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Title: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 06:54:43 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/amnestys-detekt-tool-knows-your-4657462

I just got a new laptop, so its unlikely I have anything untoward on there. But I wonder if any of you might scan and find evidence of your government creeping on you. Post if you have anything juicy. :-)
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: la xasop on November 22, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
This is Windows-only software. Windows is a terrible choice of OS to begin with if you don't want to be spied on; since its source code can't be audited, there is no way to be certain that the OS is even correctly reporting details of such files.

If this tool detects something, good for you. If it doesn't, you're no better off than you were before you ran it. If you can't trust the OS, all bets are off.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 07:14:16 PM
This is Windows-only software.
The most popular OS in the world.

If you can't trust the OS, all bets are off.
Would I trust an OS written by the best developers money can buy, or one written by a few guys in their bedrooms?
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: la xasop on November 22, 2014, 07:18:37 PM
This is Windows-only software.
The most popular OS in the world.

Either irrelevant or argumentum ad populum, depending on whether you intended an implicit conclusion based on this statement.

Would I trust an OS written by the best developers money can buy, or one written by a few guys in their bedrooms?

Irrelevant, given that no other OS has been compared to Windows in this thread.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: beardo on November 22, 2014, 07:41:45 PM
Th*rk would rather trust an OS written by a money-hungry and corrupt corporation which source-code he can't view than an OS written by a few well-meaning fellows in their bedrooms which source code he can view.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: markjo on November 22, 2014, 08:05:17 PM
Would I trust an OS written by the best developers money can buy, or one written by a few guys in their bedrooms?
If Microsoft's developers are so good, then why do their OSes need weekly critical updates?
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 22, 2014, 08:13:30 PM
Should have known this would become a Windows vs. Linux thread.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 08:19:46 PM
Lol, vs Linux. Like its a viable alternative or something.  ;D
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Blanko on November 22, 2014, 08:21:13 PM
Should have known this would become a Windows vs. Linux thread.

Did someone mention Linux?
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 22, 2014, 08:23:23 PM
Should have known this would become a Windows vs. Linux thread.

Did someone mention Linux?

Oh so they're talking about OS X then. Gotcha.

Because that's totally made by some well-meaning fellows in a bedroom...
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: la xasop on November 22, 2014, 08:26:56 PM
Should have known this would become a Windows vs. Linux thread.

Did someone mention Linux?

Oh so they're talking about OS X then.

You would have to ask Thork what other OS he is referring to. I have merely pointed out some disadvantages of Windows. However, I can assure you that there exist more than three operating systems.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 22, 2014, 08:30:43 PM
However, I can assure you that there exist more than three operating systems.

I can't name many that are viable alternatives to Windows other than Linux-based systems and OS X.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 08:33:26 PM
However, I can assure you that there exist more than three operating systems.

I can't name many that are viable alternatives to Windows other than Linux-based systems and OS X.
Linux is not a viable alternative to Windows. If it was, companies all over the world would be using it because it is free.

Inb4server red-herring. This is about desktop and anti-spying before the butthurt Linux-fanboys hijacked it.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Lord Dave on November 22, 2014, 08:35:38 PM
However, I can assure you that there exist more than three operating systems.

I can't name many that are viable alternatives to Windows other than Linux-based systems and OS X.
Linux is not a viable alternative to Windows. If it was, companies all over the world would be using it because it is free.
They are, just not for desktops.  Know why?  Because windows is what most people know and training both users and IT staff to use Linux is harder than just going with Windows.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 22, 2014, 08:35:53 PM
However, I can assure you that there exist more than three operating systems.

I can't name many that are viable alternatives to Windows other than Linux-based systems and OS X.
Linux is not a viable alternative to Windows. If it was, companies all over the world would be using it because it is free.

Linux is a viable alternative. It's more secure, free, and can do mostly everything Windows is capable of. Windows is just extremely popular and has big dev support making updates/fixes a lot more convenient. Windows is usually easier for a company to manage compared to Linux, but that doesn't mean Linux isn't a viable alternative to Windows. Most of the US government uses Linux based systems, so it's obviously viable if you're willing to put in the effort.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 08:53:20 PM
They are, just not for desktops.  Know why?  Because windows is what most people know and training both users and IT staff to use Linux is harder than just going with Windows.
Incorrect. Companies use OSX (my company being a prime example) and they don't care that new staff need training. But Linux doesn't enter into it.

Linux is a viable alternative. It's more secure, free, and can do mostly everything Windows is capable of. Windows is just extremely popular and has big dev support making updates/fixes a lot more convenient. Windows is usually easier for a company to manage compared to Linux, but that doesn't mean Linux isn't a viable alternative to Windows. Most of the US government uses Linux based systems, so it's obviously viable if you're willing to put in the effort.
Its not viable. If it was, people would use it. Its as simple as that.

Linux ... they can't even give it away.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 22, 2014, 08:59:16 PM
Once again Thork assumes that his employer is the paragon of business & technological excellence.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Lord Dave on November 22, 2014, 09:00:36 PM
They are, just not for desktops.  Know why?  Because windows is what most people know and training both users and IT staff to use Linux is harder than just going with Windows.
Incorrect. Companies use OSX (my company being a prime example) and they don't care that new staff need training. But Linux doesn't enter into it.
Name six that use OSX as their only OS. (not including Apple)
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 09:24:56 PM
They are, just not for desktops.  Know why?  Because windows is what most people know and training both users and IT staff to use Linux is harder than just going with Windows.
Incorrect. Companies use OSX (my company being a prime example) and they don't care that new staff need training. But Linux doesn't enter into it.
Name six that use OSX as their only OS. (not including Apple)
No massive company will have 100% Apple the same as no company will have 100% PC.

But below are 6 prolific Mac using corps.

Cisco -now have over 35,000 macs.
CBS
Pixar
Google
Viacom
IBM

As for companies that aren't huge, millions of companies use macs - anyone developing apps and phone software, games companies, graphic design companies ...

Give me 6 multi-national firms that issue Linux to employees as the predominant desktop platform.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 22, 2014, 09:28:04 PM
They are, just not for desktops.  Know why?  Because windows is what most people know and training both users and IT staff to use Linux is harder than just going with Windows.
Incorrect. Companies use OSX (my company being a prime example) and they don't care that new staff need training. But Linux doesn't enter into it.
Name six that use OSX as their only OS. (not including Apple)
No massive company will have 100% Apple the same as no company will have 100% PC.

But below are 6 prolific Mac using corps.

Cisco -now have over 35,000 macs.
CBS
Pixar
Google
Viacom
IBM

As for companies that are huge, millions of companies use macs - anyone developing apps and phone software, games companies, graphic design companies ...

Give me 6 multi-national firms that issue Linux to employees as the predominant desktop platform.

Google and IBM both use Linux. Fuck, Google's own operating systems are Linux based. Try again.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Pete Svarrior on November 22, 2014, 09:29:06 PM
I just got a new laptop, so its unlikely I have anything untoward on there.
Actually, it's quite likely.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/29/5253226/nsa-cia-fbi-laptop-usb-plant-spy
https://www.popularresistance.org/new-intel-based-pcs-permanently-hackable/
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 09:30:12 PM
They are, just not for desktops.  Know why?  Because windows is what most people know and training both users and IT staff to use Linux is harder than just going with Windows.
Incorrect. Companies use OSX (my company being a prime example) and they don't care that new staff need training. But Linux doesn't enter into it.
Name six that use OSX as their only OS. (not including Apple)
No massive company will have 100% Apple the same as no company will have 100% PC.

But below are 6 prolific Mac using corps.

Cisco -now have over 35,000 macs.
CBS
Pixar
Google
Viacom
IBM

As for companies that are huge, millions of companies use macs - anyone developing apps and phone software, games companies, graphic design companies ...

Give me 6 multi-national firms that issue Linux to employees as the predominant desktop platform.

Google and IBM both use Linux. Fuck, Google's own operating systems are Linux based. Try again.
They use a lot of Macs. They just do. I don't need to try again. they issue huge amounts of staff Apple Macs.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Particle Person on November 22, 2014, 09:37:18 PM
They use a lot of Macs. They just do. I don't need to try again. they issue huge amounts of staff Apple Macs.

Clearly you know a lot about Google. Roughly what percentage of Google employees use a Mac as their primary workstation?
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 09:38:57 PM
They use a lot of Macs. They just do. I don't need to try again. they issue huge amounts of staff Apple Macs.

Clearly you know a lot about Google. Roughly what percentage of Google employees use a Mac as their primary workstation?
I don't f*cking know. I just know they use macs. Can't you use a search engine?

http://bgr.com/2013/11/28/mac-chromebook-google-employees/

Quote from: http://bgr.com/2013/11/28/mac-chromebook-google-employees/
“There was a time when Macs were a small part of the Google fleet,” Google system engineer Clay Caviness said, “but as of now if you start at Google and want to use a platform other than Mac you have to make a business case.”
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 09:50:55 PM
So, anyone want to offer 6 blue chip companies (non-Linux manufacturers) that make their staff use Linux as a primary desktop OS?
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 22, 2014, 09:56:23 PM
So, anyone want to offer 6 blue chip companies (non-Linux manufacturers) that make their staff use Linux as a primary desktop OS?

google? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 09:57:35 PM
So, anyone want to offer 6 blue chip companies (non-Linux manufacturers) that make their staff use Linux as a primary desktop OS?

google? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
So no major corporations are switching to desktop Linux as a primary tool. Thanks.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 22, 2014, 10:06:53 PM
So, anyone want to offer 6 blue chip companies (non-Linux manufacturers) that make their staff use Linux as a primary desktop OS?

google? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
So no major corporations are switching to desktop Linux as a primary tool. Thanks.

Yet one of your main examples uses Linux for their own products.

http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Lord Dave on November 22, 2014, 10:07:17 PM
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: la xasop on November 22, 2014, 10:10:29 PM
What exactly does any of this have to do with the OP?
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 22, 2014, 10:11:47 PM
So, anyone want to offer 6 blue chip companies (non-Linux manufacturers) that make their staff use Linux as a primary desktop OS?

google? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
So no major corporations are switching to desktop Linux as a primary tool. Thanks.
Yet one of your main examples uses Linux for their own products.

http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/
again, they aren't rolling it out as the main desktop platform though, because it is unviable.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
I'll ignore Dave, as he's 20 mins behind everyone else as usual.


What exactly does any of this have to do with the OP?
no one would comment on the OP. some Linux-fanboys decided they'd rather talk about how great Linux was. I believe you started that.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Particle Person on November 22, 2014, 10:15:14 PM
Yet one of your main examples uses Linux for their own products.

http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters

Amazingly, you two are making Thork look smart. "Linux adopters" are not necessarily companies who have decided to use Linux for the majority of (or even a significant number of) their standard workstations.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 22, 2014, 10:22:32 PM
Yet one of your main examples uses Linux for their own products.

http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters

Amazingly, you two are making Thork look smart. "Linux adopters" are not necessarily companies who have decided to use Linux for the majority of (or even a significant number of) their standard workstations.

I'll leave this argument in your hands then. Good luck.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Blanko on November 22, 2014, 10:29:10 PM
no one would comment on the OP. some Linux-fanboys decided they'd rather talk about how great Linux was. I believe you started that.

Parsifal hasn't even mentioned Linux in this thread.  ???
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Lord Dave on November 22, 2014, 11:27:05 PM
Yet one of your main examples uses Linux for their own products.

http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/ (http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters

Amazingly, you two are making Thork look smart. "Linux adopters" are not necessarily companies who have decided to use Linux for the majority of (or even a significant number of) their standard workstations.
And how should it be defined?  A company that uses 100% linux computers?  Because that's just not realistic.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: jroa on November 23, 2014, 01:11:58 AM
So, anyone want to offer 6 blue chip companies (non-Linux manufacturers) that make their staff use Linux as a primary desktop OS?

google? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
So no major corporations are switching to desktop Linux as a primary tool. Thanks.

http://www.redhat.com/en/customers/our-customers?sc_cid=70160000000e1CSAAY
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: markjo on November 23, 2014, 01:13:31 AM
What exactly does any of this have to do with the OP?
Apparently governments only spy on Windows users because no other OS seems to be worth the bother.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: beardo on November 23, 2014, 02:18:29 AM
no one would comment on the OP. some Linux-fanboys decided they'd rather talk about how great Linux was. I believe you started that.
Not once have Parsifal mentioned Linux in this thread.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Rushy on November 23, 2014, 02:26:47 AM
The answer is yes, your government and every other government in the world (yes, literally all of them) is at least attempting to spy on you. How much you give them depends on what you do and using Windows is probably a good way to tell them everything.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Particle Person on November 23, 2014, 02:28:42 AM
>2015
>believing the government exists
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Fortuna on November 23, 2014, 09:37:37 AM
Lol, vs Linux. Like its a viable alternative or something.  ;D

Linux is so bad that a third of enterprise servers in the world run it. The only reason it has such a small market share with consumers is because 90% of them are too retarded to figure it out.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: beardo on November 23, 2014, 11:58:27 AM
Lol, even my mum is using Linux.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: markjo on November 23, 2014, 04:22:52 PM
A lot of people probably use Linux with out even realizing it.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Thork on November 23, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
A lot of people probably use Linux with out even realizing it.
Like other malware then.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Снупс on November 23, 2014, 06:35:47 PM
My work uses Linux. It's pretty great. It's like Windows but runs better
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: markjo on November 23, 2014, 06:48:19 PM
A lot of people probably use Linux with out even realizing it.
Like other malware then.
Or, like embedded systems.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Fortuna on November 23, 2014, 07:10:59 PM
A lot of people probably use Linux with out even realizing it.
Like other malware then.

Android is one of the main ones I can think of. It's basically a glorified piece of spyware.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 23, 2014, 07:48:15 PM
My work uses Linux. It's pretty great. It's like Windows but runs better

We have an in-house example of Linux in the workplace right here, Thork.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Particle Person on November 23, 2014, 07:52:05 PM
My work uses Linux. It's pretty great. It's like Windows but runs better

For what? Everything? That would be unusual. We use Red Hat and CentOS for our servers, and Windows master race for mostly everything else.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Снупс on November 23, 2014, 10:05:32 PM
My work uses Linux. It's pretty great. It's like Windows but runs better

For what? Everything? That would be unusual. We use Red Hat and CentOS for our servers, and Windows master race for mostly everything else.
Everything, yeah. And, surprise surprise, everyone knows how to use it. It's not very complicated. Actually, we do have one computer with Windows 8, but is such a buggy piece of shit that nobody uses it except when they have to. Whether that's due to Windows or the computer itself (probably a mixture of both) I don't know, but the Linux computers run better than just about any equivalent Windows computers I've used. Now that I've personally used a Linux (Unix?) based computer, I think I might switch over once Steam gets more Linux games. It has swayed me.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Lord Dave on November 23, 2014, 10:10:02 PM
My work uses Linux. It's pretty great. It's like Windows but runs better

For what? Everything? That would be unusual. We use Red Hat and CentOS for our servers, and Windows master race for mostly everything else.
Everything, yeah. And, surprise surprise, everyone knows how to use it. It's not very complicated. Actually, we do have one computer with Windows 8, but is such a buggy piece of shit that nobody uses it except when they have to. Whether that's due to Windows or the computer itself (probably a mixture of both) I don't know, but the Linux computers run better than just about any equivalent Windows computers I've used. Now that I've personally used a Linux (Unix?) based computer, I think I might switch over once Steam gets more Linux games. It has swayed me.
The main problem with linux is driver support.  Video cards especially have a tendency to have half-assed drivers from the manufacturers and the best they can do from the community.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 23, 2014, 10:11:22 PM
My work uses Linux. It's pretty great. It's like Windows but runs better

For what? Everything? That would be unusual. We use Red Hat and CentOS for our servers, and Windows master race for mostly everything else.
Everything, yeah. And, surprise surprise, everyone knows how to use it. It's not very complicated. Actually, we do have one computer with Windows 8, but is such a buggy piece of shit that nobody uses it except when they have to. Whether that's due to Windows or the computer itself (probably a mixture of both) I don't know, but the Linux computers run better than just about any equivalent Windows computers I've used. Now that I've personally used a Linux (Unix?) based computer, I think I might switch over once Steam gets more Linux games. It has swayed me.

What kind of work related work gets done on these computers? Also, what distro?
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Снупс on November 23, 2014, 10:18:11 PM
^ Uhh, I dunno specifically. I use it in tandem with the scan guns and keep track of finances, purchases, invoices, spreadsheets, etc. I couldn't tell you what higher-ups do with it. We don't play video games, though, so there's that.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Rushy on November 23, 2014, 10:32:17 PM
The title does not match the content of this thread at all.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: junker on November 24, 2014, 05:12:26 AM
The title does not match the content of this thread at all.

Does it ever by page 3?
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Particle Person on November 24, 2014, 05:14:42 AM
The title does not match the content of this thread at all.

Does it ever by page 3?

Alright let's see your top five list of RPGs that are better than Morrowind. Oh, you can't think of any? I didn't think so.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 24, 2014, 06:51:30 AM
The title does not match the content of this thread at all.

Does it ever by page 3?

Alright let's see your top five list of RPGs that are better than Morrowind. Oh, you can't think of any? I didn't think so.

Oblivion
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: la xasop on November 24, 2014, 10:40:34 AM
Now that I've personally used a Linux (Unix?) based computer

Linux is Unix-like, but not Unix-based. It was written from scratch as a clone of Unix, but doesn't share ancestry with Unix.

The main problem with linux is driver support.  Video cards especially have a tendency to have half-assed drivers from the manufacturers and the best they can do from the community.

This is simply wrong, unless by "video cards" you mean "NVIDIA video cards".
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Rushy on November 24, 2014, 02:19:40 PM
The title does not match the content of this thread at all.

Does it ever by page 3?

I said this thread, not this page. The only post in the entire thread that is sort of close to the title is Thork's OP. And even then if you delete the word "government" it just becomes a "new laptop" post.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: markjo on November 24, 2014, 11:55:10 PM
The title does not match the content of this thread at all.

Does it ever by page reply number 3?

Fixed.
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Снупс on November 25, 2014, 10:26:16 PM
What bothers me most about this thread is the period at the end of the title
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Rushy on November 25, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
What bothers me most about this thread is the period at the end of the title?
Title: Re: Is your government spying on you.
Post by: Ghost of V on November 25, 2014, 10:42:54 PM
What bothers me the most, on-line, which means the last line