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Title: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on November 15, 2018, 08:42:26 PM
So, here's the situation.My phone, an HTC One M9 is 3 and a half years old.  In the last few months, it's been shutting off suddenly.  Battery indicator is anywhere between 45% and 91% (average is about 70%) when it happens.  I'm pretty sure it's the battery and even a factory wipe didn't help.  My attempts to recalibrate the battery did not help.  When I charge it back up so it can boot, it reads the % that it was at when it lost power, unless I let it try to boot then power off a few times. (ie. I try to reboot it, watch it get into the process, then die) only the will it realize it's at 0%.  But even a full charge does nothing to help it.

So it's been shutting off randomly alot.  To the point where I've lost data because of it.  (nothing big, but things like bookmarks, settings, etc..)

So I have 2 options.1. Replace the battery.  That's 500Nok. (like $70)2. Get a new phone on a payment plan. (an additional $37 a month for 2 years)
My biggest unknown is: "How much damage does random poweroffs do to the other systems of a phone?"  Like, has it damaged the cpu or ram and I'll only have problems down the line?

What do you all think?
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: junker on November 15, 2018, 09:01:45 PM
There likely won't be damage.

If you don't need any newer features, then replace the battery. If you want the new hotness, get a new phone. Actually get a new battery and a new phone, keep the M9 as a backup.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Pete Svarrior on December 04, 2018, 09:38:16 PM
Concur with junker - damage is unlikely (you'd probably already be able to tell).

The biggest risk I can see is the potentiality of misdiagnosis - that is, if it's not the battery that's the problem, you might be wasting $70.

It honestly sounds like you've diagnosed it accurately, so I'd say the risk is minimal, but of course it's worth keeping in mind.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on December 05, 2018, 09:57:55 AM
Thanks you two.  I'm gonna take Junker's advice and get a new phone.  We wanna swap carriers anyway and said carrier has a 50% off first 3 months (of the phone bill) and even then its cheaper.


So I'm getting this:
https://consumer.huawei.com/en/phones/p20-pro/


Huawei p20 pro.  Its a good phone for the price and its very common despite the risk of China spying on me.


Then, once I get the funds, I'll spend the $30 to get a battery and tool kit. 
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on December 25, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
I ended up getting the mate20 pro for Christmas.  So far so good.  Threw in apex apex launcher and its working just fine.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 20, 2019, 11:32:36 AM
Well fuck me.

After Trump Ban, Huawei Phones Will Lose Access To Google Software https://n.pr/2WRpFwV


I rely on google.  So losing access to gmail and youtube and maps is not something I can handle.  So guess I need to see if I can find another phone and swap this...

Thanks Trump, ya asshole.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Pete Svarrior on May 21, 2019, 09:35:16 AM
I rely on google.  So losing access to gmail and youtube and maps is not something I can handle.  So guess I need to see if I can find another phone and swap this...
Slow down for a moment. A lot of the coverage surrounding this is extremely poor. I'll spare you my usual rant about how much I hate the press, but here's the long and short of it to the best of my understanding:

Current users of Huawei phones will not lose access to Google services - https://twitter.com/Android/status/1130313848332988421

The restriction that is most likely to affect you is a potential loss of access to security updates. Huawei needs to find a way to keep delivering these (most likely by switching to the base Android Open Source Project rather than Google's commercial version of it), and the US Govt. agreed to relax this restriction for 3 months, so Huawei have some time to figure this out. - https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18633171/huawei-software-updates-phones-google-android-commerce-department

tl;dr: Despite this being an obviously difficult political situation, everyone seems to be in agreement that individual customers shouldn't take the brunt of the damage.

Even though the Evening Standard is a British conservative rag, their article on this is at least not appalling: https://www.standard.co.uk/tech/huawei-google-ban-mean-for-huawei-phone-owners-a4146211.html

(Oh, and if Huawei doesn't sort their shit out in 3 months, you always have the option of switching to a community Android project)
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 21, 2019, 09:44:02 AM
Yeah, saw that.  Trump reversed course a bit but when it hit, it hit hard and fast.  Hence the stock price drops.

But still, its pretty harsh.  I'm actually wondering if its pro-republican even.

On one hand, you have "Fight the non-Americans!  Buy America!" Patriotism.
On the other hand you have the government literally telling business they can't conduct business with another business.  If it was the Chinese government, sure, thats another story but this is private entities being banned from engaging in the market of their choosing.  Which is usually what republicans are against.

Also, while I understand the fears, Google and facebook as well as the phone operators can(and do) spy on us as their leisure.  And I have yet to see proof that Huawei is spying for China.  Its all "Well, they could..."
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Toddler Thork on May 21, 2019, 10:14:12 AM
Well fuck me.

After Trump Ban, Huawei Phones Will Lose Access To Google Software https://n.pr/2WRpFwV


I rely on google.  So losing access to gmail and youtube and maps is not something I can handle.  So guess I need to see if I can find another phone and swap this...

Thanks Trump, ya asshole.

Another victory for Trump. He wants you to buy American you dummy. He's trying to close the trade deficit. He doesn't want you sending your dollars to China. That will make you poor. Trump is having to do this because you are too dim to work out that you should, given the choice, buy American where possible. That means more dollars in the US and more jobs. What an excellent president. I will admire him from afar being as he is unappreciated in his own land.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: markjo on May 21, 2019, 01:30:43 PM
Another victory for Trump. He wants you to buy American you dummy.
How many smart phones are actually made in the USA?  As near as I can tell, Motorola makes a few, and that's about it.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 21, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
Well fuck me.

After Trump Ban, Huawei Phones Will Lose Access To Google Software https://n.pr/2WRpFwV


I rely on google.  So losing access to gmail and youtube and maps is not something I can handle.  So guess I need to see if I can find another phone and swap this...

Thanks Trump, ya asshole.

Another victory for Trump. He wants you to buy American you dummy. He's trying to close the trade deficit. He doesn't want you sending your dollars to China. That will make you poor. Trump is having to do this because you are too dim to work out that you should, given the choice, buy American where possible. That means more dollars in the US and more jobs. What an excellent president. I will admire him from afar being as he is unappreciated in his own land.

I'm not buying an iphone.
Also, you hate google so what should I buy?  An HP?  Catapillar?
Also, if he was doing this to make me buy American, why only one Chinese company that isn't even in the American market?  Why not Samsung or Nokia?
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: junker on May 21, 2019, 05:32:37 PM
Also, if he was doing this to make me buy American, why only one Chinese company that isn't even in the American market?  Why not Samsung or Nokia?

It isn't only about phones. The goal is to prevent a Chinese company from being the dominant provider of next-gen "5G" network infrastructure (which Huawei is trying to do), among other things.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 21, 2019, 06:23:23 PM
Also, if he was doing this to make me buy American, why only one Chinese company that isn't even in the American market?  Why not Samsung or Nokia?

It isn't only about phones. The goal is to prevent a Chinese company from being the dominant provider of next-gen "5G" network infrastructure (which Huawei is trying to do), among other things.
I am aware but there are other ways.  Tariff the hell out of the tech or just support other 5G tech makers.

Also: free market and all that.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: junker on May 21, 2019, 06:53:24 PM
I am aware but there are other ways.  Tariff the hell out of the tech or just support other 5G tech makers.

Also: free market and all that.

I don't think that is particularly viable when Huawei is run by a CCP hardliner. It is obviously more nuanced than that, but there are implications well beyond free trade.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 21, 2019, 07:51:31 PM
I am aware but there are other ways.  Tariff the hell out of the tech or just support other 5G tech makers.

Also: free market and all that.

I don't think that is particularly viable when Huawei is run by a CCP hardliner. It is obviously more nuanced than that, but there are implications well beyond free trade.

I'm still salty about it. 
Besides, if America can't make a better 5G network, they shouldn't be dicks about it.  Yes yes I know, spying.  Honestly, I'd be shocked if the Chinese didn't have the same worry from American tech.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Mcmanama on May 28, 2019, 08:24:18 AM
In my own opinion, I think getting a new phone would be the better solution.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 28, 2019, 08:32:02 AM
In my own opinion, I think getting a new phone would be the better solution.
Maybe in 3 years when this one is up for replacement....
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Toddler Thork on May 28, 2019, 01:11:10 PM
5G might not happen.

Turns out 5G runs in the 24Ghz range. And weather satellites happen to run at 23.8GHz.

NASA, NOAA and a host of others have said if you create 5G it will create so much noise that we won't be able to predict the weather and that means no accurate weather for aircraft, shipping, hurricane warnings for cities ... basically lots of people will die. So 5G is going to need a major rethink.
https://news.sky.com/story/new-5g-network-could-interrupt-weather-forecast-satellites-11712100

You can't change the weather satellites frequency. 23.8Ghz is the frequency needed to detect water vapour ... a natural property. So 5G will have to shift ... or die and become 6G on a totally different wave band. But of course upping the frequency will shorten 5G's range even more and it is already a problem requiring a transmitter on every street corner.

I'm coming down on the side of no 5G ever.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 28, 2019, 03:50:59 PM
I like how Thork thinks meteorologists will prevail over corporate greed and corrupt governments.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Rama Set on May 28, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
I like how Thork thinks meteorologists will prevail over corporate greed and corrupt governments.

You don't think the DoD can trump Apple?
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: markjo on May 28, 2019, 05:25:57 PM
5G might not happen.

Turns out 5G runs in the 24Ghz range. And weather satellites happen to run at 23.8GHz.
Actually, 5G runs the current LTE spectrum (600MHz - 6GHz) as well as the 24 - 86GHz band.  The way I see it, all they need to do is bump the low end from 24GHz to 25GHz or so to provide enough side band room to avoid water vapor measurements.  Still probably a hard sell, but it seems like an easy enough solution.  It's not like the mm frequencies are going to work indoors anyway.

Also: https://www.rfsafe.com/5g-network-uses-nearly-same-frequency-as-weaponized-crowd-control-systems/
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 28, 2019, 08:11:46 PM
I like how Thork thinks meteorologists will prevail over corporate greed and corrupt governments.

You don't think the DoD can trump Apple?
Do you think Trump will allow America to back down from technological superiority?
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Rama Set on May 28, 2019, 08:15:59 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 28, 2019, 08:31:22 PM
Yes.
I admire your optimism.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Rama Set on May 28, 2019, 08:37:35 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I think he will allow it because he isn’t competent enough to guide this on his own and will listen to a General because someone will tell him it’s good for his popularity.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 28, 2019, 08:57:58 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I think he will allow it because he isn’t competent enough to guide this on his own and will listen to a General because someone will tell him it’s good for his popularity.

Ah but then other people (like Verizon, Apple, ect...) Will tell him how its safe and fine and we gotta beat the chineese.  Otherwise they'll win and his ban on Huawei will be for nothing.

Then someone needs to say "But then we can't predict good goof weather" and that'll end 5G.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Toddler Thork on May 29, 2019, 10:48:02 AM
I like how Thork thinks meteorologists will prevail over corporate greed and corrupt governments.
You don't think meteorologists make money literally selling predictions that don't even have to be correct?

It's the best racket on earth.

https://youtu.be/Qi1a5Tbw77E?t=8

You can literally get it completely wrong and no one sues you, no matter how wrong, how dangerous, how much damage, how many people weren't evacuated and how negligent you were. You just charge people for a new weather forecast the next day.

They sell to all the TV networks, app devs, military, aviation, shipping ... its a frickin' gold mine.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 29, 2019, 11:45:06 AM
I like how Thork thinks meteorologists will prevail over corporate greed and corrupt governments.
You don't think meteorologists make money literally selling predictions that don't even have to be correct?

It's the best racket on earth.

https://youtu.be/Qi1a5Tbw77E?t=8

You can literally get it completely wrong and no one sues you, no matter how wrong, how dangerous, how much damage, how many people weren't evacuated and how negligent you were. You just charge people for a new weather forecast the next day.

They sell to all the TV networks, app devs, military, aviation, shipping ... its a frickin' gold mine.

If it doesn't matter if its right, why does it matter if their sattelites get interferance?
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Toddler Thork on May 29, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
They will see 'water vapour' everywhere. The forecast is going to be rain all day everywhere on earth forever.

I think even you could understand why that might be undesirable.
Title: Re: New Phone or Fix old one- advice request
Post by: Lord Dave on May 29, 2019, 07:00:24 PM
They will see 'water vapour' everywhere. The forecast is going to be rain all day everywhere on earth forever.

I think even you could understand why that might be undesirable.
The UK won't notice.