I actually thought it was a good video, well made.I agree the statement is untrue, but it might be not as straightforward as that. Because few earth images are photographs as with a camera. Himaware-8 and the US's GOES satellites use multi-spectral imagers that assemble products from strips, including frequencies outside of human visible light. Whether or not that is considered a "composite" I don't know. I think not, but you might get sticklers contesting since it's not a single exposure photograph. I'm not even sure if any geostationary satellites have cameras with a FOV wide enough to capture the whole earth in one shot.
There's loads of thing wrong with the content, first point was the claim that:
"Every image of earth since the blue marble is a composite. Only one image of earth in existence."
Completely untrue. The NASA quote is taken completely out of context. The himawari8 satellite (nothing to do with NASA) takes a photo of the whole earth every 10 minutes.
I actually thought it was a good video, well made.I agree the statement is untrue, but it might be not as straightforward as that. Because few earth images are photographs as with a camera. Himaware-8 and the US's GOES satellites use multi-spectral imagers that assemble products from strips, including frequencies outside of human visible light. Whether or not that is considered a "composite" I don't know. I think not, but you might get sticklers contesting since it's not a single exposure photograph. I'm not even sure if any geostationary satellites have cameras with a FOV wide enough to capture the whole earth in one shot.
There's loads of thing wrong with the content, first point was the claim that:
"Every image of earth since the blue marble is a composite. Only one image of earth in existence."
Completely untrue. The NASA quote is taken completely out of context. The himawari8 satellite (nothing to do with NASA) takes a photo of the whole earth every 10 minutes.
The EPIC imager on DSCOVR (which is positioned much further away from earth than geostationary imagers) is multispectrum also, but I believe it's distance from earth, aperture and method of image capture should qualify it as a noncomposite image, even though it does combine 10 spectral channels to create images. The FOV, though, is wide enough to image the entire earth in one "shot," so even if Himarawa and GOES are disqualified from refuting the blue marble claim, I think DSCOVR (EPIC) isn't.
https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/epic (https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/epic)
A bit more research and investigation, I reckon, if you want to be taken seriously.
but props for you for actually trying to create a flat earth map
For a first go, its a very good one.
Ignore this ...Quote from: Max_AlmondA bit more research and investigation, I reckon, if you want to be taken seriously.
Focus on this ...but props for you for actually trying to create a flat earth map
You may also want to research more about how flights are tracked when they are over the southern hemisphere oceans, as what you're saying in the video is inaccurate.
Information isn't hidden, it's unavailable.
Nor are planes tracked by GPS, but rather by ADS-B and radar.
I've just joined this forum to post my first flat earth video. I propose that the Peirce Quincuncial Projection is an accurate map of the flat earth. Please watch this video and let me know your thoughts. I welcome feedback.
Your lines (squares) of lattitude contain right angles, requiring a traveller to turn 90 degrees to maintain an east or west heading at certain points on the globe, that does not happen.
I can also fly from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14.5 hours (the black line on the image which is about 9 CM).
https://imgur.com/a/WASO5
Have you actually been to all four south poles on your Peirce Quincuncial Projection (of the Globe, I might add) to see if they are really in different places?I can also fly from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14.5 hours (the black line on the image which is about 9 CM).
https://imgur.com/a/WASO5
Have you actually taken this journey from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia? Is this really possible?
A Flight over the Antarctic Sea Ice From Chile to Australia (QF28)You might also read Flat Earth Theory Debunked by Short Flights (QF27 & QF28) From Australia to South America. (https://www.metabunk.org/flat-earth-theory-debunked-by-short-flights-qf27-qf28-from-australia-to-south-america.t6483/)(https://www.dropbox.com/s/dzn39dx960bpe3o/TWCobra%2C%20Senior%20Member%2C%20Metabunk%20-%20Mercator%20Map%2C%2020161210-152703-oepxr.jpg?dl=1)[Nov 18 2016] For anyone interested, in a couple of hours I'll be heading out of Santiago heading for Sydney on the QF28. The flight plan has us spending quite a bit of time at 71'30" South and the cloud forecast at the moment shows not a lot of cloud! Lucky I brought 2 GoPros with me!
QF28, Route on Mercator's Projection
Fingers crossed for a good time-lapse video of the ice pack!
The pic above shows the route. I've been meaning to post something explaining great circle routes and why they are faster. This map will help once I compare it to the Google Earth representation of the track.
In the meantime we will be taking off around 1700 GMT and landing about 14 hours later. Only around 5% of the flight will be visible on FR24 as there is just nobody to pick up our ADSB signals.
Main Flight plan has just arrived with 13:25 as the flight time which should have us in Sydney on schedule at 0645 UTC. Here is what the flight looks like in the Nav software.(https://www.dropbox.com/s/326pwdxphsy74mq/TWCobra%2C%20Senior%20Member%2C%20Metabunk%20-%20Polar%20Map%2C%20upload_2016-12-10_14-58-56.png?dl=1)[UPDATE: Nov 19, 2016]
QF28, Route on Polar Projection
Just got in. We had 30 minutes with an awesome view of the ice.
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Read the rest in: A Flight over the Antarctic Sea Ice From Chile to Australia (QF28) (https://www.metabunk.org/a-flight-over-the-antarctic-sea-ice-from-chile-to-australia-qf28.t8235/)
You've raised some good points. So I will look into the sun paths and distances between countries.Your lines (squares) of lattitude contain right angles, requiring a traveller to turn 90 degrees to maintain an east or west heading at certain points on the globe, that does not happen.
This map does show the equator as a square with right angles. However, you only have to travel slightly away from the corner positions for the lines of latitude to curve again. So with only four very small points on the map causing the line of lattitude to turn exactly 90 degrees, in the middle of the sea, this could be covered up.
You've raised some good points. So I will look into the sun paths and distances between countries.But aircraft do not do this. They do not ‘cut the corner’ in order to save time. They go right to the corner and then ‘turn’. Why do they do this? To save fuel. The shortest distance along the equator is along the equator. But this map has the equator as the longest distance. It makes the flight from the Congo to Brazil about three times longer than it actually is, at a rough estimate.Your lines (squares) of lattitude contain right angles, requiring a traveller to turn 90 degrees to maintain an east or west heading at certain points on the globe, that does not happen.
This map does show the equator as a square with right angles. However, you only have to travel slightly away from the corner positions for the lines of latitude to curve again. So with only four very small points on the map causing the line of lattitude to turn exactly 90 degrees, in the middle of the sea, this could be covered up.
How long is the flight from the Congo to Brazil? ;)
Nice: I hadn't heard of the Luanda-Sao Paolo flight before. I shall add it to my list of direct southern hemisphere flights (74+ per week last time I checked).
So with all of these international flights in the southern hemisphere that are impossible in my flat earth map, what does a map of the flat earth look like?Well there can't be one due to the geometry of space. If you plot distances on a sphere, you find it is geometrically impossible to represent them on a plane surface. So if you find the same problem with distances on the Earth, that suggests it is spherical, no?
Does anyone have a flat earth model that works or is everyone experiencing connotative dissonance like me?
So with all of these international flights in the southern hemisphere that are impossible in my flat earth map, what does a map of the flat earth look like?Welcome to why we have the 'gem' of "We don't know the distance between New York and Paris" from the FE side. The known/published distances will only work on a sphere. Which means, in order for the Earth to be flat, at the very least the distances across the waters of the world must be inaccurate/unknown. There's no way around that. Which opens up a whole host of worms, the largest being that no vehicle that travels across the waters for long distances, can accurately know it's speed. Or at least something to that effect. It's a bit of a problem really.
Does anyone have a flat earth model that works or is everyone experiencing connotative dissonance like me?
Nice: I hadn't heard of the Luanda-Sao Paolo flight before. I shall add it to my list of direct southern hemisphere flights (74+ per week last time I checked).
I can also fly from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14.5 hours (the black line on the image which is about 9 CM).
https://imgur.com/a/WASO5
Have you actually taken this journey from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia? Is this really possible?
So with all of these international flights in the southern hemisphere that are impossible in my flat earth map, what does a map of the flat earth look like?
Nice: I hadn't heard of the Luanda-Sao Paolo flight before. I shall add it to my list of direct southern hemisphere flights (74+ per week last time I checked).
74+ southern hemisphere flights per week? How do you check and are you able to send me a list please?
I can also fly from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14.5 hours (the black line on the image which is about 9 CM).
https://imgur.com/a/WASO5
Have you actually taken this journey from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia? Is this really possible?
Have I flown from South America to Australia in roughly 15 hours? Yes.So with all of these international flights in the southern hemisphere that are impossible in my flat earth map, what does a map of the flat earth look like?
There is no accurate map of the flat earth that even comes close to matching real life flight/shipping times that we observe daily in real life.
We know these flight/shipping times are accurate because planes/ships have a departing date/time and an arrival date/time.
One proposed idea is that flat earth times and flat earth distances are significantly different than round earth times and round earth distances.
(so the 14.5 round earth hour south america/Australia flight is really like 30 something flat earth hours)
My idea is that in the flat earth map there is some teleportation airplanes to the opposite side of the circle when they leave the circle.
So with all of these international flights in the southern hemisphere that are impossible in my flat earth map, what does a map of the flat earth look like?Welcome to why we have the 'gem' of "We don't know the distance between New York and Paris" from the FE side. The known/published distances will only work on a sphere. Which means, in order for the Earth to be flat, at the very least the distances across the waters of the world must be inaccurate/unknown. There's no way around that. Which opens up a whole host of worms, the largest being that no vehicle that travels across the waters for long distances, can accurately know it's speed. Or at least something to that effect. It's a bit of a problem really.
Does anyone have a flat earth model that works or is everyone experiencing connotative dissonance like me?
Thanks. I'll take a look at this and try to develop my 2D model. I'll try to get all of this data into a relational SQL database and try to visualize it in an application called Gephi. There must be a way of making all of this work.
Thanks. I'll take a look at this and try to develop my 2D model. I'll try to get all of this data into a relational SQL database and try to visualize it in an application called Gephi. There must be a way of making all of this work.
keep in mind that the longest direct flight, per the article listed below, is 17.5 "round earth" hours.
https://www.hopper.com/articles/1049/the-worlds-20-longest-non-stop-flights (https://www.hopper.com/articles/1049/the-worlds-20-longest-non-stop-flights)
It has been suggested that our current time system was specifically designed to support a globe earth.
It has been suggested that our current distance system was specifically designed to support a globe earth.
It has been suggested that our measurement system was specifically designed to support a globe earth.
Without the ability to measure "flat earth" distances creating any sort of map is impossible as measuring distance is the foundation of cartography.
In the dome flat earth model it has been suggested that something flying through the dome would instantly teleport to the corresponding opposite side of the dome.
So, in order to make all of this work, you also have to assume that this relationship does not hold over water for some reason, despite many centuries of people navigating via latitude/longitude over the oceans.
You also have to ask yourself why this perfectly aligns with a spherical earth model. Yes, I know, oblate spheroid, but it's so close to being a sphere that it might as well be, at least compared to, say, a flat model.
The phrase is "cognitive dissonance", and the reason you have it is because you are trying to examine evidence and fit it into a model that has been shown to not fit the evidence for thousands of years. Keep at it, and you will either start to ignore the evidence, or you will convince yourself the earth is not flat.
So, in order to make all of this work, you also have to assume that this relationship does not hold over water for some reason, despite many centuries of people navigating via latitude/longitude over the oceans.
You also have to ask yourself why this perfectly aligns with a spherical earth model. Yes, I know, oblate spheroid, but it's so close to being a sphere that it might as well be, at least compared to, say, a flat model.
The phrase is "cognitive dissonance", and the reason you have it is because you are trying to examine evidence and fit it into a model that has been shown to not fit the evidence for thousands of years. Keep at it, and you will either start to ignore the evidence, or you will convince yourself the earth is not flat.
Where is your evidence that everything perfectly aligns with the Round Earth model?
Where is your data and study of paths between all points on earth and comparison with the lat/lon coordinate system?
If you cannot produce significant evidence for this wild claim, other than fallacious appeals, then you will need to stop making it.
So, in order to make all of this work, you also have to assume that this relationship does not hold over water for some reason, despite many centuries of people navigating via latitude/longitude over the oceans.
You also have to ask yourself why this perfectly aligns with a spherical earth model. Yes, I know, oblate spheroid, but it's so close to being a sphere that it might as well be, at least compared to, say, a flat model.
The phrase is "cognitive dissonance", and the reason you have it is because you are trying to examine evidence and fit it into a model that has been shown to not fit the evidence for thousands of years. Keep at it, and you will either start to ignore the evidence, or you will convince yourself the earth is not flat.
Where is your evidence that everything perfectly aligns with the Round Earth model?
Where is your data and study of paths between all points on earth and comparison with the lat/lon coordinate system?
If you cannot produce significant evidence for this wild claim, other than fallacious appeals, then you will need to stop making it.
Even you [Bishop] admitted that latitude and longitude are quantities that can be measured. Once you can measure them, and if you can also measure distances (which we can using a car's odometer), you can get the relationships I mentioned.Correct. Latitude and longitude are essentially measures of position. Once you combine these with accurate measurement of surface distance, you can measure the shape of the earth’s surface.
We do generally admit the limits of our knowledge. However, you guys consistently state "this is known" and "the data is consistent" and similar statements. If you are going to make such claims of something being known, then you are expected to demonstrate your claims.
We do generally admit the limits of our knowledge. However, you guys consistently state "this is known" and "the data is consistent" and similar statements. If you are going to make such claims of something being known, then you are expected to demonstrate your claims.
If you cannot demonstrate your claims, that is an automatic lose.
We do generally admit the limits of our knowledge. However, you guys consistently state "this is known" and "the data is consistent" and similar statements. If you are going to make such claims of something being known, then you are expected to demonstrate your claims.
If you cannot demonstrate your claims, that is an automatic lose.
It's one thing to claim that the earth is flat. It's a totally different claim to say that, in hundreds of years of advancement in navigation, cartography, math, surveying, and science that the distance between two cities is totally unknown or a claim that we have no idea what a map of the earth looks like.
If we have no idea what a map of the earth looks like how on earth am I able to use google maps? How am I able to drive from Alaska to Mexico?
by the way Google maps has photographic evidence backing up their map "claims"
I can't help but feeling we're getting a little off-topic here: the thread isn't about defending or proving the globe earth, it's about helping David Apple refine his proposed flat earth map.
So far we've done nicely with bringing him new information which will assist him in his project - and no doubt he's setting at it and will come back with an improved version.
But I can't help but feel this last page has been a bit of a derailment, and that it might not be better placed in a new thread.
Perhaps Tom could start one titled something like "Evidence that the globe earth isn't real" and give us something to look at.
In the meantime, I look forward to DA's updated version of his very attractive map.
Its the kind of map that isn't seen very often, and might therefore lend itself to T-shirts, mugs and other nice things if David wants some of his time back in the form of silver. From flat earth perspective, an alternative might be nice without the lines of longitude. IE without the working ... which can just be enjoyed from its own asthetic layout of the lad masses.
David has one North Pole and 4 South Poles. Obviously for flat earth, those 4 points are actually are a single point, all joined by a circle (perimeter) with its centre at the North Pole.
You know what I mean. The whole South is the south pole on an FE map.No it still makes no sense. Do you mean that all those places which are different on the FE map are actually the same place in reality? Then it's not an accurate map, is it. Imagine if I were trying to find Paddington station on a map which actually had four different spots where the station would be, quite far apart. Then I would have a 1 in 4 chance of getting there, no?
And herein lies the problem.....
The “satellites” maps on google are claimed to be fake, because there are no satellites possible on FE. Therefore they cannot be accurate, or are representations of what we expect to see.
If you drive from one place to another using your Sat Nav, this is not accepted as there are reservations regarding it accuracy (i personally have no concerns, but that is my opinion) and of course if there are no satellites, GPS cannot exist.
Also one of the main issues of the FEers is that our charts and maps are created with the premise of the earth being round, and as it is known by the FE community to be flat, then the maps and charts must be in error.
So we need to explore ways of looking at the earth which do not rely upon the earth being a globe, and discuss methods and ideas that do not rely upon the basic principle of the world being a globe.
Challenging i know, and i look forwards to the discussions hopefully to follow by the FE believers
You know what I mean. The whole South is the south pole on an FE map.That's great! And since the pole is at 90 degrees south latitude, you should be able to go there, measure 90 degrees latitude, travel a large number of miles in some direction, and still measure 90 degrees latitude!
You know what I mean. The whole South is the south pole on an FE map.
And herein lies the problem.....
The “satellites” maps on google are claimed to be fake, because there are no satellites possible on FE. Therefore they cannot be accurate, or are representations of what we expect to see.
If you drive from one place to another using your Sat Nav, this is not accepted as there are reservations regarding it accuracy (i personally have no concerns, but that is my opinion) and of course if there are no satellites, GPS cannot exist.
Also one of the main issues of the FEers is that our charts and maps are created with the premise of the earth being round, and as it is known by the FE community to be flat, then the maps and charts must be in error.
So we need to explore ways of looking at the earth which do not rely upon the earth being a globe, and discuss methods and ideas that do not rely upon the basic principle of the world being a globe.
Challenging i know, and i look forwards to the discussions hopefully to follow by the FE believers
Google maps has millions and millions of photographs taken from Google map cars which provides strong, non satellite, evidence that someone actually drove down those streets to create the map. I'm not talking about a round earth, i'm not talking about a satellite, i'm talking about a semi accurate map of the earth.
The earth could be flat, round, oval, or a freaking cylinder and we should at least be able to agree that we know that Canada is north of the United states. We should be able to agree that Brazil is in South America which is South of Mexico.
You know what I mean. The whole South is the south pole on an FE map.
But Tom saysNobody cares what Tom says. He's not the prophet you guys take him for. He's welcome to his opinions, but "but Tom said a thing that disagrees with you!" is just not an argument anyone should give a crap about.
But Tom saysNobody cares what Tom says. He's not the prophet you guys take him for. He's welcome to his opinions, but "but Tom said a thing that disagrees with you!" is just not an argument anyone should give a crap about.
Yes, it's true that 100 years ago many prominent FE'ers rejected the monopole model. Since then, 100 years have passed, and most of those guys are pretty dead.
“It was recently suggested, by a Zetetic council member, that the Society rejected the monopole model over 100 years ago”The ZC has been defunct for years, and its function was completely irrelevant to what you're saying here.
Better?
It is hard to be able say what the society believes in when you quote a Zetetic council member and prominent member of the site, only to be told his statements dont carry any weight.Indeed. Trying to force one individual's views onto a group is a silly thing to do. You've been here long enough to know that there are multiple competing models, and yet you still persist in the logic of "but someone who believes in another model said he doesn't believe in your model!" What's the point in that?
I will remember that in future.Make no mistake, friendo - I'm also not the infallible FE prophet you're looking for. The next time you try smugly explaining to Tom that "b-but Pete said", you're likely to get a similar response.
However my point still stands that there apparently is an opinion amongst some members that the monopole model is not correct.You're extremely generous to yourself - statements of the obvious are not really a "point". And no, your "point" doesn't "stand". Telling Thork that his views are not the same as the views of someone else is not advancing the discussion in any way.
This is a bit of what Tom Bishop has said about the bi-polar map:You know what I mean. The whole South is the south pole on an FE map.
But Tom says in a different post that the flat earth community rejected the monopole idea over 100 years ago.
Then it cannot be true that the South Pole is all around the world at the south, which is a monopole model yes?
And the OP model does not have a bi polar model presented. I suggest that the OP might want to reflect the possibility of the bi polar model, just in case it turns out to be the accurate form?
Rabinoz, I support the Bi-Polar model, so I don't know what you are trying to prove to me there.(http://wiki.tfes.org/images/c/c2/Altmap.png)
Another alternative model descripting Antarctica as a distinct continent.
There is still an "ice wall" in this model, but it not Antarctica.
Beyond the rays of the sun the waters will naturally freeze.
Undoubtedly many more questions will arise,
so if you point me to a good write-up, I'll keep out of your way (on this topic) for a while.
The South Pole was not yet discovered when Rowbotham wrote Earth Not a Globe. It is understandable why he might depict the earth without it.
The Bi-Polar model is first advocated in the book The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918). However, the layout of the continents is left ambiguous due to lack of data. The layout and dimensions of the continents in our picture may be different as well. Someone apparently just found a map projection of a globe that looked similar for illustrative purposes.
Yes, it's true that 100 years ago many prominent FE'ers rejected the monopole model. Since then, 100 years have passed, and most of those guys are pretty dead.Well that's a new one. An appeal to sentience. ;)
The airline says it paves the way for removing all windows from future planes, making them lighter and faster.It is clear that this is nonsense. Air liners fly in the trans-sonic range. Taking the windows out isn't going to make them supersonic. And the altitude will be the same because the engines will stay the same so their efficiency isn't going to change. A prime example of Airlines lying to make you think they are doing something to improve your service when they aren't.
What is the date and time in either of the two images above?How about you have a go before complaining about my efforts? Only takes 10 seconds to make an objection.
Also: when does the sun ever cast a perfect circle?
You clearly missed what I was trying to achieve.
I took a 200 year old sketch and tried to add some photo realism to it. That's it. That's all it is. To make it more imaginable.
I will remember that in future.Make no mistake, friendo - I'm also not the infallible FE prophet you're looking for. The next time you try smugly explaining to Tom that "b-but Pete said", you're likely to get a similar response.
You are completely missing the point of this. We're a group that openly advocates the defiance of any authority, and you're sitting here getting grumpy over the fact that we have no authorities.
It is clear that this is nonsense. Air liners fly in the trans-sonic range. Taking the windows out isn't going to make them supersonic. And the altitude will be the same because the engines will stay the same so their efficiency isn't going to change. A prime example of Airlines lying to make you think they are doing something to improve your service when they aren't.I presume you have expertise in aerodynamics?
So I've been looking for flight data to correct my map. openflights.org has lots of data on airports and routes but unfortunately, it doesn't include estimated flight times which is crucial.
They do however, have an Equirectuangual projection showing flight routes, so I have worked my Peirce Quincuncial Projection magic on this image to show exactly where my map fails.
It's interesting to see how few flights venture over the north pole.
So I really need a database of estimates flight times to continue. If any of you know about this, please let me know.
Can I ask you try this one if you are experimenting?
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/2916
It is a very famous NASA Composite. Would be interesting to see a version in your 'flat earth' format. I think would be very pretty.
It's more the other way around: the line of longitude was centred on Greenwich, by humans.
We now call that line the 'prime meridian' - but there were other claimants to that title back in the day: 0 degrees could just as easily have been centred on Paris.
Do lines of longitude actually exist? Or are they merely man-made constructs and delineations?
Those don't "actually exist" either. As in, there are an infinite number of lines joining the north and south poles, and any one of them could have been the "zero line".
The tropics, on the other hand, and the equator could be said to "exist in reality", given that they actually represent something real. Same perhaps for the lines of latitude that represent the angles to the sun/north and south celestial poles (ie, all of them).¿
I guess what I'm saying is there's no discernible reason for David Apple to draw lines of longitude on his map. The tropics and the equator, though, should be represented.
Note though that if you include Antarctica, no choice of meridian results in an accurate map. Land that straddles the pole is a big problem for your projection
I may be missing the point. I thought you were trying to create an accurate flat earth map. But are you now saying you just want to create a more accurate PQ projection?
I may be missing the point. I thought you were trying to create an accurate flat earth map. But are you now saying you just want to create a more accurate PQ projection?
I'm simply asking if there is a connection between Greenwich and Charles Sanders Peirce.
Peirce is now known as a philosopher and logician, but from 1859 to 1891 he was employed by the U. S. Coast and Geodetic Survey. That would explain his interest in projections. And the late 19th century saw a culmination of various geodetic projects to measure the shape of the earth.I may be missing the point. I thought you were trying to create an accurate flat earth map. But are you now saying you just want to create a more accurate PQ projection?
I'm simply asking if there is a connection between Greenwich and Charles Sanders Peirce.
I wouldn't have thought so. Probably as you say above: the proximity of the dates is simply coincidence.
Peirce is now known as a philosopher and logician, but from 1859 to 1891 he was employed by the U. S. Coast and Geodetic Survey. That would explain his interest in projections. And the late 19th century saw a culmination of various geodetic projects to measure the shape of the earth.I may be missing the point. I thought you were trying to create an accurate flat earth map. But are you now saying you just want to create a more accurate PQ projection?
I'm simply asking if there is a connection between Greenwich and Charles Sanders Peirce.
I wouldn't have thought so. Probably as you say above: the proximity of the dates is simply coincidence.
So not a coincidence, but of no particular significance, in my view.
London seems like the only place that preserves the shapes of 99% of land masses. This seems like more than a coincidence to me.Big competition between English and French, who had their own Paris meridian. French gave way in the end, in return for some concession. Purely political reason.
Does anyone know the official reason why Greenwich was chosen as the prime meridian?
Does anyone know the official reason why Greenwich was chosen as the prime meridian?
London seems like the only place that preserves the shapes of 99% of land masses. This seems like more than a coincidence to me.Big competition between English and French, who had their own Paris meridian. French gave way in the end, in return for some concession. Purely political reason.
Does anyone know the official reason why Greenwich was chosen as the prime meridian?
I find a hard to believe that it was purely a political reason when this line of longitude works so perfectly to create the Peirce Quincuncial projection (which was developed just 5 years before).
I understand if you have doubts that this projection is an actual flat Earth map. But this "political coincidence" leads me to believe that it is part of the jigsaw puzzle.
my favorite part of these flat earth maps is how latitude and longitude apparently have no real meaning and are treated as just lines on a piece of paper.Are you suggesting there are large blue lines painted across the ocean? Or are they just lines on a piece of paper?
They have real meaning and are used to calculate shipping distances.my favorite part of these flat earth maps is how latitude and longitude apparently have no real meaning and are treated as just lines on a piece of paper.Are you suggesting there are large blue lines painted across the ocean? Or are they just lines on a piece of paper?
Knowledge of a ship's east-west position was essential when approaching land. After a long voyage, cumulative errors in dead reckoning frequently led to shipwrecks and a great loss of life. Avoiding such disasters became vital in Harrison's lifetime, in an era when trade and navigation were increasing dramatically around the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_HarrisonYou know Harrison’s story, right?
The Scilly naval disaster of 1707 was the loss of four warships of a Royal Navy fleet off the Isles of Scilly in severe weather on 22 October 1707. 1550 sailors lost their lives aboard the wrecked vessels, making the incident one of the worst maritime disasters in British naval history. The disaster has been attributed to the navigators' inability to accurately calculate their positions, to errors in the available charts and pilot books, to inadequate compasses and to a combination of these factors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scilly_naval_disaster_of_1707
I understand if you have doubts that this projection is an actual flat Earth map. But this "political coincidence" leads me to believe that it is part of the jigsaw puzzle.I have doubts that it represents the actual distances, both sea and land, to anything like the right amount. Is that what you meant?
I don't understand the 'jigsaw puzzle' bit at all.
I don't understand the importance you seem to ascribe to it. Peirce was working on his own in his eccentric way, some committee or other decided to place the prime meridian in London. I don't understand why there should be any relationship between these events.I don't understand the 'jigsaw puzzle' bit at all.
Do you understand the 'political coincidence'? I've described it repeatedly at length.
my favorite part of these flat earth maps is how latitude and longitude apparently have no real meaning and are treated as just lines on a piece of paper.Are you suggesting there are large blue lines painted across the ocean? Or are they just lines on a piece of paper?