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Title: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on July 29, 2018, 03:40:20 PM
With articles such as New Hampshire being too white (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/us/new-hampshire-white-diversify.html) hitting front page news, what are our members thoughts on such a statement?

Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire are among the whitest states in the entire US (each above 93% white population). Yet all three of them also have the lowest crime rate. Now, without slipping into an amazing argument about whether or not white = no crime, let's talk instead about the fact that they're talking about importing immigrants for "diversity purposes". These immigrants come almost entirely from violent third world nations. Is it then no surprise that states with higher immigration also have higher violent crime rates?

Should we really strive to "diversify" areas simply for the sake of diversity? Is there something inherently wrong with a state that's almost entirely white?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on July 29, 2018, 03:49:47 PM
Preaching to the converted. I don't see anyone complaining that Japan has too many Japanese people or that the Congo has too many blacks. Its just the same old assault on white people because we have too many cucks that would agree with such a stupid notion.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: garygreen on July 29, 2018, 03:59:50 PM
yeah all the cards sure are stacked against white people
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Roundy on July 29, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
yeah all the cards sure are stacked against white people

I know, when will the oppression end?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on July 29, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
yeah all the cards sure are stacked against white people

I know, when will the oppression end?

You're both completely ignoring the topic questions and just trying to make pointless quips. Congratulations for being part of the anti-intellectual problem in America.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: garygreen on July 29, 2018, 04:15:34 PM
fwiw tbh tbqh i was only making fun of thork's "assault on white people" remark.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on July 29, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
itt

too many cucks that would agree with such a stupid notion.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on July 29, 2018, 04:29:07 PM
I think doing anything for “diversity” sake is stupid. If it is done so that large cities don’t bear all the burdens of immigration, I can get behind that.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: garygreen on July 29, 2018, 04:40:23 PM
didn't say i disagreed with the op, but okay.

tbh it doesn't matter how many brown folks you import to the ne.  none of them will live around white folks.  they'll be relegated to their own little corner of town with shittier schools and services and jobs, and then everyone will scratch their heads wondering why their crime rates are higher. 

america is segregated as fuck.  adding brown people to new hampshire won't change that.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Lord "Supreme Cultural Dictator" Dave on July 29, 2018, 04:57:43 PM
The lowest crime rate is largely due to the sparse population.  Population density and crime rate are very directly correlated.  So small towns spread over large areas will always have low crime rate, regardless of the ethnicity of the population.(unless it's like villages being attacked by terrorists or something)
As for importing people: Considering most immigrants don't go far from their entry point, the North East is about as far from non-white people as you can get.  It's simply not where immigrants would go.  By all means try to make incentives, post ads in southern states or in the major cities.  But it's certainly not necessary.  I don't think a community NEEDS to diversify, just be accepting if it happens.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on July 29, 2018, 05:01:21 PM
The lowest crime rate is largely due to the sparse population.  Population density and crime rate are very directly correlated.  So small towns spread over large areas will always have low crime rate, regardless of the ethnicity of the population.(unless it's like villages being attacked by terrorists or something)
As for importing people: Considering most immigrants don't go far from their entry point, the North East is about as far from non-white people as you can get.  It's simply not where immigrants would go.  By all means try to make incentives, post ads in southern states or in the major cities.  But it's certainly not necessary.  I don't think a community NEEDS to diversify, just be accepting if it happens.

New Hampshire ranks #3 in lowest violent crime rate, but is the 27th most population dense state in the US. Try again, and this time don't just make something up.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: garygreen on July 29, 2018, 05:19:56 PM
The lowest crime rate is largely due to the sparse population.  Population density and crime rate are very directly correlated.  So small towns spread over large areas will always have low crime rate, regardless of the ethnicity of the population.(unless it's like villages being attacked by terrorists or something)
As for importing people: Considering most immigrants don't go far from their entry point, the North East is about as far from non-white people as you can get.  It's simply not where immigrants would go.  By all means try to make incentives, post ads in southern states or in the major cities.  But it's certainly not necessary.  I don't think a community NEEDS to diversify, just be accepting if it happens.

New Hampshire ranks #3 in lowest violent crime rate, but is the 27th most population dense state in the US. Try again, and this time don't just make something up.

it's a tiny state, so one moderately sized city can have a huge effect on the average population density.  a simple ranking doesn't come close to capturing the distribution of population densities throughout a state.

for example:
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/new-hampshire/population-density#map
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/michigan/population-density#map

michigan and new hampshire have a similar mean population density, but the distribution of densities by county is very different.  and of course it is.  a single city is small compared to the total size of michigan; even if one city has a huge population density, michigan has a lot more space with no cities at all, whereas new hampshire does not.

Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Lord "Supreme Cultural Dictator" Dave on July 29, 2018, 06:47:30 PM
The lowest crime rate is largely due to the sparse population.  Population density and crime rate are very directly correlated.  So small towns spread over large areas will always have low crime rate, regardless of the ethnicity of the population.(unless it's like villages being attacked by terrorists or something)
As for importing people: Considering most immigrants don't go far from their entry point, the North East is about as far from non-white people as you can get.  It's simply not where immigrants would go.  By all means try to make incentives, post ads in southern states or in the major cities.  But it's certainly not necessary.  I don't think a community NEEDS to diversify, just be accepting if it happens.

New Hampshire ranks #3 in lowest violent crime rate, but is the 27th most population dense state in the US. Try again, and this time don't just make something up.
1. what garry said.2. It's not the only factor.3. I did not know that violent crimes were the only crimes. 
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Roundy on July 29, 2018, 07:03:14 PM
fwiw tbh tbqh i was only making fun of thork's "assault on white people" remark.

As was I.

I actually agree with Rushy. It's stupid. There I commented on the topic.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on July 29, 2018, 10:06:29 PM
The lowest crime rate is largely due to the sparse population.  Population density and crime rate are very directly correlated.  So small towns spread over large areas will always have low crime rate, regardless of the ethnicity of the population.(unless it's like villages being attacked by terrorists or something)
As for importing people: Considering most immigrants don't go far from their entry point, the North East is about as far from non-white people as you can get.  It's simply not where immigrants would go.  By all means try to make incentives, post ads in southern states or in the major cities.  But it's certainly not necessary.  I don't think a community NEEDS to diversify, just be accepting if it happens.

New Hampshire ranks #3 in lowest violent crime rate, but is the 27th most population dense state in the US. Try again, and this time don't just make something up.

it's a tiny state, so one moderately sized city can have a huge effect on the average population density.  a simple ranking doesn't come close to capturing the distribution of population densities throughout a state.

for example:
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/new-hampshire/population-density#map
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/michigan/population-density#map

michigan and new hampshire have a similar mean population density, but the distribution of densities by county is very different.  and of course it is.  a single city is small compared to the total size of michigan; even if one city has a huge population density, michigan has a lot more space with no cities at all, whereas new hampshire does not.

The size of the state doesn't matter at all, that's why we use averages and rates. This is a classic case of misunderstanding statistics  and why you and Dave shouldn't be making up random correlations.

Even worse, you're both completely ignoring the topic, choosing instead on trying to wiggle around random hypotheses that you're not willing to check beyond a Google search and I'm not willing to take hours of time to correct by teaching you statistics 101.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 30, 2018, 05:44:38 AM
If the author had said that there were too many black people in Detroit they would have been drug out onto the street and killed.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: markjo on July 30, 2018, 05:29:15 PM
If the author had said that there were too many black people in Detroit they would have been drug out onto the street and killed.
You didn't read the article, did you?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Dionysios on August 07, 2018, 03:11:41 AM
Is there something inherently wrong with a state that's almost entirely white?
It’s not just the northeast, by the way. This applies to the entire United States outside of the old South where the traditional economies are slavery which is surely racist, but it’s an exploitational form of racism. The rest of the US practiced wholesale genocide after about 1890 which forced minorities into the security of numbers in the big cities which is why you find a rural black belt in the South, but not in the rest of the US.

The majority of municipalities or counties, and towns throughout the entire USA (outside of the Old South) were made virtually all white between 1890 and 1940 deliberately through violence, and it has been maintained that way through racism including racist culture, laws, government, etc. The Civil Rights movement helped tremendously with this, but the truth of it is deliberately hidden. It’s not taught in schools.

I discovered this through James Lloewen’s book who gave a talk with Q & A about it at a DC bookstore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8lTVjdLR4E
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Dionysios on August 07, 2018, 03:29:42 AM
‘North of Slavery: The Negro in the Free States 1790-1860’
By Leon Litwack (1961)
https://www.amazon.com/North-Slavery-Negro-States-1790-1860/dp/0226485862

An informative civil rights era book that went against the grain giving a devastating account of racism in the north - a well documented view that collided with the way Americans are taught to think.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: LiqwdE on August 16, 2018, 03:50:43 AM
My 2 cents.

Segregation is wrong.
Forced desegregation is just as wrong.

To many black is the ghetto, move white folks in. To many whites in the trailer park, move Chinese in. China town is full of asians let's find some Hispanics. It's stupid. Dont force people out, but can't force them to be together either.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2018, 02:38:52 AM
It's not uncommon for people to self-segregate based on any number of racial, ethnic, socioeconomic, etc., criteria   It's called tribalism.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on August 17, 2018, 03:21:50 AM

.... let's talk instead about the fact that they're talking about importing immigrants for "diversity purposes". These immigrants come almost entirely from violent third world nations.

Has anyone considered how much this sounds like the 1600s? Majority white community imports "immigrants" from third world nations....

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Is it then no surprise that states with higher immigration also have higher violent crime rates?

You can't attribute future immigrants to past crimes. Though it might be true that states with immigration have higher crime rates, your semantics are presumptuous.

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Should we really strive to "diversify" areas simply for the sake of diversity? Is there something inherently wrong with a state that's almost entirely white?

We shouldn't try to use the "Affirmative Action" approach, that never works out. But we might benefit from trying to understand our biases. Often segregated communities, or diverse-lacking communities, will form unconscious biases towards others outside their collectives, and exhibit theses biases in situations that are destructive. Making ourselves aware of our biases is a good way to counter their effects. This way we can deter racism and discrimination.

Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on August 26, 2018, 12:50:15 PM
We shouldn't try to use the "Affirmative Action" approach, that never works out. But we might benefit from trying to understand our biases. Often segregated communities, or diverse-lacking communities, will form unconscious biases towards others outside their collectives, and exhibit theses biases in situations that are destructive. Making ourselves aware of our biases is a good way to counter their effects. This way we can deter racism and discrimination.

Why should we give a crap about any other race? The Native Americans are always the first to complain about their land and right to be there. But they themselves arrived from other land masses. And when they got to America, they discovered a race of men called the Denisovans. Now the Denisovans ... you can think of them as Neanderthals. With one difference ... they were a race of people over 7 feet tall. They found a 7' 2" skeleton of a woman. The men could be larger.
https://www.gaia.com/lp/content/giant-skeletons-have-been-found-buried-in-mounds-across-america/

Well if you delve into Native American history, this tallies well, because their folklore is all about slaying giants. And their cave paintings have them slaying giants. And those giants weren't afforded the mercy that native Amerians got from the compassionate white man who is still providing them with technology and welfare and casino rights. No. The Native Americans slaughtered every last one of the Denisovans so they never had to hear them whine about how they had their land taken. Might is right. History is written by the victors. A dog eat dog world.

And I don't want to hear about how we are so much smarter now etc. Its rubbish. Most of the genetic illness modern white humans have today is from interbreeding with neandathals. It made us weak ... not strong.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25944817

Many of the STI diseases we still have today also came from mixing up people.
https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/common-std-may-have-come-from-neanderthals-32671

We got syphilis from the Native Americans!

Diversity doesn't make you strong. It makes you very very weak. It encourages disease, weakens your genetics and destroys your culture. Its only the compassionate white man that has any of this nonsense. Japan isn't full of Africans. You don't see china filling up with Arabs. You don't see Iran full of Africans. And when you let Africans rule African nations, the first thing they do is expel all the white people. See Kenya, Zimbabwe, South Africa.

White people need to purge their homelands in Europe and assert their claim on the Americas ... and being as they are strong and powerful enough to do it, they should get on with it before we are weakened more by these opportunistic invaders. Treat these people as they would treat us if they were powerful. By exterminating them.  >o<
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on August 26, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

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And I don't want to hear about how we are so much smarter now etc. Its rubbish.

Why is it rubbish?  Because you have reasons or because it doesn't fit with your misanthropic troll?

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Most of the genetic illness modern white humans have today is from interbreeding with neandathals. It made us weak ... not strong.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25944817

You didn't read the article very well.  Perhaps try again?

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Many of the STI diseases we still have today also came from mixing up people.
https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/common-std-may-have-come-from-neanderthals-32671

With every action, there can be both positive and negative consequences.  Sorry the world is so hard.

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We got syphilis from the Native Americans!

They got small pox from Europeans!!!

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Diversity doesn't make you strong. It makes you very very weak. It encourages disease, weakens your genetics and destroys your culture. Its only the compassionate white man that has any of this nonsense. Japan isn't full of Africans. You don't see china filling up with Arabs. You don't see Iran full of Africans. And when you let Africans rule African nations, the first thing they do is expel all the white people. See Kenya, Zimbabwe, South Africa.

White people need to purge their homelands in Europe and assert their claim on the Americas ... and being as they are strong and powerful enough to do it, they should get on with it before we are weakened more by these opportunistic invaders. Treat these people as they would treat us if they were powerful. By exterminating them.  >o<

I would prefer to find a way through the world that can coexist peacefully with the globally connected technology we are developing.  Fortunately,  I think your protests are just what is expected to happen when things change.  It's hard, all the adults get how you feel.  You are like a mewling teenager who thought the world was ending when Facebook changed their UI.

P.S. With all the spelling errors, I am going to assume you were hammered when you vomited this.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on August 26, 2018, 03:25:35 PM
Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.
Well that is interesting because if I don't hire black people, the first thing I am accused of is being racist.

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And I don't want to hear about how we are so much smarter now etc. Its rubbish.
Why is it rubbish?  Because you have reasons or because it doesn't fit with your misanthropic troll?
Because things are done for political gain and exploitation of the general population. not because it actually makes sense for us as a culture. It is all very short term thinking.

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Many of the STI diseases we still have today also came from mixing up people.
https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/common-std-may-have-come-from-neanderthals-32671

With every action, there can be both positive and negative consequences.  Sorry the world is so hard.
There are no positives to multiculturalism unless you are the immigrant.

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We got syphilis from the Native Americans!

They got small pox from Europeans!!!
And they deserved it. We should never have mixed. A quick extermination and there would have been no issues.

I would prefer to find a way through the world that can coexist peacefully with the globally connected technology we are developing.  Fortunately,  I think your protests are just what is expected to happen when things change.  It's hard, all the adults get how you feel.  You are like a mewling teenager who thought the world was ending when Facebook changed their UI.
Except coexisting means tirelessly supporting lesser peoples with lower IQs, with a higher prevalence to commit crime, a greater dependence on the welfare state and perpetual complaining about racial profiling, black lives mattering and how the white man needs to keep ceding power to those with their little brown hands held out demanding free stuff with nothing to offer in return.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on August 26, 2018, 04:27:26 PM
Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.
Well that is interesting because if I don't hire a black man, the first thing I am accused of is being racist.

Has this happened to you? Or are you just making shit up? Black people don’t get hired frequently.

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And I don't want to hear about how we are so much smarter now etc. Its rubbish.
Why is it rubbish?  Because you have reasons or because it doesn't fit with your misanthropic troll?
Because things are done for political gain and exploitation of the general population. not because it actually makes sense for us as a culture. It is all very short term thinking.

A culture doesn’t have needs. It’s a result of human interaction. Short term thinking is that your hurting in some way so it must be bad long term.

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Many of the STI diseases we still have today also came from mixing up people.
https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/common-std-may-have-come-from-neanderthals-32671

With every action, there can be both positive and negative consequences.  Sorry the world is so hard.
There are no positives to multiculturalism unless you are the immigrant.

America has benefited in some way from every wave of immigration. The filthy Saxons and Britons might still be barbarians without the Romans.

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We got syphilis from the Native Americans!

They got small pox from Europeans!!!
And they deserved it. We should never have mixed. A quick extermination and there would have been no issues.

Yes, blame the Indians for Europeans showing up. Quality Thork troll.

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I would prefer to find a way through the world that can coexist peacefully with the globally connected technology we are developing.  Fortunately,  I think your protests are just what is expected to happen when things change.  It's hard, all the adults get how you feel.  You are like a mewling teenager who thought the world was ending when Facebook changed their UI.
Except coexisting means tirelessly supporting lesser peoples with lower IQs, with a higher prevalence to commit crime, a greater dependence on the welfare state and perpetual complaining about racial profiling, black lives mattering and how the white man needs to keep ceding power to those with their little brown hands held out demanding free stuff with nothing to offer in return.

Ignoring the numerous inaccuracies in your rant, the current climate in multiculturalism has been the exception and not the norm throughout history.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: junker on August 26, 2018, 07:55:55 PM
By exterminating them.  >o<

You say this so casually. Who will be doing the exterminating? You? I think we know you are far too much of a coward to follow up on any of the ideals you claim to hold. You just use this forum as a place to espouse your angst (rather odd for someone so old) without any intention on on walking the walk. You are all talk, Thork. If there was any sort of conflict, you would cower and hide. You aren't built for this, as much as you like to think you are. What is the closest you have ever come to willfully taking the life of another human? You hope for others to carry out this ridiculous fantasy of yours. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on August 26, 2018, 09:11:03 PM
There are two types of people. Leaders and followers. I need followers like you to act on my leadership. So long as I have the courage to ask you to do it, and you don't neglect your duties, we don't have a problem. Hitler didn't turn on the gas himself. He had Nazis. I'm here doing my bit ... what's your problem?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on August 26, 2018, 09:41:32 PM
There are two types of people. Leaders and followers. I need followers like you to act on my leadership. So long as I have the courage to ask you to do it, and you don't neglect your duties, we don't have a problem. Hitler didn't turn on the gas himself. He had Nazis. I'm here doing my bit ... what's your problem?

The only thing Nazis are good at in 2018 is getting beat up.

Regardless, I think you've thoroughly ruined this thread. You've yet again turned a perfectly okay thread from "hey maybe we shouldn't equate 'diversity' with 'make areas not white'" and transformed it straight into "gas the jews, race war now". You're the reason that the opposition to these strange diversity quotas keeps getting kneecapped.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: junker on August 26, 2018, 10:06:54 PM
There are two types of people. Leaders and followers. I need followers like you to act on my leadership. So long as I have the courage to ask you to do it, and you don't neglect your duties, we don't have a problem. Hitler didn't turn on the gas himself. He had Nazis. I'm here doing my bit ... what's your problem?

Yeah, I knew you were a beta larper...
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on September 14, 2018, 07:13:51 AM
Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

I can define multiple races and am more than willing.

At the very least Asian, Caucasian and Negroid.
Your position is untenable.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 14, 2018, 04:34:18 PM
Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

I can define multiple races and am more than willing.

At the very least Asian, Caucasian and Negroid.
Your position is untenable.

What you have defined are variations in The species, but we are all still of the same species, and we are called homosapians, a.k.a. The human race.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on September 14, 2018, 06:35:29 PM
Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

I can define multiple races and am more than willing.

At the very least Asian, Caucasian and Negroid.
Your position is untenable.


... and what race would the children of a Caucasian and an Asian be?

 
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on September 14, 2018, 07:21:09 PM
Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

I can define multiple races and am more than willing.

At the very least Asian, Caucasian and Negroid.
Your position is untenable.

What you have defined are variations in The species, but we are all still of the same species, and we are called homosapians, a.k.a. The human race.

Would you prefer the word "breed" then? What you're doing is trying (pointlessly) to redefine a word that already has a widely accepted definition. It sounds like you need to pick up a dictionary.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 14, 2018, 10:49:47 PM
Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

I can define multiple races and am more than willing.

At the very least Asian, Caucasian and Negroid.
Your position is untenable.

What you have defined are variations in The species, but we are all still of the same species, and we are called homosapians, a.k.a. The human race.

Would you prefer the word "breed" then? What you're doing is trying (pointlessly) to redefine a word that already has a widely accepted definition. It sounds like you need to pick up a dictionary.

Society has already redefined the word "race". "Race" is just a word to distinguish between varying societies and cultures. Human "race" is nonetheless a race, no redefinition needed. And it's not pointless -  when try to distinguish ourselves from other variations of species, we tend to create a slight narcissistic view of the world, but it's only natural
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on September 15, 2018, 01:17:25 AM
Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

I can define multiple races and am more than willing.

At the very least Asian, Caucasian and Negroid.
Your position is untenable.

How do you define a negroid then?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on September 15, 2018, 01:43:04 AM
Society has already redefined the word "race". "Race" is just a word to distinguish between varying societies and cultures. Human "race" is nonetheless a race, no redefinition needed. And it's not pointless -  when try to distinguish ourselves from other variations of species, we tend to create a slight narcissistic view of the world, but it's only natural

Admitting variations between races is not narcissism, but simply realism. By trying to pointlessly redefine the term "race" and claim "we're all the same" you're denying that each and everyone of us has our own strengths and weaknesses. We're all different, some of us more different than others, and some of us exceedingly more similar to some races than others. In fact, I would argue that narcissism is believing that all of humanity is the same as you.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: King Salmon on September 15, 2018, 02:02:39 AM
Why should we give a crap about any other race?

Why should people give a crap about others of their own race? Why should people care about those beyond those closest to them, their family and friends?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 15, 2018, 03:02:41 AM
Why should we give a crap about any other race?

Why should people give a crap about others of their own race? Why should people care about those beyond those closest to them, their family and friends?
You might want to have sex with the girl down the road or the sister of some guy in the pub. But you aren't going to want to have sex with a black person.
You might want to hire a talented expert for your company. Black people aren't talented.
You might want to sell your products to other people. Black people don't have any money.

You should give a crap about people who enrich your life. Not so much those who don't.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on September 15, 2018, 03:15:38 AM
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Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

I can define multiple races and am more than willing.

At the very least Asian, Caucasian and Negroid.
Your position is untenable.

How do you define a negroid then?

An easy way would be skull shape and melanin content.

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Caucasoid,_Negroid,_Mongoloid,_Australoid,_Capoid

Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

I can define multiple races and am more than willing.

At the very least Asian, Caucasian and Negroid.
Your position is untenable.


... and what race would the children of a Caucasian and an Asian be?

Hapa, silly.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on September 15, 2018, 03:30:10 AM
Black people aren't talented.

Incorrect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_100_metres_world_record_progression
(All black men.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CO1Hx_DVSU#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxQ6IzBUMF0#

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WpSqvrP4Q
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on September 15, 2018, 03:33:32 AM
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Why should we give a crap about any other race? (clipped jongoistic editorializing)

We are all humans.  There is only one race, you couldn't define a race if you wanted to.

I can define multiple races and am more than willing.

At the very least Asian, Caucasian and Negroid.
Your position is untenable.

How do you define a negroid then?

An easy way would be skull shape and melanin content.

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Caucasoid,_Negroid,_Mongoloid,_Australoid,_Capoid


I notice that every definition has a caveat in it such as "often" or "typically".  There is also the disclaimer, "It is important to note that many of these characteristics only have a higher frequency among particular races and the presence or absence of one or more does not automatically classify an individual into a racial group." This tells me that there is no definite definition of a race that can completely describe the group.  I don't think you could ever find a one size fits all description of a particular phenotype. 

It seems that race is most often used, by terrible people, like Thork, to express their fear of other people.  Regardless, mandating diversity is almost as dangerous as trying to achieve segregation.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on September 15, 2018, 03:40:56 AM
It seems that race is most often used, by terrible people, like Thork, to express their fear of other people.

Regardless if that is the case Race is real and well established.

We are all the same species. Different races are different subspecies. It doesn't mean anyone is better or worse. We just can't ignore the truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspecies

People don't like talking about this because it does give bigots ammuntion but it's the truth.

I'm from Australia and our aboriginals were genetically and geographically isolated for 40 000 years.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on September 15, 2018, 03:49:22 AM
It seems that race is most often used, by terrible people, like Thork, to express their fear of other people.

Regardless if that is the case Race is real and well established.

We are all the same species. Different races are different subspecies. It doesn't mean anyone is better or worse. We just can't ignore the truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspecies

People don't like talking about this because it does give bigots ammuntion but it's the truth.

I'm from Australia and our aboriginals were genetically and geographically isolated for 40 000 years.

I agree and I dont want to ignore the biological truth of people's lineage.  What I dislike, and why I think terms like race should only be used sparingly, is that in most common usages it is a tool to divide people, and make lives worse.  You have the shitty race-baiting twats, like Thork, who use race as a way to try and protect their fragile identity, and then you have progressive leftists who use race for similar reasons.  It gets dangerously tribalistic real quick.  I dont think race should be shoved down anyone's throat at any time, because in everyday life it is largely irrelevant.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on September 15, 2018, 04:04:24 AM
Look that's fair enough and I agree.

I think Thork is just trolling, id tell him to go back to /pol/ but I think he was laughed out of there.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: King Salmon on September 15, 2018, 04:27:57 AM
Why should we give a crap about any other race?

Why should people give a crap about others of their own race? Why should people care about those beyond those closest to them, their family and friends?
You might want to have sex with the girl down the road or the sister of some guy in the pub. But you aren't going to want to have sex with a black person.

History and genetic analysis shows otherwise.

You might want to hire a talented expert for your company. Black people aren't talented.
You might want to sell your products to other people. Black people don't have any money.

You should give a crap about people who enrich your life. Not so much those who don't.

If we take your assertion that black people are worthless as true, then why would they care about their own race? Why shouldn't everyone care about the 'best' race, and not their own race?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on September 15, 2018, 12:17:35 PM

Black people aren't talented.


Well dude, not everyone on the planet can be as talented as you. I bet you're a real Liza Minelli.

BTW: Thanks for the new sig line.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 15, 2018, 02:37:41 PM
Society has already redefined the word "race". "Race" is just a word to distinguish between varying societies and cultures. Human "race" is nonetheless a race, no redefinition needed. And it's not pointless -  when try to distinguish ourselves from other variations of species, we tend to create a slight narcissistic view of the world, but it's only natural

Admitting variations between races is not narcissism, but simply realism. By trying to pointlessly redefine the term "race" and claim "we're all the same" you're denying that each and everyone of us has our own strengths and weaknesses. We're all different, some of us more different than others, and some of us exceedingly more similar to some races than others. In fact, I would argue that narcissism is believing that all of humanity is the same as you.

By stating we are the "human race" that does not mean I ignore differences between individuals. You have a knack for putting words in my mouth. I'm not denying anything; in fact, I agree with you that believing everyone is the same as "me" is narcissistic, so is thinking that everyone is different than "me" - it's the "me" factor that makes it narcissistic. As a human race though, we are all much more similar than we are different. It is when people forget this fact that they start buying into racism and prejudice.

Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

Thork, either you are trolling, or you are a narcissistic bigot. You might want to watch your words in this thread; I don't think you'll find much support for that way of thinking.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on September 15, 2018, 05:58:07 PM
Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

You're mixing up the words "race" and "ethnicity". Ethnicity is your cultural background and race is your biological background. Your race cannot be determined by your culture and vice-versa. Racism is specifically prejudice based on someone's biological characteristics, though there are many people who have repeatedly tried to redefine the word to mean something broader, much like you're trying to do right now. This is the root of arguments, for example, where an educated person says "you cannot be racist against Russians" and an uneducated person says "you can be racist against Russians." Russian is a nationality, which is part of your ethnicity, not your race. However, comments such as "I hate black people" are racist, because they specifically target a biological quality of a person. It's important to remember that your biology doesn't determine your culture, and this is why the difference between the word "race" and the word "ethnicity" is very important.

The people who want you to believe your race is "fueled by culture" are the very same people who want to put you in a stereotype box based on your race.


Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 15, 2018, 06:08:36 PM
Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

You're mixing up the words "race" and "ethnicity". Ethnicity is your cultural background and race is your biological background. Your race cannot be determined by your culture and vice-versa. Racism is specifically prejudice based on someone's biological characteristics, though there are many people who have repeatedly tried to redefine the word to mean something broader, much like you're trying to do right now.

If you don't understand something I said, please ask for clarification instead of continually and impudentently straw manning me. RacISM is different than racE. I was talking about racISM. It is sourced by ignorant egoists and cultural bias.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on September 15, 2018, 06:10:49 PM
Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

You're mixing up the words "race" and "ethnicity". Ethnicity is your cultural background and race is your biological background. Your race cannot be determined by your culture and vice-versa. Racism is specifically prejudice based on someone's biological characteristics, though there are many people who have repeatedly tried to redefine the word to mean something broader, much like you're trying to do right now.

If you don't understand something I said, please ask for clarification instead of continually and impudentently straw manning me. RacISM is different than racE. I was talking about racISM. It is sourced by ignorant egoists and cultural bias.

Racism is merely an expansion on the term "race". Please read my fully edited post.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 15, 2018, 06:20:27 PM
Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

You're mixing up the words "race" and "ethnicity". Ethnicity is your cultural background and race is your biological background. Your race cannot be determined by your culture and vice-versa. Racism is specifically prejudice based on someone's biological characteristics, though there are many people who have repeatedly tried to redefine the word to mean something broader, much like you're trying to do right now.

If you don't understand something I said, please ask for clarification instead of continually and impudentently straw manning me. RacISM is different than racE. I was talking about racISM. It is sourced by ignorant egoists and cultural bias.

Racism is merely an expansion on the term "race". Please read my fully edited post.

Not merely, they actually have separate meanings... Race is something you "are", racism is something you "do". People are not racist because of who they are or where they come from. People are racist because of social and cultural bias, ignorance, fear, and hate. None of those social characteristics determine your biology, and the act of prejudice is not due to your race.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 15, 2018, 06:47:50 PM
Black people aren't talented.

Incorrect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_100_metres_world_record_progression
(All black men.)

*Some video links*

That's it? Eddie Murphy, Muhammad Ali and Tupac? That's their best contribution to the world?

I raise you Isaac Newton, Michelangelo and Rachel Riley's backside.

Also I'm not sure having a higher response to extraneous testosterone injections is a 'talent'.

You might want to watch your words in this thread; I don't think you'll find much support for that way of thinking.
And here come the shit-eating leftists with their silence anyone who disagrees with them mantra.  ::)
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 15, 2018, 07:07:27 PM
Black people aren't talented.

Incorrect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_100_metres_world_record_progression
(All black men.)

*Some video links*

That's it? Eddie Murphy, Muhammad Ali and Tupac? That's their best contribution to the world?

I raise you Isaac Newton, Michelangelo and Rachel Riley's backside.

Also I'm not sure having a higher response to extraneous testosterone injections is a 'talent'.

You might want to watch your words in this thread; I don't think you'll find much support for that way of thinking.
And here come the shit-eating leftists with their silence anyone who disagrees with them mantra.  ::)

How about Neil degrass Tyson? Martin Luther? Barack Obama?

I will not try to silence you, my cautioning you was simply for your own benefit - being racist is not only unpopular, it is incredibly ignorant behavior and for you to be blatently prejudice demonstrates a real lack of intelligence.

I won't say "everyone" is racist, but most people are. Understanding that your biases and prejudices are born of ignorance and fear is the start of the end of racism.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: junker on September 15, 2018, 08:28:24 PM
You might want to watch your words in this thread; I don't think you'll find much support for that way of thinking.
And here come the shit-eating leftists with their silence anyone who disagrees with them mantra.  ::)

Lay off the personal attacks, Thork. Keep it in CN/AR. Warned
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on September 15, 2018, 10:11:02 PM
People often, in the act of being racist ascribe cultural practices to people of certain phenotypes. Unfortunately though many educated people are still racist. There are strong evolutionary reasons to mistrust outsiders and as high minded as people get, “awareness” and education aren’t always the cure. Sometimes it’s patience and forbearance.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on September 15, 2018, 10:30:41 PM
Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

You're mixing up the words "race" and "ethnicity". Ethnicity is your cultural background and race is your biological background. Your race cannot be determined by your culture and vice-versa. Racism is specifically prejudice based on someone's biological characteristics, though there are many people who have repeatedly tried to redefine the word to mean something broader, much like you're trying to do right now.

If you don't understand something I said, please ask for clarification instead of continually and impudentently straw manning me. RacISM is different than racE. I was talking about racISM. It is sourced by ignorant egoists and cultural bias.

Racism is merely an expansion on the term "race". Please read my fully edited post.

Not merely, they actually have separate meanings... Race is something you "are", racism is something you "do". People are not racist because of who they are or where they come from. People are racist because of social and cultural bias, ignorance, fear, and hate. None of those social characteristics determine your biology, and the act of prejudice is not due to your race.

You keep saying this over and over again, but once again I have to remind you that it's not up to you to randomly expand on the definitions of words. "Racism isn't about race" is a rather hilarious sentence, which I'm sure one day you'll garner the ability to realize why.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 15, 2018, 10:48:08 PM
People often, in the act of being racist ascribe cultural practices to people of certain phenotypes. Unfortunately though many educated people are still racist. There are strong evolutionary reasons to mistrust outsiders and as high minded as people get, “awareness” and education aren’t always the cure. Sometimes it’s patience and forbearance.

Yes, that is definitely true, and it has been shown in studies that societies do typically push away "outsiders". It is true that in most societies, if you cannot adapt to the collective, you will not survive, and there seems to be an evolutionary explanation for why humans conform.

Being racist is not necessarily a choice - people are not making a conscious decision to be racist, most of the time. It's called implicit bias. Often, we are not aware of our biases, and we act on them without even knowing. If you don't believe you have implicit biases, you should look online for an implicit bias test. I'm sure you can find one. I have set them up for professors in the past, so they can do research on the subject. It turns out that when trying to associate positive or negative words with either a black or white individual, or man or woman, we have slower reaction to some pairs and not others. For instance, you will be shown a picture of a white or black male, and also a word; either positive or negative. You might be asked to press a button if you see a black man with a positive word, if its a negative word, don't press the button. For example you see a black man and the word "nice". Press the button. You see a black man and the word "mean". Don't press the button. People who are white and take this test, often will take much longer to press the button in this case. If it is a white man and a positive word, they press the button quicker.

What this shows is a preconceived notion about the relationship of two variables. This is a bias. The same thing happens when a male is shown pictures of either or man or women and a particular occupation. Men will associate a picture of a woman and a science-related occupation more slowly than they will a woman and a humanity-related occupation. This shows a bias that men are more scientific and women are more artsy and crafty.

Reply to Rushy's new post:

You keep saying this over and over again, but once again I have to remind you that it's not up to you to randomly expand on the definitions of words. "Racism isn't about race" is a rather hilarious sentence, which I'm sure one day you'll garner the ability to realize why.

Umm... where did I say that racism wasn't about race? Where can you actually pull that quote from?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 15, 2018, 10:58:13 PM
People often, in the act of being racist ascribe cultural practices to people of certain phenotypes. Unfortunately though many educated people are still racist. There are strong evolutionary reasons to mistrust outsiders and as high minded as people get, “awareness” and education aren’t always the cure. Sometimes it’s patience and forbearance.
Assuming you are correct and it is some kind of weakness or bad habit.

But if it is a very natural way to stop competition in your own backyard, end subsidies to those leeching from your community and stop an upheaval of your own culture to make way for an invasive one ... then it should be encouraged, not 'educated away' or 'making people aware' that your viewpoint is the only one that is correct. This is a very dangerous experiment and it is only happening to white people. No one else is inviting the world to live with them. Everyone else has a home they can call their own.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 15, 2018, 11:11:57 PM
People often, in the act of being racist ascribe cultural practices to people of certain phenotypes. Unfortunately though many educated people are still racist. There are strong evolutionary reasons to mistrust outsiders and as high minded as people get, “awareness” and education aren’t always the cure. Sometimes it’s patience and forbearance.
Assuming you are correct and it is some kind of weakness or bad habit.

But if it is a very natural way to stop competition in your own backyard, end subsidies to those leeching from your community and stop an upheaval of your own culture to make way for an invasive one ... then it should be encouraged, not 'educated away' or 'making people aware' that your viewpoint is the only one that is correct. This is a very dangerous experiment and it is only happening to white people. No one else is inviting the world to live with them. Everyone else has a home they can call their own.

I don't know if I can do this topic justice in just a few sentences or paragraphs....

Every society has had to fight for its right to be where it is. Societies all around the world are at risk of losing what they fought for to claim their society. History has shown this to be true, and will continue to be true until something changes. Until human nature evolves to be... perhaps less selfish... less focused on ones own life, but more focused on a greater life. A greater consciousness. At present our life is threatened not by other humans, not by war, not by famine, or disease (at least not globally/planely). We are threatened by our weather. By our rising seas, our ever-growing island of shit and trash in the pacific ocean. Our roads, lakes, beaches, rivers, forests, and oceans polluted with shit that we made. Shit that we chose not to be responsible for, yet willing to gain for (by consumption). We must change. We must evolve to a higher consciousness. If we do not, we will fail as a race, regardless what its definition.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on September 15, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Umm... where did I say that racism wasn't about race? Where can you actually pull that quote from?

Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

It's impossible for "racism" to involve something that isn't inherently biological. Racism is only, exclusively, about race, which means it only involves biology. No culture or society involved. You don't become a different race by moving to a different country.

Therefore, saying "racism is fueled by culture and society" makes no sense, and simply stems from a complete misunderstanding of what race is.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 15, 2018, 11:29:26 PM
Umm... where did I say that racism wasn't about race? Where can you actually pull that quote from?

Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

It's impossible for "racism" to involve something that isn't inherently biological. Racism is only, exclusively, about race, which means it only involves biology. No culture or society involved. You don't become a different race by moving to a different country.

Therefore, saying "racism is fueled by culture and society" makes no sense, and simply stems from a complete misunderstanding of what race is.

It is quite clear that you do not understand the definition of racism. I'm not sure how I can help here. Have you ever studied anthropology or psychology? Racism strictly involves biases toward race. So yes, it includes race, but it also includes biases. biases are culturally influenced. you do not inherit biases via DNA. I honestly cannot explain this any other way.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 16, 2018, 12:44:19 AM
It is quite clear that you do not understand the definition of racism. I'm not sure how I can help here. Have you ever studied anthropology or psychology? Racism strictly involves biases toward race. So yes, it includes race, but it also includes biases. biases are culturally influenced. you do not inherit biases via DNA. I honestly cannot explain this any other way.
That's because you are not prepared to think of it any other way. You need to leave school and live life away from teachers that will all be Marxists. I mean, your biggest worry is the weather! This is the rhetoric of someone who has never engaged independent thought and is told what to like, what to hate and what to fear.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 16, 2018, 01:02:12 AM
It is quite clear that you do not understand the definition of racism. I'm not sure how I can help here. Have you ever studied anthropology or psychology? Racism strictly involves biases toward race. So yes, it includes race, but it also includes biases. biases are culturally influenced. you do not inherit biases via DNA. I honestly cannot explain this any other way.
That's because you are not prepared to think of it any other way. You need to leave school and live life away from teachers that will all be Marxists. I mean, your biggest worry is the weather! This is the rhetoric of someone who has never engaged independent thought and is told what to like, what to hate and what to fear.

Weather is nothing trivial when it is the cause of thousands of deaths yearly.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 16, 2018, 01:06:11 AM
It is quite clear that you do not understand the definition of racism. I'm not sure how I can help here. Have you ever studied anthropology or psychology? Racism strictly involves biases toward race. So yes, it includes race, but it also includes biases. biases are culturally influenced. you do not inherit biases via DNA. I honestly cannot explain this any other way.
That's because you are not prepared to think of it any other way. You need to leave school and live life away from teachers that will all be Marxists. I mean, your biggest worry is the weather! This is the rhetoric of someone who has never engaged independent thought and is told what to like, what to hate and what to fear.

Weather is nothing trivial when it is the cause of thousands of deaths yearly.
How many people did you know that have been killed by the weather?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on September 16, 2018, 01:16:12 AM
People often, in the act of being racist ascribe cultural practices to people of certain phenotypes. Unfortunately though many educated people are still racist. There are strong evolutionary reasons to mistrust outsiders and as high minded as people get, “awareness” and education aren’t always the cure. Sometimes it’s patience and forbearance.
Assuming you are correct and it is some kind of weakness or bad habit.

But if it is a very natural way to stop competition in your own backyard, end subsidies to those leeching from your community and stop an upheaval of your own culture to make way for an invasive one ... then it should be encouraged, not 'educated away' or 'making people aware' that your viewpoint is the only one that is correct. This is a very dangerous experiment and it is only happening to white people. No one else is inviting the world to live with them. Everyone else has a home they can call their own.

What will you do with the white people who leech from your community? Or is that ok because “muh Queen and Empire”?

Why are you scared of your culture changing anyway? If you didn’t let the Romans or the French change your culture it would be a very different England. Safe to say you wouldn’t be English at all. It’s like you forget that England is a country that has simply been conquered again and again and been changed profoundly every time. In fact, you should welcome your new immigrant overlords.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 16, 2018, 12:31:58 PM
People often, in the act of being racist ascribe cultural practices to people of certain phenotypes. Unfortunately though many educated people are still racist. There are strong evolutionary reasons to mistrust outsiders and as high minded as people get, “awareness” and education aren’t always the cure. Sometimes it’s patience and forbearance.
Assuming you are correct and it is some kind of weakness or bad habit.

But if it is a very natural way to stop competition in your own backyard, end subsidies to those leeching from your community and stop an upheaval of your own culture to make way for an invasive one ... then it should be encouraged, not 'educated away' or 'making people aware' that your viewpoint is the only one that is correct. This is a very dangerous experiment and it is only happening to white people. No one else is inviting the world to live with them. Everyone else has a home they can call their own.

What will you do with the white people who leech from your community? Or is that ok because “muh Queen and Empire”?

Why are you scared of your culture changing anyway? If you didn’t let the Romans or the French change your culture it would be a very different England. Safe to say you wouldn’t be English at all. It’s like you forget that England is a country that has simply been conquered again and again and been changed profoundly every time. In fact, you should welcome your new immigrant overlords.

When the Romans conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Bath houses, roads, central heating, sewerage systems etc.
When the Normans conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Fine art, education, literacy, administration techniques etc.
When the Vikings conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Boat building skills, navigation, trading techniques, etc.

What does the middle East or Africa have to offer us that is an improvement? Being conquered by a superior civilisation can often work out well for you. The British gave India railways and stopped widow burning for example. But being over run by an inferior and outright backward civilisation isn't going to work out well.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on September 16, 2018, 01:47:42 PM
The British seem to be doing a nice job of regressing themselves so I don’t even know what you are so scared of losing? Immigrant populations tend to be harder working and more ambitious groups out of necessity since they don’t have the luxury of resting on the accomplishments of their forefathers, like you.

I understand having a problem with progressive leftist policies, but immigration is almost always a good thing, especially with a stagnant or shrinking birth rate, and no culture is sacrosanct. It’s meant to be a living embodiment of past and present together. It will change whether or not there are polish people, or Middle Easterners. If you don’t want it to change you are clinging to a neurotic pipe dream. I’m sure you have no problem with cultural changes that benefit you, it’s only when your own comfort zone gets infringed upon that you perk up and take notice. That just smacks of being a spoiled child.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 16, 2018, 03:54:02 PM
The British seem to be doing a nice job of regressing themselves so I don’t even know what you are so scared of losing? Immigrant populations tend to be harder working and more ambitious groups out of necessity since they don’t have the luxury of resting on the accomplishments of their forefathers, like you.
A myth pedalled by leftists.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10693022/Immigrants-cost-Britain-3000-a-year-each-says-report.html

I understand having a problem with progressive leftist policies, but immigration is almost always a good thing, especially with a stagnant or shrinking birth rate, and no culture is sacrosanct. It’s meant to be a living embodiment of past and present together. It will change whether or not there are polish people, or Middle Easterners.
No, we have a shrinking birthrate because adding 8 million people has caused ridiculous competition for things like homes. And without homes, people can't start families.

If you don’t want it to change you are clinging to a neurotic pipe dream. I’m sure you have no problem with cultural changes that benefit you, it’s only when your own comfort zone gets infringed upon that you perk up and take notice. That just smacks of being a spoiled child.
So bad things are happening and we should all just shut up and accept them, offering no resistance to make things better. I'll remember than when the climate change brigade are out.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on September 16, 2018, 04:06:41 PM
The British seem to be doing a nice job of regressing themselves so I don’t even know what you are so scared of losing? Immigrant populations tend to be harder working and more ambitious groups out of necessity since they don’t have the luxury of resting on the accomplishments of their forefathers, like you.
A myth pedalled by leftists.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10693022/Immigrants-cost-Britain-3000-a-year-each-says-report.html

But no mention of what the average immigrant does with their after tax income. Thanks for presenting an incomplete picture as if it were decisive. How much more of that 3,000 do you reckon is made up for?

With an annual deficit of 36.2B GBP that’s about £600 each of you already costs so they really only need to contribute another £2,400 to be as economically valuable.

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I understand having a problem with progressive leftist policies, but immigration is almost always a good thing, especially with a stagnant or shrinking birth rate, and no culture is sacrosanct. It’s meant to be a living embodiment of past and present together. It will change whether or not there are polish people, or Middle Easterners.
No, we have a shrinking birthrate because adding 8 million people has caused ridiculous competition for things like homes. And without homes, people can't start families.

Uhhh... no. People didn’t own homes for thousands of years in your country and birthrates were higher. Birthrates tend to be inversely proportionate to wealth. The wealthier a country the lower its birth rate.

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If you don’t want it to change you are clinging to a neurotic pipe dream. I’m sure you have no problem with cultural changes that benefit you, it’s only when your own comfort zone gets infringed upon that you perk up and take notice. That just smacks of being a spoiled child.
So bad things are happening and we should all just shut up and accept them, offering no resistance to make things better. I'll remember than when the climate change brigade are out.
Cool larping. I never said anything remotely like that. Resisting change because you prefer the past is a bad place to proceed from. It’s called Golden Age Thinking. You are the one that wants nothing to change and who wants a return to some idea of Britishness that probably didn’t exist in the first place.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 16, 2018, 04:40:58 PM
Cool larping. I never said anything remotely like that. Resisting change because you prefer the past is a bad place to proceed from. It’s called Golden Age Thinking. You are the one that wants nothing to change and who wants a return to some idea of Britishness that probably didn’t exist in the first place.

The difference between conservatism and liberalism is whether you look forward or back.

Conservatives look at the past, and make decisions made by the lessons of history. They are adverse to change and don't like to turn things upside down.
Liberals are 'progressive'. This means they want to change everything all the time until they hit on something better. They never learn from history. In fact anything old must be wrong.

Example:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45525979

Note how the word 'archaic'is used to describe something that has worked for hundreds of years. And that if you support it, you must be stuck in the past and backward. Divorce laws are actually quite modern ... when compared to something like marriage which has been around for thousands of years.
In this instance they want more hedonism. Liberals are all about hedonism. They don't want people to work at marriage. They want them to be able to divorce at the first argument. And that's fine ... until they have kids. And we end up with more single parent kids which historically are disadvantaged over dual parenting. This will increase the divorce rate and leave more men broke by the time they are middle aged. It also means few men will be part of a family as they age ... but screw them right? It doesn't matter if men are lonely, ostracised and broke. As long as women get every freedom they might want. Women's rights trump those of men because 'go progressives!'

I am conservative. I think changing things that more or less work is bloody stupid. Such as your culture. Or marriage laws. Or whether you can speak about certain topics without having someone destroy your opportunities because of a thought crime you committed back when you were 15 years old.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45539740

Liberals tend to be younger because they have no past experience to draw upon. But as people age, they drift to the right and become conservative because they can see the errors of the past. Liberalism is the politics of those with empty heads. Once those heads are filled ... liberalism is a folly.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 16, 2018, 05:11:51 PM
Cool larping. I never said anything remotely like that. Resisting change because you prefer the past is a bad place to proceed from. It’s called Golden Age Thinking. You are the one that wants nothing to change and who wants a return to some idea of Britishness that probably didn’t exist in the first place.

The difference between conservatism and liberalism is whether you look forward or back.

Conservatives look at the past, and make decisions made by the lessons of history. They are adverse to change and don't like to turn things upside down.
Liberals are 'progressive'. This means they want to change everything all the time until they hit on something better. They never learn from history. In fact anything old must be wrong.

Example:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45525979

Note how the word 'archaic'is used to describe something that has worked for hundreds of years. And that if you support it, you must be stuck in the past and backward. Divorce laws are actually quite modern ... when compared to something like marriage which has been around for thousands of years.
In this instance they want more hedonism. Liberals are all about hedonism. They don't want people to work at marriage. They want them to be able to divorce at the first argument. And that's fine ... until they have kids. And we end up with more single parent kids which historically are disadvantaged over dual parenting. This will increase the divorce rate and leave more men broke by the time they are middle aged. It also means few men will be part of a family as they age ... but screw them right? It doesn't matter if men are lonely, ostracised and broke. As long as women get every freedom they might want. Women's rights trump those of men because 'go progressives!'

I am conservative. I think changing things that more or less work is bloody stupid. Such as your culture. Or marriage laws. Or whether you can speak about certain topics without having someone destroy your opportunities because of a thought crime you committed back when you were 15 years old.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45539740

Liberals tend to be younger because they have no past experience to draw upon. But as people age, they drift to the right and become conservative because they can see the errors of the past. Liberalism is the politics of those with empty heads. Once those heads are filled ... liberalism is a folly.

I appreciate your attempt to categorize conservative and liberal views, but I whole-heartedly disagree.

You say conservatives are learning from past lessons, but then why do they continue to promote laws that allow corporations to pollute the environment with little restriction? In the US it is the liberals who championed for tighter restrictions on automobile manufacturing to keep fuel consumption lower and create less carbon emissions. Conservatives have fought to keep their political and social power by exploiting things like expensive gas guzzling cars and coal power plants.

In fact, I think it is the liberal view that pays more attention to the mistakes of the past and recognizes that change is good. If we aren't moving forward, we are moving backwards... an economy cannot remain stagnant - it is fundamentally impossible for an economy to remain the same. The trend of young people taking a more leftist, liberal view is likely due to a direct observation of our current economic situation. Fewer jobs for young people, fewer homes to buy, less land... more and more people are moving to urban communities and living in shit conditions that costs half or more of their monthly wages, forcing them to team up with others in the same situation so they can split the cost of living.

In the U.S., it is our republican party that champions to eliminate policy that would benefit the environment and provide for a healthier, happier, and more inclusive people... liberals can see this, why can't conservatives?

Why would change be inherently bad? The computer industry is changing all the time. Would you say this is bad? It might be hard to keep up with, and if you resist the change, you won't last long in the field, but does that make it bad? Or does someone's lack of wanting to change indicate a lack of adaptability?

"Liberalism is the politics of those with empty heads. Once those heads are filled ... liberalism is a folly."

An empty head with a history book at their side. Learning from the past, but keeping an open mind for the future. Being able to respond to any situation that arrises, and adapt to the changing of the times. Not just accepting that times change, but actively helping society move into the changing times as a united population.

Many conservatives want nothing to do with change... their pocket books won't adapt well.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on September 16, 2018, 05:21:20 PM
It is quite clear that you do not understand the definition of racism. I'm not sure how I can help here. Have you ever studied anthropology or psychology? Racism strictly involves biases toward race. So yes, it includes race, but it also includes biases. biases are culturally influenced. you do not inherit biases via DNA. I honestly cannot explain this any other way.
That's because you are not prepared to think of it any other way. You need to leave school and live life away from teachers that will all be Marxists. I mean, your biggest worry is the weather! This is the rhetoric of someone who has never engaged independent thought and is told what to like, what to hate and what to fear.

Weather is nothing trivial when it is the cause of thousands of deaths yearly.
How many people did you know that have been killed by the weather?

This is a very dry statement/question... Does me having personally experienced a catastrophe make it more real? If I have never experienced a catastrophe does that mean it doesn't exist? I'm not following your question. It seems very naive. If I don't know someone who has been directly killed by weather, thank god.

That's like someone saying, "Violence is a huge problem in new york... people are raped, or shot and killed all the time."

And you saying something like, "psshh... How many people do you know that have been raped or shot and killed?" Like that somehow invalidates the claim that violence is a problem in new york.

Do you understand how adolescent that question sounds?

Edit: Furthermore, you know almost nothing about me, so to assume weather is my biggest worry is an absurd proposition. The weather is getting more fierce and sporadic due to climate change - which we as humans are at least partially responsible for, and everyone posting here can relate to that. It's a problem now, and it will be an even greater problem in 50 years from now.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on September 16, 2018, 05:52:50 PM
The difference between conservatism and liberalism is whether you look forward or back.

Conservatives look at the past, and make decisions made by the lessons of history. They are adverse to change and don't like to turn things upside down.
Liberals are 'progressive'. This means they want to change everything all the time until they hit on something better. They never learn from history. In fact anything old must be wrong.

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A distinction I think you made up but for your own purposes, but I’ll entertain it.

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Example:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45525979

Note how the word 'archaic'is used to describe something that has worked for hundreds of years.

In what way did it work? 

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And that if you support it, you must be stuck in the past and backward. Divorce laws are actually quite modern ... when compared to something like marriage which has been around for thousands of years.

This is hardly a good example for me to address because I don’t think the State should have laws governing marriage nor do I think should be incentivized. I understand that it confers economic benefits and that it also confers benefits in general to society and individual health, but all our laws around marriage originate from the stupid time when we falsely believed churches to be our moral center.

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In this instance they want more hedonism. Liberals are all about hedonism. They don't want people to work at marriage. They want them to be able to divorce at the first argument.

Ehhhh no. It’s about personal liberty. Why should the state be able to force you to continue a relationship? 

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And that's fine ... until they have kids. And we end up with more single parent kids which historically are disadvantaged over dual parenting.

I agree divorce is a net negative.

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This will increase the divorce rate and leave more men broke by the time they are middle aged.

That’s the fault of archaic divorce laws.

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It also means few men will be part of a family as they age ... but screw them right? It doesn't matter if men are lonely, ostracised and broke. As long as women get every freedom they might want. Women's rights trump those of men because 'go progressives!'

I don’t think rampant progressivism is ok either so I’m not going to argue this too strongly.

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I am conservative. I think changing things that more or less work is bloody stupid. Such as your culture. Or marriage laws. Or whether you can speak about certain topics without having someone destroy your opportunities because of a thought crime you committed back when you were 15 years old.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45539740

But you are selective about your view of the past. You don’t think everything about the past worked. Guess who got rid of the things that didn’t work? Progressive people did! Otherwise you would still be a serf, forced to fight wars for King’s that don’t give a shit about you, uneducated, malnourished and miserable. But you don’t because someone looked at the present and said, “this isn’t right!” and did something about it. Does it always work? Of course not. Neither does sitting on your rocker and saying, “I like things the way they were!” You need both.

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Liberals tend to be younger because they have no past experience to draw upon. But as people age, they drift to the right and become conservative because they can see the errors of the past.

It also has to do with risk averse was. Younger people are more willing to say, “fuck it, let’s do something different!”  Once you are older with a mortgage, kids in colllege and a retirement to think of, you don’t enjoy change as much because it makes planning harder.

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Liberalism is the politics of those with empty heads. Once those heads are filled ... liberalism is a folly.

Ehhh... no. What wisdom tells us is that there is always a trade off to your choices and the more extreme your choice, the bigger the trade off. Extreme conservatives are just as dangerous as extreme progressives. They’ll both fuck up society. We need both voices though so we can get a sense of where the lines are.

All of this has nothing to do with your xenophobia though.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on September 17, 2018, 12:07:32 AM
England is a country that has simply been conquered again and again and been changed profoundly every time. In fact, you should welcome your new immigrant overlords.

Pretty good bait tbh.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: markjo on September 19, 2018, 11:17:02 PM
When the Romans conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Bath houses, roads, central heating, sewerage systems etc.
When the Normans conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Fine art, education, literacy, administration techniques etc.
When the Vikings conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Boat building skills, navigation, trading techniques, etc.

What does the middle East or Africa have to offer us that is an improvement?
For starters, the Arabs gave us numbers that we can actually work with (including everyone's hero, zero).  They also gave us a lot of medicine and science that was lost during the dark ages.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 20, 2018, 01:57:53 AM
When the Romans conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Bath houses, roads, central heating, sewerage systems etc.
When the Normans conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Fine art, education, literacy, administration techniques etc.
When the Vikings conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Boat building skills, navigation, trading techniques, etc.

What does the middle East or Africa have to offer us that is an improvement?
For starters, the Arabs gave us numbers that we can actually work with (including everyone's hero, zero).  They also gave us a lot of medicine and science that was lost during the dark ages.
Have another go.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: markjo on September 20, 2018, 09:58:18 PM
When the Romans conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Bath houses, roads, central heating, sewerage systems etc.
When the Normans conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Fine art, education, literacy, administration techniques etc.
When the Vikings conquered, they had some pretty cool stuff to give us. Boat building skills, navigation, trading techniques, etc.

What does the middle East or Africa have to offer us that is an improvement?
For starters, the Arabs gave us numbers that we can actually work with (including everyone's hero, zero).  They also gave us a lot of medicine and science that was lost during the dark ages.
Have another go.
Are you saying that the Arabic numbers that we use today aren't a significant improvement over Roman numerals? ???
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 20, 2018, 10:42:55 PM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on September 20, 2018, 11:22:13 PM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.

MM years ago*
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: markjo on September 20, 2018, 11:38:16 PM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.
Oil.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 21, 2018, 01:35:16 AM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.
Oil.
They aren't bringing that over here with them.

Its clear they offer nothing to our society when they arrive. Thank you for confirming this with your complete incompetence.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on September 21, 2018, 01:45:27 AM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.
Oil.
They aren't bringing that over here with them.

Its clear they offer nothing to our society when they arrive. Thank you for confirming this with your complete incompetence.

Thork, you know better than to make personal attacks up here. Don't do it again.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on September 21, 2018, 01:59:14 AM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.

MM years ago*

10/10
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on September 21, 2018, 02:01:03 AM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.
Oil.
They aren't bringing that over here with them.

Its clear they offer nothing to our society when they arrive. Thank you for confirming this with your complete incompetence.

Thork, you know better than to make personal attacks up here. Don't do it again.

???

Markjo has not been reading the replies. He keeps saying the same things disregarding the responses. The whole point is a superior nation invading brings tech and other benefits. And he keeps waffling on about things that happened 2000 years ago ... like that's some benefit ... or oil ... they don't bring that with them, do they?

If someone is incapable of doing something, does that make them competent? You can't slander someone with the truth. He's incapable of following a thread.  >:(
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on September 21, 2018, 02:08:22 AM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.
Oil.
They aren't bringing that over here with them.

Its clear they offer nothing to our society when they arrive. Thank you for confirming this with your complete incompetence.

Thork, you know better than to make personal attacks up here. Don't do it again.

???

Markjo has not been reading the replies. He keeps saying the same things disregarding the responses. The whole point is a superior nation invading brings tech and other benefits. And he keeps waffling on about things that happened 2000 years ago ... like that's some benefit ... or oil ... they don't bring that with them, do they?

If someone is incapable of doing something, does that make them competent? You can't slander someone with the truth. He's incapable of following a thread.  >:(

If you want to rant about how people are incompetent, you have to do it in the designated ranting forum. If you want to question my warning, you have to do it in the designated complaining forum. I mean the Suggestions & Concerns forum. Anyway, the point is that you're walking on thin ice here, Thork. If you really want Markjo to stop, then just block him or something. It's a forum. You don't have to respond to his posts if you think they're not worthy of your great unfathomable intellect.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: markjo on September 21, 2018, 02:35:55 AM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.
Oil.
They aren't bringing that over here with them.

Its clear they offer nothing to our society when they arrive. Thank you for confirming this with your complete incompetence.
So the Romans invading 2000 years ago is relevant but the Arabs reeducating Europe 1000 years ago isn't?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: honk on September 21, 2018, 04:59:54 AM
What do they have to offer us now? Not what did they have 2000 years ago.
Oil.
They aren't bringing that over here with them.

Its clear they offer nothing to our society when they arrive. Thank you for confirming this with your complete incompetence.
So the Romans invading 2000 years ago is relevant but the Arabs reeducating Europe 1000 years ago isn't?

Yes, because he's making an argument for the benefits of conquest. The Romans, British, etc. brought certain innovations with them when they conquered. If we didn't already have Arabic numerals or the scientific discoveries the Arabs made during the Middle Ages, then you could make a case for Arab conquest, but we do, so they no longer get to use that as an incentive, so to speak. Like, this whole discussion is ridiculous, and there's obviously a lot that Thork doesn't understand about how immigration and demographic shifts work, but he's been pretty clear about this point, and you'd have to just be skimming his posts to still not understand his logic.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on October 24, 2018, 02:14:56 AM
Umm... where did I say that racism wasn't about race? Where can you actually pull that quote from?

Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

It's impossible for "racism" to involve something that isn't inherently biological. Racism is only, exclusively, about race, which means it only involves biology. No culture or society involved. You don't become a different race by moving to a different country.

Therefore, saying "racism is fueled by culture and society" makes no sense, and simply stems from a complete misunderstanding of what race is.

This picture (and caption) really says it all..... Race is about much more than simple biology. We don't classify "race" based solely on biology, as this picture demonstrates, that would be impossible. Culture defines race much more so than biology. In fact, in Africa, someone who is African American, would be considered "white". In America, they are considered "black". Is that not interesting?

(https://i.imgur.com/q2GEk0M.jpg)

Edit by Rushy: don't attach enormous images without making them smaller.

Edit by timterroo: At least let it be large enough to read it....
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on October 24, 2018, 03:50:49 AM
This picture (and caption) really says it all..... Race is about much more than simple biology. We don't classify "race" based solely on biology, as this picture demonstrates, that would be impossible. Culture defines race much more so than biology. In fact, in Africa, someone who is African American, would be considered "white". In America, they are considered "black". Is that not interesting?

Over a month and you still don't understand what race is. Incredible. In fact, you seem to even think "African American" is a race! The absolute state of American education.

Also, in the future, add width=200 to your images. I don't care to have my entire screen space taken up by a single page of a book you've completely misunderstood.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on October 24, 2018, 12:15:08 PM
This picture (and caption) really says it all..... Race is about much more than simple biology. We don't classify "race" based solely on biology, as this picture demonstrates, that would be impossible. Culture defines race much more so than biology. In fact, in Africa, someone who is African American, would be considered "white". In America, they are considered "black". Is that not interesting?

Over a month and you still don't understand what race is. Incredible. In fact, you seem to even think "African American" is a race! The absolute state of American education.

Also, in the future, add width=200 to your images. I don't care to have my entire screen space taken up by a single page of a book you've completely misunderstood.

Your ignorance is astounding and your stubbornness is closing off your mind ... did you even read the text? Do you even care? Now that you have shrunk the image, you cannot read it so good job silencing free thought. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

BTW: I don't have a problem understanding race, it is you who seem to not understand. Or you are just trying to argue for the sake of argument, but if that's the case, at least come back with an argument....

Your narrow view of race might have been ok during the hunter gatherer days when there weren't billions of people interbreeding with each other, but within the past few centuries, that view has been upgraded to account for a vast expanse of cultural variation. Race as we know it is based mostly on culture, and racism itself has fueled a mindset of segregation which causes people like yourself to think very ethnocentricly.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on October 24, 2018, 09:18:46 PM
Your ignorance is astounding and your stubbornness is closing off your mind ... did you even read the text? Do you even care? Now that you have shrunk the image, you cannot read it so good job silencing free thought. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

Your understanding of race is apparently as good as your understanding of how this website works. Anyone can click the image to see the full size at any time, it's not permanently shrunken to its visible size. I'm sure this is hard for you to imagine, but the convenience of other users should come before your own post. No one should have to deal with an enormous image taking up their browser space.

BTW: I don't have a problem understanding race, it is you who seem to not understand. Or you are just trying to argue for the sake of argument, but if that's the case, at least come back with an argument....

Actually, you seem to still think race and ethnicity are the same thing, hence why you mentioned the phrase "African American" despite that not actually being a race.

Your narrow view of race might have been ok during the hunter gatherer days when there weren't billions of people interbreeding with each other, but within the past few centuries, that view has been upgraded to account for a vast expanse of cultural variation. Race as we know it is based mostly on culture, and racism itself has fueled a mindset of segregation which causes people like yourself to think very ethnocentricly.

Again, I'm not the one who said "African American", so I think my view of race is much broader and actually much more knowledgeable than yours is. At what point, I wonder, will your delusion of being more educated than everyone else here fade away. Probably around the same time you actually graduate from an institution of higher education, I would bet. This is just as bad as the time you insisted that you understood math more than anyone here but couldn't remember what a derivative is.

Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on October 25, 2018, 07:28:21 AM
Umm... where did I say that racism wasn't about race? Where can you actually pull that quote from?

Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

It's impossible for "racism" to involve something that isn't inherently biological. Racism is only, exclusively, about race, which means it only involves biology. No culture or society involved. You don't become a different race by moving to a different country.

Therefore, saying "racism is fueled by culture and society" makes no sense, and simply stems from a complete misunderstanding of what race is.

This picture (and caption) really says it all..... Race is about much more than simple biology.

Lol no it's only biology. In animals we refer to "races" as subspecies. We don't with humans because people get offended although we fit all the criteria.

Different cultures, sure.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on October 25, 2018, 07:31:14 AM
"Society made is different."

"No, God made us different."

Second time posting this today, sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1-JWNeIEMY

God-bless you Ali.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on October 25, 2018, 02:13:23 PM
Umm... where did I say that racism wasn't about race? Where can you actually pull that quote from?

Racism is fueled by culture and society more so than biology.

It's impossible for "racism" to involve something that isn't inherently biological. Racism is only, exclusively, about race, which means it only involves biology. No culture or society involved. You don't become a different race by moving to a different country.

Therefore, saying "racism is fueled by culture and society" makes no sense, and simply stems from a complete misunderstanding of what race is.

This picture (and caption) really says it all..... Race is about much more than simple biology.

Lol no it's only biology. In animals we refer to "races" as subspecies. We don't with humans because people get offended although we fit all the criteria.

Different cultures, sure.

Gentlemen, I know this is difficult to understand given that you have been taught your whole lives that race is a categorization of an individual's biology; however, this understanding is narrow and archaic. This is also why you are participating in this forum, is it not? - To expand your view and think outside the indoctrination you were born into?

Since the expansion of transportation, humans have been able to travel, change cultures, create new societies, and breed with these other cultures and societies. Someone who is considered "white" in one culture, may be considered "black" in another culture. Someone who is considered "Mongoloid" in Europe, might not be considered "Mongoloid" in China. Hence society classifies people arbitrarily based on an ethnocentric understanding of their world - based on society and culture, not biology.

Here are the traditional "races" that I'm assuming you are referring to:

    Caucasoid (White) race.
    Negroid (Black) race.
    Capoid (Bushmen/Hottentots) race.
    Mongoloid (Oriental/ Amerindian) race.
    Australoid (Australian Aborigine and Papuan) race.

Let's assume these are solely based on biology.

Now, an African male and European female meet and have a baby. What "race" is this baby? Are they caucasoid? Negroid? Well, that depends if you are in Europe or if you are in Africa. The 'race' of this baby is now based on where that individual lives - what society and culture they belong to. If we assume race is based solely on biology, we now have a discrepancy - A person's biology does not change, yet somehow their race does?

 If race were based solely on biology, this would not and should not be possible. I guess there must be other factors that go into a person's race other than biology.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on October 25, 2018, 03:27:16 PM
Gentlemen, I know this is difficult to understand given that you have been taught your whole lives that race is a categorization of an individual's biology; however, this understanding is narrow and archaic. This is also why you are participating in this forum, is it not? - To expand your view and think outside the indoctrination you were born into?

Since the expansion of transportation, humans have been able to travel, change cultures, create new societies, and breed with these other cultures and societies. Someone who is considered "white" in one culture, may be considered "black" in another culture. Someone who is considered "Mongoloid" in Europe, might not be considered "Mongoloid" in China. Hence society classifies people arbitrarily based on an ethnocentric understanding of their world - based on society and culture, not biology.

Here are the traditional "races" that I'm assuming you are referring to:

    Caucasoid (White) race.
    Negroid (Black) race.
    Capoid (Bushmen/Hottentots) race.
    Mongoloid (Oriental/ Amerindian) race.
    Australoid (Australian Aborigine and Papuan) race.

Let's assume these are solely based on biology.

Now, an African male and European female meet and have a baby. What "race" is this baby? Are they caucasoid? Negroid? Well, that depends if you are in Europe or if you are in Africa. The 'race' of this baby is now based on where that individual lives - what society and culture they belong to. If we assume race is based solely on biology, we now have a discrepancy - A person's biology does not change, yet somehow their race does?

 If race were based solely on biology, this would not and should not be possible. I guess there must be other factors that go into a person's race other than biology.

The correct racial classification for a person who had one black parent and one white is a Mulatto. Simply saying "I don't know what this race is and therefore you don't either" once again shows how ignorant you are. You literally, LITERALLY have unlimited access to the shared compendium of humanity's knowledge and apparently you haven't figured out how to use it yet.

However, personally, I go by the one-drop rule. If you drop a piece of mud into pure water it becomes muddy water, regardless of how much or how little mud you've stirred into it.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on October 25, 2018, 03:54:42 PM

The correct racial classification for a person who had one black parent and one white is a Mulatto. Simply saying "I don't know what this race is and therefore you don't either" once again shows how ignorant you are. You literally, LITERALLY have unlimited access to the shared compendium of humanity's knowledge and apparently you haven't figured out how to use it yet.

However, personally, I go by the one-drop rule. If you drop a piece of mud into pure water it becomes muddy water, regardless of how much or how little mud you've stirred into it.

There you go again, putting words into my mouth.

I simply said that a person's classification can change depending on where they live, which makes the term (and concept of) race arbitrary, and dependent on society and culture.

You can try to classify all white/black mixed people as "mulatto" if you like, but I assure you there will be trouble - for instance, what do you call someone who has African, European, and Chinese heritage? Or someone with latino, European and African decent? How about a mix of all the so-called races? What are they called?

You also did not answer my question:

If someone's race can change depending where they live, how is it solely based on biology when biology does not change?

Keep strawmanning me all you like, but it only further demonstrates your inability to look outside your indoctrinated view of the world.

P.S. - My ability to google "race" has nothing to do with this discussion. Please try to stay on topic.

P.P.S. -

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However, personally, I go by the one-drop rule. If you drop a piece of mud into pure water it becomes muddy water, regardless of how much or how little mud you've stirred into it.

Congratulations, you have unwittingly demonstrated the social ambiguity of racial classifications. You "personally" view someone who is black/white mix as black. This isn't how every society or individual classifies a black/white person.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on October 25, 2018, 04:15:16 PM
If someone's race can change depending where they live, how is it solely based on biology when biology does not change?

The name for their biology can change, their biology cannot. You can't swap from white to black just by moving to another country. You can't become another race merely by traveling.

Congratulations, you have unwittingly demonstrated the social ambiguity of racial classifications. You "personally" view someone who is black/white mix as black. This isn't how every society or individual classifies a black/white person.

I never once claimed race was objectively agreed upon. The only thing I ever said was race was biological and you kept trying to say it isn't.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on October 25, 2018, 05:30:13 PM
Race isn't really a thing. You don't get races of dog. You get breeds because they are bred. You don't get races of deer, you get species. You don't get races of anything ... accept people. Which shows it's made up political lingo to avoid calling it what it is.

In taxonomic rank the lowest order is species.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Taxonomic_Rank_Graph.svg/740px-Taxonomic_Rank_Graph.svg.png)

However we are a bit closer to each other than some other species. Turns out there is a rank below species.
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspecies
In zoology, under the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, the subspecies is the only taxonomic rank below that of species that can receive a name.

There is no such thing as race in classification. But, calling people a sub-species makes them sound inferior because we used the prefix 'sub', meaning under or less.

And that would never do in a happy clappy Marxist utopia. So we have this made up word 'race'. Which means shit all to anyone ... and deliberately so.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: junker on October 25, 2018, 06:08:36 PM
You don't get races of anything ... accept people.

I think if we could just accept people like you suggest, then this thread wouldn't need to exist. Excellent point, Baby Thork.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on October 25, 2018, 06:16:21 PM
You don't get races of anything ... accept people.

I think if we could just accept people like you suggest, then this thread wouldn't need to exist. Excellent point, Baby Thork.
Whoa, I never said anything about accepting people. Invasive sub-species need to be eliminated in order that you aren't out-completed for resources. My local council just removed about 100 acres of non-native trees so that they can plant indigenous ones. Now if they can see the dangers of invasive species in plants ... what the hell is going on with our immigration policy?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on October 25, 2018, 09:00:44 PM
If someone's race can change depending where they live, how is it solely based on biology when biology does not change?

The name for their biology can change, their biology cannot. You can't swap from white to black just by moving to another country. You can't become another race merely by traveling.



Race classifications are inherently determined by biological characteristics, this is indeed true, and I am not disputing this. The assignments of those classifications can and do change, however. The assignments of race that we give people is determined by society, which is why a person can be considered "white" in one geographical region, and "black" in another region. It is not the physical characteristics that are changing, but rather societies determination of what we call someone with certain biological characteristics that can change. In this regard, a person's race is determined by a multitude of factors, not just biology.

Therefore, a person's race can change, and it is more than just biology.

Thork and Junker are right, if we just accept the "human race", we wouldn't be having this discussion, and racism would quite likely be non-existent as we could consider everyone equally human. It would be silly to say that one human race is greater than another human race.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on October 25, 2018, 09:30:56 PM
Race classifications are inherently determined by biological characteristics, this is indeed true, and I am not disputing this. The assignments of those classifications can and do change, however. The assignments of race that we give people is determined by society, which is why a person can be considered "white" in one geographical region, and "black" in another region. It is not the physical characteristics that are changing, but rather societies determination of what we call someone with certain biological characteristics that can change. In this regard, a person's race is determined by a multitude of factors, not just biology.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. A race is a race regardless of the different things different cultures call it. You've basically admitted that race is only biology, just that the names between cultures differ. This is an important step in your learning.

Therefore, a person's race can change, and it is more than just biology.

Incorrect. It's just biology, which you just admitted, funny enough.

Thork and Junker are right, if we just accept the "human race", we wouldn't be having this discussion, and racism would quite likely be non-existent as we could consider everyone equally human. It would be silly to say that one human race is greater than another human race.

Once again your impressive lack of literacy presents its ugly head. I suggest reading things before actually commenting on them in the future. Thork quite literally said the opposite of what you just said:

Whoa, I never said anything about accepting people. Invasive sub-species need to be eliminated in order that you aren't out-completed for resources.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on October 25, 2018, 10:24:10 PM
You don't get races of anything ... accept people.

I think if we could just accept people like you suggest, then this thread wouldn't need to exist. Excellent point, Baby Thork.
Whoa, I never said anything about accepting people. Invasive sub-species need to be eliminated in order that you aren't out-completed for resources. My local council just removed about 100 acres of non-native trees so that they can plant indigenous ones. Now if they can see the dangers of invasive species in plants ... what the hell is going on with our immigration policy?

Accept, you did.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on October 25, 2018, 11:00:16 PM
No. I said races are a label that don't appear in zoological classification. The correct term would be sub-species.

We are all human (species). I am Caucasian, one of the sub-species of humanity.

At no point did I say we should just accept all people are the same. They are not. Its possible for two tigers to have a white tiger offspring. It is not possible for two black people to have a Caucasian baby. Being black isn't a recessive gene and nor is being Asian or white. They are unique traits belonging to that sub-species.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on October 26, 2018, 02:32:03 AM
Rushy, there is a key difference between saying biology is a factor, and saying biology is "the only" factor. I did not say biology was the only factor as I have repetedly said in previous post - here's another example of you straw manning and attempting to get me to debate what I never claimed. Congrats, you succeeded. And here we are again of topic, thanks.

Thork, you said "accept people" in a previous post. Meaning don't reject them, that is what I based my assumption on when I said I agreed and you were right.

Perhaps you meant "except people"?

Either way, I stand by my regards.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on October 26, 2018, 09:53:31 AM
Now, an African male and European female meet and have a baby. What "race" is this baby? Are they caucasoid? Negroid?

Half caucasoid and half negroid, mixed race.
Are you playing dumb on purpose?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: disputeone on October 26, 2018, 09:58:35 AM
Rushy, there is a key difference between saying biology is a factor, and saying biology is "the only" factor. I did not say biology was the only factor as I have repetedly said in previous post - here's another example of you straw manning and attempting to get me to debate what I never claimed. Congrats, you succeeded. And here we are again of topic, thanks.

Sorry double post. To me this feels like the difference between sex and gender. One (i can't remember which) refers to biology and the other to what people "feel" they are.

You are trying to do a similar thing with race, race is purely biological, culture is mainly environmental, you could have a quarter cast Aboriginal that identifies as European and acts as a European. However he is still one quarter Aboriginal because of his biology.

Accept, you did.
That was an absolutely delightful pun, credit where it is due.

Edit.
You can acknowledge that races are different without putting a supremacist spin onto it. What bothers me is when people claim the sky is red because they feel it's less offensive than telling the truth. (It's blue).
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on October 26, 2018, 10:53:41 AM
You don't get races of anything ... accept people.

I think if we could just accept people like you suggest, then this thread wouldn't need to exist. Excellent point, Baby Thork.
Whoa, I never said anything about accepting people. Invasive sub-species need to be eliminated in order that you aren't out-completed for resources. My local council just removed about 100 acres of non-native trees so that they can plant indigenous ones. Now if they can see the dangers of invasive species in plants ... what the hell is going on with our immigration policy?

Accept, you did.
Ahh, I see. Well played.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on October 26, 2018, 05:50:28 PM
Now, an African male and European female meet and have a baby. What "race" is this baby? Are they caucasoid? Negroid?

Half caucasoid and half negroid, mixed race.
Are you playing dumb on purpose?

No need for insults here, we're all adults, aren't we?

In this sense, we are all "mixed" any more... Unless maybe if you belong to the royal family... They might be all inbred.

That makes it awefully hard to identify race doesn't it? So then race classification becomes quite arbitrary and subject to bias. Some will say you are x race based on y percentage of genes. Others will say, oh no, their skin is too white to be negroid.

I believe if you go back in history far enough, you will find that we are all decendence from Africa. Does this make us all negroid? If it's strictly about biology then I'd say our racial categories are pretty far off from our origins.

P.s. - I'm assuming that people who read this will understand that if we all descended from Africa our biology would have been very similar, and there was less biological differences back then.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on October 26, 2018, 06:02:20 PM
You could also argue that we all descended from apes. Or that we all descended from sea creatures. But I like to think I am a little different to a sea slug. We are not all the same. No hard data claims that we are.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on October 26, 2018, 06:28:53 PM
You could also argue that we all descended from apes. Or that we all descended from sea creatures. But I like to think I am a little different to a sea slug. We are not all the same. No hard data claims that we are.

Correct. This further illustrates the ambiguity of racial classifications, and close examination of history will lead to the conslusion that our racial categories as we know them are based upon social discrimination as we have tried to define our biology through ethnocentric eyes. Hence, race is more about society and culture than it is about biology.

Furthermore, studies have shown there are actually more biological differences within a given "race" than there are between "races".
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: junker on October 26, 2018, 08:13:53 PM
Accept, you did.
That was an absolutely delightful pun, credit where it is due.

Ahh, I see. Well played.

>mfw these jerks don't even give proper credit for the original pun...

I think if we could just accept people like you suggest, then this thread wouldn't need to exist. Excellent point, Baby Thork.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on October 26, 2018, 08:33:33 PM
To be fair Junker, I made a pun, you subtly pointed out his malapropism. So I’m the true North Eastern White Overlord.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: junker on October 26, 2018, 08:39:42 PM
To be fair Junker, I made a pun, you subtly pointed out his malapropism. So I’m the true North Eastern White Overlord.

To be more fair, it is more a homophone than a malapropism.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rama Set on October 26, 2018, 09:14:50 PM
To be fair Junker, I made a pun, you subtly pointed out his malapropism. So I’m the true North Eastern White Overlord.

To be more fair, it is more a homophone than a malapropism.

Incorrect. Homophone’s are pronounced the same. Only cementing my status as Das Uberman.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on October 26, 2018, 09:20:25 PM
Rushy, there is a key difference between saying biology is a factor, and saying biology is "the only" factor. I did not say biology was the only factor as I have repetedly said in previous post - here's another example of you straw manning and attempting to get me to debate what I never claimed. Congrats, you succeeded. And here we are again of topic, thanks.

Thork, you said "accept people" in a previous post. Meaning don't reject them, that is what I based my assumption on when I said I agreed and you were right.

Perhaps you meant "except people"?

Either way, I stand by my regards.

By definition, the only factor in race is biological, that's what makes it a race. If whatever you're describing isn't biological in nature, it's an ethnicity. This is why you confused "African American" with a race in your previous posts, because you still haven't figured out the difference between ethnicity and race. Any race can sit inside an ethnicity and sometimes the two correlate, but they're not the same thing.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: junker on October 26, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
To be fair Junker, I made a pun, you subtly pointed out his malapropism. So I’m the true North Eastern White Overlord.

To be more fair, it is more a homophone than a malapropism.

Incorrect. Homophone’s are pronounced the same. Only cementing my status as Das Uberman.

Must be a Canuck difference since most people in Americaland pronounce them the same. But also it is missing the spirit of a malapropism. Maybe Pardisfla can check in and make a decision; he is a cunning linguist and master debater. Let us enjoy the debate, bone apple tea.

Edit- also homophone’s lmao possessive what a ifiot

Edit 2 - also, drink
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on October 26, 2018, 11:54:13 PM
Rushy, there is a key difference between saying biology is a factor, and saying biology is "the only" factor. I did not say biology was the only factor as I have repetedly said in previous post - here's another example of you straw manning and attempting to get me to debate what I never claimed. Congrats, you succeeded. And here we are again of topic, thanks.

Thork, you said "accept people" in a previous post. Meaning don't reject them, that is what I based my assumption on when I said I agreed and you were right.

Perhaps you meant "except people"?

Either way, I stand by my regards.

By definition, the only factor in race is biological, that's what makes it a race. If whatever you're describing isn't biological in nature, it's an ethnicity. This is why you confused "African American" with a race in your previous posts, because you still haven't figured out the difference between ethnicity and race. Any race can sit inside an ethnicity and sometimes the two correlate, but they're not the same thing.

Okay, maybe we can meet half-way... Is it fair to say that our assignments of race are based on society and culture, while the racial terms themselves are an attempt to segregate our biology?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Rushy on October 27, 2018, 01:43:20 AM
Okay, maybe we can meet half-way... Is it fair to say that our assignments of race are based on society and culture, while the racial terms themselves are an attempt to segregate our biology?

Yes, that sounds correct.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: totallackey on October 29, 2018, 03:49:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8mUia75k8
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Cain on November 16, 2018, 07:58:50 PM
Isn't all of America too white, though?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: timterroo on November 17, 2018, 12:48:50 AM
Isn't all of America too white, though?

I don't follow the logic in saying a society is "too" anything. That's no different than saying Africa is too black, or china is too asian. Nebraska is too "corn and tractor", West Virginia is too "hill-billy". Earth is too human...
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on November 17, 2018, 12:58:33 AM
Isn't all of America too white, though?

I don't follow the logic in saying a society is "too" anything. That's no different than saying Africa is too black, or china is too asian. Nebraska is too "corn and tractor", West Virginia is too "hill-billy". Earth is too human...
So in 1939 Germany wasn't too Nazi?
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: markjo on November 17, 2018, 01:34:30 AM
Isn't all of America too white, though?
That depends on who you ask.
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: junker on November 17, 2018, 01:50:37 AM
Isn't all of America too white, though?

I don't follow the logic in saying a society is "too" anything. That's no different than saying Africa is too black, or china is too asian. Nebraska is too "corn and tractor", West Virginia is too "hill-billy". Earth is too human...
So in 1939 Germany wasn't too Nazi?

i dont think being a nazi is an immutable trait fam
Title: Re: The US Northeast is Too White
Post by: Baby Thork on November 17, 2018, 10:19:43 AM
Isn't all of America too white, though?

I don't follow the logic in saying a society is "too" anything. That's no different than saying Africa is too black, or china is too asian. Nebraska is too "corn and tractor", West Virginia is too "hill-billy". Earth is too human...
So in 1939 Germany wasn't too Nazi?

i dont think being a nazi is an immutable trait fam
And being 'corn and tractor' is?