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Title: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Evin on October 01, 2018, 11:44:35 PM
Look this video got sent to me the other day and i am no expert on video stuff, so like i figure they are using ropes and stuff, but like i said, i am not confident in my argument on how they faked this... only that they DID!

Anyone whos interested take a look, I probably missed something, god be with ye all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTmdIhYnes
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: J-Man on October 02, 2018, 03:40:51 AM
The guy does a decent job but you can only tell he is stressed to the max trying to keep his head square to his shoulders throughout the video. Veins are popping out of his neck as he corrects the natural tendency to tilt your head up from the flat earth.

With trillions in funny money, NASA can create anything and all, well not all but most will believe the garbage.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on October 02, 2018, 10:28:58 AM
The guy does a decent job but you can only tell he is stressed to the max trying to keep his head square to his shoulders throughout the video. Veins are popping out of his neck as he corrects the natural tendency to tilt your head up from the flat earth.

With trillions in funny money, NASA can create anything and all, well not all but most will believe the garbage.
I'm curious as to where NASA gets these "trillions in funny money" from when:
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Annual budget
Seen in the year-by-year breakdown listed below, the total amounts (in nominal dollars) that NASA has been budgeted from 1958 to 2018 amounts to $601.31 billion.
Who's paying them the rest?
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 02, 2018, 11:23:22 AM
- The satellite industry is a $200 Billion per year industry.

- NASA operates research labs that create hundreds of inventions per year, which they patent and lease to industry. There was a report which stated that NASA makes a median of $1M/year from each invention.

Look at page ii on this 2013 NASA Socio-Economic Impacts Report (https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/SEINSI.pdf) --

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Spurs Innovation and Business Growth

- 1,600 new technologies reported in 2012
- 2,200 tech transfer transactions in 2012
- $1M annually per spinoff (median, based on small study)
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Mysfit on October 02, 2018, 12:54:30 PM
$1m in a year? So they will need to make realistic CG on a $1m budget. Going to compare to Avatar, then.
Avatar budget $237m for 2h 42m (not all CG budget, but both vids would need actors).
for $1m we get 0.7m. That video is 50mins long... I'll do the maths again... Well. *takes calculator home*

Back on topic - How did the NASA fat cats fake this video?
I'll give it a go.
It is all underwater, with the bubbles CG'd out.

I hope that explanation helps.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on October 02, 2018, 01:09:29 PM
I've yet to see any actual analysis on any videos of this sort by an expert in the field to show fakery.
It's all speculation and supposition.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Evin on October 02, 2018, 04:32:18 PM
Interesting arguments here, i hadn't pickup up on the strain he seems to be under trying to keep himself "Weightless", from this it seems it might just be very clever cable work and cgi.... And i can't rule it out because who knows what they can and can't do, but the underwater idea seems a little far fetched, just because of the huge amount of crew resources and money needed, it would just be easier to green screen it or something, because by the time you have removed all the water in post i can't imagine there being much useable video left, also between all the various "Astronauts" there is a lot of this well produced video being released every day, so even with their funny money, time would still be an issue trying to edit all these to near perfection and distributed, Unless someone can convince me otherwise, i am going to stand by my theory of a well designed set, with an immense amount of cable work and some clever CGI.

Thanks all who responded
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: J-Man on October 02, 2018, 05:59:33 PM
No gang, trillions....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2017/12/08/has-our-government-spent-21-trillion-of-our-money-without-telling-us/#187d8c7b7aef

Let me explain some basic accounting. Magic... While the DOD is not NASA, one can easily see why what NASA does and works for can be justified as National Security and thus fall under Dept of Defense, You know, the ISS and Russians in it. Write the check to everyone to fund it from the DOD. NASA looks for Aliens, those are National Security and our defense must be up to some par. Write the check. One can dream up any commingle of funds between dept's. A hooker, scotch and toothbrush in Moscow could be National Security and fall under the missing $21 Trillion. Don't be ignorant, NASA spends trillions protecting you and making subcontractors rich and their private majority shareholders :) It's how the rich got richer. Dream it up.

BTW did you send in your tax deposit...they want all your money ! Slave, ignorant slaves is all we are.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on October 02, 2018, 09:02:07 PM
I've only watched bits of the first 10 minutes but it's interesting how often he lets go of the iPad and lets it float and rotate.
If they are faking it they're going out of their way to make it difficult for themselves.

Has any analysis been done from an actual expert in this area to determine fakery or is it just all baseless supposition?
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on October 02, 2018, 10:02:50 PM
I've only watched bits of the first 10 minutes but it's interesting how often he lets go of the iPad and lets it float and rotate.
If they are faking it they're going out of their way to make it difficult for themselves.

Has any analysis been done from an actual expert in this area to determine fakery or is it just all baseless supposition?

The main supposition is that this is CGI. Which would be the most reasonable explanation (aside from it actually being real). However, there is a lot to take into consideration. Having worked in the CG FX biz, to manifest realistic green screen effects is extremely labor intensive and complex. Additionally adding in object motion graphics, again, realistically, is equally so. For instance, aside from the artistry involved in doing so, the shear effort here for a 50 minute single shot is unequaled by anything we can accomplish today, technologically/cinematically.

Take for example, a single 10 second FX shot in the movie 'The Martian' took about 2 days to render using a large server farm. The computing power needed to render a 50 minute non-static shot with human and inanimate objects, backgrounds, etc., is beyond staggering. Not to mention the army of artists needed to accomplish this. Seemingly, it’s literally easier to believe this is real than believe it’s CGI.

I’m not saying it isn’t CGI, but the likelihood that it is doesn’t even remotely fit with reality as to the state of FX today.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: nickrulercreator on October 02, 2018, 10:17:31 PM
The guy does a decent job but you can only tell he is stressed to the max trying to keep his head square to his shoulders throughout the video. Veins are popping out of his neck as he corrects the natural tendency to tilt your head up from the flat earth.

With trillions in funny money, NASA can create anything and all, well not all but most will believe the garbage.

Money doesn't fix everything, J-Man. Also, how can we know that he is red from being stressed? Could it not be that there's no gravity on the ISS pulling the blood to his legs like there is on Earth? Why would he need to keep his head square to his shoulders? What natural tendency makes us tilt our head up?
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Mysfit on October 12, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2017/12/08/has-our-government-spent-21-trillion-of-our-money-without-telling-us/#187d8c7b7aef
I bothered to look into this. 6.5 trillion USD snuck away in military budgets. That is pretty sneaky. It's not 21 trillion, but still sneaky.
Lemme adjust my Avatar CG maths.
Avatar budget $0.237b for 2h 42m (not all CG budget, but both vids would need actors).
for $6500b we get just over 74,000 hours. That's that video sorted. *dusts hands*

Oh? Other videos are posted every day? Best check those. "gopro space" should be a good enough search term.
Almost 4m results. I'll average from the first ten results for average length... 18.5 mins. Making progress
so, 4m times 1/4 hour... 1million hours of footage.

1m - 74k is 900k and change.
I think we need the rest of the budget.
Another 70 trillion USD, i think.
I've said it before, most conspiracies starve at the money stage. Even with conspiracy money, it seems

Slave, ignorant slaves is all we are.
Don't lump me in. I'm doing the maths.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MiraculumHelix on October 15, 2018, 07:18:13 AM
This is fake. Point blank. We don't need to debunk anything. THey need to PROOF their case, not the other way around. Because the flat earth model is older than the round earth, therefor THEY need to proof, not us.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: nickrulercreator on October 15, 2018, 09:37:48 PM
This is fake. Point blank. We don't need to debunk anything. THey need to PROOF their case, not the other way around. Because the flat earth model is older than the round earth, therefor THEY need to proof, not us.

That's not how any of this works. It's the flat earthers trying to debunk it, and claim it's fake. It's their responsibility to prove it's fake. Age has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on October 16, 2018, 08:12:01 AM
Age has nothing to do with it.
If anything, it's an argument against FE.
The concept of there only being 4 elements - earth, water, fire, air - predates the periodic table.
Generally better, more accurate models supplant old ones. Not always, but tends to be the case.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on October 24, 2018, 02:39:48 PM
This is fake. Point blank. We don't need to debunk anything. THey need to PROOF their case, not the other way around. Because the flat earth model is older than the round earth, therefor THEY need to proof, not us.
Can't tell if this is just trolling but they didn't make the video to prove space travel is real, they aren't trying to prove you wrong. In fact it's generally accepted that it's real so when you say it's fake, it falls on you to prove it.

Also, the OP literally asked to try to debunk it... So again try to debunk it rather than just saying "FAKE FAKE FAKE" because that's not proof. You provided less evidence that it's fake than the video provided to prove it's self real... because the video exists and you literally have nothing to prove it to be fake. Therefor you 0 - video 1. I guess you now need to give at least one valid point that it's fake otherwise it's real by default.

 
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 24, 2018, 03:41:09 PM
This is fake. Point blank. We don't need to debunk anything. THey need to PROOF their case, not the other way around. Because the flat earth model is older than the round earth, therefor THEY need to proof, not us.
...In fact it's generally accepted that it's real so when you say it's fake, it falls on you to prove it...
Errr...

This is entitled argumentum ad populum.

It is a logical fallacy and therefore negates your demand for proof.
Also, the OP literally asked to try to debunk it... So again try to debunk it rather than just saying "FAKE FAKE FAKE" because that's not proof. You provided less evidence that it's fake than the video provided to prove it's self real... because the video exists and you literally have nothing to prove it to be fake. Therefor you 0 - video 1. I guess you now need to give at least one valid point that it's fake otherwise it's real by default.
The only accuracy within your post is the video does exist in reality.

The depiction of events may or may not be true but as of right now the only thing in support of the depiction is your word, much the same as MiraculumHelix's word is in support of it being false.

So, the true score is:

1 for the video existing
0 for you
0 for MiraculumHelix.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on October 24, 2018, 03:59:11 PM
You can spot the ISS by eye using a telescope, it's up there orbiting. That is a fact. You can see it, you can track it. So yes, it is generally accepted to be a fact that it's up there under zero gravity because it is.

That isn't argumentum ad populum, that would be something like saying cracking your knuckles gives you arthritis because that's what your grandparents told your parents who told you (it doesn't give you arthritis, thats a myth for another time) or that milk makes your bones strong (it doesn't).
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on October 24, 2018, 08:40:55 PM
No gang, trillions....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2017/12/08/has-our-government-spent-21-trillion-of-our-money-without-telling-us/#187d8c7b7aef

Let me explain some basic accounting. Magic... While the DOD is not NASA, one can easily see why what NASA does and works for can be justified as National Security and thus fall under Dept of Defense, You know, the ISS and Russians in it. Write the check to everyone to fund it from the DOD. NASA looks for Aliens, those are National Security and our defense must be up to some par. Write the check. One can dream up any commingle of funds between dept's. A hooker, scotch and toothbrush in Moscow could be National Security and fall under the missing $21 Trillion. Don't be ignorant, NASA spends trillions protecting you and making subcontractors rich and their private majority shareholders :) It's how the rich got richer. Dream it up.

BTW did you send in your tax deposit...they want all your money ! Slave, ignorant slaves is all we are.

If NASA is producing fake videos, does that mean all the other countries are making fake videos to the tune of millions and millions of dollars as well?

 Many countries now produce HD photos and videos all day every day of the Earth from space.  Many are live and can be compared to live weather radar Imaging. 
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on October 24, 2018, 09:23:24 PM
Interesting arguments here, i hadn't pickup up on the strain he seems to be under trying to keep himself "Weightless", from this it seems it might just be very clever cable work and cgi.... And i can't rule it out because who knows what they can and can't do, but the underwater idea seems a little far fetched, just because of the huge amount of crew resources and money needed, it would just be easier to green screen it or something, because by the time you have removed all the water in post i can't imagine there being much useable video left, also between all the various "Astronauts" there is a lot of this well produced video being released every day, so even with their funny money, time would still be an issue trying to edit all these to near perfection and distributed, Unless someone can convince me otherwise, i am going to stand by my theory of a well designed set, with an immense amount of cable work and some clever CGI.

Thanks all who responded


If space travel is real, what evidence would you have to see to be convinced? Is it a fact that you won't believe it no matter what evidence you are presented with?

Why don't you just tell us what you would have to presented with before you believe?

Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: iamcpc on October 24, 2018, 10:29:20 PM
Look this video got sent to me the other day and i am no expert on video stuff, so like i figure they are using ropes and stuff, but like i said, i am not confident in my argument on how they faked this... only that they DID!

Anyone whos interested take a look, I probably missed something, god be with ye all


I really don't know. I would say green screen/CGI but the problem that I run into is that there are videos like this from 1990 before CGI and modern video editing technology. If CGI/video editing explains this what explains videos like this from way before CGI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdCR1XqPXK4
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on October 24, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Look this video got sent to me the other day and i am no expert on video stuff, so like i figure they are using ropes and stuff, but like i said, i am not confident in my argument on how they faked this... only that they DID!

Anyone whos interested take a look, I probably missed something, god be with ye all


I really don't know. I would say green screen/CGI but the problem that I run into is that there are videos like this from 1990 before CGI and modern video editing technology. If CGI/video editing explains this what explains videos like this from way before CGI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdCR1XqPXK4

Some pretty amazing CGI was developed for cinema back in the 90's (See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television#1990s).

However, even when we watch the hours of footage, some live and some not, of space stuff today, let alone in the 90's, for it to be CGI, the computing power to do so is currently unimaginable. A believable 10 second shot today in a movie of, let's say, an astronaut and maybe some other stuff floating around, takes a server farm and days to render. 10 seconds, days! Let alone the $, artists involved. Like I've said before, it's actually more technologically feasible, cheaper and easier to put some people in space than it is to fake it.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 25, 2018, 10:29:20 AM
You can spot the ISS by eye using a telescope, it's up there orbiting. That is a fact. You can see it, you can track it. So yes, it is generally accepted to be a fact that it's up there under zero gravity because it is.
Oh, my apologies.../sarcasm

The video does not show the ISS orbiting, does it?

The video content is related to events supposedly taking place in the ISS.
That isn't argumentum ad populum, that would be something like saying cracking your knuckles gives you arthritis because that's what your grandparents told your parents who told you (it doesn't give you arthritis, thats a myth for another time) or that milk makes your bones strong (it doesn't).
You can protest all you like and you can offer whatever spin you choose to offer; however...

You offered argumentum ad populum and it is that simple.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on October 25, 2018, 01:17:30 PM
You can spot the ISS by eye using a telescope, it's up there orbiting. That is a fact. You can see it, you can track it. So yes, it is generally accepted to be a fact that it's up there under zero gravity because it is.
Oh, my apologies.../sarcasm

The video does not show the ISS orbiting, does it?

The video content is related to events supposedly taking place in the ISS.
That isn't argumentum ad populum, that would be something like saying cracking your knuckles gives you arthritis because that's what your grandparents told your parents who told you (it doesn't give you arthritis, thats a myth for another time) or that milk makes your bones strong (it doesn't).
You can protest all you like and you can offer whatever spin you choose to offer; however...

You offered argumentum ad populum and it is that simple.
Not at all, the evidence that the ISS exists is absolute, so why wouldn't there be people in the ISS? if the ISS is up there orbiting  why wouldn't the people in the ISS be floating as well? You can literally see that it exists, there's no need for NASA or anyone else to make a fake video to try tricking everyone into believing it when we can literally see it for ourselves with our own eyes.

So let me ask you, with all of the evidence clearly stacked in favour of the video being real, what actual evidence do any of you here have that it's fake other than cop out answers like "CGI" or "strings holding the people up but we can't see". Give solid proof the ISS isn't up there, floating above us with people on board. You can't, because there is none.

Shouting "FAKE" doesn't make something fake, ignoring all the solid evidence and proof doesn't make it fake. Your argument is idiotic. I've seen the ISS myself, you can see it for yourself. heck soon you can even go on commercial flights into space where you can feel for yourself the lack of gravity.

https://www.virgingalactic.com/research/

And no, saying you cant afford it is not a reason for it to be fake.

I'm not in any way saying "it must be real, everyone else thinks it is!" I'm saying it's real because we can all see the obvious proof that it is.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on October 25, 2018, 01:58:16 PM
I don't think it's incumbent on anyone to prove that videos are real IF the video is of something which is generally agreed to be real.
So if I took some film of a car going along a road I don't think I should have to go out of my way to prove it isn't faked.
We all accept that roads are a thing and that cars go along them.
If the car was a DeLorean and when it got to 88mph it disappeared in a trail of flames though then I think it would be up to me to show that was real and wasn't faked somehow because this is not a common experience.
Footage from the ISS is a bit of a grey area, not many people - compared with the population of earth - have been to the ISS. But space travel is generally accepted as a thing, footage from space from multiple countries has been widely available for decades, we are used to seeing footage of weightless astronauts in orbit, the ISS is visible from earth.
So, on balance, I think if people are going to call it fake then they're going to have to do better than just shout "fake" and run away.
All you get is vague assertions, I've not seen any solid analysis from an expert in this sort of thing claiming that these videos are fake.
And the people claiming they are fake do have an agenda - in order for FE to be a thing, the ISS can't be. But the only "evidence" I've heard for fakery are arguments from incredulity or vague assertions.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: RonJ on October 25, 2018, 03:11:05 PM
If you want, you can consult radioreference.com and they will clue you in on how to listen to the ISS on your own radio.  I did this many years ago and actually heard radio traffic from space myself.  Again, this is not proof.  The government could be up in airplanes with a radio from time to time and simulating a conversation with someone on the ground.  If my wife sent me out to get a loaf of bread at the local grocery store and I came back and told her that the store was out of bread, how could I 'prove' that I actually went out and looked and didn't just go to the local bar?  I can imagine that there were people at the dock when Columbus left on his trip who thought that he was just going to sail off the edge of the earth.  Time proved that the prediction wasn't true.  Now fast forward a couple hundred years.  Mankind is trying to cobble together the technology the leave the earth.  The most likely destination will be Mars.  People, again, are worried that the first space explorers will be 'sailing' off and will 'fall off the edge'.  Past history can't prove anything that will be happening in the future, but that's the way to bet.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 25, 2018, 03:40:21 PM
You can spot the ISS by eye using a telescope, it's up there orbiting. That is a fact. You can see it, you can track it. So yes, it is generally accepted to be a fact that it's up there under zero gravity because it is.
Oh, my apologies.../sarcasm

The video does not show the ISS orbiting, does it?

The video content is related to events supposedly taking place in the ISS.
That isn't argumentum ad populum, that would be something like saying cracking your knuckles gives you arthritis because that's what your grandparents told your parents who told you (it doesn't give you arthritis, thats a myth for another time) or that milk makes your bones strong (it doesn't).
You can protest all you like and you can offer whatever spin you choose to offer; however...

You offered argumentum ad populum and it is that simple.
Not at all, the evidence that the ISS exists is absolute, so why wouldn't there be people in the ISS?
First, the evidence is simply not absolute.

B, you have never heard of unmanned vehicles operating overhead?
if the ISS is up there orbiting  why wouldn't the people in the ISS be floating as well? You can literally see that it exists, there's no need for NASA or anyone else to make a fake video to try tricking everyone into believing it when we can literally see it for ourselves with our own eyes.
No, you cannot see it with your own eyes...

At best, you need some sort of visual aid.
So let me ask you, with all of the evidence clearly stacked in favour of the video being real...
Wrong.
...what actual evidence do any of you here have that it's fake other than cop out answers like "CGI" or "strings holding the people up but we can't see". Give solid proof the ISS isn't up there, floating above us with people on board. You can't, because there is none.
Aside from conflating evidence with proof, the fact a video exists does not = proof the content of the video is real.

Simply issuing a statement the contents are real does not constitute evidence or proof the contents are real.
Shouting "FAKE" doesn't make something fake, ignoring all the solid evidence and proof doesn't make it fake.
Aside from no proof, I have not shouted anything.

Neither have I made an argument as to whether the contents are real or not.

All I have pointed out is the fallacy in your argumentation.
Your argument is idiotic.
Your argument is fallacious.
I've seen the ISS myself, you can see it for yourself. heck soon you can even go on commercial flights into space where you can feel for yourself the lack of gravity.

https://www.virgingalactic.com/research/
Yeah, right...
And no, saying you cant afford it is not a reason for it to be fake.
How about pointing out the clear fact that none of these flights for the discerning consumer has yet to take place, despite the ever present promises?
I'm not in any way saying "it must be real, everyone else thinks it is!" I'm saying it's real because we can all see the obvious proof that it is.
No...

You are claiming the video contents are a true depiction of events taking place in environment which you have no evidence actually exists, other than an appeal to numbers...
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 25, 2018, 03:42:47 PM
I don't think it's incumbent on anyone to prove that videos are real IF the video is of something which is generally agreed to be real.
So if I took some film of a car going along a road I don't think I should have to go out of my way to prove it isn't faked.
We all accept that roads are a thing and that cars go along them.
If the car was a DeLorean and when it got to 88mph it disappeared in a trail of flames though then I think it would be up to me to show that was real and wasn't faked somehow because this is not a common experience.
Footage from the ISS is a bit of a grey area, not many people - compared with the population of earth - have been to the ISS. But space travel is generally accepted as a thing, footage from space from multiple countries has been widely available for decades, we are used to seeing footage of weightless astronauts in orbit, the ISS is visible from earth.
So, on balance, I think if people are going to call it fake then they're going to have to do better than just shout "fake" and run away.
All you get is vague assertions, I've not seen any solid analysis from an expert in this sort of thing claiming that these videos are fake.
And the people claiming they are fake do have an agenda - in order for FE to be a thing, the ISS can't be. But the only "evidence" I've heard for fakery are arguments from incredulity or vague assertions.
First, any particular video would need to be examined to determine veracity.

And that is what this thread is about...

One particular video.

B, whether or not the ISS exists has nothing to with the shape of the earth.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on October 25, 2018, 03:53:05 PM
"No, you cannot see it with your own eyes...

At best, you need some sort of visual aid."

Do yourself a favour and get a decent telescope or camera with a decent zoom. Anyone can do that. The ISS is visible with the naked eye and it can be tracked easily enough if you just go to an ISS tracking website, you can find where it's going to be, go there and look up.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-see-the-ISS-through-a-telescope
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: RonJ on October 25, 2018, 04:40:21 PM
The shape of the earth has everything to do with the ISS.  The whole idea of the ISS and all the videos that have been taken is mutually exclusive with FET.  If one thing is true, then the other has to be fake.  In theory the ISS could orbit a global earth and use the force of gravity just like all the equations say. The whole idea is simple and has been known for 100s of years. Since with FET there is no gravity on earth and we are all held here by the force of UA then two other options are possible.   An attempt to go around the edge could happen, since there is no dome.  To stay in an 'edge to edge' orbit you would have to have a continuous fuel burn since you have no pull of gravity.  Since the ISS can only carry a finite amount of fuel it would have a short expected life span.  The other option would be to stay in a circular path around the top of the flat earth, just like the sun and moon.  Again, 'Houston, we have a problem'.   That would mean in order for the ISS to stay above a flat earth in a circle, the rockets would have to be going continuously.  I guess you could repeal Newton's 2nd law, but I fear that you just wouldn't be able to fool 'Mother Nature'.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 26, 2018, 11:12:12 AM
"No, you cannot see it with your own eyes...

At best, you need some sort of visual aid."

Do yourself a favour and get a decent telescope or camera with a decent zoom. Anyone can do that. The ISS is visible with the naked eye
No it isn't.
... and it can be tracked easily enough if you just go to an ISS tracking website, you can find where it's going to be, go there and look up.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-see-the-ISS-through-a-telescope
None of this has anything to do with the OP video.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 26, 2018, 11:14:08 AM
The shape of the earth has everything to do with the ISS.  The whole idea of the ISS and all the videos that have been taken is mutually exclusive with FET.  If one thing is true, then the other has to be fake.  In theory the ISS could orbit a global earth and use the force of gravity just like all the equations say. The whole idea is simple and has been known for 100s of years. Since with FET there is no gravity on earth and we are all held here by the force of UA then two other options are possible.   An attempt to go around the edge could happen, since there is no dome.  To stay in an 'edge to edge' orbit you would have to have a continuous fuel burn since you have no pull of gravity.  Since the ISS can only carry a finite amount of fuel it would have a short expected life span.  The other option would be to stay in a circular path around the top of the flat earth, just like the sun and moon.  Again, 'Houston, we have a problem'.   That would mean in order for the ISS to stay above a flat earth in a circle, the rockets would have to be going continuously.  I guess you could repeal Newton's 2nd law, but I fear that you just wouldn't be able to fool 'Mother Nature'.
All speculation posted by you.

But thank you for your submission.

Rockets would not necessarily be a requirement for any object circling above our heads.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on October 26, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
Yes, it is visible. you can say it isn't but it's pretty common knowledge and testable yourself by looking up... It seems to be common practice for FE people to argue this way... Using your own argument style against you, I could say you don't have a brain. Just because it's assumed you do have a brain doesn't mean you have one. Have you seen your own brain? No? Oh I guess your brain isn't real and it's all up to you now to prove it's real. I would say go get a CT scan but how do we know that technology isn't made to make us think you have a brain in some big conspiracy? I guess with that said, Flat earthers under their own methods don't have brains!

Nothing to do with this thread? A thread trying to prove ISS isn't orbiting the earth in lower gravity? You're saying pointing out the ISS being there isn't anything to do with the ISS videos being faked? They could spend a ton of money and lots of time and resources trying to fake a video just to deceive you for now reason OR maybe they could just go up the the ISS that we can all see exists, with a camera, and record a video on it for other purposes that aren't a total waste of time.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 26, 2018, 12:43:48 PM
Yes, it is visible. you can say it isn't but it's pretty common knowledge and testable yourself by looking up... It seems to be common practice for FE people to argue this way... Using your own argument style against you, I could say you don't have a brain. Just because it's assumed you do have a brain doesn't mean you have one. Have you seen your own brain? No? Oh I guess your brain isn't real and it's all up to you now to prove it's real. I would say go get a CT scan but how do we know that technology isn't made to make us think you have a brain in some big conspiracy? I guess with that said, Flat earthers under their own methods don't have brains!
It seems quite easy for you to conflate ideas and concepts that have absolutely zero connection.

First, visibility of the ISS  has absolutely nothing to do with the OP video.

B, it is simply impossible (by the naked human eye) to resolve an object the size of the ISS at a distance of 300km.

That is just plain fact.
Nothing to do with this thread? A thread trying to prove ISS isn't orbiting the earth in lower gravity? You're saying pointing out the ISS being there isn't anything to do with the ISS videos being faked? They could spend a ton of money and lots of time and resources trying to fake a video just to deceive you for now reason OR maybe they could just go up the the ISS that we can all see exists, with a camera, and record a video on it for other purposes that aren't a total waste of time.

The thread title is: "Help me debunk this stupid video"

The OP: "Look this video got sent to me the other day and i am no expert on video stuff, so like i figure they are using ropes and stuff, but like i said, i am not confident in my argument on how they faked this... only that they DID! Anyone whos interested take a look, I probably missed something, god be with ye all ""

The other post made by the author of the OP: "Inteesting arguments here, i hadn't pickup up on the strain he seems to be under trying to keep himself "Weightless", from this it seems it might just be very clever cable work and cgi.... And i can't rule it out because who knows what they can and can't do, but the underwater idea seems a little far fetched, just because of the huge amount of crew resources and money needed, it would just be easier to green screen it or something, because by the time you have removed all the water in post i can't imagine there being much useable video left, also between all the various "Astronauts" there is a lot of this well produced video being released every day, so even with their funny money, time would still be an issue trying to edit all these to near perfection and distributed, Unless someone can convince me otherwise, i am going to stand by my theory of a well designed set, with an immense amount of cable work and some clever CGI.

Thanks all who responded"

My apologies, but kindly point out where the OP states the purpose of the thread is, "...trying to prove ISS isn't orbiting the earth in lower gravity."

You are terrific at building strawmen.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Mysfit on October 26, 2018, 12:49:40 PM
I think we have failed with the original OP's request.
We have not been able to disprove the video. Least of all by budget.
First, visibility of the ISS  has absolutely nothing to do with the OP video.
...
My apologies, but kindly point out where the OP states the purpose of the thread is, "...trying to prove ISS isn't orbiting the earth in lower gravity."
How much further before we can consider it evidence of what it is? Proof of a man-made installation in low-if-not-zero G space
Does the OP have an "it's dead" threshold in mind?
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 26, 2018, 12:56:33 PM
I think we have failed with the original OP's request.
We have not been able to disprove the video. Least of all by budget.
First, visibility of the ISS  has absolutely nothing to do with the OP video.
...
My apologies, but kindly point out where the OP states the purpose of the thread is, "...trying to prove ISS isn't orbiting the earth in lower gravity."
How much further before we can consider it evidence of what it is? Proof of a man-made installation in low-if-not-zero G space
Does the OP have an "it's dead" threshold in mind?
I am not a video expert.

I cannot help the OP debunk the video.

I am unaware the OP was looking for further thresholds.

Further, I have read all the responses dismissive of the idea it could be special effects or green screened. I would simply offer the motion picture Gravity as evidence any short video would be easily produced and just as effective in deceiving an audience.

Gravity was produced on a budget of only $100 million USD, a fraction of the budgets realized by all space agencies across the flat earth.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Mysfit on October 26, 2018, 01:17:26 PM
Further, I have read all the responses dismissive of the idea it could be special effects or green screened. I would simply offer the motion picture Gravity as evidence any short video would be easily produced and just as effective in deceiving an audience.

Gravity was produced on a budget of only $100 million USD, a fraction of the budgets realized by all space agencies across the flat earth.
I'm not sure Gravity is a good pick, even Neil De Grasse Tyson (probly spelled that wrong) pointed out that the lady's hair was all wrong. I originally went with Avatar, as the CG would have to be top-notch and I assume alot of the money goes into covering such a thing up etc.
Tom originally brought up a budget of $1m a year, which i put into my Disney hercules calculator
$1m in a year? So they will need to make realistic CG on a $1m budget. Going to compare to Avatar, then.
Avatar budget $237m for 2h 42m (not all CG budget, but both vids would need actors).
for $1m we get 0.7m. That video is 50mins long... I'll do the maths again... Well. *takes calculator home*
J-man then included conspiracy money, but my calculator was still on hand.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2017/12/08/has-our-government-spent-21-trillion-of-our-money-without-telling-us/#187d8c7b7aef
I bothered to look into this. 6.5 trillion USD snuck away in military budgets. That is pretty sneaky. It's not 21 trillion, but still sneaky.
Lemme adjust my Avatar CG maths.
Avatar budget $0.237b for 2h 42m (not all CG budget, but both vids would need actors).
for $6500b we get just over 74,000 hours. That's that video sorted. *dusts hands*

Oh? Other videos are posted every day? Best check those. "gopro space" should be a good enough search term.
Almost 4m results. I'll average from the first ten results for average length... 18.5 mins. Making progress
so, 4m times 1/4 hour... 1million hours of footage.

1m - 74k is 900k and change.
I think we need the rest of the budget.
Another 70 trillion USD, i think.
Conspiracies ALWAYS struggle at the money stage. Too many people, too much work and not enough bullets in the world.
Bearing in mind that if I was a part of a conspiracy, I would demand lots of money. You don't see many billionaire astronauts
A quick google search shows they get paid $65-100k... officially. I would demand more money officially, too.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on October 26, 2018, 01:30:28 PM
I'd say the technology is there to fake these videos but it would take a lot of effort to do it and I've not seen any actual analysis which suggests that is what has happened, just a lot of supposition.

And film of astronauts in zero G has been around since the 60s, I'd suggest the parts with multiple astronauts would have been very hard to fake then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjvmXLyrtjM
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Bobby Shafto on October 26, 2018, 01:45:55 PM
The ISS can be seen with the naked eye.

Not like this:
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/24b5gzm.jpg)

But like this:
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/259ea04.jpg)

https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/ (https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/)

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Edit:
ISS tracker says I have a 4-5 minute pre-dawn window during which I should be able to catch a low-elevation pass of the ISS. Clear skies permitting, I'll see if I can capture a 50mm-equivalent focal length (naked eye) video of what is predicted.

(http://oi67.tinypic.com/2mhtnqv.jpg)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/QKkA28tQwSSQQtXiac/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: iamcpc on October 26, 2018, 09:25:08 PM

Some pretty amazing CGI was developed for cinema back in the 90's (See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television#1990s).

However, even when we watch the hours of footage, some live and some not, of space stuff today, let alone in the 90's, for it to be CGI, the computing power to do so is currently unimaginable. A believable 10 second shot today in a movie of, let's say, an astronaut and maybe some other stuff floating around, takes a server farm and days to render. 10 seconds, days! Let alone the $, artists involved. Like I've said before, it's actually more technologically feasible, cheaper and easier to put some people in space than it is to fake it.

But you see terminator 2, robocop2, the lawnmower man etc you can CLEARLY tell that they are computer animated and not real.

Also in 1990 they didn't have server farms like they have today. VERY high end computers had like 8 MB of ram and like 200 MB of storage. early 90's super computer < 2018 smart phone.

How was 1990's technology (or even before that) able to produce this video (or other videos like it)?

My best guess is that they are on a 0 gravity plane ride where the plane accelerates down at 9.8 m/s giving the illusion of being weightless.

Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Mysfit on October 26, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
My best guess is that they are on a 0 gravity plane ride where the plane accelerates down at 9.8 m/s giving the illusion of being weightless.
Time to get the calculator out. Good thing this ancient thing is solar powered.

Right, so the video is 50 mins long (3000 seconds), falling at a rate of 9.8m/s/s...
so, assuming they were falling at rest at the start (instantly shooting to 9.8m/s/s)...
distance is 1/2 acceleration times time times time...
So, 4.9m/s/sx3000sx3000s gives us 44,000 km of falling.

Wait. How high is the ISS... 408km. They would have to be 100 times higher than the ISS to pretend be as high as the ISS.
We get into more problems when we consider that the FE Moon/Sun are 4828 km up. Why not land on the moon?

Wait. I realised they can do it in edits. Which now forces me to watch the whole thing to check for those (not a complete loss, not seen the inside of the ISS before).
There's a cut at 1:06... I'm at 24mins and I realized that the chunks need to be less than 5mins to be higher than ISS.
Cuts again at 28:08.
Curvature of the earth at 28:50 (can see my house from here)
Cut at 42:23
so, 3 cuts. In chunks: 1 min 6 seconds, 27 mins 2 seconds, 14 mins 15 seconds and 7 mins 58 seconds (give or take 2 seconds).

Only the first chunk would be workable. But your idea was still better than my underwater one. Touche
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Bobby Shafto on October 27, 2018, 02:41:39 PM
(http://oi67.tinypic.com/2mhtnqv.jpg)

Uploaded video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoS29WjWTBw). ISS appeared and transited the pre-dawn sky right on cue.

Even shows up on wide-angle captures from UCSD's HPWREN cameras on Black Mountain summit (actual light was not this bright; ISS appears as streak due to exposure)

(http://oi66.tinypic.com/1jvy55.jpg)
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/24wg6jb.jpg)

This was my first time looking for and seeing the ISS in person. 2nd brightest sky object after the gibbous moon. Very easy to see with naked eye.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on October 27, 2018, 06:25:39 PM

I would really rather see how someone could fake these videos from the 1960s.  This to me is more definitive proof which can’t just brushed off as fake cgi. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjvmXLyrtjM
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 29, 2018, 10:40:56 AM
I'm not sure Gravity is a good pick, even Neil De Grasse Tyson (probly spelled that wrong) pointed out that the lady's hair was all wrong.
Well, that may be Neil's opinion.

And it must be opinion as Neil has never been in space.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(2013_film)#Scientific_accuracy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(2013_film)#Scientific_accuracy) We have opinions of people who allege to have been in space:

"According to NASA Astronaut Michael J. Massimino, who took part in Hubble Space Telescope Servicing Missions STS-109 and STS-125, "nothing was out of place, nothing was missing. There was a one-of-a-kind wirecutter we used on one of my spacewalks and sure enough they had that wirecutter in the movie."[133]

"Astronaut Buzz Aldrin called the visual effects "remarkable", and said, "I was so extravagantly impressed by the portrayal of the reality of zero gravity."

"Former NASA astronaut Garrett Reisman said, "The pace and story was definitely engaging and I think it was the best use of the 3-D IMAX medium to date. Rather than using the medium as a gimmick, Gravity uses it to depict a real environment that is completely alien to most people. But the question that most people want me to answer is, how realistic was it? The very fact that the question is being asked so earnestly is a testament to the verisimilitude of the movie. When a bad science fiction movie comes out, no one bothers to ask me if it reminded me of the real thing."[135]"

Of course, at the source provided, there are people (including an astronaut and deGrasse-Tyson) offering there objections. Curious I find no mention of, "...hair was all wrong."
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 29, 2018, 10:42:51 AM
The ISS can be seen with the naked eye.
I correct my post to read for initial intent.

The ISS cannot be resolved to visual identification by the naked eye.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on October 29, 2018, 11:48:35 AM
I'm not sure Gravity is a good pick, even Neil De Grasse Tyson (probly spelled that wrong) pointed out that the lady's hair was all wrong.
Well, that may be Neil's opinion.

And it must be opinion as Neil has never been in space.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(2013_film)#Scientific_accuracy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(2013_film)#Scientific_accuracy) We have opinions of people who allege to have been in space:

"According to NASA Astronaut Michael J. Massimino, who took part in Hubble Space Telescope Servicing Missions STS-109 and STS-125, "nothing was out of place, nothing was missing. There was a one-of-a-kind wirecutter we used on one of my spacewalks and sure enough they had that wirecutter in the movie."[133]

"Astronaut Buzz Aldrin called the visual effects "remarkable", and said, "I was so extravagantly impressed by the portrayal of the reality of zero gravity."

"Former NASA astronaut Garrett Reisman said, "The pace and story was definitely engaging and I think it was the best use of the 3-D IMAX medium to date. Rather than using the medium as a gimmick, Gravity uses it to depict a real environment that is completely alien to most people. But the question that most people want me to answer is, how realistic was it? The very fact that the question is being asked so earnestly is a testament to the verisimilitude of the movie. When a bad science fiction movie comes out, no one bothers to ask me if it reminded me of the real thing."[135]"

Of course, at the source provided, there are people (including an astronaut and deGrasse-Tyson) offering there objections. Curious I find no mention of, "...hair was all wrong."
This is a confusing argument.
So...you think the ISS is faked? Ergo the footage from it is faked.
And your evidence that it is fake and that the faked footage from it is accurate is...testimony from astronauts at least one of whom has been on the ISS

 ???
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on October 29, 2018, 12:29:48 PM
The ISS can be seen with the naked eye.
I correct my post to read for initial intent.

The ISS cannot be resolved to visual identification by the naked eye.
Which is why you take a telescope, so when you see that bright light and then see it through a telescope. You can then see that it exists and also you can confirm what it is through a telescope. Stop being argumentative for the sake of it, you just come across as completely uneducated and in denial.

So with that out of the way, I'll ask again, if the ISS is up there orbiting, which we can all agree on, how can you possibly think the video is faked? They're up there orbiting with a lot less gravity in effect. It's also not the first video to show zero gravity and there is no way they could have faked them all. Simply put, it would be more effort to fake that video than it would be to just record the video on the ISS which again we  can all agree is up there in orbit...

So why would they fake it? it would take more time, more effort, more money and absolutely no gain compared to just being real. What kind of incentive do they have to fake a video like that? It would be pointless. You see the real reason you all want it to be fake is because it would be pretty hard to explain how  it's real when you think the earth is flat and gravity doesn't exist... There is literally more reason for you to want it to be fake than there is for them to want to fake it.

I'd like for anyone else to give a reason it cannot be real other than because you don't want it to be.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 29, 2018, 12:41:53 PM
I'm not sure Gravity is a good pick, even Neil De Grasse Tyson (probly spelled that wrong) pointed out that the lady's hair was all wrong.
Well, that may be Neil's opinion.

And it must be opinion as Neil has never been in space.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(2013_film)#Scientific_accuracy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(2013_film)#Scientific_accuracy) We have opinions of people who allege to have been in space:

"According to NASA Astronaut Michael J. Massimino, who took part in Hubble Space Telescope Servicing Missions STS-109 and STS-125, "nothing was out of place, nothing was missing. There was a one-of-a-kind wirecutter we used on one of my spacewalks and sure enough they had that wirecutter in the movie."[133]

"Astronaut Buzz Aldrin called the visual effects "remarkable", and said, "I was so extravagantly impressed by the portrayal of the reality of zero gravity."

"Former NASA astronaut Garrett Reisman said, "The pace and story was definitely engaging and I think it was the best use of the 3-D IMAX medium to date. Rather than using the medium as a gimmick, Gravity uses it to depict a real environment that is completely alien to most people. But the question that most people want me to answer is, how realistic was it? The very fact that the question is being asked so earnestly is a testament to the verisimilitude of the movie. When a bad science fiction movie comes out, no one bothers to ask me if it reminded me of the real thing."[135]"

Of course, at the source provided, there are people (including an astronaut and deGrasse-Tyson) offering there objections. Curious I find no mention of, "...hair was all wrong."
This is a confusing argument.
So...you think the ISS is faked? Ergo the footage from it is faked.
And your evidence that it is fake and that the faked footage from it is accurate is...testimony from astronauts at least one of whom has been on the ISS

 ???
It is confusing if you ignore my prior statements.

The OP concerns a video.

The OP asks for help debunking the video.

I have stated I have no expertise in determining video authenticity.

I have not argued for or against the existence of the ISS as that is not relative to the OP.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 29, 2018, 12:53:10 PM
The ISS can be seen with the naked eye.
I correct my post to read for initial intent.

The ISS cannot be resolved to visual identification by the naked eye.
Which is why you take a telescope, so when you see that bright light and then see it through a telescope. You can then see that it exists and also you can confirm what it is through a telescope.
I, as I am sure you would also be, personally incapable of obtaining and maintaining a telescope spotting on an object the size and moving at a speed like the ISS.
Stop being argumentative for the sake of it, you just come across as completely uneducated and in denial.
Ridiculous ad hom, unsupported by prior post history and indicative of your failure to connect the dots.

Thank you anyway, as your assessment is merely opinion, whether or not shared by others.
So with that out of the way, I'll ask again, if the ISS is up there orbiting, which we can all agree on
Wrong.
...how can you possibly think the video is faked?
Because I am capable of independent thought.
They're up there orbiting with a lot less gravity in effect. It's also not the first video to show zero gravity and there is no way they could have faked them all.
According to your opinion.
Simply put, it would be more effort to fake that video than it would be to just record the video on the ISS which again we  can all agree is up there in orbit...
Yes.

I agree.

It is "simply," put; however, you failed to insert the word, "inaccurately."
So why would they fake it?
Because they are "fakers."

Fakers do, in fact, exist you know.
it would take more time, more effort, more money and absolutely no gain compared to just being real.
Wrong.
What kind of intensive do they have to fake a video like that?
Not much.
It would be pointless.
No, it wouldn't.
You see the real reason you all want it to be fake is because it would be pretty hard to explain how  it's real when you think the earth is flat and gravity doesn't exist... There is literally more reason for you to want it to be fake than there is for them to want to fake it.
I do not "want," it to be anything.
I'd like for anyone else to give a reason it cannot be real other than because you don't want it to be.
I do not understand why you want someone else to offer a reason when it is clear you misconstrue my reasoning.

That is patently obvious to any objective reader.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on October 29, 2018, 02:31:42 PM
Totalackey, What is painfully obvious is that your desire for something to be true has no limitations, despite any evidence to the contrary.   Your argument is you think it is fake because that’s what you think.  It is not an argument at all.  It’s like a 3 year old saying she believes in Santa Claus because she believes it to be true.  I can argue with her, point out the impossibilities of going to every good child’s home at the speed it would take in one night, but what is the point? She is 3 years old and believes it to be true. You can’t have an argument with a 3 year old about things she doesn’t understand yet.

It seems to me the majority of FE supporters here are just trolls, arguing for arguments sake to be entertained.  Instead of making declarations which are backed up by observational evidence and confirmed in multiple methods, verifiable by both argument participants, the FE person argues against the argument itself or makes undefined unverifiable straw man arguments, claims victory, and walks away. This thread like most others will end with declarative statements by a RE supporter and the FE side will simply stop engaging and move on to the next post to say they don’t believe in that either.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 29, 2018, 03:38:27 PM
Totalackey, What is painfully obvious is that your desire for something to be true has no limitations, despite any evidence to the contrary.   Your argument is you think it is fake because that’s what you think.  It is not an argument at all.  It’s like a 3 year old saying she believes in Santa Claus because she believes it to be true.  I can argue with her, point out the impossibilities of going to every good child’s home at the speed it would take in one night, but what is the point? She is 3 years old and believes it to be true. You can’t have an argument with a 3 year old about things she doesn’t understand yet.

It seems to me the majority of FE supporters here are just trolls, arguing for arguments sake to be entertained.  Instead of making declarations which are backed up by observational evidence and confirmed in multiple methods, verifiable by both argument participants, the FE person argues against the argument itself or makes undefined unverifiable straw man arguments, claims victory, and walks away. This thread like most others will end with declarative statements by a RE supporter and the FE side will simply stop engaging and move on to the next post to say they don’t believe in that either.
Your entire diatribe is senseless.

Your conflation of my responses and the 3 year old's belief in the existence of Santa Clause is ridiculous.

Since you desire to equate the two issues, I would suggest you post any video evidence reviewed by experts in the field and in which the experts offer an opinion that video is an accurate detailing of how Santa performs his daily, and most importantly, yearly functions.

Plus, you must have missed the fact I have written very clearly and without mental reservation or equivocation I have no desire for this OP video to be true or false. I cannot argue for or against the video's authenticity, again because I am not an expert in the field of video.

I offered evidence, in response to those stating it could not be fake due to monetary reasons or ability, regarding the factual ability of video experts to manufacture videos of this type...no space or ISS necessary.

You need to try harder...
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on October 29, 2018, 03:58:30 PM
Totalackey, What is painfully obvious is that your desire for something to be true has no limitations, despite any evidence to the contrary.   Your argument is you think it is fake because that’s what you think.  It is not an argument at all.  It’s like a 3 year old saying she believes in Santa Claus because she believes it to be true.  I can argue with her, point out the impossibilities of going to every good child’s home at the speed it would take in one night, but what is the point? She is 3 years old and believes it to be true. You can’t have an argument with a 3 year old about things she doesn’t understand yet.

It seems to me the majority of FE supporters here are just trolls, arguing for arguments sake to be entertained.  Instead of making declarations which are backed up by observational evidence and confirmed in multiple methods, verifiable by both argument participants, the FE person argues against the argument itself or makes undefined unverifiable straw man arguments, claims victory, and walks away. This thread like most others will end with declarative statements by a RE supporter and the FE side will simply stop engaging and move on to the next post to say they don’t believe in that either.
This is all so true. It seems the typical response from the average FE is to argue against your argument instead of give any valid response, then declare victory in the debate. "Your argument is silly, so I'm right therefor I win!" - every FE'er.

totallackey is obviously not interested in bringing anything valuable to the debate, so far all he's done is basically "you're wrong! So there!". It's pointless even trying to debate with him, he's a waste of text on our screens.

Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: TomInAustin on October 29, 2018, 04:13:12 PM
The real question is this... we can see what is claimed to be ISS pass overhead.  What is it if it's not ISS?  What could move that fast and that accurately that is not in orbit?   And not just ISS.  There are many satellites in LEO that come over exactly when predicted. There are cheap tools to use to see where they are, I use Star Walk on my iPad.  I have asked this many times and never got an answer.  What are they?   

Using http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=25544#TOP I see ISS is over Australia now. Using Star Walk I have to point the iPad down at around 45 degrees and pretty close to due west.  Looking at Google Earth that looks pretty damn close.

(https://snag.gy/GtSpmr.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: totallackey on October 29, 2018, 04:15:29 PM
Totalackey, What is painfully obvious is that your desire for something to be true has no limitations, despite any evidence to the contrary.   Your argument is you think it is fake because that’s what you think.  It is not an argument at all.  It’s like a 3 year old saying she believes in Santa Claus because she believes it to be true.  I can argue with her, point out the impossibilities of going to every good child’s home at the speed it would take in one night, but what is the point? She is 3 years old and believes it to be true. You can’t have an argument with a 3 year old about things she doesn’t understand yet.

It seems to me the majority of FE supporters here are just trolls, arguing for arguments sake to be entertained.  Instead of making declarations which are backed up by observational evidence and confirmed in multiple methods, verifiable by both argument participants, the FE person argues against the argument itself or makes undefined unverifiable straw man arguments, claims victory, and walks away. This thread like most others will end with declarative statements by a RE supporter and the FE side will simply stop engaging and move on to the next post to say they don’t believe in that either.
This is all so true. It seems the typical response from the average FE is to argue against your argument instead of give any valid response, then declare victory in the debate. "Your argument is silly, so I'm right therefor I win!" - every FE'er.

totallackey is obviously not interested in bringing anything valuable to the debate, so far all he's done is basically "you're wrong! So there!". It's pointless even trying to debate with him, he's a waste of text on our screens.
I have entirely stated my points here in this thread.

It has now devolved into a total mis-characterization of my posts.

Shame.

Since you find it wasteful, it would perhaps be better to stop responding since you offer no cogent responses to my points.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on October 29, 2018, 04:40:41 PM
Totalackey, What is painfully obvious is that your desire for something to be true has no limitations, despite any evidence to the contrary.   Your argument is you think it is fake because that’s what you think.  It is not an argument at all.  It’s like a 3 year old saying she believes in Santa Claus because she believes it to be true.  I can argue with her, point out the impossibilities of going to every good child’s home at the speed it would take in one night, but what is the point? She is 3 years old and believes it to be true. You can’t have an argument with a 3 year old about things she doesn’t understand yet.

It seems to me the majority of FE supporters here are just trolls, arguing for arguments sake to be entertained.  Instead of making declarations which are backed up by observational evidence and confirmed in multiple methods, verifiable by both argument participants, the FE person argues against the argument itself or makes undefined unverifiable straw man arguments, claims victory, and walks away. This thread like most others will end with declarative statements by a RE supporter and the FE side will simply stop engaging and move on to the next post to say they don’t believe in that either.
This is all so true. It seems the typical response from the average FE is to argue against your argument instead of give any valid response, then declare victory in the debate. "Your argument is silly, so I'm right therefor I win!" - every FE'er.

totallackey is obviously not interested in bringing anything valuable to the debate, so far all he's done is basically "you're wrong! So there!". It's pointless even trying to debate with him, he's a waste of text on our screens.
I have entirely stated my points here in this thread.

It has now devolved into a total mis-characterization of my posts.
Wrong.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on October 29, 2018, 04:48:37 PM
I would argue, the verifiable presence and more specifically its verifiable serpentine path across the planet is proof the planet is a sphere. 

1. The ISS is verifiable, or at least SOMETHING is there
2. Its path is verifiable across its entire path where NASA says it is
3. Its path is verifiably perfectly serpentine
4. Its velocity is verifiably constant and faster then any engine powered machine I know of

Are we to believe that every day every 45 minutes the ISS is firing its engines to change directions perfectly to maintain the serpentine path viewable from a flat earth?  This is of course ignoring the constant velocity of the ISS.  Wouldn’t it run out of fuel to maintain such a ridiculous serpentine path just to prop up a flat earth conspiracy?  To that point, what type of surface shape would have a serpentine path over it?  The answer is simple, a sphere.

Totalackey, please debunk the path the object is taking as even denying the satellite doesn’t change its serpentine path which is only explainable on a globe shaped earth.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Bobby Shafto on October 29, 2018, 05:06:31 PM
Let me go back and revisit the thread to see if I misinterpreted MattyWS:

You can literally see that it exists, there's no need for NASA or anyone else to make a fake video to try tricking everyone into believing it when we can literally see it for ourselves with our own eyes.

No, you cannot see it with your own eyes...

At best, you need some sort of visual aid.

Do yourself a favour and get a decent telescope or camera with a decent zoom. Anyone can do that. The ISS is visible with the naked eye and it can be tracked easily enough if you just go to an ISS tracking website, you can find where it's going to be, go there and look up.

No it isn't [visible with the naked eye].

The ISS can be seen with the naked eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoS29WjWTBw

I correct my post to read for initial intent.

The ISS cannot be resolved to visual identification by the naked eye.

I agree; but was that MattyWS's intent in claiming the ISS could be seen with the naked eye?

I think not. What I performed, witnessed and showed was what I thought MattyWS's meaning was and which you were contradicting. If MattyWS's meaning was that you can visually make out the details of the ISS with the naked eye, then I agree with you. You can't; but I don't read that as his meaning.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Bobby Shafto on October 29, 2018, 05:16:55 PM
...visibility of the ISS  has absolutely nothing to do with the OP video.

I could actually agree with this. Being able to see what NASA says is the ISS with the naked eye doesn't address whether or not the video in the opening post is legitimate or not.

It's part of supporting argument for the incredulity that NASA would or could concoct such an elaborate hoax as to not only produce faux video but also place a decoy in the sky (somehow) and providing tracking information to enhance the illusion.

But, being able to see something unresolvable without the aid of a telescope doesn't validate the video.

However, what I considered to be nonsense was the opening posts premise that the video must be false but he didn't know to prove it, so came looking for help to validate a preconceived conclusion. But at least I got something valuable out of this. I never bothered to try to see the (alleged) ISS for myself. I admit it was kind of exciting to see it come into view and track across the sky just as the eastern horizon was beginning to glow. Now I'm keen to try to do what others have done and try to get a telescopic image capture or one of it transiting the moon.

But yeah, this "seeing the ISS" is tangent to the open post.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: junker on October 29, 2018, 05:34:43 PM
Wrong.

Refrain from low-content posting in the upper fora. Warned.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on October 29, 2018, 05:49:10 PM
Wrong.

Refrain from low-content posting in the upper fora. Warned.
That's fine, I'll take the warning even though it's exactly what he was doing, since I know full well it's against the rules and I know how pointless it was to do normally.

Back on to the topic though, I do not think proving the ISS exists is a tangent from the original posts point. I think the fact that the ISS further validates the legitimacy of the video.

I could make a recording in my house right now, walk around showing my house etc because maybe I think it's interesting and I think it's something people want to see... Of course you could say that video is fake, but I could tell you the address to my house so that you know where I was recording was actually a real location. I'm not gunna let you into my house to prove it but come on... I made the video, why would I spend a ton of money on setting up a fake version of my house just to trick you into believing it's my house? I wouldn't, that would be a waste of everyones time and my money.

Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on October 29, 2018, 05:52:04 PM
Which is why you take a telescope, so when you see that bright light and then see it through a telescope. You can then see that it exists and also you can confirm what it is through a telescope.
I, as I am sure you would also be, personally incapable of obtaining and maintaining a telescope spotting on an object the size and moving at a speed like the ISS.

You should get a motorized mount for your telescope. Then you could feed it any satellite tracking software.

The ISS is fast but it can take up to 6 minutes to cross the sky. Despite its size it can have an apparent magnitude up to -5 which is brighter than Venus.

Sites like https://www.heavens-above.com (https://www.heavens-above.com) will generate detailed maps of the next sightings at your location, including its position minute by minute:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZRXZs9w.png)

You could also wait for an ISS transit in front of the Sun or Moon and burst shoot a serie of pictures:

(http://0e33611cb8e6da737d5c-e13b5a910e105e07f9070866adaae10b.r15.cf1.rackcdn.com/Kenneith-Ho-keung-HUI--20171204_600D_ISStransit_v1_1512409689.jpg)

This was shot with an amateur refractor telescope, which is just a glorified field-glass. So yes, the shape of the ISS can be seen with the eye.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: markjo on October 29, 2018, 06:59:20 PM
Which is why you take a telescope, so when you see that bright light and then see it through a telescope. You can then see that it exists and also you can confirm what it is through a telescope.
I, as I am sure you would also be, personally incapable of obtaining and maintaining a telescope spotting on an object the size and moving at a speed like the ISS.

You should get a motorized mount for your telescope. Then you could feed it any satellite tracking software.

The ISS is fast but it can take up to 6 minutes to cross the sky. Despite its size it can have an apparent magnitude up to -5 which is brighter than Venus.

Sites like https://www.heavens-above.com (https://www.heavens-above.com) will generate detailed maps of the next sightings at your location, including its position minute by minute:
Here is a site that can predict ISS transits of the sun and moon from your location: https://transit-finder.com/
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: 321BamBam on October 30, 2018, 11:57:09 PM
Maybe one of the 1000's of engineers, scientists, commercial microgravity entreprenuers, etc etc etc who attend the annual ISSR&D Conferences where the Japs,  Russians and Americans present the results of the microgravity research they're faking and publishing in those peer reviewed papers can help you sort that out.

 Or maybe not since all those PhD's and super gullible MBA's, mega Corp owners and other prefessionale attending obviously aren't nearly as smart as the gurus attending next months IFEC in Denver.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: junker on October 31, 2018, 12:03:53 AM
Maybe one of the 1000's of engineers, scientists, commercial microgravity entreprenuers, etc etc etc who attend the annual ISSR&D Conferences where the Japs,  Russians and Americans present the results of the microgravity research they're faking and publishing in those peer reviewed papers can help you sort that out.

 Or maybe not since all those PhD's and super gullible MBA's, mega Corp owners and other prefessionale attending obviously aren't nearly as smart as the gurus attending next months IFEC in Denver.

Last warning for off-topic, and low-content posting. Next one is a 3-day ban.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 12:21:10 AM
Look this video got sent to me the other day and i am no expert on video stuff, so like i figure they are using ropes and stuff, but like i said, i am not confident in my argument on how they faked this... only that they DID!

Anyone whos interested take a look, I probably missed something, god be with ye all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTmdIhYnes

He's just another NASA puppet. Literally 
 

'Puppet Show" - an ISS exposé -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZ9sqvH9dY

Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 12:34:17 AM
Which is why you take a telescope, so when you see that bright light and then see it through a telescope. You can then see that it exists and also you can confirm what it is through a telescope.
I, as I am sure you would also be, personally incapable of obtaining and maintaining a telescope spotting on an object the size and moving at a speed like the ISS.

You should get a motorized mount for your telescope. Then you could feed it any satellite tracking software.



The ISS is fast but it can take up to 6 minutes to cross the sky. Despite its size it can have an apparent magnitude up to -5 which is brighter than Venus.

Sites like https://www.heavens-above.com (https://www.heavens-above.com) will generate detailed maps of the next sightings at your location, including its position minute by minute:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZRXZs9w.png)

You could also wait for an ISS transit in front of the Sun or Moon and burst shoot a serie of pictures:

(http://0e33611cb8e6da737d5c-e13b5a910e105e07f9070866adaae10b.r15.cf1.rackcdn.com/Kenneith-Ho-keung-HUI--20171204_600D_ISStransit_v1_1512409689.jpg)

This was shot with an amateur refractor telescope, which is just a glorified field-glass. So yes, the shape of the ISS can be seen with the eye.

Your ISS fantasy is a projection of some type. Look real close. It fades in and out as it treks in front of brighter and darker areas. Very noticeable. Fake, fake fake. Say fake every time it gets lighter.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on October 31, 2018, 12:47:37 AM
I see no one has actually challenged the fakery of the video, yet the presence of the ISS or whatever it is seems to be ok with the FE posters on here.  Since the ISS object is there at all, and verifiably flying through the sky at incredible speeds on its verifiable traceable bizarre serpentine path (if we are a flat earth), orbiting the planet every 90 minutes (or changing directions perfectly every 45 minutes if on a flat earth), and flying at an apparent constant velocity (while performing this circus act in the sky for never ending hour after hour after months and years never missing a turn or apparent speeding up and slowing down if above a flat earth) that its presence is absolute proof itself the Earth is a sphere.  Maybe that topic deserves its own posting, I suspect it has been talked about before however.   
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on October 31, 2018, 12:52:23 AM

Your ISS fantasy is a projection of some type. Look real close. It fades in and out as it treks in front of brighter and darker areas. Very noticeable. Fake, fake fake. Say fake every time it gets lighter.

You want us to believe the ISS is a projection? A projection which is a worldwide hologram which can be seen every place on the planet NASA says it is. A projection that can move around he planet at 17000 miles an hour, over the Oceans, poles, and every single country for years and years and years.   Complete, total rubbish. 
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 12:57:08 AM

Your ISS fantasy is a projection of some type. Look real close. It fades in and out as it treks in front of brighter and darker areas. Very noticeable. Fake, fake fake. Say fake every time it gets lighter.

You want us to believe the ISS is a projection? A projection which is a worldwide hologram which can be seen every place on the planet NASA says it is. A projection that can move around he planet at 17000 miles an hour, over the Oceans, poles, and every single country for years and years and years.   Complete, total rubbish.

It fades in and out as it treks in front of brighter and darker areas. Very noticeable. Fake, fake fake. Say fake every time it gets lighter.

BTW - ISS does not have fuel or engines to continue a serpentine path.

It would need powerful engines and a lot of fuel to maintain such a path at such speeds.

And who's the damn pilot?

And what's the "G force" created during such sharp turns at such speeds every few minutes?

And Yes, the ISS does make a serpentine path.

The ALLEDGED ISS is supposed to orbit in the same direction as the earth rotates, from west to east.  But in this video it goes north, north east.  OOPS!
Also, it appears ISS is a hologram.  At 2:11 in the Video the ISS fades out over a bright spot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDIPZFqfGGo
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on October 31, 2018, 12:58:30 AM
Your ISS fantasy is a projection of some type. Look real close. It fades in and out as it treks in front of brighter and darker areas. Very noticeable. Fake, fake fake. Say fake every time it gets lighter.

Again, this is an amateur setup. Everybody can do it and see for themselves. Including you.

The brightness is pretty consistent across the shots. But you're right, there's one lighter than the others, 6th from the right.

It's perfectly expected for different shots to produce slightly different results, mostly because of atmospheric disturbances (also temperature variations inside the camera when it shoots). You would be surprised how astrophotography shots can vary from each other. You often have to shoot many raws and only keep the best ones.

If the transit was fake, the person would have probably copy/pasted the same outline of the ISS across the Moon. You wouldn't see any difference between them.

Here, the subject is consistent but each representation has its own tiny variations. That argument is indeed a proof of authenticity.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 01:08:38 AM
Your ISS fantasy is a projection of some type. Look real close. It fades in and out as it treks in front of brighter and darker areas. Very noticeable. Fake, fake fake. Say fake every time it gets lighter.

Again, this is an amateur setup. Everybody can do it and see for themselves. Including you.

The brightness is pretty consistent across the shots. But you're right, there's one lighter than the others, 6th from the right.

It's perfectly expected for different shots to produce slightly different results, mostly because of atmospheric disturbances (also temperature variations inside the camera when it shoots). You would be surprised how astrophotography shots can vary from each other. You often have to shoot many raws and only keep the best ones.

If the transit was fake, the person would have probably copy/pasted the same outline of the ISS across the Moon. You wouldn't see any difference between them.

Here, the subject is consistent but each representation has its own tiny variations. That argument is indeed a proof of authenticity.

Look again, every time it passes in front of a lighter spot it gets lighter. This is observable in all ISS videos.

Anyway, the ISS does not have fuel or engines to maintain a serpentine path. It would need powerful engines and a lot of fuel to maintain such a path at such speeds.

And who's the damn pilot?

And what's the "G force" created during such sharp turns at such speeds every few minutes?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on October 31, 2018, 01:44:14 AM
Look again, every time it passes in front of a lighter spot it gets lighter. This is observable in all ISS videos.

I'm not going to flood this thread with pictures to prove you wrong. You could search "iss transit" in Google image if you were interested.

Anyway, the ISS does not have fuel or engines to maintain a serpentine path. It would need powerful engines and a lot of fuel to maintain such a path at such speeds.

And who's the damn pilot?

And what's the "G force" created during such sharp turns every few minutes?

It doesn't need fuel because it's in orbit. Just like the hundreads of satellites orbiting the Earth that don't have any fuel. Actually fuel would be required to exit the orbit.

There's no pilot. It's not a spaceship. Whatever tiny corrections of trajectory are operated by ground control.

There's no sharp turn or serpentine. A straight line on a globe equals a sinusoidal wave on a Mercator projection, which is used in your map.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 01:46:15 AM
Look again, every time it passes in front of a lighter spot it gets lighter. This is observable in all ISS videos.

I'm not going to flood this thread with pictures to prove you wrong. You could search "iss transit" in Google image if you were interested.

Anyway, the ISS does not have fuel or engines to maintain a serpentine path. It would need powerful engines and a lot of fuel to maintain such a path at such speeds.

And who's the damn pilot?

And what's the "G force" created during such sharp turns every few minutes?

It doesn't need fuel because it's in orbit. Just like the hundreads of satellites orbiting the Earth that don't have any fuel. Actually fuel would be required to exit the orbit.

There's no pilot. It's not a spaceship. Whatever tiny corrections of trajectory are operated by ground control.

There's no sharp turn or serpentine. A straight line on a globe equals a sinusoidal wave on a Mercator projection, which is used in your map.

The ALLEDGED ISS is supposed to orbit in the same direction as the earth rotates, from west to east.  But in this video it goes north, north east.  OOPS!

Also, it appears ISS is a hologram.  At 2:11 in the Video, the ISS fades out over a bright spot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDIPZFqfGGo
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on October 31, 2018, 02:11:19 AM
The ALLEDGED ISS is supposed to orbit in the same direction as the earth rotates, from west to east.  But in this video it goes north, north east.  OOPS!

Also, it appears ISS is a hologram.  At 2:11 in the Video, the ISS fades out over a bright spot.

Yes it goes in the direction of the Earth's rotation, in contrast with the opposite direction. That leaves 90° of inclination, for the ISS it's 52°.

The fading you imagine is ridiculous. In every day's life, you would never think that an object more or less illuminated becomes transparent. Just that the light has changed, which is the case across the Moon's surface.

You should try to debunk the first video posted in this thread, if you find any argument.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 02:16:36 AM
The ALLEDGED ISS is supposed to orbit in the same direction as the earth rotates, from west to east.  But in this video it goes north, north east.  OOPS!

Also, it appears ISS is a hologram.  At 2:11 in the Video, the ISS fades out over a bright spot.

Yes it goes in the direction of the Earth's rotation, in contrast with the opposite direction. That leaves 90° of inclination, for the ISS it's 52°.

The fading you imagine is ridiculous. In every day's life, you would never think that an object more or less illuminated becomes transparent. Just that the light has changed, which is the case across the Moon's surface.

You should try to debunk the first video posted in this thread, if you find any argument.

The picture you posted has ISS going east to west. The video I posted the ISS is going (as pictured) north north east.  Why the difference?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 02:29:43 AM
The ALLEDGED ISS is supposed to orbit in the same direction as the earth rotates, from west to east.  But in this video it goes north, north east.  OOPS!

Also, it appears ISS is a hologram.  At 2:11 in the Video, the ISS fades out over a bright spot.

Yes it goes in the direction of the Earth's rotation, in contrast with the opposite direction. That leaves 90° of inclination, for the ISS it's 52°.

The fading you imagine is ridiculous. In every day's life, you would never think that an object more or less illuminated becomes transparent. Just that the light has changed, which is the case across the Moon's surface.

You should try to debunk the first video posted in this thread, if you find any argument.

Do you believe this Official Video from NASA is real?

Problem - The Earth Spin Clockwise as ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun in this official NASA video.   The ISS never passes between the Earth and Sun, yet is supposed to every 94 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb84FkTuHuQ&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s&index=12
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on October 31, 2018, 03:21:08 AM
The picture you posted has ISS going east to west. The video I posted the ISS is going (as pictured) north north east.  Why the difference?

Which picture, the map or the transit? On the map, the ISS is going North East. As indicated with the letters NE.

On the transit, you would hardly know which way is North without looking at the position of the Moon on the date of the shot.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on October 31, 2018, 03:22:21 AM

Do you believe this Official Video from NASA is real?

Problem - The Earth Spin Clockwise as ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun in this official NASA video.   The ISS never passes between the Earth and Sun during 24 hrs, yet is supposed to every 94 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb84FkTuHuQ&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s&index=12

Stop and think for just a minute about the tilted Earth and Sun in 3D and what the summer solstice is and how many hours go by in between a sunset and rise...  Your failure to understand geometry or basic observation does not debunk anything.  You don’t think the ISS exists because of its sinusoidal path??  You realize it has a sinusoidal path on the flat map because the flat Earth map is a projection of the globe.  Its verifiable path is confirmation the Earth is a sphere.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 01:39:43 PM

Do you believe this Official Video from NASA is real?

Problem - The Earth Spin Clockwise as ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun in this official NASA video.   The ISS never passes between the Earth and Sun during 24 hrs, yet is supposed to every 94 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb84FkTuHuQ&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s&index=12



Stop and think for just a minute about the tilted Earth and Sun in 3D and what the summer solstice is and how many hours go by in between a sunset and rise...  Your failure to understand geometry or basic observation does not debunk anything.  You don’t think the ISS exists because of its sinusoidal path??  You realize it has a sinusoidal path on the flat map because the flat Earth map is a projection of the globe.  Its verifiable path is confirmation the Earth is a sphere.

You ignore the fake video.  Earth rotates Clockwise as ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun.  And I see you avoided the puppet show video too. Why?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 02:07:07 PM
Can you also pick out what is fake in this Video?

CLIP Boris & Bertha Russian Spacewalk Audio from "Juno & Jupiter Hoax"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfkPn8oTxzU&index=5&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on October 31, 2018, 03:56:44 PM
Earth rotates Clockwise as ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun.

The Earth's motion in this video doesn't come from its rotation, but from the ISS cruising it. What you have is a camera that moves along the surface, independently from the Earth. You can see the same from a plane. A plane can move in any direction, and show the surface moving in any opposite direction, that doesn't mean the Earth's rotation is changed.

You don't get to come up with another stupid video everytime the previous one has been debunked. We know you can find as many stupid videos as you want. You don't need to act as Youtube's recommendation algorithm. What you need is to provide arguments.

At some point you have to address the issues that disprove your previous statements. Jumping to the next one is going to get old very very fast. I'm still waiting for you to debunk the original video in this thread, since you're so bent on claiming the ISS is fake.

It was this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTmdIhYnes
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 05:36:05 PM
Earth rotates Clockwise as ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun.

The Earth's motion in this video doesn't come from its rotation, but from the ISS cruising it. What you have is a camera that moves along the surface, independently from the Earth. You can see the same from a plane. A plane can move in any direction, and show the surface moving in any opposite direction, that doesn't mean the Earth's rotation is changed.

You don't get to come up with another stupid video everytime the previous one has been debunked. We know you can find as many stupid videos as you want. You don't need to act as Youtube's recommendation algorithm. What you need is to provide arguments.

At some point you have to address the issues that disprove your previous statements. Jumping to the next one is going to get old very very fast. I'm still waiting for you to debunk the original video in this thread, since you're so bent on claiming the ISS is fake.

It was this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTmdIhYnes

You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: markjo on October 31, 2018, 05:53:29 PM
You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?
I don't understand.  What exactly do you mean?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on October 31, 2018, 05:55:00 PM
You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?

I'm ignoring it because it doesn't make any sense. The ISS couldn't move around the Sun without leaving the Earth. In such a short time, the Earth also remains quite stationary relatively to the Sun. What's supposed to be your point?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on October 31, 2018, 06:00:53 PM
You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?
I don't understand.  What exactly do you mean?

The ISS is not orbiting Earth in the Video. Not traveling 17,000 mph. If one ISS video is fake there all fake.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: markjo on October 31, 2018, 06:40:25 PM
You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?
I don't understand.  What exactly do you mean?

The ISS is not orbiting Earth in the Video. Not traveling 17,000 mph. If one ISS video is fake there all fake.
Why do you think that?  You do understand that the orbit of the ISS is tilted 51.6 degrees to the equator, don't you?  Because of that tilt, once in a while they get an orbit or two that doesn't get a sunset.  However, most of the time they get 15-16 sunrises and sunsets per day.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on November 01, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?
I don't understand.  What exactly do you mean?

The ISS is not orbiting Earth in the Video. Not traveling 17,000 mph. If one ISS video is fake there all fake.
Firstly, "they're".
Secondly, "if one 'x' is 'y' then all 'x' are 'y'" is complete nonsense logic.
And I've yet to see any proper analysis of an ISS video by someone who is an expert in the field and concluding the videos are fake.
Lots of insinuation and supposition does not proof make.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on November 01, 2018, 01:56:56 PM
You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?
I don't understand.  What exactly do you mean?

The ISS is not orbiting Earth in the Video. Not traveling 17,000 mph. If one ISS video is fake there all fake.

Let’s pretend for a moment that ALL the videos said to have been made aboard the ISS are fake, this hasn’t been proven to even the smallest degree of certainty but for the sake argument we will say sure they are fake.  That doesn’t make that “object” we call the ISS fake.

Maybe, as FE often say, man made flight is impossible, yet the ISS is in the sky, so call it what you want.  The fact of its mere verifiable presence all day everyday flying at extreme speeds nothing on the Earth has ever gotten close to while verifiably serpentining through the sky apparently never slowing down apparently never speeding up orbiting the planet in 92 minutes.  Its mere path through the sky whatever it is, not needing fuel somehow, changing directions northwest then southwest every 45 minutes or so (if on a flat earth) never missing a turn for days and weeks and years and years is PROOF we are a sphere.  That serpentine path is only possible as it is a projection of a straight line orbit of our glob displayed on the flat map.  Its path is verifiably true.  Case is closed, deny people aboard it if you must, but it is man made, flying at incredible speeds on a verifiable perfect path around the globe without the need for fuel for years and only possible ON A SPINNING SPHERE.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 02, 2018, 06:39:03 PM
You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?
I don't understand.  What exactly do you mean?

The ISS is not orbiting Earth in the Video. Not traveling 17,000 mph. If one ISS video is fake there all fake.

Let’s pretend for a moment that ALL the videos said to have been made aboard the ISS are fake, this hasn’t been proven to even the smallest degree of certainty but for the sake argument we will say sure they are fake.  That doesn’t make that “object” we call the ISS fake.

Maybe, as FE often say, man made flight is impossible, yet the ISS is in the sky, so call it what you want.  The fact of its mere verifiable presence all day everyday flying at extreme speeds nothing on the Earth has ever gotten close to while verifiably serpentining through the sky apparently never slowing down apparently never speeding up orbiting the planet in 92 minutes.  Its mere path through the sky whatever it is, not needing fuel somehow, changing directions northwest then southwest every 45 minutes or so (if on a flat earth) never missing a turn for days and weeks and years and years is PROOF we are a sphere.  That serpentine path is only possible as it is a projection of a straight line orbit of our glob displayed on the flat map.  Its path is verifiably true.  Case is closed, deny people aboard it if you must, but it is man made, flying at incredible speeds on a verifiable perfect path around the globe without the need for fuel for years and only possible ON A SPINNING SPHERE.

You Globies will never admit your ISS fantasy toy is fake even with tons of evidence.  You openly ignore the evidence and make ignorant replies in hopes it will just go away as any other would who is also brainwashed.
The important thing is, those seeking the truth here can see other intelligent people are brainwashed with the lies of NASA too.

This is EXACTLY how NASA fakes everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Y6CvkEHvc&index=142&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Curious Squirrel on November 02, 2018, 07:09:19 PM
You ignore that ISS remains mostly stationary to the Sun. Why?
I don't understand.  What exactly do you mean?

The ISS is not orbiting Earth in the Video. Not traveling 17,000 mph. If one ISS video is fake there all fake.

Let’s pretend for a moment that ALL the videos said to have been made aboard the ISS are fake, this hasn’t been proven to even the smallest degree of certainty but for the sake argument we will say sure they are fake.  That doesn’t make that “object” we call the ISS fake.

Maybe, as FE often say, man made flight is impossible, yet the ISS is in the sky, so call it what you want.  The fact of its mere verifiable presence all day everyday flying at extreme speeds nothing on the Earth has ever gotten close to while verifiably serpentining through the sky apparently never slowing down apparently never speeding up orbiting the planet in 92 minutes.  Its mere path through the sky whatever it is, not needing fuel somehow, changing directions northwest then southwest every 45 minutes or so (if on a flat earth) never missing a turn for days and weeks and years and years is PROOF we are a sphere.  That serpentine path is only possible as it is a projection of a straight line orbit of our glob displayed on the flat map.  Its path is verifiably true.  Case is closed, deny people aboard it if you must, but it is man made, flying at incredible speeds on a verifiable perfect path around the globe without the need for fuel for years and only possible ON A SPINNING SPHERE.

You Globies will never admit your ISS fantasy toy is fake even with tons of evidence.  You openly ignore the evidence and make ignorant replies in hopes it will just go away as any other would who is also brainwashed.
The important thing is, those seeking the truth here can see other intelligent people are brainwashed with the lies of NASA too.

This is EXACTLY how NASA fakes everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Y6CvkEHvc&index=142&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
So we have a trick that would be far easier to accomplish (and cost effective) with just a simple green screen effect as our first 'evidence' for this 'AUGMented reality' (gonna punch something if I have to hear augymented again) hypothesis. Followed by a series of basic camera/video glitches that don't serve as any sort of evidence for his hypothesis unless you've already bought into it. The far more reasonable (Occam's Razor) thought is they're simple video glitches. They happen all the time. This video does nothing to actually *prove* these videos are fake. Only offers another option for those hunting or wishing to believe they are.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on November 02, 2018, 07:24:45 PM
You Globies will never admit your ISS fantasy toy is fake even with tons of evidence.  You openly ignore the evidence and make ignorant replies in hopes it will just go away as any other would who is also brainwashed.
The important thing is, those seeking the truth here can see other intelligent people are brainwashed with the lies of NASA too.

This is EXACTLY how NASA fakes everything.

I call into question someone’s scientific stance that begins with the premise, “I’ve been praying about it and the Lord finally revealed to me…”

Telemetrics isn’t an augmented reality company, they provide robotic camera control systems.

Ok, so the astronauts have to be wearing augmented reality contact lenses. We’re not quite there yet. You still need the big goggles we have today.

I’m not saying ISS footage is real, though I believe it be, however, augmented reality tech does not debunk the footage. Try again.

(Aside, funny, Curious, here's what I was writing when you posted your response, "As well, I almost punched the screen after the 30th time he mispronounced “augmented” by saying “aug-u-mented”.")
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on November 02, 2018, 07:37:03 PM


You Globies will never admit your ISS fantasy toy is fake even with tons of evidence.  You openly ignore the evidence and make ignorant replies in hopes it will just go away as any other would who is also brainwashed.
The important thing is, those seeking the truth here can see other intelligent people are brainwashed with the lies of NASA too.

This is EXACTLY how NASA fakes everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Y6CvkEHvc&index=142&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s


You like to make definitive statements with zero evidence. The only people running away are FE proponents who have no answers and refuse to acknowledge even the simplest observations.  Please defend your worldwide projection notion? If it’s not a projection and in fact a real man made object, which it obviously is, tell us how its verifiable traceable incredibly fast serpentining path for years is even possible on a flat earth?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: markjo on November 02, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
This is EXACTLY how NASA fakes everything.
It seems to me that NASA would need several techniques working together to successfully fake ISS videos.  Not only do they need to fake things that the astronauts are directly interacting with, but also things that they're indirectly interacting with.  They need to fake the astronauts floating around, moving around, brushing against things, things floating around on their own, etc.  That's an awful lot of fake things to keep track of in real time.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 02, 2018, 08:24:31 PM
Again, Globies will never admit their ISS fantasy toy is fake even with tons of evidence. They don't care NASA has been exposed using harnesses on ISS nor do they think it matters because Earth is a ball to them and no evidence will make them say, Flat Earther's are right .


Let’s all go to the “NASA Puppet Show”  and count how many astronauts on strings they use on the FAKE International Space Station.
 'Puppet Show" - an ISS exposé -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZ9sqvH9dY
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Curious Squirrel on November 02, 2018, 08:57:04 PM
Again, Globies will never admit their ISS fantasy toy is fake even with tons of evidence. They don't care NASA has been exposed using harnesses on ISS nor do they think it matters because Earth is a ball to them and no evidence will make them say, Flat Earther's are right .


Let’s all go to the “NASA Puppet Show”  and count how many astronauts on strings they use on the FAKE International Space Station.
 'Puppet Show" - an ISS exposé -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZ9sqvH9dY
Oh look, another video full of...well basically nothing. Semi-catchy tune I suppose, but he doesn't offer up anything particularly groundbreaking. The 'bubbles' have been discussed before, debris I believe? Many cases also show such things moving in multiple directions an impossibility for bubbles. Looks to me like this guy has you hook line and sinker with his conspiracy hypothesis. Is it the song? At least he knows how to pronounce all the words he's using.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on November 02, 2018, 09:02:35 PM
Again, Globies will never admit their ISS fantasy toy is fake even with tons of evidence. They don't care NASA has been exposed using harnesses on ISS nor do they think it matters because Earth is a ball to them and no evidence will make them say, Flat Earther's are right .


Let’s all go to the “NASA Puppet Show”  and count how many astronauts on strings they use on the FAKE International Space Station.
 'Puppet Show" - an ISS exposé -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZ9sqvH9dY

I watched that video twice, pausing many times to see what the singing buffoon is showing and saw nothing there.  Those “bubbles” could have been lots of things, or been planted (I know, crazy right?).   It’s a cute song and dance with amateurish green screen work putting himself on the ISS.   You Earthman say all video and images of a round earth to be fake, so why should we accept possibly altered video or pictures as evidence from you?  Why not make your own investigation with your own eyes of the man made object we can all look up and see orbiting above us at incredible speeds serpentining the planet (if flat) for years on end?  How is that objects path possible?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on November 02, 2018, 09:17:49 PM
Here' the running tally so far:

It's the VomCom
It's wires
It's neutral buoyancy water tanks
It's 'aug-u-mented' reality with contact lenses
It's various other forms of CGI, green screens and the like
It's elecro-magnetic levitation buried in a Nevada bunker

Did I miss any others?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 03, 2018, 12:24:38 AM
Again, Globies will never admit their ISS fantasy toy is fake even with tons of evidence. They don't care NASA has been exposed using harnesses on ISS nor do they think it matters because Earth is a ball to them and no evidence will make them say, Flat Earther's are right .


Let’s all go to the “NASA Puppet Show”  and count how many astronauts on strings they use on the FAKE International Space Station.
 'Puppet Show" - an ISS exposé -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZ9sqvH9dY

I watched that video twice, pausing many times to see what the singing buffoon is showing and saw nothing there.  Those “bubbles” could have been lots of things, or been planted (I know, crazy right?).   It’s a cute song and dance with amateurish green screen work putting himself on the ISS.   You Earthman say all video and images of a round earth to be fake, so why should we accept possibly altered video or pictures as evidence from you?  Why not make your own investigation with your own eyes of the man made object we can all look up and see orbiting above us at incredible speeds serpentining the planet (if flat) for years on end?  How is that objects path possible?

Truth seekers here, take notes.

Globies believe we are manipulating NASA’s own space footage to discredit it.  But the fact is, NASA is manipulating globies’ minds with high-tech equipment to maintain a brainwashed status over them.    Globies  don’t care for truth as long as they get their fantasy fed.

The fake NASA ISS interior - a technical breakdown by Mike Helmick - Flat Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3TE0CAXq_k&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&index=140&t=0s
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on November 03, 2018, 07:26:13 AM

Truth seekers here, take notes.

Globies believe we are manipulating NASA’s own space footage to discredit it.  But the fact is, NASA is manipulating globies’ minds with high-tech equipment to maintain a brainwashed status over them.    Globies  don’t care for truth as long as they get their fantasy fed.

The fake NASA ISS interior - a technical breakdown by Mike Helmick - Flat Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3TE0CAXq_k&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&index=140&t=0s
In other words you are admitting that all this you beaut modern 3-D real-time simulation is a pile of crap? I don't believe that it is.
If NASA was using the best software available, and apparent they can afford it, there would be none of those glitches.

The sort  of artefacts you are showing would be familiar to anyone with any knowledge of MPEG-2 or H.264. The following video demonstrates artefacts in MPEG-2 under low bandwidth high noise conditions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Rp-uo6HmI

The glitches in your video are not unlike the artefacts expected when the signal is severely degraded.
In my opinion the existence of the artefacts followed by the drop-out is evidence that the video is genuine.
Were it produced by artificial reality there would be no artefacts and dropouts.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 03, 2018, 05:46:21 PM

Truth seekers here, take notes.

Globies believe we are manipulating NASA’s own space footage to discredit it.  But the fact is, NASA is manipulating globies’ minds with high-tech equipment to maintain a brainwashed status over them.    Globies  don’t care for truth as long as they get their fantasy fed.

The fake NASA ISS interior - a technical breakdown by Mike Helmick - Flat Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3TE0CAXq_k&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&index=140&t=0s
In other words you are admitting that all this you beaut modern 3-D real-time simulation is a pile of crap? I don't believe that it is.
If NASA was using the best software available, and apparent they can afford it, there would be none of those glitches.

The sort  of artefacts you are showing would be familiar to anyone with any knowledge of MPEG-2 or H.264. The following video demonstrates artefacts in MPEG-2 under low bandwidth high noise conditions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Rp-uo6HmI

The glitches in your video are not unlike the artefacts expected when the signal is severely degraded.
In my opinion the existence of the artefacts followed by the drop-out is evidence that the video is genuine.
Were it produced by artificial reality there would be no artefacts and dropouts.
As you can see, Globies ignore the evidence against their beloved toy, “ISS”. No amount of enormous evidence proving ISS is fake is going to make a Globie say to a flat earther, “you are correct.”  They can’t have their fantasy toy taken away.

Proof NASA Fakes Being in Space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qwvAivfGM&index=139&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s

Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 03, 2018, 08:08:33 PM
As you can see, Globies ignore the evidence against their beloved toy, “ISS”. No amount of enormous evidence proving ISS is fake is going to make a Globie say to a flat earther, “you are correct.”  They can’t have their fantasy toy taken away.

There's a difference between ignoring an argument and refuting it. All the 'evidence against the ISS' so far has been easily debunked.

No Flat Earther has even tried to debunk the actual video of the ISS, though.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 03, 2018, 08:25:50 PM
As you can see, Globies ignore the evidence against their beloved toy, “ISS”. No amount of enormous evidence proving ISS is fake is going to make a Globie say to a flat earther, “you are correct.”  They can’t have their fantasy toy taken away.

There's a difference between ignoring an argument and refuting it. All the 'evidence against the ISS' so far has been easily debunked.

I don't see where you have debunked any of those videos.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 03, 2018, 08:42:37 PM
I don't see where you have debunked any of those videos.

You might want to check the last couple of pages. There were a few points made with videos but nothing serious. Such as the Earth rotating in the wrong way.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on November 03, 2018, 09:17:44 PM

Truth seekers here, take notes.

Globies believe we are manipulating NASA’s own space footage to discredit it.  But the fact is, NASA is manipulating globies’ minds with high-tech equipment to maintain a brainwashed status over them.    Globies  don’t care for truth as long as they get their fantasy fed.

The fake NASA ISS interior - a technical breakdown by Mike Helmick - Flat Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3TE0CAXq_k&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&index=140&t=0s
In other words you are admitting that all this you beaut modern 3-D real-time simulation is a pile of crap? I don't believe that it is.
If NASA was using the best software available, and apparent they can afford it, there would be none of those glitches.

The sort  of artefacts you are showing would be familiar to anyone with any knowledge of MPEG-2 or H.264. The following video demonstrates artefacts in MPEG-2 under low bandwidth high noise conditions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Rp-uo6HmI

The glitches in your video are not unlike the artefacts expected when the signal is severely degraded.
In my opinion the existence of the artefacts followed by the drop-out is evidence that the video is genuine.
Were it produced by artificial reality there would be no artefacts and dropouts.
As you can see, Globies ignore the evidence against their beloved toy, “ISS”. No amount of enormous evidence proving ISS is fake is going to make a Globie say to a flat earther, “you are correct.”  They can’t have their fantasy toy taken away.
In other words, you have no rational answers to my claim so resort to the logically fallacious appeal to ridicule. That only detracts from your own credibility.

Quote from: Earthman
Proof NASA Fakes Being in Space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qwvAivfGM&index=139&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
There's no proof there, just an apparent anomaly that you can't explain and I'm under no obligation to explain.

Your whole proof boils down to nothing more than the fact that you cannot or do not want to explain an anomaly and therefore that anomaly is evidence of fakery.
And that is not a proof in anyone's language!

You simply do not get the point.
According to anti-NASA people, like yourself, the organisation has almost unlimited resources to employ the best techniques to create fake videos and I don't doubt that they could now do it.
So if NASA and the other space agencies set out to deceive you there is no way that they would allow apparent anomalies like that pass through.

To some extent, these anomalies are more evidence of those videos being genuine than vice-versa.

But what do you gain from "proving" that there are no people on board the ISS? There is almost unlimited photographic and personal evidence that the ISS and other satellites are orbiting the earth.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 03, 2018, 11:44:39 PM

Truth seekers here, take notes.

Globies believe we are manipulating NASA’s own space footage to discredit it.  But the fact is, NASA is manipulating globies’ minds with high-tech equipment to maintain a brainwashed status over them.    Globies  don’t care for truth as long as they get their fantasy fed.

The fake NASA ISS interior - a technical breakdown by Mike Helmick - Flat Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3TE0CAXq_k&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&index=140&t=0s
In other words you are admitting that all this you beaut modern 3-D real-time simulation is a pile of crap? I don't believe that it is.
If NASA was using the best software available, and apparent they can afford it, there would be none of those glitches.

The sort  of artefacts you are showing would be familiar to anyone with any knowledge of MPEG-2 or H.264. The following video demonstrates artefacts in MPEG-2 under low bandwidth high noise conditions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Rp-uo6HmI

The glitches in your video are not unlike the artefacts expected when the signal is severely degraded.
In my opinion the existence of the artefacts followed by the drop-out is evidence that the video is genuine.
Were it produced by artificial reality there would be no artefacts and dropouts.
As you can see, Globies ignore the evidence against their beloved toy, “ISS”. No amount of enormous evidence proving ISS is fake is going to make a Globie say to a flat earther, “you are correct.”  They can’t have their fantasy toy taken away.
In other words, you have no rational answers to my claim so resort to the logically fallacious appeal to ridicule. That only detracts from your own credibility.

Quote from: Earthman
Proof NASA Fakes Being in Space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qwvAivfGM&index=139&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
There's no proof there, just an apparent anomaly that you can't explain and I'm under no obligation to explain.

Your whole proof boils down to nothing more than the fact that you cannot or do not want to explain an anomaly and therefore that anomaly is evidence of fakery.
And that is not a proof in anyone's language!

You simply do not get the point.
According to anti-NASA people, like yourself, the organisation has almost unlimited resources to employ the best techniques to create fake videos and I don't doubt that they could now do it.
So if NASA and the other space agencies set out to deceive you there is no way that they would allow apparent anomalies like that pass through.

To some extent, these anomalies are more evidence of those videos being genuine than vice-versa.

But what do you gain from "proving" that there are no people on board the ISS? There is almost unlimited photographic and personal evidence that the ISS and other satellites are orbiting the earth.

If I was a brainwashed Globie, I would reject the mass evidence too and say as you have.

NASA is manipulating the minds of it's followers. WAKE UP!

NASA Fails Again & Again | Space is Fake | Glitch on the ISS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS0VN056d68&index=126&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on November 04, 2018, 12:51:17 AM
As you can see, Globies ignore the evidence against their beloved toy, “ISS”. No amount of enormous evidence proving ISS is fake is going to make a Globie say to a flat earther, “you are correct.”  They can’t have their fantasy toy taken away.

Proof NASA Fakes Being in Space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qwvAivfGM&index=139&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s

I don't get the point of this one. There are sometimes delays and sometimes not. When I watch the news sometimes a correspondent from Baghdad has a delay and another from Beirut doesn't, for example, split screen, back to the NYC anchor.

Seems like a lame argument.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on November 04, 2018, 01:49:56 AM

Truth seekers here, take notes.

Globies believe we are manipulating NASA’s own space footage to discredit it.  But the fact is, NASA is manipulating globies’ minds with high-tech equipment to maintain a brainwashed status over them.    Globies  don’t care for truth as long as they get their fantasy fed.

The fake NASA ISS interior - a technical breakdown by Mike Helmick - Flat Earth, GLOBEBUSTERS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3TE0CAXq_k&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&index=140&t=0s)
In other words you are admitting that all this you beaut modern 3-D real-time simulation is a pile of crap? I don't believe that it is.
If NASA was using the best software available, and apparent they can afford it, there would be none of those glitches.

The sort  of artefacts you are showing would be familiar to anyone with any knowledge of MPEG-2 or H.264. The following video demonstrates artefacts in MPEG-2 under low bandwidth high noise conditions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Rp-uo6HmI

The glitches in your video are not unlike the artefacts expected when the signal is severely degraded.
In my opinion the existence of the artefacts followed by the drop-out is evidence that the video is genuine.
Were it produced by artificial reality there would be no artefacts and dropouts.
As you can see, Globies ignore the evidence against their beloved toy, “ISS”. No amount of enormous evidence proving ISS is fake is going to make a Globie say to a flat earther, “you are correct.”  They can’t have their fantasy toy taken away.
In other words, you have no rational answers to my claim so resort to the logically fallacious appeal to ridicule. That only detracts from your own credibility.

Quote from: Earthman
Proof NASA Fakes Being in Space, ThePottersClay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qwvAivfGM&index=139&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s)
There's no proof there, just an apparent anomaly that you can't explain and I'm under no obligation to explain.

Your whole proof boils down to nothing more than the fact that you cannot or do not want to explain an anomaly and therefore that anomaly is evidence of fakery.
And that is not a proof in anyone's language!

You simply do not get the point.
According to anti-NASA people, like yourself, the organisation has almost unlimited resources to employ the best techniques to create fake videos and I don't doubt that they could now do it.
So if NASA and the other space agencies set out to deceive you there is no way that they would allow apparent anomalies like that pass through.

To some extent, these anomalies are more evidence of those videos being genuine than vice-versa.

But what do you gain from "proving" that there are no people on board the ISS? There is almost unlimited photographic and personal evidence that the ISS and other satellites are orbiting the earth.
If I was a brainwashed Globie, I would reject the mass evidence too and say as you have.
NASA is manipulating the minds of it's followers. WAKE UP!

NASA Fails Again & Again | Space is Fake | Glitch on the ISS, ODD Reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS0VN056d68&index=126&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s)
No! You wake up and face the real issue!
If NASA wanted to fool people like they could and would do it without all the apparent "fake NASA ISS interior", apparent "NASA Fakes Being in Space" and "Glitches on the ISS".

But all you can resort to is more attempted proof by appeal to ridicule and ad hominem.
I'm afraid that doesn't work here, we're used to being called NASA fan boys, sheeples and far worse by the likes of Jeranism.

You claim that NASA has unlimited capabilities to fake these things using virtual and enhanced reality. If that is true then there would never be all these glitches an anomalies.
And, I for one, certainly agree that NASA has this capability when one sees the animations of interplanetary missions that could never have been videoed live.
But in these cases NASA does, I believe, state that they are animations.

Don't bother with a reply until you are prepared to answer the points that I raised!
PS The term "TRUTH seekers" doesn't impress me in the slightest.
      True science does not pretend to know "THE TRUTH" but tries to find the best explanations (theories) for what we observe.
       for real onpbservations
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 04, 2018, 02:08:03 AM
There are many things pointed out in those videos that you have not explained, rabinoz. Why are you refusing to explain what is happening in those videos? Your ranting gives the impression that you are in denial over the matter.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 04, 2018, 02:24:02 AM

Truth seekers here, take notes.

Globies believe we are manipulating NASA’s own space footage to discredit it.  But the fact is, NASA is manipulating globies’ minds with high-tech equipment to maintain a brainwashed status over them.    Globies  don’t care for truth as long as they get their fantasy fed.

The fake NASA ISS interior - a technical breakdown by Mike Helmick - Flat Earth, GLOBEBUSTERS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3TE0CAXq_k&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&index=140&t=0s)
In other words you are admitting that all this you beaut modern 3-D real-time simulation is a pile of crap? I don't believe that it is.
If NASA was using the best software available, and apparent they can afford it, there would be none of those glitches.

The sort  of artefacts you are showing would be familiar to anyone with any knowledge of MPEG-2 or H.264. The following video demonstrates artefacts in MPEG-2 under low bandwidth high noise conditions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Rp-uo6HmI

The glitches in your video are not unlike the artefacts expected when the signal is severely degraded.
In my opinion the existence of the artefacts followed by the drop-out is evidence that the video is genuine.
Were it produced by artificial reality there would be no artefacts and dropouts.
As you can see, Globies ignore the evidence against their beloved toy, “ISS”. No amount of enormous evidence proving ISS is fake is going to make a Globie say to a flat earther, “you are correct.”  They can’t have their fantasy toy taken away.
In other words, you have no rational answers to my claim so resort to the logically fallacious appeal to ridicule. That only detracts from your own credibility.

Quote from: Earthman
Proof NASA Fakes Being in Space, ThePottersClay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qwvAivfGM&index=139&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s)
There's no proof there, just an apparent anomaly that you can't explain and I'm under no obligation to explain.

Your whole proof boils down to nothing more than the fact that you cannot or do not want to explain an anomaly and therefore that anomaly is evidence of fakery.
And that is not a proof in anyone's language!

You simply do not get the point.
According to anti-NASA people, like yourself, the organisation has almost unlimited resources to employ the best techniques to create fake videos and I don't doubt that they could now do it.
So if NASA and the other space agencies set out to deceive you there is no way that they would allow apparent anomalies like that pass through.

To some extent, these anomalies are more evidence of those videos being genuine than vice-versa.

But what do you gain from "proving" that there are no people on board the ISS? There is almost unlimited photographic and personal evidence that the ISS and other satellites are orbiting the earth.
If I was a brainwashed Globie, I would reject the mass evidence too and say as you have.
NASA is manipulating the minds of it's followers. WAKE UP!

NASA Fails Again & Again | Space is Fake | Glitch on the ISS, ODD Reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS0VN056d68&index=126&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s)
No! You wake up and face the real issue!
If NASA wanted to fool people like they could and would do it without all the apparent "fake NASA ISS interior", apparent "NASA Fakes Being in Space" and "Glitches on the ISS".

But all you can resort to is more attempted proof by appeal to ridicule and ad hominem.
I'm afraid that doesn't work here, we're used to being called NASA fan boys, sheeples and far worse by the likes of Jeranism.

You claim that NASA has unlimited capabilities to fake these things using virtual and enhanced reality. If that is true then there would never be all these glitches an anomalies.
And, I for one, certainly agree that NASA has this capability when one sees the animations of interplanetary missions that could never have been videoed live.
But in these cases NASA does, I believe, state that they are animations.

Don't bother with a reply until you are prepared to answer the points that I raised!
  • If NASA wanted to fool people like they could and would do it without all the apparent anomalies.

  • What do you gain from "proving" that there are no people on board the ISS? There is almost unlimited photographic and personal evidence that the ISS and other satellites are orbiting the earth.

  • In the end, what  you gain even if you debunk the whole "space industry"?
    The earth would still be a Globe, there would be still no workable flat earth model and still no accurate flat earth map.

PS The term "TRUTH seekers" doesn't impress me in the slightest.
      True science does not pretend to know "THE TRUTH" but tries to find the best explanations (theories) for what we observe.
       for real onpbservations

Globies will not tell you why NASA has to fake space. All they do is cover for those who have lied to them.

NASA Fail Compilation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6073j4v98Y&index=124&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: JCM on November 04, 2018, 03:40:37 AM


Globies will not tell you why NASA has to fake space. All they do is cover for those who have lied to them.

NASA Fail Compilation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6073j4v98Y&index=124&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s

So...  people being assholes to astronauts is evidence of what exactly?  Put yourself in the shoes of them for a minute and think how you would respond to people you view as trolls harassing you mocking your lifetime accomplishments.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on November 04, 2018, 04:50:33 AM
There are many things pointed out in those videos that you have not explained, rabinoz. Why are you refusing to explain what is happening in those videos? Your ranting gives the impression that you are in denial over the matter.
And nobody has attempted to answer any points that I raised. So Maybe you can answer these questions?
  • If NASA wanted to fool people like they could and would do it without all the apparent anomalies.

  • What do you gain from "proving" that there are no people on board the ISS? There is almost unlimited photographic and personal evidence that the ISS and other satellites are orbiting the earth.

  • In the end, what  you gain even if you debunk the whole "space industry"?
    The earth would still be a Globe, there would be still no workable flat earth model and still no accurate flat earth map.

Why should I waste time on videos that are no more than ridicule when Earthman refuses to even acknowledge the points I raised.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: RonJ on November 04, 2018, 04:55:54 AM
No reason the debunk any of these videos.  After all, on this very site, in the FAQ section,  there is a statement that pictures and videos can't really be trusted.  That goes both ways.  Any video for or against the FET or RET models could be a fraud.  Could there be some kind of validation standard for all videos that is acceptable to both sides?  Maybe some videos are made in studios and are intentionally made to look like they are faked as a diversionary tactic for some unknown reason while the real ones are unreleased.  After all NASA has a huge budget and they know that they may have enemies.   
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on November 04, 2018, 05:04:37 AM
Globies will not tell you why NASA has to fake space. All they do is cover for those who have lied to them.
Before you are entitled to ask "why NASA has to fake space" you must prove that NASA does indeed fake space.and you yet to prove that.
You show and ridicule glitches and anomalies but refuse to entertain any other explanation than that "NASA has to fake space" and that is not what an honest investigator would do.

Quote from: Earthman
NASA Fail Compilation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6073j4v98Y&index=124&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0sl)
Bye bye.  Come back when you are prepared to to debate with more than ridicule and attacks on the characters of those don't agree with you.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on November 04, 2018, 07:22:22 AM
There are many things pointed out in those videos that you have not explained, rabinoz. Why are you refusing to explain what is happening in those videos? Your ranting gives the impression that you are in denial over the matter.

I would say, speaking for myself, 'bored' is the more appropriate reason why as not to go through the litany of the salient 'points' of these videos. I mean fine, 'wire-work' used in movies, CGI, all over the place. We have 'deep fakes' now, people's faces put on to others, can't tell the difference. There are audio/video delays, then there aren't, fine, smoking gun, fake. Bubbles, great, whatever. Augmented reality, neutral buoyancy tanks, the list goes on and on. Bored.

The OP is asking for us to 'debunk this stupid video'. So I think it's up to those who feel the video is fake to debunk it. So far, we've got nothing and I am personally bored with the efforts put forth - So trite and too easily refuted/ignored by 'believers' such as myself and has been done a thousand times before. Up the game, at least for shear entertainment factor.

Come up with something salacious, edible; One credible, known, unassailable eyewitness to the fraud that is the ISS, space travel, whathaveyou. All this other stuff is just as subjective as my subjective reasons against them.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 04, 2018, 09:14:49 AM
There are many things pointed out in those videos that you have not explained, rabinoz. Why are you refusing to explain what is happening in those videos? Your ranting gives the impression that you are in denial over the matter.

That's dishonest. Every single one of these videos has been addressed.

In the mean time, no Flat Earther has tried to debunk the main video in this thread. Not even once.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on November 04, 2018, 10:18:32 AM
Those videos showing glitches and saying it must be augmented reality or fake in some way... I get those same video glitches when I talk to my sister on Facetime, it's what happens when you lose wifi signal or something similar and your video can't be decoded in that moment, it's literally an every day thing for people with poor internet (and with the ISS you'd expect it to be a little glitchy with that kind of movement around the world).

And saying stuff like "her necklace floats unrealistically" is down to that guys opinion. Real life can be 'unrealistic'. For example as a game dev I have to create 3D environments and things like trees, but I have to make them look super generic so that they don't stand out and look weird which isn't want happens in nature, you get some funky trees in nature with branches sticking out all over the place. I'd argue that if her necklace was faked, it'd be done in a generic way so as not to look fake, but instead the necklace is acting weird in his opinion which only further proves it's probably real. And also unless the guy has been in zero gravity conditions, can he really be the authority on what looks 'correct' in zero gravity? What makes him an expert? Considering he can't even tell the difference between CGI and a low latency live video stream I'd say the guy was a moron regardless of if ISS is fake or not (which it's not, you can see it).

The real question here is, to avoid going in circles, what would it take to prove to you guys that the video is real? Give us an idea of what you'd think is irrefutable evidence that it's real?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 04, 2018, 03:39:38 PM
There are many things pointed out in those videos that you have not explained, rabinoz. Why are you refusing to explain what is happening in those videos? Your ranting gives the impression that you are in denial over the matter.
And nobody has attempted to answer any points that I raised. So Maybe you can answer these questions?
  • If NASA wanted to fool people like they could and would do it without all the apparent anomalies.

  • What do you gain from "proving" that there are no people on board the ISS? There is almost unlimited photographic and personal evidence that the ISS and other satellites are orbiting the earth.

  • In the end, what  you gain even if you debunk the whole "space industry"?
    The earth would still be a Globe, there would be still no workable flat earth model and still no accurate flat earth map.

Why should I waste time on videos that are no more than ridicule when Earthman refuses to even acknowledge the points I raised.

And please tell the readers why you have ignored the evidence of NASA being exposed using harnesses on ISS.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 04, 2018, 04:26:01 PM
I have found that these videos are often dismissed. We should collect these videos onto a thread in the projects or community forum and then add it to the wiki for reference.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 04, 2018, 07:30:36 PM
I have found that these videos are often dismissed. We should collect these videos onto a thread in the projects or community forum and then add it to the wiki for reference.

I thought the Society forums had a higher standard of arguments than those retarded videos. That's a path I'm not sure you want to take.

One of the most damning proofs is the fact NASA has been caught faking ISS with harnesses time and time again.

Any example of 'being caught'? Assuming you mean something else than the speculations of a random youtuber.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on November 04, 2018, 09:21:26 PM
Why should I waste time on videos that are no more than ridicule when Earthman refuses to even acknowledge the points I raised.

And please tell the readers why you have ignored the evidence of NASA being exposed using harnesses on ISS.

Thanks,
Where did you prove "NASA being exposed using harnesses on ISS"?
All I see are videos so highly doctored by NASAphobes that no-one in their right minds would bother with them!
Show me some videos that are not cluttered with total idiocy and I might consider them.

Surely the Flat Earth Society has better standards of evidence and proof than the rubbish you deal up. Still, I guess your fans lap it up!

This makes as much sense as you highly doctored videos:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/mq2ibog04s41zv5/Ultimate%20Proof%20against%20Flat%20earth.jpg?dl=1)

Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 04, 2018, 09:50:40 PM
Why should I waste time on videos that are no more than ridicule when Earthman refuses to even acknowledge the points I raised.

And please tell the readers why you have ignored the evidence of NASA being exposed using harnesses on ISS.

Thanks,
Where did you prove "NASA being exposed using harnesses on ISS"?
All I see are videos so highly doctored by NASAphobes that no-one in their right minds would bother with them!
Show me some videos that are not cluttered with total idiocy and I might consider them.

Surely the Flat Earth Society has better standards of evidence and proof than the rubbish you deal up. Still, I guess your fans lap it up!

This makes as much sense as you highly doctored videos:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/mq2ibog04s41zv5/Ultimate%20Proof%20against%20Flat%20earth.jpg?dl=1)

Nope, that's also incorrect. Cats don't like water and they sure can't climb an ICE Wall, which holds back the waters edge.

Did you know the "Edge" is a Globie concept?

Did you know we flat Earthers are in good company? That's right, Tesla also believed much like what we do. Imaging that! See the pic below.

I will get to the issue of a true Checkmate with you at a later time. Be prepared!
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 04, 2018, 09:59:18 PM
I have found that these videos are often dismissed. We should collect these videos onto a thread in the projects or community forum and then add it to the wiki for reference.

I thought the Society forums had a higher standard of arguments than those retarded videos. That's a path I'm not sure you want to take.

One of the most damning proofs is the fact NASA has been caught faking ISS with harnesses time and time again.

Any example of 'being caught'? Assuming you mean something else than the speculations of a random youtuber.

Oh, my, you don't want those videos included. What are you afraid of? Would you also like if they didn't include this one too?  It's also exposes NASA's lies. Be sure to watch it all so you know how to teach against it.

Grab a cup of coffee, it's about an hour long exposure of lies we all have been taught.

Planet Flat Earth | 2018 Nature Documentary II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7_9eIAlT4&index=69&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 05, 2018, 12:25:45 AM
Like I said, if one NASA video is fake there all fake. In the following ISS video, bubbles are seen again in space. This is from a NASA official video.

I also find it amazing that NASA is advertising on Flat Earth YouTube channels. Please let the ad finish so the Youtuber gets paid from NASA. At least we can get some of our tax dollars back.

GET OUT OF THE POOL NASA! More Space Bubbles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PB7AwZzaOo&index=49&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on November 05, 2018, 01:39:01 AM
That's right, Tesla also believed much like what we do. Imaging that! See the pic below.
(https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10895.0;attach=2278;image)
I will get to the issue of a true Checkmate with you at a later time. Be prepared!
I will consider what you say after you remove you blatant misquote of that firm believer in the Heliocentric Solar System, Nikola Tesla!
That is not a quotation from Tesla, he did not say "The stars are attached to the Firmament!" He did say:
If you disagree show a reference in Tesla's writing to all of your quote!  And Nikola Tesla certainly did not believe much like you do! Read this!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
What I can't work out is why Tesla seems to be held up as a hero by so many flat earthers.  He certainly did not believe the earth to be flat or stationary! See this address by him:
          HOW COSMIC FORCES SHAPE OUR DESTINIES, ("Did the War Cause the Italian Earthquake") by Nikola Tesla (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1915-02-07.htm)
also at
           — How Cosmic Forces Shape Our Destinies — ("Did the War Cause the Italian Earthquake"), New York American, February 7, 1915[/b] (https://www.pbs.org/tesla/res/res_art10.html)  in which he states:
Quote from: Nicola Tesla
NATURAL FORCES INFLUENCE US
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Accepting all this as true let us consider some of the forces and influences which act on such a wonderfully complex automatic engine with organs inconceivably sensitive and delicate, as it is carried by the spinning terrestrial globe in lightning flight through space. For the sake of simplicity we may assume that the earth's axis is perpendicular to the ecliptic and that the human automaton is at the equator. Let his weight be one hundred and sixty pounds then, at the rotational velocity of about 1,520 feet per second with which he is whirled around, the mechanical energy stored in his body will be nearly 5,780,000 foot pounds, which is about the energy of a hundred-pound cannon ball.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The sun, having a mass 332,000 times that of the earth, but being 23,000 times farther, will attract the automaton with a force of about one-tenth of one pound, alternately increasing and diminishing his normal weight by that amount

Though not conscious of these periodic changes, he is surely affected by them.

The earth in its rotation around the sun carries him with the prodigious speed of nineteen miles per second . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From the above address.
I have also read, though I cannot verify it right now, that one reason Tesla disliked Einstein so much is that he believed that Einstein destroyed "Newton's gravitation".

And if you read Tesla's own writings describing his inventions he refers explicitly to the Globe many times - he was not flat earth believer!

From what I can gather, Tesla did not deny Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, just differed with Einstein's "curved spacetime" explanation of it.

Sure, Nicola Tesla had a lot of "different ideas", but he most certainly did not believe in a flat stationary earth.
Come back when fix your deceptive comments and your misquoting of what Nikola Tesla said!
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on November 05, 2018, 01:55:05 AM
Like I said, if one NASA video is fake there all fake. In the following ISS video, bubbles are seen again in space. This is from a NASA official video.
As I keep saying and you totally ignore,  if NASA wanted to deceive everybody they could do it easily!

Quote from: Earthman
I also find it amazing that NASA is advertising on Flat Earth YouTube channels. Please let the ad finish so the Youtuber gets paid from NASA. At least we can get some of our tax dollars back.
GET OUT OF THE POOL NASA! More Space Bubbles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PB7AwZzaOo&index=49&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s)
And you believe Jeran Campanella? What a joke! He's a total ignoramus of the first order with no understanding of the Heliocentric Globe he tries to debunk.
But he picks up quite  few grand a month fro YouTube so he must have plenty of like-minded sycophants.

But tell your mad mate that if NASA were faking it there would be no "glitches" (artefacts due to noise in highly compressed video streams).

If this is the sort of rubbish you need to prop up your belief in a flat earth it doesn't say much for any real evidence you might have.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: globeboyobservingflatboys on November 05, 2018, 02:42:44 AM
as you can tell by my username, i am not a flat earther myself, but am merely trying to see your points of view. Anyhow I just found it strange that although you said you did not see any signs of fakery you instinctively just thought, "this must be fake", it makes it sound as if you are losing hope in your theory, next time you should back it up with what makes you feel that it is fakery. thank you for your time p.s saying its "stupid" makes you sound very unprofessional.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 05, 2018, 01:23:57 PM
Oh, my, you don't want those videos included. What are you afraid of? Would you also like if they didn't include this one too?  It's also exposes NASA's lies. Be sure to watch it all so you know how to teach against it.

Grab a cup of coffee, it's about an hour long exposure of lies we all have been taught.

Planet Flat Earth | 2018 Nature Documentary II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7_9eIAlT4&index=69&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s

So I watched this video, although I'd already watched many from ODD TV. From the get go, a few claims are flat out wrong.

Everybody can check for themselves that:

- The horizon doesn't rise to eye level
- The Sun doesn't shrink near the horizon
- Moonlight isn't colder than its shade
- The 'real stars' through a telescope are just out of focus

As I understand it, the Society doesn't support those lies nor the work of Eric Dubay.

The problem is that those videos repeat the same lies but never answer anything. They just parrot each other by copying and rearranging the same content. There's never any attempt to explain the statements that contradict reality.

I asked you for an example of NASA being caught using harnesses. This video doesn't refer to anything like it. You could send me 500 more like this one and you still wouldn't answer my question. That's why I asked you earlier to stop jumping to the next video. There's nothing to be afraid of. If you're not going to answer anything, it's just a waste of time.

Can you answer my question? When did NASA get caught using harnesses?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 05, 2018, 01:40:12 PM
Like I said, if one NASA video is fake there all fake. In the following ISS video, bubbles are seen again in space. This is from a NASA official video.

I also find it amazing that NASA is advertising on Flat Earth YouTube channels. Please let the ad finish so the Youtuber gets paid from NASA. At least we can get some of our tax dollars back.

GET OUT OF THE POOL NASA! More Space Bubbles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PB7AwZzaOo&index=49&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s

How do you know that these are bubbles? Did you ever try to investigate what else they could be? Or do you just assume they're bubbles because it fits your story?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 05, 2018, 02:25:00 PM
NASA caught faking ISS again with harnesses. Also check out the woman's permed hair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-huF7fRlnA
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 05, 2018, 02:29:33 PM
You would have to be blind and brainwashed not to believe NASA is faking the ISS with the use of harnesses and Virtual Reality.

If one Video is fake there all is fake.

Check out the deceivers.

NASA ISS "Astronaut" Caught Faking Space Uses A Harness During Live Feed With Boise State

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iZX8riQ90w
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 05, 2018, 02:41:42 PM
Do you still think NASA is not faking the ISS?

NASA LIES FAKE ISS harnesses, hairspray, and zero g planes, oh my!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CpY-tG7qCs
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Curious Squirrel on November 05, 2018, 02:47:07 PM
You would have to be blind and brainwashed not to believe NASA is faking the ISS with the use of harnesses and Virtual Reality.

If one Video is fake there all is fake.

Check out the deceivers.

NASA ISS "Astronaut" Caught Faking Space Uses A Harness During Live Feed With Boise State

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iZX8riQ90w
So they spend millions (you claim even billions) on these productions, yet they can't stop a guy from going across the video feed like that not once, but twice? What's the evidence that's a harness and not something sticking up because of the lack of gravity? Does how he is hanging jive with a harness wrapped around his waist? You can't just go 'look at this thing' and not examine it further, which is all this video does. There's a thing sticking up from about his waist. Great. You claim it's part of a harness system. What's your evidence it's part of a harness system? Doubly so as you ignore the spinning hat happening right in front of him. I know you'll say that's AR or whatever BS you're claiming, but how could they manage to do that and ignore the dude floating by behind? That's honestly the biggest problem with the NASA conspiracy imo. These guys are apparently bright enough, talented enough, and wealthy enough to put AR to use for years before it was in the public eye. But they can't catch and edit out things like a guy going by behind in a harness? Or some dude looking like he's grabbing a wire? You are simultaneously painting them as the smartest people in the room, but also the dumbest. They've become Bond villains.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 05, 2018, 02:48:05 PM
How much evidence do Globies need to accept the fact ISS is being faked? 

The evidence is overwhelming.

ISS HARNESS FAILS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zcicL7MK9A
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Curious Squirrel on November 05, 2018, 03:24:17 PM
How much evidence do Globies need to accept the fact ISS is being faked? 

The evidence is overwhelming.

ISS HARNESS FAILS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zcicL7MK9A
1) You can see the mic got caught on her shirt somehow and this produces the weird 'snap' of her shirt when she gets it loose.
2) Nothing here indicates the claim. He doesn't have to shift his foot up to get around a 'wire' and the 'catch' happens behind his torso. There's no actual evidence his foot was caught on anything.
3) Looks more like being careful of where the object might be. He doesn't look down during the movement. So he's simply guessing where it is at first. What is this supposed to be 'proving' anyway?
4) Once again nothing to actually indicate proof for the claim. The feet stop being 'together' behind his torso, and his foot doesn't move visibly in a way to get around something. His pant leg doesn't get pressed in either.

There's no actual evidence here that anything has happened, just confirmation bias.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on November 05, 2018, 03:33:39 PM
Is that video a joke? The first instance the woman clearly caught her cuff on her top then un-snagged in a slight downward motion. The second instance there is no getting caught on anything, he looks like he was just getting his bearings/balance right. Third instance with the microphone the guy looks like he doesn't want to grab it from an awkward angle and does a decent job at avoiding hitting the microphone as he moves his hand around it, to avoid making the microphone go flying off. Finally the last instance the guy is once again doing a spin and probably just keeping his balance. at no point is there any actual evidence of wires. Look closer at the video, the guy "tripping on wires" has no tension in his clothing or anything to suggest he got caught. It seems like standing on one foot is that guys go to balance. Show me a video where you see an actual wire.

You guys seem to think NASA are capable of pulling off this huge conspiracy yet somehow, some average joe on the internet is outsmarting them by pointing out random things and calling it wires? You really think some youtuber is going to outsmart NASA trying to hide the biggest conspiracy? No, if they wanted to fake it you wouldn't notice anyway. The fact that these random things are happening are imperfections of life that actors wouldn't want to simulate.

I mean go watch TV, you see actors messing up during the shows? No, they have bloopers though which means if they mess up, they do another take. You really think NASA wouldn't do multiple takes if they thought "oh shoot, the actor tripped on the wire"? Seriously you'd have to be a special kind of special to think that video proves anything remotely close to Nasa faking it.

EDIT: Curious Squirrel ninja'd my post with the exact same answer lol
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 05, 2018, 04:41:55 PM
NASA caught faking ISS again with harnesses. Also check out the woman's permed hair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-huF7fRlnA

There's no harness or wire in this video. The guy says it's there but you can't see anything looking remotely like a harness.

First he claims that the wire is at the top left of the screen (right side of the guy who spins), then that it's attached to his waist on the right (his left side). How does that work exactly to lift him from the ground?

If he had a harness, it would be visible at least under his clothes or in his back. But we fully see his clothes and his back when he spins, there's nothing.

Are you suggesting that the woman has a harness in her hair? Or on her necklace?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 05, 2018, 05:06:50 PM
NASA caught faking ISS again with harnesses. Also check out the woman's permed hair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-huF7fRlnA

There's no harness or wire in this video. The guy says it's there but you can't see anything looking remotely like a harness.

First he claims that the wire is at the top left of the screen (right side of the guy who spins), then that it's attached to his waist on the right (his left side). How does that work exactly to lift him from the ground?

If he had a harness, it would be visible at least under his clothes or in his back. But we fully see his clothes and his back when he spins, there's nothing.

Are you suggesting that the woman has a harness in her hair? Or on her necklace?


Why do things have to be pointed out to globies?   

Please use common sense when watching video again.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 05, 2018, 05:14:33 PM
Why do things have to be pointed out to globies?

Alright, what are you pointing out? Where's the harness?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 05, 2018, 07:16:48 PM
NASA just can't stop screwing up during a ISS live feed. Anyone that has common sense and is not a globie can clearly see NASA is faking ISS.

The movie "Gravity" is more believable than live feeds from ISS. 

NASA live feed EPIC FAIL! They cut live feed right as her harness malfunctions!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qf7qayXvFQ
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 05, 2018, 07:25:25 PM
NASA just can't stop screwing up during a ISS live feed. Anyone that has common sense and is not a globie can clearly see NASA is faking ISS.

The movie "Gravity" is more believable than live feeds from ISS. 

NASA live feed EPIC FAIL! They cut live feed right as her harness malfunctions!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qf7qayXvFQ

You're still not answering any question... Instead of linking more videos, why not try to defend the previous ones that have been criticized?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 05, 2018, 07:39:08 PM
NASA just can't stop screwing up during a ISS live feed. Anyone that has common sense and is not a globie can clearly see NASA is faking ISS.

The movie "Gravity" is more believable than live feeds from ISS. 

NASA live feed EPIC FAIL! They cut live feed right as her harness malfunctions!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qf7qayXvFQ

You're still not answering any question... Instead of linking more videos, why not try to defend the previous ones that have been criticized?

The deception in the video is obvious. There is no need for me to narrate and point things out. You don't accept the fact NASA fakes space. So what! I could care less. 
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 05, 2018, 07:51:53 PM
The deception in the video is obvious. There is no need for me to narrate and point things out. You don't accept the fact NASA fakes space. So what! I could care less.

No, it's not obvious. What's obvious is that the woman reaches to grab onto something. Everybody can see that.

If you want others to consider this as proof of deception, you're going to need arguments. What is the deception here?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on November 05, 2018, 07:54:11 PM
NASA just can't stop screwing up during a ISS live feed. Anyone that has common sense and is not a globie can clearly see NASA is faking ISS.

The movie "Gravity" is more believable than live feeds from ISS. 

NASA live feed EPIC FAIL! They cut live feed right as her harness malfunctions!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qf7qayXvFQ
Once again, that video shows she started moving after grabbing the microphone, her leg was in the thing on the side so she started to pivot down with her foot as a pivot point, then she quite clearly grabs something with her hand on the right side, pulling herself before the feed cuts. There is no falling, she didn't do any jerky movements that you'd expect from someone who unexpectedly falls. And you say gravity is more believable, thats becuase it's a movie and they were aiming for believable, real life isn't perfect like movies depict. That's like saying all romance in real life is fake because it's not as perfect as romcoms... 
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on November 05, 2018, 08:08:48 PM
NASA just can't stop screwing up during a ISS live feed. Anyone that has common sense and is not a globie can clearly see NASA is faking ISS.

The movie "Gravity" is more believable than live feeds from ISS. 

NASA live feed EPIC FAIL! They cut live feed right as her harness malfunctions!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qf7qayXvFQ

You're still not answering any question... Instead of linking more videos, why not try to defend the previous ones that have been criticized?

The deception in the video is obvious. 

I would agree. The guy's poorly rendered goatee is obviously fake, a disguise of sorts. As well, the background is no doubt green screened. I mean who puts those throw pillows with that bedspread? No one. And most people have closets, he should hang those shirts properly. Think of the wrinkles. This guy is a savage.

Considering, I suspect, you have never been in a zero G environment, I'm not sure you are in a position to determine whether someone is trying to stabilize themselves or not nor the manner by which someone may go about it.

If this is 'smoking gun' materiel for you, then, well, that's sad. Produce an unassailable, verifiable human that has first hand knowledge of the conspiracy and we can chat. In the mean time, all of this stuff so far is quite lame from an evidence standpoint.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 06, 2018, 01:10:39 AM
Look this video got sent to me the other day and i am no expert on video stuff, so like i figure they are using ropes and stuff, but like i said, i am not confident in my argument on how they faked this... only that they DID!

Anyone whos interested take a look, I probably missed something, god be with ye all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTmdIhYnes

Actually, NASA did a fair job faking this ISS video.  Others have pointed out minor things, and I see the astronaut looks stressed trying to maintain his composure in alleged 0 gravity.
I give NASA a C- for this production, although the Sandra Bullock “Gravity” movie was much more believable.

I’m sure the NASA actornaut and “faking crew” trained for weeks and shot hundreds of clips to get the most convincing film with no exposed harnesses.  No CGI or Virtual Reality glitches were noticeable in this video, as were in many other ISS videos. However, if one is fake, they’re all fake! 

Truth Seekers take notes.  One of the most damning proofs is the fact NASA has been caught faking ISS with harnesses time and time again. I am amazed 99.9% of Globies don’t address this. It’s like it does not matter; they’re going to believe it anyway because flat earthers can’t be right, right?

Politicians are puppets and astronauts are too, and Globies don't care.

Let’s all go to the “NASA Puppet Show”  and count how many astronauts on strings they use on the FAKE International Space Station.
 'Puppet Show" - an ISS exposé -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZ9sqvH9dY

Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Rama Set on November 06, 2018, 01:45:23 AM
Are you just plugging your own videos?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 06, 2018, 02:11:41 AM
Are you just plugging your own videos?

I am not that talented. However, I am helping to debunk the stupid videos NASA produces to make sure their followers maintain a brainwashed status.

As I said, NASA did a fair job faking the ISS video first posted by the OP but they have made a mess of others. It's necessary to show how long and how much they fake space. If one is fake there all fake.

Did you know they fake space?  That's right, they do.  The following video shows more of their trickery and deceit. If Earth was truly a Ball, then why do they have to fake it so much?

Some Terrible Footage of Fake Space - So Fake It's Funny

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8whhpHqYr1k&index=4&t=0s&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on November 06, 2018, 02:37:57 AM
Are you just plugging your own videos?

I am not that talented. However, I am helping to debunk the stupid videos NASA produces to make sure their followers maintain a brainwashed status.

As I said, NASA did a fair job faking the ISS video first posted by the OP but they have made a mess of others. It's necessary to show how long and how much they fake space. If one is fake there all fake.

Did you know they fake space?  That's right, they do.  The following video shows more of their trickery and deceit. If Earth was truly a Ball, then why do they have to fake it so much?

Some Terrible Footage of Fake Space - So Fake It's Funny

You're not providing any evidence. All you're doing is slapping an hour and 45 minute video up (along with a children's song video) and yelling, "See, look!" It's like you think none of us have ever heard of the youtube before.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 06, 2018, 02:57:36 AM
Are you just plugging your own videos?

I am not that talented. However, I am helping to debunk the stupid videos NASA produces to make sure their followers maintain a brainwashed status.

As I said, NASA did a fair job faking the ISS video first posted by the OP but they have made a mess of others. It's necessary to show how long and how much they fake space. If one is fake there all fake.

Did you know they fake space?  That's right, they do.  The following video shows more of their trickery and deceit. If Earth was truly a Ball, then why do they have to fake it so much?

Some Terrible Footage of Fake Space - So Fake It's Funny

You're not providing any evidence. All you're doing is slapping an hour and 45 minute video up (along with a children's song video) and yelling, "See, look!" It's like you think none of us have ever heard of the youtube before.

Oh, but I am providing a lot of evidence of NASA's fake crap. You little negative remark means nothing. There are many readers here who have not seen this evidence and they see you guys are up a creek without a paddle.   
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on November 06, 2018, 04:10:15 AM
Are you just plugging your own videos?

I am not that talented. However, I am helping to debunk the stupid videos NASA produces to make sure their followers maintain a brainwashed status.

As I said, NASA did a fair job faking the ISS video first posted by the OP but they have made a mess of others. It's necessary to show how long and how much they fake space. If one is fake there all fake.

Did you know they fake space?  That's right, they do.  The following video shows more of their trickery and deceit. If Earth was truly a Ball, then why do they have to fake it so much?

Some Terrible Footage of Fake Space - So Fake It's Funny

You're not providing any evidence. All you're doing is slapping an hour and 45 minute video up (along with a children's song video) and yelling, "See, look!" It's like you think none of us have ever heard of the youtube before.

Oh, but I am providing a lot of evidence of NASA's fake crap. You little negative remark means nothing. There are many readers here who have not seen this evidence and they see you guys are up a creek without a paddle.

The point is what you're doing is simply spraying the thread with un-watchably long videos and saying, "Look, it's right there, it's fake!" Just as easily I could just perpetually post video after video of ISS, Apollo, shuttle, spacex whathaveyou footage and say, "Look, it's right there, it's real!" There's no point in doing so. You're not debunking anything and I wouldn't be debunking your debunking effort in doing so. I find it odd that you don't get it.

Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: titidam on November 06, 2018, 04:58:37 AM
Even if you watch the video and debunk it thoroughly, point by point, Earthman isn't going to answer. He'll just reply with another video. Why bother?
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on November 07, 2018, 05:56:46 AM
Even if you watch the video and debunk it thoroughly, point by point, Earthman isn't going to answer. He'll just reply with another video. Why bother?
hopefully it'll tire him down and he'll eventually come to realise he doesn't have an actual argument. And anyone else reading this will see the videos claiming NASA is faking were debunked and less people will fall victim to its stupidity. The more people realise these videos don't make sense the better.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: rabinoz on November 07, 2018, 06:13:40 AM
Oh, but I am providing a lot of evidence of NASA's fake crap. You little negative remark means nothing. There are many readers here who have not seen this evidence and they see you guys are up a creek without a paddle.
No you are not. If NASA were trying to make fake videos you would never detect the glitches, artefacts and apparent anomalies.
The fact that happen and NASA releases them to the public is far more evidence of NASA's openness than their covering anything up.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 07, 2018, 07:19:41 AM
They argue "there is no way NASA could do this so perfectly" in one breath and "there is no way NASA could make all of these mistakes" in another.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on November 07, 2018, 08:11:29 AM
They argue "there is no way NASA could do this so perfectly" in one breath and "there is no way NASA could make all of these mistakes" in another.
assuming they're mistakes. I don't think getting your cuff caught on your top for a second is a mistake.. Just a thing that happens.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on November 07, 2018, 10:23:54 AM
They argue "there is no way NASA could do this so perfectly" in one breath and "there is no way NASA could make all of these mistakes" in another.
While FE argues that "the technology and budget is there to fake these videos" in one breath and "they are so incompetent at doing so that they keep making mistakes" in another :)
As I keep saying, I've yet to see any analysis of these videos from anyone who is actually an expert in this area.
Right now it's just a load of supposition and confirmation bias.
And it's noted the level of scrutiny FE applies to these videos (which you have to believe to be fake if you're going to maintain a belief in FE) where no scrutiny at all is applied to anything which seems to back up the idea of a FE.
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: MattyWS on November 07, 2018, 10:41:45 AM
"As I keep saying, I've yet to see any analysis of these videos from anyone who is actually an expert in this area."

Just to quickly confirm, I'm an expert in the CGI field as a technical / VFX /3D game artist with over 7 years professional experience and even more as a hobbyist before that (started 3D modelling at the age of 14 and am now 29) and I see no foul play or proof of being fake in NASAs videos. You can see my comments in here debunking claims that they're faked.

My credentials can be easily found online linkedin.com/in/matty-wyett-simmonds-a296a141
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Earthman on November 07, 2018, 05:13:47 PM
NASA has all types of tools to fake ISS. Harnesses, Virtual Reality,  Photoshop and the use of green screens just like Hollywood uses. If you're not brainwashed with curve, you will be able to see NASA using green screens. 

Here's another epic green screen failure from the ISS and our friends at NASA.

The "International Space Station" is an international hoax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYpiNCHLNVw
Title: Re: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: junker on November 07, 2018, 05:26:32 PM
NASA has all types of tools to fake ISS. Harnesses, Virtual Reality,  Photoshop and the use of green screens just like Hollywood uses. If you're not brainwashed with curve, you will be able to see NASA using green screens. 

Here's another epic green screen failure from the ISS and our friends at NASA.

The "International Space Station" is an international hoax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYpiNCHLNVw

It is obvious you have no shortage of videos to post. Instead of just making a claim and posting a video, how about providing some actual context? Maybe a particular timestamp of the video where people should look. As it stands, the video doesn't substantiate what you are claiming. If you are going to post videos, then actually try to make a discussion around it, otherwise it will be considered low-content and will be removed, along with a warning issued. If you just want to complain about NASA without having a discussion, then please do so in the Angry Ranting forum.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: mael_cookie on December 02, 2018, 05:48:25 PM
It is actually pretty simple. In respects of all the physical laws, he is filming a video in the ISS, in a near zero G state.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Tumeni on December 06, 2018, 01:39:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TssbmY-GM

Watch the watch. And the water.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on December 07, 2018, 12:28:32 PM
Watch the watch. And the water.
OK. What are we looking for?
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Tumeni on December 12, 2018, 03:30:54 PM
Watch the watch. And the water.
OK. What are we looking for?

The behaviour of the watch cannot be accounted for with any claim of wires etc. holding it up, down or sideways. It's following its own path, totally unhindered by gravity.

Likewise the water.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: markjo on December 12, 2018, 06:25:24 PM
Watch the watch. And the water.
OK. What are we looking for?

The behaviour of the watch cannot be accounted for with any claim of wires etc. holding it up, down or sideways. It's following its own path, totally unhindered by gravity.

Likewise the water.
But their behavior can be accounted for with CGI and augmented reality.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: stack on December 12, 2018, 07:32:16 PM
Watch the watch. And the water.
OK. What are we looking for?

The behaviour of the watch cannot be accounted for with any claim of wires etc. holding it up, down or sideways. It's following its own path, totally unhindered by gravity.

Likewise the water.
But their behavior can be accounted for with CGI and augmented reality.

Water and Hair have been the Holy Grail of CGI FX for a long time. Thank Cameron for beginning to crack the code on water (Liguid) CGI starting with T2 and the Abyss and really doing amazing stuff with the Atlantic in Titanic. Thank Pixar for hair starting with Monsters INC. Fast forward to today and still, the motion capture (mocap) and sheer processing power required to do even just the water bit in this video is still astounding. Not that it couldn't be done. But not easy to do so as convincingly as it is here. Couple that with all of the effects necessary for all of the 100's of hours of live and recorded ISS footage, it would be far cheaper, less labor intensive to just launch some humans up to a space station.

The only real reason an FEr tries to come up with conspiratorial ways the footage is fake is b/c the existence of humans looking back down on earth from an ISS blows the whole flat earth deal.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on December 13, 2018, 11:16:49 AM
But their behavior can be accounted for with CGI and augmented reality.
In this day and age quite possibly. Not so much back in the Skylab days from which there is plenty of footage of astronauts doing acrobatics in a way that I don't believe could have been done using harnesses in such a complicated way. Do you have any evidence of fakery other than that "it could be done"? You could apply that to anything.
When I look at Jurassic Park I don't believe the dinosaurs are real because I know there are no live dinosaurs any more.
But with this footage, I know people are real, I know rockets are real - I've seen lots of film of them and I saw a Shuttle launch personally once. I know the ISS is real, you can see it from earth and I've seen videos of it doing transits of the moon, one of those was from Jeranism so this isn't RE propaganda.
So on what basis would I think this footage fake? I believe the earth is a globe but if it wasn't it wouldn't change my life, I have no agenda here other than sticking up for the truth. All the "evidence" I have seen of fakery in ISS footage is supposition and vague assertions that fakery is possible or that "it looks fake". That isn't evidence. What actual experience an expertise do you have in analysing footage to claim with any confidence that this is fake.

As stack says, it's only because FE people *have* to think this is fake in order to maintain a FE belief. It seems to be a mess of cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias rather than based on actual evidence.
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Tumeni on December 14, 2018, 09:56:38 PM
The behaviour of the watch cannot be accounted for with any claim of wires etc. holding it up, down or sideways. It's following its own path, totally unhindered by gravity.

Likewise the water.
But their behavior can be accounted for with CGI and augmented reality.
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... only if you actually prove the use of CGI and/or "augmented reality" (whatever that might be)
Title: Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
Post by: Cocopuff on December 31, 2018, 06:17:27 PM
It IS real.  That is why it looks real.  Don't feel stupid bc you can't "debunk" reality.