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Title: Earth's Oval Orbit defies Science!
Post by: dabaghy on December 18, 2018, 08:35:12 AM
A system with 80% water, will and have to obey all the rules of physics and hydro/fluid dynamics

If as claimed, earth is orbiting the sun, and if the orbit was a perfect circle, my discussion would be easily discarded and maybe obsolete, or at least hard to prove

But with an Oval orbit, things change drastically, especially when the acclaimed path is about to change direction at the farthest points

Water despite of the acclaimed gravity, should and must obey the laws of physics such as inertia and momentum, so at the farthest points of the acclaimed orbit, water should drastically shift on the earth to the outer side of the orbit as the earth makes its return towards the sun. Centripetal and centrifugal forces cannot be just acting on the surface of earth, if it was a globe, but they should be workable on the orbital level, hence the shift of all fluids massiv as oceans and seas should be very noticeable same as tides are.

At the farthest points of the orbit (yellow arrows indicated in the picture) and when earth is supposedly changing its direction, why is never any shift in the water bodies on earth?

Thanks for reading
Title: Re: Earth's Oval Orbit defies Science!
Post by: stack on December 18, 2018, 10:31:44 AM
A system with 80% water, will and have to obey all the rules of physics and hydro/fluid dynamics

If as claimed, earth is orbiting the sun, and if the orbit was a perfect circle, my discussion would be easily discarded and maybe obsolete, or at least hard to prove

But with an Oval orbit, things change drastically, especially when the acclaimed path is about to change direction at the farthest points

Water despite of the acclaimed gravity, should and must obey the laws of physics such as inertia and momentum, so at the farthest points of the acclaimed orbit, water should drastically shift on the earth to the outer side of the orbit as the earth makes its return towards the sun. Centripetal and centrifugal forces cannot be just acting on the surface of earth, if it was a globe, but they should be workable on the orbital level, hence the shift of all fluids massiv as oceans and seas should be very noticeable same as tides are.

At the farthest points of the orbit (yellow arrows indicated in the picture) and when earth is supposedly changing its direction, why is never any shift in the water bodies on earth?

Thanks for reading

Interesting point, however, "Earth's orbit has an eccentricity of less than 0.02, which means that it is very close to being circular. That is why the difference between the Earth's distance from the Sun at perihelion and aphelion is very little – less than 5 million km...While it is true that Earth does have a perihelion, or point at which it is closest to the sun, and an aphelion, its farthest point from the Sun, the difference between these distances is too minimal to have any significant impact on the Earth's seasons and climate."

Presumably tides as well.

https://phys.org/news/2014-11-earth-orbit-sun.html


Title: Re: Earth's Oval Orbit defies Science!
Post by: junker on December 18, 2018, 01:37:40 PM
This is not a FEM topic...

Moved.
Title: Re: Earth's Oval Orbit defies Science!
Post by: QED on March 15, 2019, 02:43:24 PM
A system with 80% water, will and have to obey all the rules of physics and hydro/fluid dynamics

If as claimed, earth is orbiting the sun, and if the orbit was a perfect circle, my discussion would be easily discarded and maybe obsolete, or at least hard to prove

But with an Oval orbit, things change drastically, especially when the acclaimed path is about to change direction at the farthest points

Water despite of the acclaimed gravity, should and must obey the laws of physics such as inertia and momentum, so at the farthest points of the acclaimed orbit, water should drastically shift on the earth to the outer side of the orbit as the earth makes its return towards the sun. Centripetal and centrifugal forces cannot be just acting on the surface of earth, if it was a globe, but they should be workable on the orbital level, hence the shift of all fluids massiv as oceans and seas should be very noticeable same as tides are.

At the farthest points of the orbit (yellow arrows indicated in the picture) and when earth is supposedly changing its direction, why is never any shift in the water bodies on earth?

Thanks for reading

Hmm, good question. If it’s moving in an ellipse, then it is constantly changing direction, ad the torque on it isn’t unique when at aphelion. So the water distribution would maintain its equipotential values at all times. In other words, the water has already moved due to this motion, and has settled to its lowest energy state already a long time ago.
Title: Re: Earth's Oval Orbit defies Science!
Post by: cedarpools on April 14, 2019, 02:23:29 AM
A system with 80% water, will and have to obey all the rules of physics and hydro/fluid dynamics

If as claimed, earth is orbiting the sun, and if the orbit was a perfect circle, my discussion would be easily discarded and maybe obsolete, or at least hard to prove

But with an Oval orbit, things change drastically, especially when the acclaimed path is about to change direction at the farthest points

Water despite of the acclaimed gravity, should and must obey the laws of physics such as inertia and momentum, so at the farthest points of the acclaimed orbit, water should drastically shift on the earth to the outer side of the orbit as the earth makes its return towards the sun. Centripetal and centrifugal forces cannot be just acting on the surface of earth, if it was a globe, but they should be workable on the orbital level, hence the shift of all fluids massiv as oceans and seas should be very noticeable same as tides are.

At the farthest points of the orbit (yellow arrows indicated in the picture) and when earth is supposedly changing its direction, why is never any shift in the water bodies on earth?

Thanks for reading

That's because everything on the earth is effected by the orbit.  Imagine this:  You throw a ball up in the air.  What does it experience at the top of its trajectory?  It feel weightless.  It actually feels weightless for its entire trajectory once it leaves your hand (when neglecting air resistance).  You can see the same thing with the Vomit Comit (https://cdn3.dogonews.com/pictures/9748/content/Vomit_comet.gif?1328997262).  The passengers experience zero Gs once the plane begins to accelerate towards the ground (even while still on an upward trajectory). 

In the case of the sun, everything on the earth is orbiting around the sun and experience the same force of acceleration to the sun.  Therefore, no differentials in acceleration are felt.
Title: Re: Earth's Oval Orbit defies Science!
Post by: markjo on April 14, 2019, 05:25:12 PM
A system with 80% water, will and have to obey all the rules of physics and hydro/fluid dynamics

If as claimed, earth is orbiting the sun, and if the orbit was a perfect circle, my discussion would be easily discarded and maybe obsolete, or at least hard to prove
One other problem with your premise:  The earth isn't 80% water.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/geophysical/chapter/the-composition-and-structure-of-earth/
Title: Re: Earth's Oval Orbit defies Science!
Post by: Science Supporter on April 14, 2019, 09:24:12 PM
Earth's eccentricity is only .016, so it's almost no difference.