura is a dude, dude.

If Jura wants to be identified as male she should choose a gender-appropriate avatar. Otherwise I'll call her as I see her.

That's a male avatar you sexist scumbag.

Don't you force your politics on me. I know a chick when I see one.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rushy on June 27, 2017, 11:49:24 PM
Jura is damaged goods. I don't think she can be saved. :(

Jura is a dude, dude.

If Jura wants to be identified as male she should choose a gender-appropriate avatar. Otherwise I'll call her as I see her.

That's a male avatar you sexist scumbag.

Don't you force your politics on me. I know a chick when I see one.

>implying
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on June 29, 2017, 04:51:13 AM
I always thought Jura's avatar was Jane Volturi. (The best vamp in twilight IMO)
Come to mention it, she is missing the red eyes, maybe she's wearing contacts.

In the seventies, a photographer opened up a new business in our town and took photos of everyone who came into the shop and put them up on his front window for people to vote on.
I had my photo taken and months later I went to pick it up, anyway, they couldn't find it for ages and it finally turned up in the under tens girls section, (I was thirteen) whats even worse, I didn't get a single vote either.  :'(
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 30, 2017, 04:26:43 AM
No Religion= Peace ..... really ??

What about the Atheist ?

When Christopher Hitchens observes that .. “Religion is violent .. irrational .. intolerant .. allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry .. invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry .. contemptuous of women and coercive toward children" .. he is both right and wrong . . . . . Hitchens is right because humankind is sinful and selfish .. Indeed .. I believe it was G.K. Chesterton who said that the one Christian doctrine that was demonstrably provable .. even to casual observers .. was the sinfulness and depravity of man .. Thus .. human expressions of the religious impulse will inevitably produce some religious practices and beliefs that would fit Hitchens’ rather grim description . . . . Human history is replete with such flawed expressions of religious faith

However . . this would be true of all secular philosophies and ideologies as well ..
Three of the most heinous and barbaric ideologies .. which produced the greatest cruelties and violations of humanity in the 20th century ..
were fascism .. Nazism and communism . . . . all secular

Hitchens is wrong in that he condemns all religious expression to the category of such violent and negative expressions . . .
Many of the noblest expressions of humanity throughout the centuries have been performed in the name of religion . . .
One thinks of William Wilberforce and his long campaign to end the slave trade in the British Empire . . .
Both the British and American abolitionist movements were founded .. nurtured .. financed and led to victory against the horrific evil of slavery by people who were most often inspired and motivated by deep religious conviction

The great social reform movements of the last half of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century ( child labor reform .. etc ) were often led by people of deep religious faith .. Protestant and Catholic

And of course .. in the lifetime of many of us who were born in the last half of the 20th century .. the most successful and greatest reform movement was the civil rights revolution .. led by a Baptist minister .. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr .. who often said that the movement and the faith that inspired it could not be separated . . . As many will remember .. the civil rights revolution was supported by and led to victory in large part because of the leadership of clergy .. black and white

Lastly .. one is led to ask Mr. Hitchens some questions ..

• Where are the great atheist-sponsored charitable and reform movements ?
• Where are the atheist children homes and orphanages ? ( no .. the government will not count )
• Where are the atheist leaders who are taking vows of poverty and giving themselves in sacrificial service to others ?

As Arthur C. Brooks .. professor at Syracuse University .. points out in his recent book .. Who Really Cares ? (2006): Religious people are far more generous with their own time and money than secularists .. Brooks concludes .. “Religious folks are by far the most charitable people in America today”

. . . . . Dr Richard Land

ps: please keep in mind why the world hates Christians .... Jesus said it would be this way

(http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/0628b-200.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3217#p3217)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on June 30, 2017, 03:13:02 PM

I think if you read back, most/all of the secular or non-believers were against the original premiss, which was proposed by a believer, so I’m a bit surprised at the somewhat jumbled attempt to defend against an atheist’s attack that wasn’t there.

There are a few inaccuracies or contradictions that do need addressing.

Yes, Many Christians were against slavery, however Pope Nicholas V, gods top man in 1452 wasn’t, as he issued a Papal Bull giving it the thumbs up, and even god himself seemed ambivalent, when you say as part of your commandments “thou shalt not covert thy neighbour’s slave” it’s not out of the question to argue, that having them is fine but just don’t get all jealous if the Joneses slave is better than yours. Indeed, many of the southern states who wanted to keep slavery, used bible quotes to back up their case.

As for you lot having all the compassion that too is bollocks, there are many secular charities as there are atheist good people (Richard Carlile, Robin Cavendish, William L Moore, Baba Amte, Henry Salt, look them up for yourself).

Also, a study at the University of Chicago, in collaboration with other universities in 6 countries using game play amongst children came to the conclusion that the children of non-believers were more generous than those of believers, see; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11979235/Muslims-and-Christians-less-generous-than-atheists-study-finds.html. Who’d have thunk it?

If I wished to give you a list of the terrible things done in the name of god, you know I could.

For me, bad people do bad things and there are examples from all walks of life, as I have stated, religion isn’t the only reason people have wars.

If I have a problem with religion, it is that some parts are anti science, particularly the creationists, who have the same aptitude for denial of solid proof as flat earthers.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on June 30, 2017, 04:45:13 PM
Yo Boddie... want an athiest guy who helps others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama

Have fun with that.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 30, 2017, 07:04:28 PM
Yo Boddie... want an athiest guy who helps others? .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama .. Have fun with that.

Yo lordie .... I'm sure he (Dalai) does help others ...
however, all who would hate and hurt another person is one who does not believe God ....
oh they might believe "in" a god or even in no god, but either way what I'm responding to is the thread title: "No Religion = Peace"
as if atheism is the only "belief" that can establish peace .. or that one could eliminate belief (religion) altogether .... even the atheist as a belief

one world religion is literally the goal of most religions in the world.  Christians, Jews, and Muslims all want there to be only one world religion
Satan (according to the Bible) is the god of this world .... and indeed he will attempt to unite a One-World-Religion ... < so predicted (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=737#p737)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on June 30, 2017, 07:13:06 PM
Yo Boddie... want an athiest guy who helps others? .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama) .. Have fun with that.

Yo lordie .... I'm sure he (Dalai) does help others ...
however, all who would hate and hurt another person is one who does not believe God ....
oh they might believe "in" a god or even in no god, but either way what I'm responding to is the thread title: "No Religion = Peace"
as if one could eliminate belief (religion) .... even the atheist as a belief

one world religion is literally the goal of most religions in the world.  Christians, Jews, and Muslims all want there to be only one world religion
Satan (according to the Bible) is the god of this world .... and indeed he will attempt to unite a One-World-Religion ... < so predicted (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=737#p737)

You wanted to show an Athiest leader who did good.
I did.
Everything else you said is irrelevant.

(Also, atheism isn't a belief because to believe in something, you have to accept something as truth without evidence.  So what do you call something that you don't accept BECAUSE there is no evidence? 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on June 30, 2017, 07:22:19 PM
atheism isn't a belief because blah blah blah

um, change the word "belief" and replace it with "adherence to" ....
my world view is an equation that includes God
your world view is an equation that excludes God ..... both are a belief

you have to accept something as truth without evidence
you cannot prove evolution .... however I can prove that all life (DNA) is derived from an intelligent source (http://cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/) < have fun w/ that

So what do you call something that you don't accept BECAUSE there is no evidence? .... evolution (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2779#p2779)

You wanted to show an Atheist leader who did good. I did. ... I did ??


Lord Dave = Evolution has been proven / Language is not Code
Rama Set = You have misunderstood evolution.  It (evolution) is neither random nor undirected
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 01, 2017, 07:10:18 AM
Evolution has been proven.


But now I'm bored.  You aren't even playing with good semantics. :/.


3/10 trolling.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: honk on July 01, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
So what do you call something that you don't accept BECAUSE there is no evidence? .... evolution (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2779#p2779)

What a bizarre set of points. The author keeps making one argument in particular and just rephrasing it somewhat each time - that the atheistic view is inherently nihilistic and there's no motivation for anything beyond the life of an animal in it. Even if that's true - and I think it says a lot more about the author's cynicism than anybody else's that he's so convinced of it - it doesn't make it the tiniest bit more likely that God is real.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on July 01, 2017, 08:19:37 PM
atheism isn't a belief because blah blah blah

um, change the word "belief" and replace it with "adherence to" ....
my world view is an equation that includes God
your world view is an equation that excludes God ..... both are a belief

you have to accept something as truth without evidence
you cannot prove evolution .... however I can prove that all life (DNA) is derived from an intelligent source (http://cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/) < have fun w/ that



So what do you call something that you don't accept BECAUSE there is no evidence? .... evolution (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2779#p2779)

You wanted to show an Atheist leader who did good. I did. ... I did ??

Please stop directing us to horrible lectures, to most non US posters the voice alone will mean they won't get further than than the opening words (whiney and smug).
If you can't summarise or argue the points yourself perhaps you shouldn't be doing this. 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 01, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Evolution has been proven.

um, no ..... no it has not, in fact, evolution is impossible .... because life (DNA (http://www.stephencmeyer.org/)) is more than random matter ....
life is information (http://www.ucg.org/science/dna-tiny-code-thats-toppling-evolution/) < how did it derive from chaotic randomness .. impossible

(http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/255-200.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3162#p3162)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 02, 2017, 12:02:54 AM
it doesn't make it the tiniest bit more likely that God is real.

If God is not real to you, it's because God has not called you nor revealed himself to you ....
according to your own wisdom, you cannot find God (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44#p44)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 02, 2017, 07:48:31 AM
Evolution has been proven.

um, no ..... no it has not, in fact, evolution is impossible .... because life (DNA (http://www.stephencmeyer.org/)) is more than random matter ....
life is information (http://www.ucg.org/science/dna-tiny-code-thats-toppling-evolution/) < how did it derive from chaotic randomness .. impossible

(http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/255-200.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3162#p3162)


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment


2. DNA is not a language.  Its encoded protein chains.  Your links state that low level communication isn't language yet then claim that dna, which is nothing more than a literal blueprint, is language.  Tell me, if whale songs and bee dances aren't language, why are molecular legos?  DNA is a binary code.  Morse code isn't a language either. 


Maybe you should define language first, before you go off on saying what is or isn't a language.


While you're at it, look up impossible because I think you have it confused with improbable.

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 02, 2017, 05:05:44 PM
Maybe you should define language first, before you go off on saying what is or isn't a language.

CODE IS DEFINED as communication between an encoder ( a writer or speaker ) and a decoder ( a reader or listener ) using agreed upon symbols . . . DNA's definition as a LITERAL CODE ( and not a figurative one ) is nearly universal in the entire body of biological literature since the 1960's . . . DNA code has much in common with human language and computer languages . . . DNA transcription is an encoding / decoding mechanism isomorphic with Claude Shannon's 1948 model: .. The sequence of base pairs is encoded into messenger RNA which is decoded into proteins .. Genetic information passes from DNA to an RNA copy and then is READ in the cell by the the ribosome which makes a protein molecule based on the genetic information encoded in DNA . . . This is the central tenet of molecular biology . . . Information theory terms and ideas applied to DNA are not metaphorical .. but in fact quite literal in every way . . . In other words .. the information theory argument for design is not based on analogy at all .. it is direct application of mathematics to DNA .. which by definition is a code

While you're at it, look up impossible because I think you have it confused with improbable.
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk216/robbysphotos/zzz/20100723a.jpg) (http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/)  .. um, no .... I mean impossible

DNA is a binary code.  Morse code isn't a language either

was morse code derived by undirected random chance ... or was morse code derived by an intelligence

btw: .... name any code which came about via non-intelligence

Evolution has been proven.

um, no ..... that is why evolution is referred to as a THEORY (https://www.google.com/search?q=THEORY+defined&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS710US710&oq=THEORY+defined&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4424j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 03, 2017, 03:01:07 PM
Language is not Code.
Please try again.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: honk on July 03, 2017, 03:19:12 PM
um, no ..... that is why evolution is referred to as a THEORY (https://www.google.com/search?q=THEORY+defined&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS710US710&oq=THEORY+defined&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4424j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

Not this dusty old fallacy again. The very first thing we see in this link is:

Quote
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

That's what "theory" means in this context. That the word can mean something else in a different context is irrelevant.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 03, 2017, 04:04:08 PM
>mfw arguing evolution with a christian
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 04, 2017, 04:02:23 AM
Language is not Code

omG .... mama told me not to argue w/ idiots < I'll take her advice :P

CODE IS DEFINED (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119666#msg119666) as communication between an encoder ( a writer or speaker ) and a decoder ( a reader or listener ) using agreed upon symbols

If I wrote on a wall-board .. "Oh lordie is a fat ole dunderhead" in Chinese .... would lordie understand what I wrote ?? ... probably not, no agreed symbols .... sorry mom :)

btw Oh lord Dave, .. name any code (ie blueprints / music / language / recipe etc) which came about via non-intelligence

............... (http://dadmansabode.com/b/spkr.jpg) oops !! and then there was man  (http://dadmansabode.com/b/extra/oops-and-then-there-was-man.mp3)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 04, 2017, 11:45:47 AM
Language is not Code

omG .... mama told me not to argue w/ idiots < I'll take her advice :P

CODE IS DEFINED (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119666#msg119666) as communication between an encoder ( a writer or speaker ) and a decoder ( a reader or listener ) using agreed upon symbols

If I wrote on a wall-board .. "Oh lordie is a fat ole dunderhead" in Chinese .... would lordie understand what I wrote ?? ... probably not, no agreed symbols .... sorry mom :)

btw Oh lord Dave, .. name any code (ie blueprints / music / language / recipe etc) which came about via non-intelligence

............... (http://dadmansabode.com/b/spkr.jpg) oops !! and then there was man  (http://dadmansabode.com/b/extra/oops-and-then-there-was-man.mp3)
And yet, if you wrote it in Chinese, it would still be language.

Code require language to exist, otherwise it has no information to pass on.  For example:

Afterthought snore cheer carpenter wakeful rock mend support slow magic exciting ultra.

 By your definition this is code yet, decoding it gives you nothing even though it's an agreed upon set of symbols by an encoder and decoder.

A bee's dance is also code and language.  So there ya go, that's one.  Bee dancing.

DNA is code without language.  It's interacts with protein chains based on the laws of biochemistry (which is based on physics) to perform tasks. 

However, the problem with finding an example of code not made by intelligence is that you assume God made everything.  So thus, there is nothing in your view of the universe that can possibly be made by someone other than an intelligent being.  Even if we look at say... ice cores, which have information about the early times of the world in them (which scientists must decode using the agreed upon symbols of physics), you can just say "God did it, so not done by non-intelligence".


 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 04, 2017, 02:28:09 PM
DNA is biological information sequence
your post above Dave ....... are the letters / spaces and punctuation - are they of category A or category B
A = random / mindless / no structured sequence (just where they happened to land) .. or
B = design / code / information / intent / writer-reader / speaker-listener / agenda driven / intelligence

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/0721-200XX.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3238#p3238) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk216/robbysphotos/zzz/20100723a.jpg) (http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk216/robbysphotos/zzz/th_20100927a01.jpg) (http://www.stephencmeyer.org/) .. .. DNA: the tiny code that's toppling evolution (http://www.ucg.org/science/dna-tiny-code-thats-toppling-evolution/)

PS: "Afterthought snore cheer carpenter wakeful rock mend support slow magic exciting ultra." < would not INSTRUCT the cell how to proliferate / maintain and even repair itself as we see in DNA

(http://dadmansabode.com/b/spkr.jpg).. Genesis 1:1 -- Creation: Believe It or Not (http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/90-209.mp3)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 04, 2017, 03:15:21 PM
if we look at say... ice cores, which have information about the early times of the world in them (which scientists must decode using the agreed upon symbols of physics),
you can just say "God did it, so not done by non-intelligence".

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PATTERNS AND CODES .... PATTERNS occur naturally .. no help required from a 'designer' . . .
Many patterns occur in nature without the help of a designer .. snowflakes .. tornadoes .. hurricanes .. sand dunes .. stalactites .. rivers and ocean waves . . .
These patterns are the natural result of what scientists categorize as chaos and fractals .. These things are well-understood and we experience them every day ...
CODES .. however .. do not occur without a designer . . . Examples of symbolic codes include music .. blueprints .. languages like English and Chinese .. computer programs .. and yes .. DNA .....
The essential distinction is the difference between a pattern and a code .. Chaos can produce patterns .. but chaos has never been shown to produce codes or symbols . . .
Codes and symbols store information .. which is not a property of matter and energy alone .. Information itself is a separate entity.

ice cores, which have information about the early times of the world in them ....
the only information in ice cores is the information WE (intelligence) measure and apply to them ... ice cores do not store information in and of themselves
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 04, 2017, 06:59:13 PM
Man, it's easy to prove God exists when you use convenient definitions for your terms.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 04, 2017, 09:25:22 PM
you use convenient definitions for your terms .... really ??

DNA defined (https://www.google.com/search?q=dna+defined&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS710US710&oq=dna+defined&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4271j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

deoxyribonucleic acid, a self-replicating material present in nearly all living organisms as the main constituent of chromosomes.
It is the carrier of genetic information (http://www.stephencmeyer.org/)
---------------------------------------
DNA .. Examples Word Origin .. 1. Genetics. deoxyribonucleic acid: an extremely long macromolecule that is the main component of chromosomes and is the material that transfers genetic characteristics in all life forms, constructed of two nucleotide strands coiled around each other in a ladderlike arrangement with the sidepieces composed of alternating phosphate and deoxyribose units and the rungs composed of the purine and pyrimidine bases adenine, guanine, cytosine, and thymine: the genetic information of DNA is encoded in the sequence of the bases and is transcribed as the strands unwind and replicate.
Compare base pair, gene, genetic code, RNA. ........... < all by an undirected / mindless accident of course, lol
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 04, 2017, 09:44:47 PM
I meant for "code" and "pattern".
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 04, 2017, 09:50:49 PM
I meant for "code" and "pattern"

it sounds to me you understand not the meaning of either
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 04, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
I meant for "code" and "pattern"

it sounds to me you understand not the meaning of either

Keep believing that. It makes it easier for you to dismiss criticism. You need that when dealing with creationism.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 04, 2017, 10:56:15 PM
Afterthought snore cheer carpenter wakeful rock mend support slow magic exciting ultra .... By your definition this is code yet blah blah blah

um, no .... random words with no intended meaning  / intention or instruction is not code (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119666#msg119666) ....
It would be as if I handed you a twenty dollar bill cut into pieces / rearranged / half the pieces flipped upside down and taped together all discombobulated  ... would you accept it ??
again lord Dave found wanting ..... follow the science Dave ... follow the science
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 05, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
There is no scientific theory that requires a code be created by intelligence.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on July 05, 2017, 03:26:25 PM
it's interesting that you claim the difference between a pattern and a code is the intent, that a code is intended to carry information - in this case instructions for making an organism. However, you haven't demonstrated intent. A river bed is a 'code' of sorts which transmits information to water molecules about how to flow, and this information is constantly read and replicated by millions, billions of water molecules every day. A river on the 5th May is not the same river as one on the 6th May, but by following the instructions of the riverbed, the water has replicated a functionally identical river.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 05, 2017, 04:08:55 PM
A river bed is a 'code' of sorts which transmits information < (um, no) to water molecules about how to flow

No .... not really, you're seeing patterns (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119740#msg119740), not code
waster contains no internal complex communication mechanism, no DNA ... just as dirt, water is matter and matter alone .... Life is matter + DNA < information
information (code) can only come about via a designer .... biological s e q u e n c e < back to the drawing board for you ... follow the science Gost

So tell me Gost (since lord Dave failed to answer) .... your post above, are the letters / spaces and punctuation - are they of category A or category B
A = random / mindless / no structured sequence (just where they happened to land) .. or
B = design / code / information / intent / writer-reader / speaker-listener / agenda driven / intelligence

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 05, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
A river bed is a 'code' of sorts which transmits information < (um, no) to water molecules about how to flow

No .... not really, you're seeing patterns (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119740#msg119740), not code
waster contains no internal complex communication mechanism, no DNA ... just as dirt, water is matter and matter alone .... Life is matter + DNA < information
information (code) can only come about via a designer .... biological s e q u e n c e < back to the drawing board for you ... follow the science Gost

Hey silly, DNA is matter too.  Please support your assertion that "information (code) can only come about via a designer".  I see no justification for this.   
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 05, 2017, 06:02:06 PM
DNA is matter too < and also the letters on the Gettysburg address are paper and ink (matter) ... so is your latest hard-copy romance novel

a painting is canvas / wood and paints (matter) ... now tell me about the Mona Lisa

support your assertion that "information (code (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119666#msg119666)) can only ..... < study this link till you understand it

was morse code derived by undirected random chance ... or was morse code derived by a designer / intelligence

I see no justification for this < Indeed a man convinced against his will is unconvinced still

what's worse than being blind is having eyes and being unwilling to see ... Helen Keller

your DNA is not just a mixture of chemicals, but a code sequence that is specifically you ...
it's what stands in a court of law as admissible evidence that might place you at a certain scene ..
just as your finger prints (and even now an eye scan) are unique to you and to no one else on the planet
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 05, 2017, 07:23:25 PM
DNA is matter too < and also the letters on the Gettysburg address are paper and ink (matter) ... so is your latest hard-copy romance novel

a painting is canvas / wood and paints (matter) ... now tell me about the Mona Lisa

support your assertion that "information (code (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119666#msg119666)) can only ..... < study this link till you understand it



was morse code derived by undirected random chance ... or was morse code derived by a designer / intelligence

Sorry, you concocting your own convenient definition of "code" is not convincing of anything except your bias. In fact when you look up the Merriam-Webster definition of "code" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/code), you'll see it has a separate entry for Genetic code meaning the definition for genetic code is not the same as that of morse code or indeed any generalized code. 

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I see no justification for this < Indeed a man convinced against his will is unconvinced still

what's worse than being blind is having eyes and being unwilling to see ... Helen Keller

Ad hominems are not really a help.

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your DNA is not just a mixture of chemicals, but a code sequence that is specifically you ...
it's what stands in a court of law as admissible evidence that might place you at a certain scene ..
just as your finger prints (and even now an eye scan) are unique to you and to no one else on the planet

What does that have to do with requiring an intelligence or not? As far as I can tell this is irrelevant.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 05, 2017, 07:26:53 PM
As far as I can tell this is irrelevant .... later dude





Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 05, 2017, 08:37:26 PM
As far as I can tell this is irrelevant .... later dude

I'm sorry you can't justify your faith based beliefs with rational thought.  Good luck to you.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on July 06, 2017, 08:11:39 AM
A river bed is a 'code' of sorts which transmits information < (um, no) to water molecules about how to flow

No .... not really, you're seeing patterns (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119740#msg119740), not code
waster contains no internal complex communication mechanism, no DNA ... just as dirt, water is matter and matter alone .... Life is matter + DNA < information
information (code) can only come about via a designer .... biological s e q u e n c e < back to the drawing board for you ... follow the science Gost

So tell me Gost (since lord Dave failed to answer) .... your post above, are the letters / spaces and punctuation - are they of category A or category B
A = random / mindless / no structured sequence (just where they happened to land) .. or
B = design / code / information / intent / writer-reader / speaker-listener / agenda driven / intelligence

DNA is just matter. The various nucleotides combine as an inevitable result of chemistry, just as a river meanders through a valley as an inevitable result of geology. You haven't demonstrated that there is any intent behind how DNA forms any more than any intent behind how a river forms.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 06, 2017, 01:19:26 PM
DNA is just matter

no, water and dirt are matter alone ... life is matter + information / code

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0174.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3218#p3218) (http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0175c.jpg) (https://www.cs.us.es/~fran/students/julian/sequence_alignment/sequence_alignment.html) ... follow the science Gost ..

apply the intelligence to whomsoever you will ... sorry, but mindless undirected random chance need not apply

You haven't demonstrated  < oh but indeed (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+stephen+myere) I have
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: honk on July 06, 2017, 02:21:59 PM
Could you please stop linking to some other website in lieu of arguing your points yourself? We're debating you, not the author of those posts.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 06, 2017, 02:22:34 PM
DNA is just matter

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0174.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3218#p3218) ... follow the science Gost ..
apply the intelligence to whomsoever you will ... sorry, but mindless undirected random chance need not apply



900-878

You have misunderstood evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 06, 2017, 03:16:20 PM
Could you please stop linking to some other website in lieu of arguing your points yourself?
We're debating you, not the author of those posts.

lol ... aww ya killn me :) ... please don't hate me cause I'm informative :(

We're debating you < bring it on Bitch

evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected < so you admit there is intelligence involved ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 06, 2017, 03:36:22 PM

evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected < so you admit there is intelligence involved ?

Why would you think that?  All I admitted was that evolution is neither random nor undirected.  You shouldn't put words in people's mouths. 

Like any reasonable person, I do not claim to know for sure if there is a higher power at work in the universe.  I can tell you a couple of things about the idea though: it is not necessary for evolution, it is not a testable scientific theory. 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 06, 2017, 03:43:32 PM
I do not claim to know for sure if there is a higher power at work in the universe

follow the science

evolution, it is not a testable scientific theory

thank you very much
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on July 06, 2017, 03:46:11 PM
Could you please stop linking to some other website in lieu of arguing your points yourself?
We're debating you, not the author of those posts.

lol ... aww ya killn me :) ... please don't hate me cause I'm informative :(

We're debating you < bring it on Bitch

evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected < so you admit there is intelligence involved ?

Evolution is as directed and organised as the Mississippi River. Environmental pressures drive both the survival of organisms and the flow of water through the riverbed.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 06, 2017, 03:52:53 PM
Evolution is as directed and organised as the Mississippi River

some one please show this man the difference between (Earth driven) patterns (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119740#msg119740) and the complexity of DNA code (stored information) .... Gost you're not even in the ballpark

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0174.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3218#p3218) (http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0175c.jpg) (https://www.cs.us.es/~fran/students/julian/sequence_alignment/sequence_alignment.html) .. keep trying though

What's worse than being blind is having eyes and unwilling to see .... Helen Keller < indeed If the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness ... Jesus

(http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/SIN02-200XX.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3160#p3160)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 06, 2017, 04:24:04 PM
Evolution is as directed and organised as the Mississippi River

some one please show this man the difference between (Earth driven) patterns (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6405.msg119740#msg119740) and the complexity of DNA code (stored information) .... Gost you're not even in the ballpark

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0174.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3218#p3218) (http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0175c.jpg) (https://www.cs.us.es/~fran/students/julian/sequence_alignment/sequence_alignment.html) .. keep trying though

What's worse than being blind is having eyes and unwilling to see .... Helen Keller < indeed If the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness ... Jesus
Evolution (and by such DNA) is, by your definition, an earth driven pattern.

Evolution states that genes that benefit survival are passed on simply because they survive.  Thus, nature driven pattern:
If you live, you have kids.  If Gene X helps you live, your kids have Gene X.  They have better chance of living.  Pass until all the weak genes are weeded out or Gene X is very strong.

Repeat until species is extinct.

Also remember: Evolution is not ambiogenesis.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 06, 2017, 05:39:24 PM
Evolution (and by such DNA) is, by your definition, an earth driven pattern < um, no .... not at all

dirt and water are matter alone .... does dirt or water (earth driven patterns) have the ability to reproduce itself ?? .... Y/N

Just as the Gettysburg address was written with ink and paper (matter alone) YOU have to explain how the letters / symbols
were able to ARRANGE and PLACE themselves in order to deliver an intelligent concept / communication (write-read / speak-listen)
 .... non-intelligence delivering intelligence ?? < you explain
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Roundy on July 06, 2017, 05:50:51 PM

evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected < so you admit there is intelligence involved ?

Why would you think that?  All I admitted was that evolution is neither random nor undirected.  You shouldn't put words in people's mouths.

I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 06, 2017, 05:53:22 PM
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

something or someONE directing it ??? ??? < you got me

All I admitted was that evolution is neither random nor undirected.  You shouldn't put words in people's mouths.
You have misunderstood evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected

your exact quote
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 06, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
Evolution (and by such DNA) is, by your definition, an earth driven pattern < um, no .... not at all

dirt and water are matter alone .... does dirt or water (earth driven patterns) have the ability to reproduce itself ?? .... Y/N
DNA does not have the ability to reproduce itself.  Not sure why that's a criteria. 

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Just as the Gettysburg address was written with ink and paper (matter alone) YOU have to explain how the letters / symbols
were able to ARRANGE and PLACE themselves in order to deliver an intelligent concept / communication (write-read / speak-listen)
 .... non-intelligence delivering intelligence ?? < you explain
What makes it intelligent?  That YOU can read it?  What about someone who can't read it?  Someone who looks at it as just a bunch of lines and cruves on a piece of paper?  Is it still intelligent?

If you do not understand the message, how do you know it's a message at all?

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 06, 2017, 06:27:27 PM
DNA does not have the ability to reproduce itself

um, yeah, it kinda does ... the DNA INSTRUCTS / DIRECTS the (living) cell how to operate / maintain / repair and duplicate itself

go get some education concerning the complexity of DNA and its biological s e q u e n c e ... we might continue the conversation ... later dude :)

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0174.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3218#p3218) (http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0175c.jpg) (https://www.cs.us.es/~fran/students/julian/sequence_alignment/sequence_alignment.html)




999-900-878
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 06, 2017, 07:24:30 PM
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

The evolutionary process has forces directing it.  What gave you the impression I thought otherwise?

All I admitted was that evolution is neither random nor undirected.  You shouldn't put words in people's mouths.
You have misunderstood evolution.  It is neither random nor undirected

your exact quote

Yeah, exactly.  I never mentioned intelligence being involved, yet you pounced on me as if I had.  Maybe you are having trouble understanding me?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 06, 2017, 08:09:27 PM
DNA does not have the ability to reproduce itself

um, yeah, it kinda does ... the DNA INSTRUCTS / DIRECTS the (living) cell how to operate / maintain / repair and duplicate itself

go get some education concerning the complexity of DNA and its biological s e q u e n c e ... we might continue the conversation ... later dude :)
I bolded the relevant part for ya.
DNA does not replicate itself anymore than a blueprint of a building copies itself.  You said yourself, DNA tells something else how to make more DNA.  It can not self replicate.  Put DNA in a petri dish with nutrients and it won't do anything. 

And if you want to claim it does because something else is the builder following the blueprint then I will submit that a single celled organism with no intelligence is identical to a human reading a blueprint of a building when it comes to replication.  In which case, intelligence is not required.  A single cell can't think.  It can't read intelligently.  All it can do is follow chemistry and physics.  The arrangement of atoms and matter as they interact with molecules.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Roundy on July 06, 2017, 08:40:25 PM
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

The evolutionary process has forces directing it.  What gave you the impression I thought otherwise?

I'm still confused. You're saying these forces act with intent, yet are not intelligent? Can you explain how that works exactly?

Actually the word "random" implies lack of intent. Which means that something that isn't random does have intent behind it. How does that work without intelligence being involved?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 06, 2017, 08:45:14 PM
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

The evolutionary process has forces directing it.  What gave you the impression I thought otherwise?

I'm still confused. You're saying these forces act with intent, yet are not intelligent? Can you explain how that works exactly?
Wouldn't instinct be an intent without intelligence?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Roundy on July 06, 2017, 08:47:42 PM
I'm sorry, in what sense can something be directed without something directing it? ???

The evolutionary process has forces directing it.  What gave you the impression I thought otherwise?

I'm still confused. You're saying these forces act with intent, yet are not intelligent? Can you explain how that works exactly?
Wouldn't instinct be an intent without intelligence?

No.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 07, 2017, 03:22:31 AM

I'm still confused. You're saying these forces act with intent, yet are not intelligent? Can you explain how that works exactly?

No that is not what I am saying.

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Actually the word "random" implies lack of intent. Which means that something that isn't random does have intent behind it. How does that work without intelligence being involved?

The word random does not imply intent, it implies a lack of predictability, at least in the context I am using it.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on July 08, 2017, 09:32:48 PM


You  ask the question;

Evolution (and by such DNA) is, by your definition, an earth driven pattern < um, no .... not at all

dirt and water are matter alone .... does dirt or water (earth driven patterns) have the ability to reproduce itself ?? .... Y/N


Well, Yes.

Crystals do just that, and clay in particular is able to seed itself by wind born dust to suitable areas for regrowth. Clays are also interesting in the way they can catalyse proto-organic molecules providing a structure where they can replicate.

The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs.
 
These vesicles also grow and undergo a simple form of division, giving them the properties of primitive cells. Previous work has shown that the same simple mineral can help assemble the genetic material RNA from simpler chemicals. “Interestingly, the clay also gets internalised in the vesicles,” says Leslie Orgel, an origin of life expert at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in San Diego, California. “So this work is quite nice in that it finds a connection between the mechanism that creates RNA and encloses it in a membrane.” (New Scientist 23rd October 2003)

The clay would act as a surrogate “cell”, as RNA like molecules have been created spontaneously in conditions that probably existed on the primordial earth, it is conceivable that this may have been the way life started, randomly and without intelligence.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on July 08, 2017, 11:15:03 PM
It is conceivable that this may have been the way life started, randomly and without intelligence.

I agree, it is conceivable in a Heliocentric model, not in a Geocentric model.

A Geocentric model implies intelligent design, the Heliocentric model is a whole bunch of hypothetical lies made by men whose agenda it is to deny that God exists. Its not science, its subterfuge, and this is why Creation Scientists will never get it right because they are using the same model that the Atheistic Scientists are using.
 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 10, 2017, 08:33:31 PM
14 The Truth About Transgenderism and your DNA

(http://dadmansabode.com/ph/WAT-XX2.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3226#p3226)

lol .... back to "no religion = peace" ..... it sounds to me that no truth (or "fluid truth") = chaos and confusion
I thought this was a great presentation from the Fuel Project (http://thefuelproject.org/) ... just had to share ....... carry on :)

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on July 10, 2017, 09:13:35 PM

You struggling with something Bo?

Want some help?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Screamer on July 11, 2017, 10:25:12 AM
Before people start fighting me over the subject, I first want to say that actually I am a Christian and I go to church every Sunday and participate in many of the church's activities. However, I am really convinced that if we go back the moment humans were created on this earth, and take away every religion, there will be world peace... I don't know about you but I would really love to know your opinions.

This is complete and utter guff. No one has ever gone to war over religion. People always go to war over resources. Any war you care to mention, resources.


The people who fight in wars are rarely the ones who profit from it, and so they must be told something that will inspire them to fight.

What is religion for? Well religion is one of the 3 pillars of civilisation. No civilisation has ever amounted to anything without a religion. The 3 pillars are ...

You can't build a civilisation without all 3 and if you remove any of the three, you get the end of empire.

I'll focus on religion for this answer though. Religion is good for people. You either have a big religion or a big government. You can't have neither. Trey Gowdy does an excellent speech illustrating the correlation.

https://youtu.be/ISD3rV9bGYQ?t=6m17s
Goto 6 minutes and 17 seconds.

If you have a big government, you have few freedoms. Government will seek to maintain order by being pervasive and infiltrating every aspect of your life. And this will cost you a fortune in taxes as a big government has huge costs. But a religion creates order without government. Good religions all have an aspect of law in them. Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal etc and they also all share an omnipotent God and an after life. Both are important. When no one else is watching you, God is. And if you aren't caught committing crime by a man, there will be divine retribution when you die. And this creates order. A set of rules that everyone can live by that don't need massive state intervention. Big religion, small government.

Now the argument many atheists have (and they are wrong), is that they have their own morality and everyone else should too. The problem with this is that people define their own rules and some people are dumb. There is an excellent video where an atheist woman is challenged that animal lives are worth the same as human lives. Sorry but I can't find it.
And she argued that she had the moral high ground and animals were every bit as important. And the rebuttal was that the bible said human life was sacrosanct. Not animal life. And she scoffed and trashed the mans beliefs. So he asked her what her morality was built on if not religion. And she replied love and compassion.
So he asked her "If you were walking your dog and both your dog and a stranger were stood on a frozen lake, and the ice cracked giving you time to save only one of them, which one would you save? The dog you love, or the stranger you know nothing about?" And she fucking paused. She thought about it for about 20-30 seconds by which time the guy asking said you've taken so long they are both dead.
So she says "my dog, I'd save my dog".
And that is the reason we have religions. It takes the guess work out of making important decisions of morality. She would save a wretched dog to give it 5 more years of life because she would act selfishly and she prizes love and animal life above that of men. Rather than suffer a little personal sense of loss, she would let a parent lose their son, a man lose his brother, a woman lose her husband and a child lose its father. Some people are just fucking dumb, and religion is good for them. If she thought for one second her own mortal soul would spend an eternity burning in hell if she didn't help the man, she'd have got him out pronto, because you can bet your last dime she values HER life more than that of her dog's.

So a set of moral rules everyone shares is important to building a successful civilisation. you cannot argue against that. There have been no successful civilisations that were atheist. None.

Now atheists like to criticise a religion by semantically picking holes in a story or part of it. Adam and Eve is a favourite refuge of the atheist. How can the first man and woman have 3 sons and mankind continue? Anthropology is not what the story is about. It is about resisting temptation. And religious people haven't just been stupid throughout the ages. There is this misconception that people were stupid before 1900 and that they are much smarter now and don't need religion. Ask one of those people to design a Cathedral however and they might appreciate that our forefathers weren't that stupid. Religious people ignore the flaws in a religion. It is called blind faith. You are blind to the flaws because you know that if you and everyone else buy into it, your lives will be immeasurably better. Would you rather know the truth and live in misery or believe in the fantasy if it means your life is better. Terry Pratchet understands this concept and Death explains it in the Hogfather.

https://youtu.be/DBnENlXt-H4?t=1m51s
Goto 1 minute and 51 seconds.

As Death says, you need to believe in things that aren't true to be human. To be civilised. It is no coincidence that when Europeans tried to civilise Africans and South American natives, they sent missionaries.

So having made my case that religion serves a purpose and that without it we would not be able to be civilised let me explain why religion is used to justify war.

Because it is so powerful. It is one of the 3 pillars. If you break any of the pillars you destroy a civilisation ... (yes the west is in decline because it removed usury laws forbidden by religion). It is now drowning in debt. Religion is there to hold the law to account. So when unscrupulous lawmakers are lobbied and changed the law against religion the people should cry heresy! Even the suggestion should be blasphemy. But by the time usury laws were revoked you had "educated" men leading Deist movements and claiming God was only for the stupid. Religion could no longer be the defense.

If you can grab any of the three pillars, you can rule a nation. Kings tend to grab hold of law. And steer a nation with its laws. Nathan Rothschild grabbed the money supply and boasted "I care not who makes the laws in a nation, he who controls the money supply controls the British Empire and I control the money supply". If we'd had an absolute King of course that one person could have just outlawed that, but Britain had a parliament and parliaments are full of corruption. The Vatican derived its power and wealth by grabbing hold of religion.
Anyone who abuses one of the three pillars is someone we define as a tyrant. Henry VIII is the only tyrant I can think of that abused all three. A super tyrant. He split religion and changed it so he could get a divorce to ensure his own linage. (fortunately only a small change which damaged the religion but didn't destroy it, most was left intact). He counterfeited the nation's money reducing the silver pound sterling from 92.5% silver down to 42.5%. Fortunately his daughter Elizabeth I put it right back so Britain didn't die in the same way the roman Empire did by counterfeiting the Denarius until it had 1/500th the silver it purported to have. And he changed all kinds of laws taking land from people and destroying private property rights. A grade A villain.

And so it is not the religion that is the problem. It is the men who take a religion and command its people to do awful things in the name of God. But without the religion there could be no civilisation. And if men could not control a religion, they would just seek to control the money or laws of a nation instead. It doesn't make any difference. They will cause wars whenever they need resources and blame whatever they can get away with. Unfortunately religion is a common goto. But the other two can do the same. Rothchild's mother said on her death bed, "if my sons did not want war, there would be none".

So the tl;dr answer to the OP is, people never go to war for religion. They go to war for resources, and religion is a handy excuse, but a different excuse would be conjured if religion didn't exist.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 11, 2017, 04:14:24 PM
Amen and Amen .... “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards
the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=37#p37) itself has ordained” .... George Washington

“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=751#p751) and the Bible.”  .... George Washington

Three of the most heinous and barbaric ideologies ..
which produced the greatest cruelties and violations of humanity in the 20th century ..
were fascism .. Nazism and communism . . . . all secular
no, they did not murder "in the name of atheism" .. they murdered from the ideological platform of atheism

Atheism and world peace (https://www.facebook.com/FFAF.International/photos/a.392139044163477.91994.390996674277714/838926049484772/?type=1&theater) ?? .... < not so much
Atheism As A Religion (https://www.amazon.com/Atheism-As-Religion-Introduction-Understood-ebook/dp/B00LTIFB9M/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=8-1&qid=1413037493): An Introduction to the World's Least Understood Faith
the real consequences of atheism.mp3 (http://www.reasonablefaith.org/mediaf/podcasts/uploads/RF_The_Real_Consequences_of_Atheism_2014.mp3)

btw: true Religion (the Biblical Jesus / divine accomplishment) indeed has its perverted Satanic siblings (the religions of Human achievement)

(http://dadmansabode.com/b/video2.jpg) the damning power of false religion .. (https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/43-25)Recorded Jun 16 2013 (http://dadmansabode.com/b/spekr.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/b/04/040502.mp3)

Since we have accepted the technology of the atom and have rejected the sermon on the mount (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=68#p68) ..
we therefore now live in societies full of nuclear giants and ethical infants
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 12, 2017, 12:41:50 PM
@zara-Just because you say these wars were not started because of religion doesn't mean it is so. You might be right, but where's the evidence?

I think the biggest issue that goes unsaid is that people do violence for every reason, in fact every reason they can hold in their mind can be twisted to violence.

The Stalin and Mao arguments are canards because their violence was not motivated by atheism, or at least that is a conclusion I have never seen evidence for, and I have looked for it. Nazi Germany was certainly not secular.

There are very peaceful secular societies like Scandanavia and Canada. There are regimes that have done violence to eliminate religion; not Russia, China or Germany but Albania certainly has.

It seems to me that the horrors of war in the 20th century was on such a scale because of technology moreso than ideology.

There are religiously motivated crimes and violence too liiiiiike Jihad. Like Christians bombing abortion clinics. A giant portion of Zionists will tell you that the conflict between Palestine and Israel is religious. The tension is Kashmir is between Muslims and Hindus. The troubles in Ireland centered on the tribalism resulting from Protestantism and Catholicism.

Making someone in to an outsider is a better way to justify violence than ideology. Although any ideology can carry the message that outsiders are evil quite effectively.

I posted this on my phone, so sorry if it is unfocused and rambling.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 12, 2017, 01:23:15 PM
"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." — Matthew 24:37 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=87#p87) < are we there yet ??

In The News - The Earth is Filled With Violence Genesis 6:13 (http://www.bibletoday.com/archive/earth_filled_with_violence.htm#.WWYhyoTyu70) < this is what it all means for us today
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1776 .. the US Revolutionary war dead = 4,435
1860 .. the US Civil war dead = 620,000
1914 .. WW1 dead = 8,500,000 (8.5 million) .. the war that was "supposed" to end all wars . . . until
1939 .. WW2 dead = 60,000,000 (60 million)

WW3 dead ? .. see: Revelation 9 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=729#p729) = (1/3rd of mankind)

2,300,000,000 (probably) an all-out Global Nuclear exchange ..

1/3rd of the population is approx 2.3 Billion as of 2010 = (40 times WW2 dead) would someone like to tell me that this is not now possible ??

trending toward Wars and Rumors of Wars / violence will fill the Earth (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1342#p1342)


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Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 12, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
I would like to, but I can't.

I would recommend listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History episode on the outbreak of WW I. He does an interesting detour in to the growth of the standing army and how that contributed to ever escalating casualties in the 20th century.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on July 13, 2017, 10:11:33 AM
trending toward Wars and Rumors of Wars / violence will fill the Earth (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1342#p1342)

"And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment…at this time, a friend shall lose his friend’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before around eight o’clock..." - Book of Python
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 13, 2017, 03:33:08 PM
(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0185XX.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3236#p3236) know this first of all Ghost .. that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking .. following after their own lusts

It must feel kinda weird to know you're actually playing a part in the fulfillment of Bible prophecy ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on July 13, 2017, 08:07:50 PM

Even weirder to find out you are in a python scetch.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Urania_Clio on July 16, 2017, 12:19:51 PM
Before people start fighting me over the subject, I first want to say that actually I am a Christian and I go to church every Sunday and participate in many of the church's activities. However, I am really convinced that if we go back the moment humans were created on this earth, and take away every religion, there will be world peace... I don't know about you but I would really love to know your opinions.

I have to disagree with you.

Historically speaking, we cannot attribute as much of the conflict and violence in recorded human history to religious differences as is typically assumed. One can look at an obvious example of religious war, such as the First Crusade, and look at how differences in religion were used to start that conflict.

On the other hand, the largest conflicts and outbreaks of violence are usually caused by political and social factors. For example, we can look at World War I. Most of the nations involved in the "war to end all wars" nominally had some denomenation of Christianity as their official state religion, but there were also countries and empires involved that were predominantly Muslim or Hindu. The outbreak of total war between 1914 and 1918 wasn't precipitated by religion. Instead, rampant nationalism (mostly in Western Europe) from the late 1800s onwards had created a situation where widespread conflict was almost entirely sure to break out at some point. The war that broke out after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand occured because of diplomatic, political, and nationalist choices.

As far as religiously-motivated violence and conflict go, I'm sure that many of the commentators before me have mentioned that religion is often just used as an excuse to justify someone's actions. In far too many of the cases where people blame religion, they're using it as a convenient excuse to get away, quite literally, with murder. If we didn't have religion, they'd be blaming ethnicity, race, language, economics, politics, social traditions, or any of the other myriad things that people use to differentiate themselves.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on July 16, 2017, 09:52:18 PM
Before people start fighting me over the subject,

Famous last words before said alt disappears into the Night-Lover261.

So have we establised yet that mankind doesn't need Religion to kill each other.
If so, where do we get our killer instincts from? Did we learn them or inherit them?
Why are we greedy and lustful? Is it for pleasure or is it a survival instinct?

Why do I have to go to a job that I hate, to make money to buy stuff that doesn't bring any fulfilment?
No seriously, I've gotta get out of the Gold Coast, I hate it here, it just sucks  :(
 

 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 17, 2017, 12:37:54 AM
Before people start fighting me over the subject,

Famous last words before said alt disappears into the Night-Lover261. So have we establised yet that mankind doesn't need Religion to kill each other.
If so, where do we get our killer instincts from? Did we learn them or inherit them? Why are we greedy and lustful? Is it for pleasure or is it a survival instinct? Why do I have to go to a job that I hate, to make money to buy stuff that doesn't bring any fulfilment? No seriously, I've gotta get out of the Gold Coast, I hate it here, it just sucks  :(

word to the Child of God (Christian) ..... > these things I (Jesus) have spoken to you .. so that in me you may have peace ..
In the world you have tribulation .. but take courage . . .  I have overcome the world (https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/43-92/the-hope-that-overcomes-the-world) ...... John 16:33 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=145#p145)

word to the Child of Satan (atheist / unsaved) ..... life sucks and then you die


Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 17, 2017, 11:37:59 AM
Before people start fighting me over the subject,

Famous last words before said alt disappears into the Night-Lover261. So have we establised yet that mankind doesn't need Religion to kill each other.
If so, where do we get our killer instincts from? Did we learn them or inherit them? Why are we greedy and lustful? Is it for pleasure or is it a survival instinct? Why do I have to go to a job that I hate, to make money to buy stuff that doesn't bring any fulfilment? No seriously, I've gotta get out of the Gold Coast, I hate it here, it just sucks  :(

word to the Child of God (Christian) ..... > these things I (Jesus) have spoken to you .. so that in me you may have peace ..
In the world you have tribulation .. but take courage . . .  I have overcome the world (https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/43-92/the-hope-that-overcomes-the-world) ...... John 16:33 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=145#p145)

word to the Child of Satan (atheist / unsaved) ..... life sucks and then you die

I wouldn't expect a person of the book to find their own words to express their views.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on July 17, 2017, 01:37:56 PM
Before people start fighting me over the subject,

Famous last words before said alt disappears into the Night-Lover261.

So have we establised yet that mankind doesn't need Religion to kill each other.
If so, where do we get our killer instincts from? Did we learn them or inherit them?
Why are we greedy and lustful? Is it for pleasure or is it a survival instinct?

Why do I have to go to a job that I hate, to make money to buy stuff that doesn't bring any fulfilment?
No seriously, I've gotta get out of the Gold Coast, I hate it here, it just sucks  :(
 

It’s called the evolutionary condition or the Entropy Tango;

Categorised (by me) as ; The angst and fear felt by a fast-evolving species whose technological innovations have outstripped their ability to cope with the resultant changes. These species are characterised by rapid inflationary growth in both science, industrial capabilities and population growth leading to a brief era of enlightenment, when underpinning rules of the universe are first discovered, followed by hope for a glorious future, (usually at the time flight becomes widespread) followed by gradual realisation of the mind numbing futility of it all, as resource depletion and environmental degradation, allied to the comprehension that instead of putting the best minds in control of the bus, we have relinquished the pedals to the greedy and stupid, as we couldn’t be arsed to pay attention to what was actually happening, as most of us belong in those categories.

This decline is further exacerbated by the resurgence of retarded world views, given too much latitude during their initial decline under the harsh spotlight of revealed scientific truth, by liberal softies, sure they would fade gently into obscurity.

Instead the institutionally insane who have nurtured whatever dark age mumbo jumbo they were incapable of discarding through fear of upsetting whatever nebulous vindictive precursor their forefathers had managed to mash together from their fears and hopes, ride back in to town with righteous vengeance in their twisted hearts.
Seeing "things", and rumours of "things", that are very definitely mentioned, or at least hinted at, if you squint and read correctly, in the book of iron age gibberish, that despite being preceded by much older and more interesting books of nonsense, won out due presumably to its very simplicity. The faithful will now, (notwithstanding that said deity is kind and all loving), nail you to some wood or chuck you in a fire should you point out they are talking bollocks, because science can’t get us out of this mess and in any case, as they keep saying, the signs are there.

Anyway, when all the hacking and slashing and burning is all over, the balance will have been restored, the fine minds will have been destroyed as it’s easier to blame the few than the many, and thought processes will have been put in place to make sure enlightenment is never reached again and whoever is left will sit chanting around fires still waiting for the deity to arrive and take the faithful to paradise, and heaven help any who grumble that he is late. The timeline between illumination and here about 3,000 yrs.

I think you instinctually realise this Dither, and get depressed.     
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on July 17, 2017, 09:39:36 PM
I think you instinctually realise this Dither, and get depressed.

Thanks Jura,
I do enjoy reading your rants so maybe I'm a little less depressed now.  :)

Actually, in my last post I was trying to point out original sin and its consequences, and yeah, I really want to move away from the Gold Coast and live in a more isolated part of Australia, either far north or costal Western Australia.
I just want to be where less people are and scale back our lives a bit.

My desire is to get back to fishing and the occasional surf (while I'm still young enough to paddle) and also encourage my wife to do her arty stuff (sketching and crafting) and get used to living poor.

 Anyway, now I've managed to make the discussion all about "ME" my premise is that original sin and pride is why the world is so stuffed and enlightenment and even Christianity cannot remove the stain (but Christ atones for it)
So to be found in Christ is the safest route, in fact its the only route so seek Him while you can.   

Oh yeah, and the world is flat 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 18, 2017, 03:04:35 AM
Oh yeah, and the world is flat

If the World were flat .... you would always have a direct line of sight to the Sun ... the Sun would never move so far away that you could not see it
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on July 18, 2017, 05:20:58 AM
The Sun would never move so far away that you could not see it

But the sun does exactly that because God has created it that way,
 
The Bible describes the sun and moon as having fixed circuits which revolve around a stationary earth plane, this description works perfectly well with a flat earth model.

Ps 19:6 Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end of them; And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on July 18, 2017, 10:41:22 AM
(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0185XX.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3236#p3236) know this first of all Ghost .. that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking .. following after their own lusts

It must feel kinda weird to know you're actually playing a part in the fulfillment of Bible prophecy ?

No weirder than being a part of the prophecy that says "and lo! The people did wake up with the rising of the sun from their slumber from which they slept"

People have been mocking your preferred fairy-tale for as long as it has existed. Look at the graffiti of Christ with a donkey-head etched into Roman plaster in about 200AD:
(http://www.challies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/5628494861-fcd6fe9c68-z.jpg)
"Alexamenos sebetai theon"

It seems that the mockers have been mocking with their mockery for at least 1,900 years. Either the 'last days' are a comically long period of time, or that prophecy ain't worth the gibberish it's written in with its writing.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 18, 2017, 11:43:21 AM
But the sun does exactly that because God has created it that way,

then explain why you do not always have a direct straight line of sight to the Sun
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 20, 2017, 02:58:13 PM
(after 3 days) then explain why you do not always have a direct straight line of sight to the Sun
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 22, 2017, 03:39:25 AM
okay I'm bored ...............

DNA is biological information sequence
your post above Dave ....... are the letters / spaces and punctuation - are they of category A or category B
A = random / mindless / no structured sequence (just where they happened to land) .. or
B = design / code / information / intent / writer-reader / speaker-listener / agenda driven / intelligence

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/0721-200XX.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3238#p3238) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk216/robbysphotos/zzz/20100723a.jpg) (http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk216/robbysphotos/zzz/th_20100927a01.jpg) (http://www.stephencmeyer.org/) .. .. DNA: the tiny code that's toppling evolution (http://www.ucg.org/science/dna-tiny-code-thats-toppling-evolution/)

PS: "Afterthought snore cheer carpenter wakeful rock mend support slow magic exciting ultra." < would not INSTRUCT the cell how to proliferate / maintain and even repair itself as we see in DNA

(http://dadmansabode.com/b/spkr.jpg).. Genesis 1:1 -- Creation: Believe It or Not (http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/90-209.mp3)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 22, 2017, 03:41:45 AM
IF THE EARTH IS FLAT .... then explain why you do not always have a direct straight line of sight to the Sun < No FErs gotta answer for this ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 22, 2017, 05:30:01 AM
IF THE EARTH IS FLAT .... then explain why you do not always have a direct straight line of sight to the Sun < No FErs gotta answer for this ?


I'm confused.
There is always a direct line of sight from sun to the surface of the Earth.  Round or Flat model.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 22, 2017, 12:18:12 PM
Maybe he means after sunset?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 22, 2017, 12:30:49 PM
Maybe he means after sunset?
The Sun never sets on Earth.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Screamer on July 22, 2017, 01:22:20 PM
IF THE EARTH IS FLAT .... then explain why you do not always have a direct straight line of sight to the Sun < No FErs gotta answer for this ?

They have answers. It is just that you don't like the answers. Flat Earthers have been explaining this for hundreds of years. Below is a link to an explanation from 1881.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za27.htm

How many more times are you going to ask the question hoping for a different response?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 22, 2017, 06:08:23 PM
FE explanations are the worst explanations.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: junker on July 22, 2017, 06:47:32 PM
IF THE EARTH IS FLAT .... then explain why you do not always have a direct straight line of sight to the Sun < No FErs gotta answer for this ?

Are you sure you're in the correct thread? Please try to stay on topic.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 22, 2017, 10:48:21 PM
yeah, I'm not getting much peace outta these "no-religion" folks ......
I went over there and read that crap (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za27.htm) .. < no wonder these FErs  are still in the freakn closet
they can't even explain this BS in their own words ....... tilt !!
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 23, 2017, 12:32:44 AM
yeah, I'm not getting much "peace" outta these "non-religion" folks ......
I went over there and read that crap (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za27.htm) .. < no wonder these FErs  are still in the freakn closet
they can't even explain this BS in their own words ....... tilt !!

Said the Christian to the Jew.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on July 23, 2017, 07:15:29 PM

The irony!
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 26, 2017, 03:16:11 PM
No Religion= Peace

Can someone here explain to me what the term "Jihad (http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html)" means ? and what "holy book" this term is attributed to ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 26, 2017, 03:25:34 PM
No Religion= Peace

Can someone here explain to me what the term "Jihad" means ? and what "holy book" this term is attributed to ?
Its the same thing as a holy crusade: someome decides to go to war against another group and uses religion to convince people to fight in the war.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 26, 2017, 03:34:18 PM
No Religion= Peace

Can someone here explain to me what the term "Jihad" means ? and what "holy book" this term is attributed to ?
Its the same thing as a holy crusade: someome decides to go to war against another group and uses religion to convince people to fight in the war.

and so what "holy book" is the term "crusade" attributed to ?
PS: still waiting for the "holy book" the term "Jihad (http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html)" is attributed to
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on July 26, 2017, 03:54:33 PM

If you have a point Bo, why not come right out with it, and try for once not to refer to that awful dadsnet thing, use your own words and spit it out.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 26, 2017, 03:56:40 PM
No Religion= Peace

Can someone here explain to me what the term "Jihad" means ? and what "holy book" this term is attributed to ?
Its the same thing as a holy crusade: someome decides to go to war against another group and uses religion to convince people to fight in the war.

and so what "holy book" is the term "crusade" attributed to ?
PS: still waiting for the "holy book" the term "Jihad" is attributed to
Oh hey, I'm wrong.

Jihad is actually Arabic for struggle, fight, battle.
http://www.freearabicdictionary.com/dictionary/search (http://www.freearabicdictionary.com/dictionary/search)

Book: Arabic Dictionary.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 26, 2017, 04:03:31 PM

Oh hey, I'm wrong.

Jihad is actually Arabic for struggle, fight, battle.
http://www.freearabicdictionary.com/dictionary/search (http://www.freearabicdictionary.com/dictionary/search)
Book: Arabic Dictionary.

Arabic for struggle ... and so what religion is exercising this term "Jihad (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2017)" at this present time ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 26, 2017, 05:39:17 PM
and try for once not to refer to that awful dadsnet (http://dadmansabode.com/) thing

yeah, I really don't correspond w/ those of clenched fists and grit teeth ..... later mam
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 26, 2017, 07:42:17 PM

Oh hey, I'm wrong.

Jihad is actually Arabic for struggle, fight, battle.
http://www.freearabicdictionary.com/dictionary/search (http://www.freearabicdictionary.com/dictionary/search)
Book: Arabic Dictionary.

Arabic for struggle ... and so what religion is exercising this term "Jihad (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2017)" at this present time ?
Technically none of them and all of them.

A religion is an idea and can't do anything itself.  The people who keep the idea alive, however, are struggling, battling, and fighting.  You're a man of faith, yes?  Would you say you're struggling in some way?  Like... struggling to get us to realize your point of view?

If yes, then you too are having Jihad.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 28, 2017, 04:09:16 PM
Technically none of them and all of them .. A religion is an idea and can't do anything itself. 
The people who keep the idea alive, however, are struggling, battling, and fighting.  You're a man of faith, yes? 
Would you say you're struggling in some way?  Like... struggling to get us to realize your point of view? .. If yes, then you too are having Jihad.

So if the Muslims are experiencing "Jihad (https://www.facebook.com/neveragaincanada/videos/711573892342141/)" Internally (personal inward struggle) .... why are they murdering people all over the planet (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2017) ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 28, 2017, 04:50:54 PM
Technically none of them and all of them .. A religion is an idea and can't do anything itself. 
The people who keep the idea alive, however, are struggling, battling, and fighting.  You're a man of faith, yes? 
Would you say you're struggling in some way?  Like... struggling to get us to realize your point of view? .. If yes, then you too are having Jihad.

So if the Muslims are experiencing "Jihad (https://www.facebook.com/neveragaincanada/videos/711573892342141/)" Internally (personal inward struggle) .... why are they murdering people all over the planet (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2017) ?


Clearly you need to watch more news.
Humans kill other humans all the time.  Religion has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 28, 2017, 05:35:51 PM
Clearly you need to watch more news. Humans kill other humans (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2017) all the time. 
Religion has nothing to do with it.

Clearly you need to educate yourself (http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html) concerning the issue of Jihad as it pertains to the Muslim religion
the Satanic Inspired Religion has everything to do with it

==========================================
2017.07.28   Nigeria   Meme   1   0   Four suicide bombers manage to kill one other person.
2017.07.28   Iraq   Baghdadi   6   0   A suicide bomber exterminates two parents and their four children.
2017.07.28   Germany   Hamburg   1   4   A man yelling praises to Allah rushes into a supermarket and stabs five people, one of whom dies.
2017.07.27   Burkina Faso   Takeo   3   0   Three family members are gunned down by Jihadists.
2017.07.27   Iraq   Amiriyat al-Somoud   1   1   One other person is killed by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2017.07.27   Iraq   Binikani   2   3   Two women are obliterated by Islamic State shrapnel.
2017.07.26   Iraq   Kakai Kurds   4   4   Two woman are among four family members murdered in cold blood by the Islamic State.
2017.07.26   Iraq   Sinjar   1   0   A Yazidi is killed by an ISIS bomb planted in his home.
2017.07.26   Pakistan   Shabqadar   1   0   A religious scholar is shot dead by Islamic rivals outside a mosque.
2017.07.26   India   Yaripora   1   0   An off-duty cop is gunned down by Muslim terrorists.
2017.07.26   Cameroon   Sagme   2   3   A Boko Haram attack on a town leaves two dead.
2017.07.25   Mali   Doro   2   0   A Jihadi bomb blast claims two lives.
2017.07.25   Iraq   Tal Afar   10   0   Ten people are burned alive for attempting to flee the caliphate.
2017.07.25   Iraq   Mosul   37   0   Thirty-seven bodies, mostly women and children, are found executed by ISIS.
2017.07.25   Afghanistan   Karzali   26   13   Armed fundamentalists overrun a local military base, killing at least two dozen Afghans.
2017.07.25   Iraq   Mosul   4   0   Islamic State members attack a market, killing four guards.
2017.07.25   Mali   Menaka   4   0   A child and three others, some elderly, are slaughtered by Jihadists.
2017.07.25   Nigeria   Barno Yasu   48   10   Islamists ambush an oil exploration team, killing nearly fifty guards, drivers and civilians.

............................. etc etc etc (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2017)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 28, 2017, 06:06:34 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States


I fail to see your point.  Humans kill each other.  Claiming the set dressing is the source of the desire to kill is pointless as there are millions of examples of violence not linked to any religion.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 28, 2017, 06:27:41 PM
No Religion= Peace

Can someone here explain to me what the term "Jihad" means ? and what "holy book" this term is attributed to ?
Its the same thing as a holy crusade: someome decides to go to war against another group and uses religion to convince people to fight in the war.

well .... we see how the term "Jihad" gets applied to Islam < Obvious ....
what would be the equivalent term that gets applied to Christianity producing the same affect ? as in "holy crusade" .... is holy crusade mentioned in the Christian New Testament ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 28, 2017, 07:08:02 PM
there are millions of examples of violence not linked to any religion

I agree .... so then how does "no Religion"= Peace ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 28, 2017, 07:56:16 PM
there are millions of examples of violence not linked to any religion

I agree .... so then how does "no Religion"= Peace ?


It does not. Nor have I ever stated it does.


You are the one stating that peace (or more peaceful) would be achived with the elimination on one religion.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 28, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
there are millions of examples of violence not linked to any religion

I agree .... so then how does "no Religion"= Peace ?


It does not. Nor have I ever stated it does.


You are the one stating that peace (or more peaceful) would be achived with the elimination on one religion.

No ..... I'm just talking to the thread topic ...... "No Religion= Peace"
ALL are "Religious" even the "no-Religion" are religious .... and a World running from God (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3160#p3160) will never know peace (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=729#p729)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 31, 2017, 01:20:06 PM
So tell me Atheists (No Religion) / Flat Earth and like minded Folks ..... what is the Religion that North Korea is threatening war in the name of ?
=================================================

* America and Japan Vow to take ‘all necessary measures’ to protect allies from North Korea (http://endtimeheadlines.org/2017/07/america-japan-vow-take-necessary-measures-protect-allies-north-korea/)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 31, 2017, 03:27:29 PM
Why are you trying to get most people on this forum to debate with you when most of us agree with you that no-religion does not equal peace?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on July 31, 2017, 03:32:57 PM


I just think he hasn’t read what we put, we’re all sinners an he’s gonna preach.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 31, 2017, 03:36:54 PM
I just think he hasn’t read what we put, we’re all sinners an he’s gonna preach.

Really ?? .... where did you get that from ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on July 31, 2017, 03:57:00 PM
Why are you trying to get most people on this forum to debate with you when most of us agree with you that no-religion does not equal peace?

Pfft !! ... well then let those who disagree w/ me come debate .. ie: the instigator of this thread (Nightlover261) ..... GOSH !! :)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on July 31, 2017, 04:19:52 PM
Why are you trying to get most people on this forum to debate with you when most of us agree with you that no-religion does not equal peace?

Pfft !! ... well then let those who disagree w/ me come debate .. ie: the instigator of this thread (Nightlover261) ..... GOSH !! :)


Who hasn't posted since his first three on his first day over a month ago.


So...probably not coming back.

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on July 31, 2017, 11:45:59 PM
Who said North Korea was doing anything in the name of a religion? Just you?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 01, 2017, 02:21:46 AM
Who said North Korea was doing anything in the name of a religion? Just you?

oh, that would be atheism (http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/clarion-call/56735-why-atheists-are-fools) (No Religion) Threatening the world with death and destruction .... checkmate

(http://endtimeheadlines.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/borders-2099218_1280-260x146.png) (https://www.google.com/search?q=north+korea+threatens+war&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS710US710&oq=north+korea+threatens+war&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.10930j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on August 01, 2017, 07:22:43 AM
You do realise that not only were you playing against yourself, but you barely understand the rules of the game. (queue’ smug self-delusional post with allied link to hideous person quoting crap from dead Jewish people)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 01, 2017, 08:39:11 PM
Now HERE Ladies and gentlemen is a "Religion" (ideology/mindset) that does NOT = Peace

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0801XX.jpg) .. The Truth About Islam (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3240#p3240)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on August 02, 2017, 07:11:20 PM
Pushing your post back to the top of the forum doesn't make it more worthy of responding to.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on August 03, 2017, 12:21:29 PM
Just popin' in to say hi  :)
How's everything going in the peaceful religious discussion thread?

I won't stay long (actually this thread kind of scares me) but I will make the point that it seems to me that some of the people who control the Round Earth conspiracy are also working towards creating a war between the three major monotheistic religions and this war may bring about a world peace of sorts. Even being an atheist won't help you because they hate you guys too, so everyone's going down together.

The only way out of it will be to pledge allegiance to their messiah, whoever that may be.

Many Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Jews, Agnostics, Dudes who can't beat Rom the vacuous spider (what is it with that level) and numerous others who don't pledge their allegiance to the new messiah are pretty much going to get beheaded, at least that's what I'm thinking this week anyway.

And before all that happens, we are going to have yet another enormous war, so lets try not to speed up the process by hating all the people whose opinions differ from ours, and for us who are Christians, yes, lets preach the gospel being careful to do this in love and not hate, because Christ did not come to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.   

So all of us on this thread are probably going to die, actually, we are definitely going to die.
I just hope we are all in nursing homes by the time all this stuff starts occurring, but unfortunately, its looking less likely with every week that goes by so here's looking at you kids.

Peace Bros  :D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OsLcCYf0OLA
 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on August 03, 2017, 01:06:40 PM
It will bring peace in a 1984 sort of way.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 03, 2017, 02:14:18 PM
It will bring peace in a 1984 sort of way.

Actually more of a Revelation 6 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=726#p726) sort of way .... Thanks for your input Dither
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on August 03, 2017, 02:40:36 PM
Now HERE Ladies and gentlemen is a "Religion" (ideology/mindset) that does NOT = Peace

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0801XX.jpg) .. The Truth About Islam (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3240#p3240)

There should be a salutary lesson for the likes of yourself here, but I’m guessing you will not get it.

From the late 8th century through to the arrival of the Mongol hordes in the 1200’s  the Islamic world was one of innovation, in science, maths, engineering, medicine, philosophy etc, based on the Koranic message  “The scholar’s ink is more sacred than the blood of martyrs”, the setting up of The House Of Wisdom in Baghdad and the translation of Greek, Egyptian, Hebrew, Persian works into Arabic at a time when the Holy Roman empire was busily supressing what they saw as pagan schools of thought, meant that at these times the cradle of civilisation, was the middle east. It was the Islamic Golden Age.

To get from there, to the poison that is the IS version of Islam, you need a couple of things and a bit of time. If you want to dent the confidence of a civilisation, then having the Mongols rock up and show you that sophistication and learning means squat, when 120,000 smelly pony riders fielding 20,000 Chinese siege engineers, take your cities apart and leave just piles of heads. Then you need the doomsayers and conservative elements to preach we told you so, and this is our punishment for progression, let’s turn our backs on modernisation and go back to the stoning’s, as there’s nothing like blaming the ones you envy to placate a god that isn’t really there.

Like I said, I will leave you to join the dots as to how this mirrors Christianity’s current state, but just remember. I told you so!
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 03, 2017, 03:39:46 PM
Now HERE Ladies and gentlemen is a "Religion" (ideology/mindset) that does NOT = Peace

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0801XX.jpg) .. The Truth About Islam (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3240#p3240)

There should be a salutary lesson fo' tha likez of yo ass here yo, but I’m guessin yo big-ass booty is ghon not git dat shit ... From tha late 8th century all up in ta tha arrival of tha Mongol hordes up in tha 1200’s  tha Islamic ghetto was one of innovation up in science maths, engineering medicine philosophy etc based on tha Koranic message "Da scholar’s ink is mo' sacred than tha blood of martyrs" tha settin up of Da Doggy Den Of Wisdom up in Baghdad n' tha translation of Greek Egyptian Hebrew Persian works tha fuck into Arabic at a time when tha Holy Roman empire was busily supressin what tha fuck they saw as pagan schoolz of thought, meant dat at these times tha cradle of civilisation, was tha middle eastside. Dat shiznit was tha Islamic Golden Age.

To git from there, ta tha poison dat is tha IS version of Islam, you need a cold-ass lil couple thangs n' a lil' bit of time. If you wanna dent tha confidence of a cold-ass lil civilisation, then havin tha Mongols rock up n' show you dat sophistication n' peepin' means squat, when 120,000 smelly pony ridaz fieldin 20,000 Chinese siege engineers, take yo' ghettos apart n' leave just pilez of heads. Then you need tha doomsayers n' conservatizzle elements ta preach we holla'd at you so, n' dis is our punishment fo' progression, let’s turn our backs on modernisation n' go back ta tha stoning’s, as there’s not a god damn thang like blamin tha ones you envy ta placate a god dat aint straight-up there.

Like I holla'd, I'ma leave you ta join tha dots as ta how tha fuck dis mirrors Christianity’s current state yo, but just remember n' shit. I holla'd at you so!

So the tell me .... does this (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx) inspire this (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2017) ?? Oh surely not .. pfft !! .. but I’m guessing you will not get it.

Satan's children indeed have a fellowship and they WILL circle their wagons

Maybe you should display the Christian New Testament (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=37#p37) verses in order to display how this current Islamic Jihad (https://www.google.com/search?q=islamic+jihad&oq=islamic+jihad&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j0l4.5551j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) mirrors (inspires) Christianity’s current (so-called "jihadic") state .... ya think ?
PS: Roman Catholicism (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=768#p768) is not Biblical Christianity
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on August 03, 2017, 09:22:07 PM

Seeing as you seem unable to put a coherent arguement forward with out links, and seeing as I for one, am unwilling to follow them, I will leave it there. If you should ever wish to discuss things properly, pop back.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 04, 2017, 03:30:30 AM
(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-0803-200XX.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3242#p3242) (http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/hm-0803XX.jpg) (http://www.str.org/blog/about-those-crusades%E2%80%A6#.WYPl6ojyuUm) (http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/hm-0804XX.jpg) (http://www.thearma.org/essays/Crusades.htm#.WYPpWYjyuUm) ... yeah, you didn't get it
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on August 04, 2017, 11:45:38 AM
You're the shittiest proselytizer ever.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on August 07, 2017, 07:41:39 AM
You're the shittiest proselytizer ever.

Whoah whoah whoah, that's a fairly heavy accusation. I'm not sure that he's even the shittiest proselytizer we've had on this site.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on August 07, 2017, 10:29:55 AM

He’s pretty dire though, apart from the pointless jibe at the end of his last post, the whole of his argument was someone else’s, and he expects to be taken seriously? 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 07, 2017, 03:37:38 PM
Well let's see now .... today, operating from the basic base Ideology of atheism (N Korea) threatening the world (http://endtimeheadlines.org/2017/08/north-korea-vows-attack-america-kim-jong-un-demands-justice-donald-trump/) w/ death and destruction ....
and the "religious" ideology of Islam (Jihad < according to the Quran) threatening World (https://www.google.com/search?q=angry+muslims&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=UFvIU8LeMtPF8QHMxIGQDg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1138&bih=529) domination / death and destruction until total submission to Allah (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx) ... hmmmm
Atheism (https://carm.org/atheism) and Islam (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=8&verse=12) indeed a couple of Satanic blood brothers .... and they WILL circle their wagons, or at least until they are the only ones left
No Religion and Satanic False Religion= Peace ?? < not so much
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on August 07, 2017, 06:57:28 PM
It's fascinating how comfortable you are with just concocting reality to suit your narrative. Are all your brethren like this? Or are they less or more reasonable than you?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 08, 2017, 03:45:29 AM
(http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2017/08/08/228/128/694940094001_5534747031001_5534695829001-vs.jpg) ... Dawkins' radio event canceled due to Islam insult  (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5534695829001/)

Interesting to see who the hard-core-left defends and wraps its arms around
======================

Richard Dawkins had had appearances canceled because of 'abusive speech against Islam'
but he has never been de-platformed for his frequent criticism of Christianity
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on August 08, 2017, 12:00:49 PM
As a representative of the hard-core-left, I can say that I really don't care, Dawkins hasn't been relevant in years and private radio stations aren't obliged to give anyone a platform.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Pete Svarrior on August 08, 2017, 12:06:23 PM
As a representative of the hard-core-left, I can say that I really don't care
"As a representative of the group that Dawkins upsets most, I am not troubled by him being censored by my group."

Yeah, you're basically confirming Boodidlie's point here.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on August 08, 2017, 04:17:30 PM
As a representative of the hard-core-left, I can say that I really don't care, Dawkins hasn't been relevant in years and private radio stations aren't obliged to give anyone a platform.

It's just strange and hypocritical that Dawkins would get no-platforms for this. It's almost like they had no idea who Dawkins was before booking him to speak.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: honk on August 08, 2017, 05:35:39 PM
As a representative of the hard-core-left, I can say that I really don't care, Dawkins hasn't been relevant in years and private radio stations aren't obliged to give anyone a platform.

I think you may have misunderstood his point. Boodidlie seems to have been talking about Islam being the one whom "the hard-core-left defends and wraps its arms around," as indicated by criticism of that religion leading to canceled platforms while criticism of Christianity does not. That being said, though, this doesn't come entirely down to liberal outrage somehow being more influential than conservative outrage. A major reason why the media is hesitant to say or do anything that might even be seen as critical of Islam is their fear of being attacked by angry Muslims.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 08, 2017, 06:22:35 PM
God forbid them angry Muslims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAmijQ-Uo0&mode=related&search=

look what happened when the Islamic grand poo pa got the report that his phone rate had risen .... omG !!
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on August 08, 2017, 08:33:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbgmWSI3axM

Look what happened when the common Christian woman takes a plane... O... M... G...
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 08, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
lol .. hard-core leftist Rama Set < I knew this was you / lol ... at Trumps inauguration

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3AbbF-MpdY
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Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on August 08, 2017, 10:18:24 PM
Because I am not a fan of religious belief, I am a hard-core leftist? You aren't doing much to dispel your irrational reputation.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on August 09, 2017, 08:17:46 AM
As a representative of the hard-core-left, I can say that I really don't care
"As a representative of the group that Dawkins upsets most, I am not troubled by him being censored by my group."

Yeah, you're basically confirming Boodidlie's point here.

I'm not troubled by a local radio station rescinding their invitation to talk to anyone. It would be censorship if they had been forced to withdraw their invitation, that doesn't seem to be what happened here.

As a representative of the hard-core-left, I can say that I really don't care, Dawkins hasn't been relevant in years and private radio stations aren't obliged to give anyone a platform.

It's just strange and hypocritical that Dawkins would get no-platforms for this. It's almost like they had no idea who Dawkins was before booking him to speak.

Maybe not, most people just know Dawkins as 'that famous atheist guy' I'm guessing that when the studio directors were made aware of some of his comments, they decided that he wasn't worth the hassle and dropped him.

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 09, 2017, 02:23:51 PM
Because I am not a fan of religious belief, I am a hard-core leftist? You aren't doing much to dispel your irrational reputation.

Oh Rama ... where is your sense of humor ...
btw: just because a woman mentions God does not automatically mean that she is Christian ...
the Demons believe in God and they tremble

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3AbbF-MpdY
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Have a great day :)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on August 09, 2017, 02:54:06 PM
Maybe not, most people just know Dawkins as 'that famous atheist guy' I'm guessing that when the studio directors were made aware of some of his comments, they decided that he wasn't worth the hassle and dropped him.

If that is the case, then their booker did a shitty job.  Dawkins has been at this for quite some time.  It is funny that they dropped him specifically for disparaging Islam and not any of the other religions he criticizes. 

Oh Rama ... where is your sense of humor ...

With the funny people.

Quote
btw: just because a woman mentions God does not automatically mean that she is Christian ...
the Demons believe in God and they tremble

Are you claiming she is a demon?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 09, 2017, 03:01:33 PM
Are you claiming she is a demon?

not at all .. a person is not a demon, however a person can be influenced by a demon < read a Bible (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=701#p701) :)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on August 09, 2017, 03:04:06 PM
Are you claiming she is a demon?

not at all .. a person is not a demon, however a person can be influenced by a demon < read a Bible (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=701#p701) :)

Are you claiming she is influenced by a demon?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 09, 2017, 03:25:43 PM
Are you claiming she is influenced by a demon?

not at all ... probably influenced by the fear of flying

although God does not give us (Christians) the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind ... 2 Timothy 1:7 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=53#p53)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on August 09, 2017, 03:40:21 PM
Are you claiming she is influenced by a demon?

not at all ... probably influenced by the fear of flying

although God does not give us (Christians) the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind ... 2 Timothy 1:7 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=53#p53)
Fear is part of most animals.  Thus, God must have given it to us as part of our biology.  And it makes sense.  Without fear, we'd all die alot faster.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 09, 2017, 03:44:34 PM
Fear is part of most animals. 
Thus, God must have given it to us as part of our biology.  And it makes sense.  Without fear, we'd all die alot faster.

Indeed, there is a healthy fear and an unhealthy fear ....
The fear of the LORD (awesome respect) is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding ... Proverbs 9:10

Show me a man who says: "I know not the meaning of fear",  and I'll show you an idiot who gets beat up a lot

Fear is part of most animals .. Thus, God must have given it to us as .....

sorry, but man (as opposed to animals) is made in the image of God .... but yes, fear spans all species
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on August 09, 2017, 04:01:09 PM
Fear is part of most animals. 
Thus, God must have given it to us as part of our biology.  And it makes sense.  Without fear, we'd all die alot faster.

Indeed, there is a healthy fear and an unhealthy fear ....
The fear of the LORD (awesome respect) is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding ... Proverbs 9:10

Show me a man who says: "I know not the meaning of fear",  and I'll show you an idiot who gets beat up a lot

Fear is part of most animals .. Thus, God must have given it to us as .....

sorry, but man (as opposed to animals) is made in the image of God .... but yes, fear spans all species

Thus, god gave us fear.  Which contradicts your quote above.

Also, fear is not respect, FYI.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 09, 2017, 04:06:54 PM
Thus, god gave us fear.  Which contradicts your quote above. Also, fear is not respect, FYI.

some education (http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/tlw_fear.html) for you :)

Romans 03 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=616#p616):13 .. their throat is an open grave .. with their tongues they keep deceiving .. the poison of asps is under their lips
03:14 .. whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness
03:15 .. their feet are swift to shed blood
03:16 .. destruction and misery are in their paths
03:17 .. and the path of peace they have not known
03:18 .. there is no fear of God before their eyes

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on August 09, 2017, 04:16:31 PM
Thus, god gave us fear.  Which contradicts your quote above. Also, fear is not respect, FYI.

some education (http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/tlw_fear.html) for you :)

Romans 03 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=616#p616):13 .. their throat is an open grave .. with their tongues they keep deceiving .. the poison of asps is under their lips
03:14 .. whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness
03:15 .. their feet are swift to shed blood
03:16 .. destruction and misery are in their paths
03:17 .. and the path of peace they have not known
03:18 .. there is no fear of God before their eyes


Grammar nazi in hebrew is also irrelevant.
And again, fear is not respect.  You have not refuted that.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on August 09, 2017, 04:20:44 PM
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If that is the case, then their booker did a shitty job.


Yup, inviting people then withdrawing that invitation is generally a crappy thing to do, but in the grand scheme of things its nothing to get too bent out of shape over.

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It is funny that they dropped him specifically for disparaging Islam and not any of the other religions he criticizes.


It might be argued that, as the majority religion in the US, Christianity can afford to take it, whereas a minority faith who regularly receive persecution and abuse for their belief could probably be spared Dawkins' increasingly unhinged babblings.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 09, 2017, 04:26:09 PM
And again, fear is not respect.  You have not refuted that.

Indeed I have (http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/tlw_fear.html)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on August 09, 2017, 05:33:46 PM
And again, fear is not respect.  You have not refuted that.

Indeed I have (http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/tlw_fear.html)

Posting the same link in which someone, in their interpretation, justifies why a word in Hebrew means both reverence and fear does not make you right.
First off, Hebrew is not English and we are using English.
Secondly, the word means "to flow out of the gut" which covers a wide range of things such as fear, nervousness, anxiety, etc... which is what you feel when you meet someone you revere.  Reverence does not flow from the gut, but from the heart.

Third, everything he wrote is total BS anyway.

His entire basis is ירא(yare) meaning the same thing despite two passages that he claims show them meaning different things.

Genesis 3:10
Deuteronomy 6:13

However, according to Bible hub:
http://biblehub.com/text/deuteronomy/6-13.htm

It means fear, not respect.
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Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 09, 2017, 05:47:15 PM
Postin tha same link up in which one of mah thugs, up in they interpretation, justifies why a word up in Hebrew means both reverence n' fear do not make you right. First off, Hebrew aint Gangsta n' we is rockin Gangsta. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. Secondly, tha word means "to flow outta tha gut" which covers a wide range of thangs like fuckin fear, nervousness, anxiety, etc... which is what tha fuck you feel when you hook up one of mah thugs you revere, so peek-a-boo, clear tha way, I be comin' thru fo'sho.  Reverence do not flow from tha gut yo, but from tha ass. Third, every last muthafuckin thang da thug freestyled is total BS anyway yo. His entire basis is (yare) meanin tha same thang despite two passages dat his schmoooove ass fronts show dem meanin different thangs. Well shiiiit, it means fear, not respect.

.............. w h a t e v e r

Romans 3:18  "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon (http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/phobos.html)
Strong's Number: 5401   Browse Lexicon
Original Word   Word Origin
foboß   from a primary phebomai (to be put in fear)
Transliterated Word   TDNT Entry
Phobos   9:189,1272
Phonetic Spelling   Parts of Speech
fob'-os    Noun Masculine
Definition:
1.fear, dread, terror, that which strikes terror
2. reverence for one's husband
NAS Word Usage - Total: 45
cause of fear 1, fear 37, fearful 1, fears 1, intimidation 1,
respect 1, respectful 1, reverence 1, sense of awe 1
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Definition of fear
transitive verb
1
archaic :  frighten
2
archaic :  to feel fear in (oneself)
3
to have a reverential awe of fear God
4
:  to be afraid of :  expect with alarm fear the worst
intransitive verb
:  to be afraid or apprehensive feared for their lives feared to go out at night
fearer noun
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: honk on August 09, 2017, 06:43:54 PM
It might be argued that, as the majority religion in the US, Christianity can afford to take it, whereas a minority faith who regularly receive persecution and abuse for their belief could probably be spared Dawkins' increasingly unhinged babblings.

It's because Christians won't blow you up for criticizing their religion. Muslims will.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on August 09, 2017, 07:46:45 PM
Postin tha same link up in which one of mah thugs, up in they interpretation, justifies why a word up in Hebrew means both reverence n' fear do not make you right. First off, Hebrew aint Gangsta n' we is rockin Gangsta. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. Secondly, tha word means "to flow outta tha gut" which covers a wide range of thangs like fuckin fear, nervousness, anxiety, etc... which is what tha fuck you feel when you hook up one of mah thugs you revere, so peek-a-boo, clear tha way, I be comin' thru fo'sho.  Reverence do not flow from tha gut yo, but from tha ass. Third, every last muthafuckin thang da thug freestyled is total BS anyway yo. His entire basis is (yare) meanin tha same thang despite two passages dat his schmoooove ass fronts show dem meanin different thangs. Well shiiiit, it means fear, not respect.

.............. w h a t e v e r

Romans 3:18  "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon (http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/phobos.html)
Strong's Number: 5401   Browse Lexicon
Original Word   Word Origin
foboß   from a primary phebomai (to be put in fear)
Transliterated Word   TDNT Entry
Phobos   9:189,1272
Phonetic Spelling   Parts of Speech
fob'-os    Noun Masculine
Definition:
1.fear, dread, terror, that which strikes terror
2. reverence for one's husband
NAS Word Usage - Total: 45
cause of fear 1, fear 37, fearful 1, fears 1, intimidation 1,
respect 1, respectful 1, reverence 1, sense of awe 1
==================================
Definition of fear
transitive verb
1
archaic :  frighten
2
archaic :  to feel fear in (oneself)
3
to have a reverential awe of fear God
4
:  to be afraid of :  expect with alarm fear the worst
intransitive verb
:  to be afraid or apprehensive feared for their lives feared to go out at night
fearer noun
I like how you're just swapping languages randomly.

Also, I looked up Revere's entomology.  Fun stuff.  Like did you know it didn't exist until the 17th century?  Well after the bible was written.  It's from french, which got it from Latin which means "intense Fear".  Though I will admit, it also means respect and in awe of. (the root latin)
Which doesn't apply today BUT it does makes me wonder...
What society has Fear and Respect as the same word?  The answer, of course, is when you use fear to gain power or have others in awe.  Which isn't true respect.


But we could do this all day.  Point is, one can't be fearful of God and Respect God at the same time.  You are in awe because you are afraid of him and his power. 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on August 09, 2017, 08:14:04 PM

As Voltaire said “God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too afraid to laugh.”
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 09, 2017, 09:13:12 PM
As Voltaire said “God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too afraid to laugh.”

pfft !! ... God's Spirit lives IN me -- Jesus calls me his friend -- my sin is forgiven --
God gave me to his Son as a love gift from the foundation of the Earth (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=146#p146) --
I call God "Abba Father" (Daddy) and I will live in eternity in His presence

what does Voltaire have to offer ?? < not so much .... see: Atheism and arrogance (http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_arrogance)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on August 09, 2017, 09:58:05 PM

But you have to admire his spirit.

“Now, now my good man, this is no time to be making enemies."
(Voltaire on his deathbed in response to a priest asking him that he renounce Satan.)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on August 10, 2017, 03:44:51 AM
I'm sure Voliaire and the priest deserve eachother ..... The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood (http://dadmansabode.com/b/extra/80-264.mp3)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on August 10, 2017, 10:00:50 AM
It might be argued that, as the majority religion in the US, Christianity can afford to take it, whereas a minority faith who regularly receive persecution and abuse for their belief could probably be spared Dawkins' increasingly unhinged babblings.

It's because Christians won't blow you up for criticizing their religion. Muslims will.

I can't imagine that a tiny radio station in, where was it, Minnesota? Really fears the bomb-toting wrath of radical Islam, but even if they had, it's a risk/benefit analysis they did, decided to err on the side of caution, and decided not to host Dawkins, which is within their rights.

Is their hypothetical fear of many murderous Minnesotan Muslims rational? Probably not, since Dawkins has spoken on hundreds of radio stations without incident, but whoever said that fear is always rational?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on September 18, 2017, 02:43:15 PM

rl=http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/]Proof of the existence of God[/url]


Proof of nothing! The author doesn't even know the difference between Stalactites and Stalagmites

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on September 19, 2017, 01:01:22 PM

If I hand you a fake twenty dollar bill .... does that now mean that all twenty dollar bills are fake ?

No but all twenty one dollar bills are fake and that's what religions are.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: James on September 19, 2017, 10:46:12 PM
Seems to me that we are already doing it all without religion. If we are to say that the majority of conflict, both violent and political are religiously motivated, I think we are fooling ourselves. People may come in the name of some god, but greed and hunger make povery and war, religion is nothing more than an excuse. To fly a plane into a building may be one way, to get down and help someone regardless is another. No matter what we think about this or that religious group, the choice and the decision to work for the common good is still ours. And, may I suggest, there are more people in this world that prefer working towards the common good than to viloence. Religeous violence is unfortunately real, but so is our choice to do what is humane. I have a choice and a decision to make each day, I make it and act accordingly knowing full well that I may meet opposition, even agressive opposition, but I still have a choice. If I have no faith in a divine being, which seems to be more an more popular these days, then I am totally responsible for my actions as complete master of my own destiny. I therefore choose to either go peacibly or violently and use any reason or excuse to justify either position.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on September 19, 2017, 11:23:16 PM

If I hand you a fake twenty dollar bill .... does that now mean that all twenty dollar bills are fake ?

No but all twenty one dollar bills are fake and that's what religions are.

that's why I don't look at "religion" .... I look at Jesus Christ and learn of him

(http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/0713-200.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3237#p3237)

It was "religion" that hung Jesus on a Cross (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3158#p3158)




..
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on September 20, 2017, 08:04:53 AM

If I hand you a fake twenty dollar bill .... does that now mean that all twenty dollar bills are fake ?

No but all twenty one dollar bills are fake and that's what religions are.

that's why I don't look at "religion" .... I look at Jesus Christ and learn of him

Now that's an interesting response Boodidlie, do we agree then that "religion" is not necessary to have a relationship with "god"?

I see all religion as man worshipping it's own ideals (hence why C of E changed position on divorce, homosexuality etc for example). Religion is an obvious tool of oppression used by the rich to control the poor. Also some good charity are done in the name of religion to be objective however..........

The Bible IS religion, it was written hundreds of years after the events it describes and is full of contradiction.  It describes a god of genocide, infanticide, jealousy, wrath etc. If you want to have a relationship with Jesus surely that would be possible by letting him into your heart and mind and can be done without paying any attention the bible?

The bible and other religious texts are the real issue here. Passages can be cherry picked to justify any position anyone wants to take; You want women as 2nd class humans? Want to murder homosexuals? Want to wipe out entire nations? Its all there in the religious texts to back you up as being RIGHT to do so

In your personal relationship with Jesus though is he happy for any of the above to occur?

Really interested to hear your views
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on September 20, 2017, 10:43:26 AM
The bible and other religious texts are the real issue here.
Passages can be cherry picked to justify any position.

Really interested to hear your views

Hi again D.A.  :)

The Bible is pretty clear on what God's requirements for salvation are.

Don't forget that Jesus is the word of God made flesh, and when Jesus was here on earth He often referred to the fact that He was fulfilling all things that were written of Him, (where were they written?) also, when Christ was tempted by the devil He simply repeated Bible verses (It is written) Now Jesus is our example and has promised that Heaven and earth will pass away but His word will not pass away, so the bible is pretty darn important to Christians as we are to follow Christ and not our own subjective sense of what God is or should be.

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on September 20, 2017, 11:02:40 AM
the bible is pretty darn important to Christians as we are to follow Christ and not our own subjective sense of what God is or should be.

Hi Dither :)

I am struggling here; If someone has a relationship with Jesus then their views are not subjective are they? I would think that by letting Jesus into ones heart Jesus would guide one and that's the point of it all? By still needing the Bible to refer to I think it sounds like just knowing Jesus isn't enough?

Do you mind if I ask you if you believe in the literal truth of the bible i.e. if it is written that "X" happened then it must have or do you feel the Bible is open to interpretation's such as no we don't think that Noah's arc is a factual true description of the events of the flood but more a symbolic idea to make a point?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on September 20, 2017, 11:13:36 AM
To know Jesus you must read what he said and did.
What he said and did is recorded in the bible.
The bible was written by a bunch of people, edited, and composed into a book by another group of people hundreds of years after said events occurred.  Christians created the bible in the image they wanted, not the image of Jesus.  To know Jesus, truly, you must have lived with him over 2,000 years ago.  There is literally no other way.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on September 20, 2017, 01:34:44 PM
To know Jesus you must read what he said and did.
What he said and did is recorded in the bible.
The bible was written by a bunch of people, edited, and composed into a book by another group of people hundreds of years after said events occurred.  Christians created the bible in the image they wanted, not the image of Jesus.  To know Jesus, truly, you must have lived with him over 2,000 years ago.  There is literally no other way.

Pretty sure Christians believe Jesus is still with us now, the holy trinity of God the father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit teaches that. The whole message of Christianity is that Jesus is the light and the way: "I AM the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes unto the Father, but by me." (John 14). I think your answer mocks me Lord Dave ???
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on September 20, 2017, 01:34:57 PM
To know Jesus, truly, you must have lived with him over 2,000 years ago.  There is literally no other way.

Um, yes there is ......

(Jesus) but now I come to you (Father) .. and these things I speak in the world so that they may have my joy made full in themselves .. I have given them your word .. and the world has hated them .. because they are not of the world .. even as I am not of the world .. I do not ask you to take them out of the world .. but to keep them from the evil one .. they are not of the world .. even as I am not of the world .. sanctify them in the truth .. your word is truth .. as you sent me into the world .. I also have sent them into the world .. for their sakes I sanctify myself .. that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth .. I do not ask on behalf of these (Apostles) alone ..
but for those (us today) also who believe in me through their (Apostles) word < [ the writings of the Apostles ] .. that they may all be one .. even as you .. father .. are in me and I in you .. that they also may be in us .. so that the world may believe that you sent me ......... John 17:13-21 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=146#p146)

(http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/3112.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3112#p3112)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on September 20, 2017, 02:26:54 PM
You both literally just used bible quotes to prove bible quotes are valid....

Do you not see how foolish that is? 

Ok, here's something:
How do you know what was written is true?  Do you have the original writings from John or Jesus or whoever?  Or are you, again, reading from a book that has been edited (with things omitted)?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on September 20, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
a book that has been edited / things omitted < please explain

(http://dadmansabode.com/m/macarthur/3106.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3106#p3106)

PS: .... things omitted ?? lol ....... and there are also many other things which Jesus did ..
which if they were written in detail .. I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written .... John 21:25 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=150#p150)
you should be more concerned about the things NOT "omitted"
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on September 20, 2017, 04:50:44 PM
You both literally just used bible quotes to prove bible quotes are valid....
Do you not see how foolish that is? 

You're right Dave, and God even admits it.

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 1 Cor 1:21


 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: honk on September 20, 2017, 05:58:40 PM
The Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on September 20, 2017, 06:56:09 PM
.................. come to me
 
Jesus' personal invitation .. part 1 of 2 .. Recorded Oct 04 1981 (http://dadmansabode.com/b/spekr.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/b/01/011104.mp3)

Matthew 11:25 .. at that time .. Jesus said .. I praise you .. father .. Lord of heaven and earth ..
............. that you have hidden these things from the "wise and intelligent" and have revealed them to infants
11:26 .. yes .. father .. for this way was well-pleasing in your sight

Jesus' personal invitation .. part 2 of 2 .. Recorded Oct 04 1981 (http://dadmansabode.com/b/spekr.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/b/01/011105.mp3)

11:27 .. all things have been handed over to me by my father ..  and no one knows the son except the father ..
............. nor does anyone know the father except the son .. and anyone to whom the son wills to reveal him
11:28 .. come to me .. all who are weary and heavy-laden .. and I will give you rest
11:29 .. take my yoke upon you and learn from me .. for I am gentle and humble in heart .. and you will find rest for your souls
11:30 .. for my yoke is easy .. and my burden is light
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on September 21, 2017, 03:47:07 AM
The Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true.

True.

Christians believe the bible, and that's also why I'm a flat earther, because the bible is a flat earth book.
The bible is undoubtedly geocentric and FET is the best cosmology for geocentricism.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on September 21, 2017, 03:53:16 AM
Do you mind if I ask you if you believe in the literal truth of the bible

Yes I do,

And that's why I believe the earth is flat, but I just said that didn't I.

I have a better example, I was thinking of the Dylan Thomas forward to selected poems.
This is my answer to taking the bible at face value.

QUOTE:
I read somewhere of a shepherd who, when asked why he made, from within fairy rings, ritual observances to the moon to protect his flocks, replied: “I’d be a damn’ fool if I didn’t!”

Anyway, I was looking for this quote (I've always loved this quote)
and I came across this great article so if anyone's interested here it is.

https://perspectivesjournal.org/blog/2008/11/15/dylan-thomas-getting-one-big-thing-right/

Sorry for gabbing on...


Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on September 21, 2017, 10:11:55 AM
Do you mind if I ask you if you believe in the literal truth of the bible

Yes I do,

And that's why I believe the earth is flat, but I just said that didn't I.

Hi Dither, thanks for the response  :)

I guess that answers a lot then about why Christians are so happy! I just read the story of Noah and when taken literally it is surely proof of Gods great power. For Noah to travel to every nation on earth and collect a breeding pair of each animal, transport them all back to the arc, along with enough food to sustain them must have taken years! Just think about you now travelling to Africa and just bringing back a pair of Rhino's and enough vegetation to walk/sail them back home, it's amazing!

When we look at the billions of species of insect alone it's a staggering feat. Now take into account that some creatures live in extreme cold and others in extreme heat and yet God was able to provide suitable transport and accommodation for them all, and then add that carnivores would need their food animals to eat thus a lot of animals would have had to have been collected in greater quantities than just the pair.

Then there's the building of an enormous boat. Seriously huge to contain all the animals, the animals food (and the food animals food too). Some construction! The fact that it was done as well as travelling the entire planet accompanied by a huge collection of creatures means Noah must have been very quick! And then the tree's. The modern environment of the biblical area of the middle east is not thought to be vastly different to how it was 5,000 or so years ago. The sheer volume of wood required to make such a huge craft is almost as staggering as the number of creatures it held!

If God can help man achieve that then there really is no limit to what could be accomplished!
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on September 21, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
A disturbing new poll shows that a full 19 percent of (atheistic / pagan / Secular) college students think that it is acceptable to
use violence to disrupt a speaker who is saying "offensive and hurtful" things on campus ........... really ??

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-170921a.jpg) (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2017/09/19/not-okay-one-fifth-of-college-students-say-violence-n2383518)

Rather than violence, they should back their positions with reason and logic .... as most normal folks do ... ya think ??

trending toward One World Governance (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1666#p1666)
trending toward The Mark of the Beast (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1596#p1596)
trending toward False Teachers and False Christs (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2929#p2929)
event The Confirmation of the Covenant (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1981#p1981)
trending toward Apostate/false Christianity (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1512#p1512)
trending toward Persecution of Christians and Jews   (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1982#p1982)
trending toward Earthquakes / diseases and natural disasters (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1985#p1985)
trending toward Signs in the Heavens (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2955#p2955)
trending toward Rampant cultural / sexual perversion (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=750#p750)
event The building and commencement of a new Jewish Temple (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1510#p1510)
trending toward Wars and Rumors of Wars / violence will fill the Earth (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1342#p1342)
trending toward The Euphrates River War .... Revelation 9 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1984#p1984)
trending toward All Nations gathering against Israel (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1983#p1983)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on September 21, 2017, 09:03:54 PM
For Noah to travel to every nation on earth and collect a breeding pair of each animal, transport them all back to the arc, along with enough food to sustain them must have taken years!

There are Deluge (ARK) mythologies in many ancient cultures.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

Same thing with a domed flat earth, also in ancient cultures.

As for the Ark, God called the animals so no need to collect them, as for insects, everything that has the breath of life was destroyed so I'm guessing insects and fish don't count. I could go more into this but I think I'll stop now.
You won't convince a Christian who believes in YEC with those arguments because they have answers for them.

In some sense faith in God can seem irrational because no one can know everything.

But its way more irrational to believe that everything came from nothing. And scientists who deny God's existence are not trusting in empirical science because the Creation ""SCREAMS"" that God exists and they simply choose to ignore all evidence and believe a lie.
 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on September 21, 2017, 09:08:40 PM
^^^^^
(http://dadmansabode.com/b/BIBLE-IMAGE/0004-540X617.jpg) (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3270#p3270) ... you got that one right :)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on September 21, 2017, 09:23:32 PM
For Noah to travel to every nation on earth and collect a breeding pair of each animal, transport them all back to the arc, along with enough food to sustain them must have taken years!

There are Deluge (ARK) mythologies in many ancient cultures.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

Same thing with a domed flat earth, also in ancient cultures.

As for the Ark, God called the animals so no need to collect them, as for insects, everything that has the breath of life was destroyed so I'm guessing insects and fish don't count. I could go more into this but I think I'll stop now.
You won't convince a Christian who believes in YEC with those arguments because they have answers for them.

In some sense faith in God can seem irrational because no one can know everything.

But its way more irrational to believe that everything came from nothing. And scientists who deny God's existence are not trusting in empirical science because the Creation ""SCREAMS"" that God exists and they simply choose to ignore all evidence and believe a lie.

Thanks for your reply Dither

I never thought I could change a believers mind, I just appreciate how happy and at peace you could be from knowing that this event occurred. I envy you.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on September 21, 2017, 09:27:26 PM
A disturbing new poll shows that a full 19 percent of (atheistic / pagan / Secular) college students think that it is acceptable to
use violence to disrupt a speaker who is saying "offensive and hurtful" things on campus ........... really ??

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/wk-170921a.jpg) (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2017/09/19/not-okay-one-fifth-of-college-students-say-violence-n2383518)

Rather than violence, they should back their positions with reason and logic .... as most normal folks do ... ya think ??

trending toward One World Governance (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1666#p1666)
trending toward The Mark of the Beast (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1596#p1596)
trending toward False Teachers and False Christs (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2929#p2929)
event The Confirmation of the Covenant (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1981#p1981)
trending toward Apostate/false Christianity (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1512#p1512)
trending toward Persecution of Christians and Jews   (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1982#p1982)
trending toward Earthquakes / diseases and natural disasters (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1985#p1985)
trending toward Signs in the Heavens (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2955#p2955)
trending toward Rampant cultural / sexual perversion (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=750#p750)
event The building and commencement of a new Jewish Temple (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1510#p1510)
trending toward Wars and Rumors of Wars / violence will fill the Earth (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1342#p1342)
trending toward The Euphrates River War .... Revelation 9 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1984#p1984)
trending toward All Nations gathering against Israel (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1983#p1983)

Dear Boodidlie

I am sorry but I don't understand what your posts are contributing here to my questions so I assume you are not posting in response to me. I hope you are at peace
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on September 21, 2017, 11:00:24 PM
I assume you are not posting in response to me ... you are correct, I'm not ...... and indeed that peace with God brings the peace of God (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58#p58)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on September 22, 2017, 12:34:44 AM
I just appreciate how happy and at peace you could be from knowing that this event occurred. I envy you.

Thanks again DA
I'm the last person you should be envious of though.

You seem to be suggesting that ignorance is bliss for Christians, this isn't true.
There's plenty of fears and sorrows in this life, I just yelled at one of my workmates and had to apologise.
I'm not that nice a guy, I can be a pretty rude stubborn bastard actually, (not that peaceful)

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/if-you-don-t-hate-your-father-you-cannot-be-my-disciple

Thanks anyway for all the nice complements. :)



 

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on September 22, 2017, 07:51:32 AM
I just appreciate how happy and at peace you could be from knowing that this event occurred. I envy you.

Thanks again DA
I'm the last person you should be envious of though.

You seem to be suggesting that ignorance is bliss for Christians, this isn't true.


Hi Dither

Sorry no I  didn't mean ignorance is bliss for you at all, I don't see how you have ignorance at all as you have answered all my questions, I am the one who is asking after all thus if anyone has ignorance it is me!

I mean envious as you have the knowledge/faith of the God who makes these miracles happen which must be safe feeling.

Thanks for your help with my ignorance  :)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 05, 2017, 04:21:46 AM
here we go again ..... Las-Vegas = another atheist goes on a rampage ..... No Religion= Peace ?? < not so much

(http://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/uploads/2017/10/las_vegas_shooting_mandalay_bay_gi.jpg?itok=LF7jlPB5)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Dither on October 05, 2017, 05:13:02 AM
another atheist goes on a rampage .....

I'm hearing conflicting accounts about what this guy actually believed.

It's just weird, only motive I can see so far is the suggestion by the media for tighter gun laws because anyone can go on a psychotic rampage at any time.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on October 05, 2017, 06:15:49 AM
another atheist goes on a rampage .....

I'm hearing conflicting accounts about what this guy actually believed.

It's just weird, only motive I can see so far is the suggestion by the media for tighter gun laws because anyone can go on a psychotic rampage at any time.
It's because no one actually knows.  The guy doesn't have enough of a digital footprint and people are still getting interviews done.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 07, 2017, 05:03:04 PM
I'm hearing conflicting accounts about what this guy actually believed

well ... we know what he did NOT believe .... what every Christian believes ... thou shalt not kill
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on October 07, 2017, 05:10:16 PM
I'm hearing conflicting accounts about what this guy actually believed

well ... we know what he did NOT believe .... what every Christian believes ... thou shalt not kill

So when, a Christian president goes in to Iraq and kills 100,000s of people, he is upholding that commandment?  Or is this a "no true Christian" fallacy?

The LRA is a Christian army that uses children to commit massacres. There are bad people everywhere and they use all sorts of beliefs to justify it.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Hmmm on October 07, 2017, 11:07:51 PM
This is just my opinion!

I think, it's obvious: any religion is garbage, that was made by the true controllers of the world(fallen angels, "satan's workers", illuminati, freemasons, etc) to exploit us and keep us enslaved in satan's system, that ceases any artifacts of love(in a non-sexual way) and care that's left in people to a minimum.
The bible, or any book, scripture of any religion, is filled with both lies and truth bounded together. You can't trust it 100% without critical thinking and relying on real world observations.
There shouldn't be churches, but any other alternatives, that don't involve rituals, "energy capacitance and transmission or careless group praying, which just "make you look at the time in your smartphone all the time".
But the faith and belief in god, and loving the god - is important.
It's important to believe in good in this world and in helpfulness and good within people, justice and love - as, whether you believe me or not, our genuine wishes (https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5890.msg125768#msg125768), intents, deep faith (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4SJc4oKKe4E5wHouxVGzhA/videos) matter in this reality.
So removing religion from our lives won't make a world better place, because we're being corrupted, destructive and rivaling in most of the aspects of our daily lives.
And, i think, there are beings(you can call them "demon possessed" or "djinns" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMpFmxCcJks), "reptilians"), that hide under human cloaks like chameleons, which won't let us completely stop by direct means the wars and destruction.

I know, that i'm contradicting with myself, but i try to support both my belief and the christian belief.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 08, 2017, 10:40:22 PM
I believe Rama Set would rather be speaking German or Japanese

everyone who hates his brother is a murderer .. and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him ...... 1 John 3:15 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=712#p712)

The LRA is a Christian army

there is no such thing as a "christian army" ...... God doesn't save armys ... God saves individuals

So when "Christian president" Obama goes in to Iraq and kills 100,000s of ISIS fighters, he is upholding that commandment?  Or is this a "no true Christian" fallacy?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on October 09, 2017, 01:34:39 AM
I believe Rama Set would rather be speaking German or Japanese

Hm?

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everyone who hates his brother is a murderer .. and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him ...... 1 John 3:15 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=712#p712)

What?

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The LRA is a Christian army

there is no such thing as a "christian army" ...... God doesn't save armys ... God saves individuals

A "no true Christian" fallacy then.

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So when "Christian president" Obama goes in to Iraq and kills 100,000s of ISIS fighters, he is upholding that commandment?  Or is this a "no true Christian" fallacy?

Wow, you really can't deal with this challenge can you? 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 11, 2017, 07:45:27 PM
The LRA is a Christian army that uses children to commit massacres

Biblical Christianity dictates that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (of the flesh / of human sources)

for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh .. but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses .... II Cor 10:4 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=653#p653)

therefore your accusation is obsolete .... however I'm wondering if YOU (Rama) believe abortion is not murder and justified
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on October 11, 2017, 08:08:41 PM
while we are quoting;

Deuteronomy 7:1-2    When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
     However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 11, 2017, 10:53:50 PM
PS: the scripture you quote is not Christian instruction .... a little out of dispensation and context

I'm wondering if YOU (Jura) believe that the abortion of innocent Human life is not murder and justified

still waiting for Rama's answer to this

(http://dadmansabode.com/I/images/hm-171009a.jpg) (https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Exposing-Roots-American/dp/1621573486)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on October 12, 2017, 07:36:34 AM
PS: the scripture you quote is not Christian instruction .... a little out of dispensation and context




Well forgive me, as I don’t much care but when I read “you must” and “as the Lord your God has commanded you”, I hear instructions, but you carry on cherry picking what suits your agenda and I will continue believing it’s all outdated bronze age nonsense that in parts incites genocide, rape and incest amongst other things, and as you want to get into a baby killing debate, how about;

“Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)”

God is love?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on October 12, 2017, 03:30:28 PM
The LRA is a Christian army that uses children to commit massacres

Biblical Christianity dictates that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (of the flesh / of human sources)

for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh .. but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses .... II Cor 10:4 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=653#p653)

therefore your accusation is obsolete ....

Nice cherry picking.  So you are using nothing more than a No True Scotsman fallacy.  Good talk.

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however I'm wondering if YOU (Rama) believe abortion is not murder and justified

Irrelevant.  There are pro-life and pro-choice people that are Christian and non-Christian.  Face it, you can't sit there and proclaim moral superiority just because of Christianity.  No matter what moral or ethical code you subscribe to there will be people that will subvert it to their own ends.  Some of those ends are nefarious and can be robustly justified, and this is especially true of Christianity. 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 12, 2017, 05:36:48 PM
The LRA is a Christian army that uses children to commit massacres

Biblical Christianity dictates that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (of the flesh / of human sources)

for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh .. but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses .... II Cor 10:4 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=653#p653)

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Nice cherry picking.  So you are using nothing more than a No True Scotsman fallacy.  Good talk........... < means nothing

Irrelevant.  There are pro-life and pro-choice people that are Christian and non-Christian.  Face it, you can't sit there and proclaim moral superiority just because of Christianity.  No matter what moral or ethical code you subscribe to there will be people that will subvert it to their own ends.  Some of those ends are nefarious and can be robustly justified, and this is especially true of Christianity.

I'll take that as a (no, abortion is not murder and yes, it is justified) ......
probably your confusion is, you have no idea how to determine the wheat from among the chaff (sheep and goats) ... see 1 John (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=60#p60)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 12, 2017, 05:41:21 PM
They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children

I'm wondering if YOU (Jura) believe that the abortion of innocent Human life is not murder and is justified

still waiting for YOUR answer to this
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on October 12, 2017, 07:27:23 PM
The LRA is a Christian army that uses children to commit massacres

Biblical Christianity dictates that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (of the flesh / of human sources)

for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh .. but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses .... II Cor 10:4 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=653#p653)

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Nice cherry picking.  So you are using nothing more than a No True Scotsman fallacy.  Good talk........... < means nothing

Irrelevant.  There are pro-life and pro-choice people that are Christian and non-Christian.  Face it, you can't sit there and proclaim moral superiority just because of Christianity.  No matter what moral or ethical code you subscribe to there will be people that will subvert it to their own ends.  Some of those ends are nefarious and can be robustly justified, and this is especially true of Christianity.

I'll take that as a (no, abortion is not murder and yes, it is justified) ......

The irony of a religious person reading what they want in to my answer is not lost on me.
 
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probably your confusion is, you have no idea how to determine the wheat from among the chaff (sheep and goats) ... see 1 John (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=60#p60)

Thanks dadman.  Thanks.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 12, 2017, 07:31:04 PM
The irony of a religious person reading what they want in to my answer is not lost on me .... Don't look at me, you're the one exposing yourself .... eew !!
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on October 12, 2017, 07:56:13 PM
The irony of a religious person reading what they want in to my answer is not lost on me .... Don't look at me, you're the one exposing yourself .... eew !!

This doesn't make sense.  Anyway, you should try and steer the titanic away from the icebergs.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on October 12, 2017, 08:08:06 PM

Personally I don't think it should be a method of birth control but there are situations (rape) where there should be the option.

Now please don't get sanctimonious from the “good” book on me as there are many samples of god and his minions being more than happy to slaughter children (see above) and;

Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock. (Psalms 137:9 NAB)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 12, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
Personally I don't think it should be a method of birth control but there are situations ..... yeah, I guess murder has its comfortable parameter ...
afterall: Life is meaningless & everything dies.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on October 12, 2017, 09:20:44 PM
Now you're getting it.

However I won't be smashing children on the rocks as that I find objectionable.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Set on October 13, 2017, 12:03:50 AM
Personally I don't think it should be a method of birth control but there are situations ..... yeah, I guess murder has its comfortable parameter ...
afterall: Life is meaningless & everything dies.

If you don't think there is ever an appropriate time to take the life of another then you are a child. It does not have to be comfortable for it to be justified. You would be hard pressed to find any condemnation in clear-cut self-defense situations. But then, it's. It murder if it's not illegal.

On the topic of abortion, I am not sure where my line is anymore. I used to be an unquestioning pro-choice person that disapproved of abortion as birth control, but not anymore because I am not sure when life begins or what reasonable criteria for such a thing is. (I do know the answer is not in the Bible.)

However, if a woman's life is endangered by a pregnancy, then I have no qualms about aborting it, only sadness. Other situations, like rape, I am not as clear. My knee-jerk is to agree with Jura, because pregnancy and parenthood are not something that should be forced upon anyone through violent coercion but I am not even 100% on that being a fully constituted justification. It's a sticky topic and to pretend otherwise is to be insensitive and unempathetic.

Now please don't make me regret giving a thoughtful answer by resorting to biblical authority.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 13, 2017, 02:53:33 AM
Now please don't make me regret giving a thoughtful answer by resorting to biblical authority. ... wouldn't think of it (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=754#p754)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on October 13, 2017, 07:29:07 AM

So that's it then? You ask a morally loaded question, someone (Rama) tries to give you a nuanced thoughtful answer and all you have got, is a link?

Do you actually have a position of your own on anything, or do you just log onto dadsbollocks and go "yeah that"?

I suppose life is easier if you just relinquish all decision making over to a higher authority, one of the siren songs of religion, don't worry about thinking, we've got it covered. 
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 13, 2017, 02:21:13 PM
someone (Rama) tries to give you a nuanced thoughtful answer and all you have got, is a link? ...
yeah, well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink .... What, you wanna talk medical science ?
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet on October 13, 2017, 03:53:50 PM

Has anybody checked that Boo isn’t a bot?

He/it can’t read or respond to more than 1 line of text, his retorts when they come are trite clichés and they all have links to “dead religions are us” southern style!
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Boodidlie on October 13, 2017, 06:50:34 PM
dead religions are us ?? .... lol ... lil mizz "Life is meaningless & everything dies" needs to go have a long hard look in the mirror

In Revelation 22 (http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=742#p742)

The Paradise lost by the first Adam shall be restored by the Second Adam .. and in this paradise there shall be multitudes saved through the lamb .. to behold its beauties and to taste its pleasures forever .. let all men labor to understand the prophecies of these things shortly coming to pass that they might be prepared to meet the Lord Jesus .. having embraced his salvation .. yea .. and earnestly longing and praying for the hour of his appearance . . . . even so .. come .. Lord Jesus . . . . . the Bible closes with emphasis on the fidelity of the Scriptures v 6 .. on salvation by grace the free gift of the Lord Jesus v 17 .. and on the doctrine of the pre-millennial return of Christ v 7 - 12 & 20 .. the great “peace prayer” of the Bible .. and the last prayer of the Bible .. is “Come .. Lord Jesus” .. and Jesus’ last recorded words are .. “Surely .. I come quickly . . . . amen” .. this is the thought he would leave with us .. May God open the eyes of every reader to the “blessed hope .. the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour .. the Lord Jesus Christ” .. Tit 2:13

Genesis begins with creation .. Revelation ends with the New Creation
In Genesis we have the first Sabbath .. Revelation closes with the holy rest in the new creation
Genesis gives us the first Adam .. head of the old humanity .. Revelation leaves us with the second Adam .. head of the new humanity
Genesis gives us Eve .. the wife of the first Adam .. sinning .. condemned and sorrowing .. Revelation leaves us with the second Eve .. the Bride of Christ .. exalted .. holy and glorious
In Genesis we have exclusion from the tree of life .. Revelation leaves us with access to it and authority over it
In Genesis we have an earth cursed .. In Revelation we have the earth fully delivered from the curse
Genesis gives us Satan tempting and bruising .. In Revelation we leave him bruised and in the lake of fire forever
In Genesis we have the first sob and tear .. In Revelation all tears and sighing are forever gone .........
gty.org (http://gty.org)
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on October 17, 2017, 07:14:46 PM
Personally I don't think it should be a method of birth control but there are situations ..... yeah, I guess murder has its comfortable parameter ...
afterall: Life is meaningless & everything dies.

No womb no vote
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Rama Sethi on October 23, 2017, 09:36:11 AM
In my opinion, religion in the first place was to create peace and harmony in the society. Prior to the laws of the government, religious books acted as Codes for the society.  But over time as the world got connected, people started associating themselves with a particular religion and began fighting with people of other religions.
But as humans if we fail to keep peace and harmony then nothing can save us.

Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on October 23, 2017, 10:22:16 AM
In my opinion, religion in the first place was to create peace and harmony in the society. Prior to the laws of the government, religious books acted as Codes for the society.  But over time as the world got connected, people started associating themselves with a particular religion and began fighting with people of other religions.
But as humans if we fail to keep peace and harmony then nothing can save us.

I'm pretty sure that's not true. One of the earliest forms of rules for people to follow comes from the Code of Hammurabi (1780 B.C.E) and is a law set by the government. Almost every king, emperor, sultan, and tsar issued decrees and had some form of civil justice.

Even most tribes have written or unwritten codes which list acceptable behaviour, usually set by the chief.

Government laws were often based on religious laws, and vice-versa, but I don't think there has ever been a time when there was no civil law, only religious laws.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on October 23, 2017, 01:20:01 PM
, but I don't think there has ever been a time when there was no civil law, only religious laws.

What do you think about those certain middle eastern countries with Sharia law? People being publicly beheaded/thrown off buildings for "crimes" such as homosexuality or blasphemy? I agree that there may not have been a time previously that had only religious law and not civil but I think there is a case to argue that there is now
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on October 23, 2017, 01:38:20 PM
, but I don't think there has ever been a time when there was no civil law, only religious laws.

What do you think about those certain middle eastern countries with Sharia law? People being publicly beheaded/thrown off buildings for "crimes" such as homosexuality or blasphemy? I agree that there may not have been a time previously that had only religious law and not civil but I think there is a case to argue that there is now

I refer the right honourable gentleman to my previous comment.

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Government laws were often based on religious laws, and vice-versa, but I don't think there has ever been a time when there was no civil law, only religious laws.

In places like Saudi, civil law has largely been based on religious law, but it isn't a system of laws which is exclusively from a religious law, and the civil government, not the clergy (Mostly) enforces it.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on October 23, 2017, 02:17:18 PM
In places like Saudi, civil law has largely been based on religious law, but it isn't a system of laws which is exclusively from a religious law, and the civil government, not the clergy (Mostly) enforces it.

But if the government wanted to pass a law that went against the religious ideology it would never get through, in that country I think the religious leaders have more power over laws than the civic government. Maybe they don't exercise that power over trivial issues like when bin collection day is but I'd bet my immortal soul that no single law exists that they think goes against their peaceful teachings........
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on October 23, 2017, 04:58:03 PM
In places like Saudi, civil law has largely been based on religious law, but it isn't a system of laws which is exclusively from a religious law, and the civil government, not the clergy (Mostly) enforces it.

But if the government wanted to pass a law that went against the religious ideology it would never get through, in that country I think the religious leaders have more power over laws than the civic government. Maybe they don't exercise that power over trivial issues like when bin collection day is but I'd bet my immortal soul that no single law exists that they think goes against their peaceful teachings........


I'll take that bet.


Women can vote, hold office, and now drive in Saudi Arabia.


Please send your soul to me upon your death.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on October 23, 2017, 06:19:30 PM


I'll take that bet.


Women can vote, hold office, and now drive in Saudi Arabia.


Please send your soul to me upon your death.

Where does it say in the Koran that women can't drive? I have read most of it and whilst it does clearly classify women as a lower class of human than men it does not prohibit them from holding office or voting.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on October 23, 2017, 08:00:21 PM


I'll take that bet.


Women can vote, hold office, and now drive in Saudi Arabia.


Please send your soul to me upon your death.

Where does it say in the Koran that women can't drive? I have read most of it and whilst it does clearly classify women as a lower class of human than men it does not prohibit them from holding office or voting.
Apparently depends on who you ask.


https://abuaminaelias.com/can-women-take-positions-of-leadership-and-authority-in-islam/
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on October 23, 2017, 08:56:38 PM
There's nothing as subjective as the interpretation of the truth hey  :D Interesting reading Lord Dave, cheers for posting it.

It's another subject that I am fascinated by (religion) similar to this Flat earth in a lot of respects such as the varied opinions about the finer details and the lack of a lot of cast iron beliefs unanimously accepted.

Are you "a" Lord or "the" Lord? by the way
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Lord Dave on October 23, 2017, 09:24:34 PM
Neither.
I just like how it sounds.  It rolls off the tongue.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: devils advocate on October 23, 2017, 09:35:17 PM
I concur
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: New_In_Town on December 02, 2017, 09:32:22 PM
Before people start fighting me over the subject, I first want to say that actually I am a Christian and I go to church every Sunday and participate in many of the church's activities. However, I am really convinced that if we go back the moment humans were created on this earth, and take away every religion, there will be world peace... I don't know about you but I would really love to know your opinions.

No, because if you have Nutella and I didn't have Nutella, you would catch these hands and I would take the Nutella for myself. However, existence wouldn't exist if existence didn't first exist. So, which came first: The chicken or the egg?" If we identify God as the chicken and existence as the egg, then the chicken came before the egg. But if the egg came first, then there would be no chicken to incubate the egg and the egg couldn't be. So if you take the Creator out of the picture, the creation could not create itself and the whole premise falls apart.

More to your exact point, without religion people would find other reasons to quarrel. If you think religion is the only reason to get in a heated debate (or a war (haha)) you should try pushing someones buttons on the issues of racial inequality (White Supremacy, Black Lives Matter, White Privilege, ect.), the ability to decide your gender and project your beliefs on the general public (I have chosen to identify as a Thick & Rich Eggo Waffle. You need to use the right pronouns now. Thank you.), whether homosexuality should be recognized as a valid marriage, and most recently, Flat Earth vs. Round Earth. I'm being flippant about these issues to show how easily beliefs can be targeted and triggered. Religion is just one means of segregation. It shouldn't be, but it is.

Thick & Rich Eggo Waffle out.
Title: Re: No Religion= Peace
Post by: Pickel B Gravel on January 13, 2018, 08:04:54 PM
Before people start fighting me over the subject, I first want to say that actually I am a Christian and I go to church every Sunday and participate in many of the church's activities. However, I am really convinced that if we go back the moment humans were created on this earth, and take away every religion, there will be world peace... I don't know about you but I would really love to know your opinions.

No. Are you suggesting that there is something intrinsically bad about religion? If religion were not here, people would still commit atrocities. Most atrocities have not been due to religion. Stalin and Hitler, for example, killed for their political ideology. The USA revolutionary war, the USA civil war, the Iraq war, the Vietnam war, etc have nothing to do with religion. They had to do with politics and geopolitical influence.