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Title: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Tumeni on July 30, 2018, 08:10:01 AM
Following on from a Suggestions and Concerns post where I was prompted to open a new thread;

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=10277.0

NASA's image is already tainted and questionable.

Why is it particularly about NASA?

Humankind had figured out the Earth was a globe long before NASA. NASA are now only a small player in a worldwide satellite and space launch industry. Look at this schedule, and count how many of the upcoming launches are NOT NASA launches....

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

NASA aren't the only ones involved. There are Russian, European, Japanese, weather satellites sending pictures of the globe
every 10 minutes or so. International agencies are involved in independent tracking of other orbital satellites. Some of these are independent operators, not Governmental space agencies.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Toddler Thork on July 30, 2018, 08:37:47 AM
NASA told the biggest and most ridiculous lie of them all. They told people that man had walked on the moon. Its the most outlandish, the most easily debunked and the most startling example of how big a lie they are willing to tell. It is such a big lie that it is listed as a major historical footnote. That's why NASA.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Tumeni on July 30, 2018, 08:45:50 AM
NASA told the biggest and most ridiculous lie of them all. They told people that man had walked on the moon. Its the most outlandish, the most easily debunked and the most startling example of how big a lie they are willing to tell. It is such a big lie that it is listed as a major historical footnote. That's why NASA.

Off-topic.

The topic is the shape of the Earth.

Even if, IF - IF - NASA had faked the whole Apollo programme, proof of that is still NOT a proof that they faked anything else, nor that they have actually lied about anything else.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Toddler Thork on July 30, 2018, 08:52:07 AM
Off-topic.

???

You directly asked in the OP

Why is it particularly about NASA?

And I gave you a direct answer to the question YOU asked. Look at the thread title YOU chose!

It seems you are butthurt about not being allowed to discuss this in S&C having been told that was off-topic (which it was) and you are doing this out of gamesmanship, not to actually have a debate. But you are terrible at gamesmanship. The thread is all yours.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Tumeni on July 30, 2018, 09:05:03 AM
The topic is whether or not the Earth is a globe, and you're saying it's 'about NASA' because of your disbelief of the lunar landings, which are unconnected, except in a tangential sense, to the shape of the Earth. Fakery there is no proof of fakery elsewhere.


In S&C, it was specifically 'suggested' that I start a new thread, since my point of view was unwelcome there.

So I started a new thread.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Toddler Thork on July 30, 2018, 09:27:02 AM
And you started that thread in 'FE Investigations', not 'FE theory' suggesting this thread is not about the shape of the earth, but about things loosely connected ... such as NASA's involvement in hoaxes.

You titled the thread about NASA, you asked why specifically NASA, and you received an answer telling you why exactly NASA.

But I think it obvious to all you aren't remotely interested in the topic at hand. You just wanted to remonstrate with someone to abuse the rules. That failed. This thread belongs to Thork now. And once it is in AR, the rest of the community will give their thoughts on how butt hurt you are. 
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Pete Svarrior on July 30, 2018, 09:33:24 AM
Both of you need to re-evaluate your priorities.

Tumeni, starting threads on topics you want to discuss is really not that hard. Your thread does explicitly ask a question: "Why is it particularly about NASA?" It also contrasts it with the activities of other nations. Yes, you made a thread about NASA, and not about how you think the Earth is round.

Thork, you don't run a shadowy cabal of people who don't have to follow the rules. Your posts until then were fine, but the most recent one clearly doesn't belong here.

On a separate note: someone who's known to have lied is going to be much less trustworthy than someone who isn't. As such, even if you want to maintain a complete disconnect between supposed space missions, you can't just hand-wave them away.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Toddler Thork on July 30, 2018, 09:35:40 AM
Both of you need to re-evaluate your priorities.

Tumeni, starting threads on topics you want to discuss is really not that hard. Your thread does explicitly ask a question: "Why is it particularly about NASA?" It also contrasts it with the activities of other nations. Yes, you made a thread about NASA, and not about how you think the Earth is round.

Thork, you don't run a shadowy cabal of people who don't have to follow the rules. Your posts until then were fine, but the most recent one clearly doesn't belong here.
I reasoned at this stage an AR split had to have already been made. The OP has gone way off topic and isn't even interested in his own thread. He's only interested in proving a point about what is and isn't off-topic having been told off by you not 20 mins earlier for it. I shall leave this thread ... do as you will.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 30, 2018, 10:02:52 PM
Following on from a Suggestions and Concerns post where I was prompted to open a new thread;

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=10277.0

NASA's image is already tainted and questionable.

Why is it particularly about NASA?

Humankind had figured out the Earth was a globe long before NASA. NASA are now only a small player in a worldwide satellite and space launch industry. Look at this schedule, and count how many of the upcoming launches are NOT NASA launches....

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

NASA aren't the only ones involved. There are Russian, European, Japanese, weather satellites sending pictures of the globe
every 10 minutes or so. International agencies are involved in independent tracking of other orbital satellites. Some of these are independent operators, not Governmental space agencies.

NASA has never launched a rocket or built a space ship. It's a group of contractors.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: JHelzer on July 31, 2018, 03:32:51 AM
NASA has never launched a rocket or built a space ship. It's a group of contractors.
Where's the "like" button?
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Tumeni on July 31, 2018, 07:18:30 AM
NASA has never launched a rocket or built a space ship. It's a group of contractors.

OK, and ... ??

Are you saying it's OK for all and sundry to claim "NASA lies about the shape of our Earth" (even though they are not a sole authority on this) and this is excused by claiming that NASA is not a single entity?

Or ... what?
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Tumeni on July 31, 2018, 07:20:59 AM
... someone who's known to have lied is going to be much less trustworthy than someone who isn't. As such, even if you want to maintain a complete disconnect between supposed space missions, you can't just hand-wave them away.

Are you explicitly saying that NASA is this someone? If so, how do you know they have lied?
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Pete Svarrior on July 31, 2018, 09:50:59 AM
Are you explicitly saying that NASA is this someone? If so, how do you know they have lied?
That's entirely irrelevant to my point here. You said that even if NASA had lied, it doesn't mean they should be suspected of lying more than once. I propose that this is a naïve assertion.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on July 31, 2018, 11:16:48 AM
This thread has gone a bit weird, the OP asks why the focus on NASA and the answers are "because they faked this, or lied about that" which
a) Is all supposition and
b) Is irrelevant to the OP.

The OP was making the point that even if NASA are faking everything, they are nowhere near the only space agency launching rockets.
And even if all space agencies are faking it, all that shows is that space travel is impossible and there is a global conspiracy to pretend that it is for...reasons.
Still doesn't mean the earth is flat, there are plenty of other ways of determining that it isn't, we figured out the shape of the earth thousands of years ago, long before we could fly let alone go into space.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: markjo on July 31, 2018, 01:09:30 PM
... someone who's known to have lied is going to be much less trustworthy than someone who isn't. As such, even if you want to maintain a complete disconnect between supposed space missions, you can't just hand-wave them away.

Are you explicitly saying that NASA is this someone? If so, how do you know they have lied?
A better question might be "do you know of someone who has never lied about anything?"
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Pete Svarrior on July 31, 2018, 05:40:19 PM
A better question might be "do you know of someone who has never lied about anything?"
That would be even worse than the original question. At least the original question didn't inject a deliberately flawed analogy.

To answer a hypothetical question that hasn't been markjo'd: Yes, I knew a fair few organisations who do not fabricate their very reasons for existence.

the OP asks why the focus on NASA and the answers are "because they faked this, or lied about that"
No. The OP asks why the focus is on NASA. The focus is not exclusively on NASA, so a reasonable human has to interpret that question in the only other possible way: "Why do you talk about NASA more than you do about other groups?" The answer to that question is given in the first sentence of the first response:

NASA told the biggest and most ridiculous lie of them all.

Why are they receiving the most flak? Because they've (supposedly) told the biggest lie. Whether or not they lied might be controversial to you, but the actual answer to the OP is just an exercise in stating the blatantly obvious. It is the resultant objections which are off-topic, given how the topic was stated.

Now, if the intention was to ask why we focus exclusively on NASA, then the answer becomes much simpler: "We don't. Next!"
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 31, 2018, 06:18:23 PM
NASA has never launched a rocket or built a space ship. It's a group of contractors.

OK, and ... ??

Are you saying it's OK for all and sundry to claim "NASA lies about the shape of our Earth" (even though they are not a sole authority on this) and this is excused by claiming that NASA is not a single entity?

Or ... what?

Since NASA actually exists as multiple private entities, it pretty much invalidates your point that none of the entities on your site are NASA. SpaceX is a NASA contractor, and is seen to be putting up satellites for Argentina in your list. It may as well be NASA putting up satellites for Argentina.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: markjo on July 31, 2018, 06:43:11 PM
A better question might be "do you know of someone who has never lied about anything?"
That would be even worse than the original question. At least the original question didn't inject a deliberately flawed analogy.

To answer a hypothetical question that hasn't been markjo'd: Yes, I knew a fair few organisations who do not fabricate their very reasons for existence.
Would you care to elaborate on what "very reasons for existence" you believe that NASA fabricated? 
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: JHelzer on August 01, 2018, 05:57:30 AM
Would you care to elaborate on what "very reasons for existence" you believe that NASA fabricated?

From the wiki...
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There is no Flat Earth Conspiracy. NASA is not hiding the shape of the earth from anyone. The purpose of NASA is not to 'hide the shape of the earth' or 'trick people into thinking it's round' or anything of the sort.

There is a Space Travel Conspiracy. The purpose of NASA is to fake the concept of space travel to further America's militaristic dominance of space. That was the purpose of NASA's creation from the very start: To put ICBMs and other weapons into space (or at least appear to). The motto "Scientific exploration of new frontiers for all mankind" was nothing more than a front.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on August 01, 2018, 08:12:58 AM
Why are they receiving the most flak? Because they've (supposedly) told the biggest lie. Whether or not they lied might be controversial to you, but the actual answer to the OP is just an exercise in stating the blatantly obvious. It is the resultant objections which are off-topic, given how the topic was stated.

Now, if the intention was to ask why we focus exclusively on NASA, then the answer becomes much simpler: "We don't. Next!"
I think that's fair enough. The focus does seem to be on NASA and their "lies", but I guess they are the poster boys for space travel so that makes sense.

In terms of their "biggest lie", someone else recently posted a couple of links one of which went through all the 3rd parties which were tracking the Apollo missions.
One of whom was Jodrell Bank who tracked both US and Russian missions during the space race:
http://www.jodrellbank.net/20-july-1969-lovell-telescope-tracked-eagle-lander-onto-surface-moon/
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: Tumeni on August 01, 2018, 08:25:19 AM
This is typical of the responses/statements made by FEers or Team Hoax when satellites are mentioned;

... there simply is no evidence for satellites. Round earthers will often cite sources that list the time and location to track certain satellites. However, this doesn't prove that the objects seen are heavier-than-air objects floating around a spherical earth. These objects could very well be balloons that NASA routinely deploys into the atmosphere in order to give viewers the impression that satellites are real.

and, all of sudden, the focus shifts from a worldwide satellite industry to exclusively "NASA lies" ...

Seen similar hundreds of times over at YouTube, as well as here. 
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: raptureman2020 on August 20, 2018, 04:48:56 PM
 No, it’s not all about NASA.  What it is all about is hiding the existence of divine intelligence.  It is to hide the existence of The Creator God. Colossians 2:9  For in JESUS dwelleth the fullness of the GODHEAD.  This whole thing is to hide the existence of JESUS The Father. We all have to understand we have been deceived in so many ways and areas, even in what the Creator God’s name is, and we have been told his name is YAHWEY/YHWH/YHVH.  However, this is impossible.  The language used to speak of YAHWEY/YHVH/YHWH/YESHUA did not exist until approximately 900 BC called Aramaic.   I believe The Creator God was alive and doing well before 900 BC. When Moses spoke with the HOLY SPIRIT, at the burning bush, He did not use those letters He used JESE/JEUE.  Of course those letters looks strangely like the name of JESUS don’t they?  This is why it says in the New Testament the name above every names is JESUS. Yes JESUS said if you have seen Me you have seen The Father.  Did He not? Never did He say that He was YAHWEY. NASA and the illuminati are fighting tooth and nail to hide the existence of JESUS. In Isaiah 40:22 it is JESUS that sits upon the “disk” of the Earth.  If NASA and the illuminati can hide this “disk”, and they can hide JESUS, they can claim that the Scriptures are on true.  To what end you might ask? They are Luciferian and they worship Amun Ra/Ra/Horus/Nimrod/Satan. This deception was planned right after the fall of Adam [the man], of Genesis 2:7-22 not Genesis 1:25-27.  This is a flat earth website, not time for church, so if you want to know the difference in those you’ll have to respond and let me know and I will explain the very controversial meanings of all this.  This is why the flat earth has been hidden.
Title: Re: It's not all about NASA
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on August 20, 2018, 07:47:14 PM
NASA and the illuminati are fighting tooth and nail to hide the existence of JESUS.
Are they? How odd they would allow this to be broadcast to the whole world then

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=njpWalYduU4

While we are here, one of the first things Buzz Aldrin did on the moon was to take communion, that is not so well known about though.