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Title: Your map is wrong.
Post by: der_kluge on January 27, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
Since Flat Earth people are so interested in using what they can observe in order to prove what's going on, let's get on some hypothetical flights around the world.

According to your map on your Wikipedia, a flight from Santiago, Chile to Auckland, New Zealand should take a really long time. Using Expedia (use whatever site you want, it doesn't matter), if you travel from Santiago to Auckland it's about a 13 hour flight. That's a long time to sit on your butt, but it's not as long a flight as going from say, Anchorage, Alaska to Helsinki, Finland!  That's a 14 hour flight, according to Expedia.

So, how is it, Flat Earthers, that traveling from Santiago to Auckland is an hour longer then traveling from Anchorage to Helsinki?  According to your map, Anchorage to Helsinki should be a very short flight - just right over the arctic. Maybe a few hours at most.

Furthermore, if your map was right, and you traveled from Santiago to Sydney (on the southern coast of Australia), you should in theory see land most of the way there, but that's not what you'd see at all - it would mostly be ocean, and it would land in Auckland, and the connect to the Australia mainland.

In fact, if you go to https://flightaware.com/live/ (https://flightaware.com/live/) you can see flights around the world as they happen. I'm looking at one right now that left Santiago and is flying to Melbourne directly. And it has this hugely curved flight path. Why would the flight path be curved?  That makes no sense. If the Earth was flat, this flight path would be a straight line. The airlines aren't interested in wasting gas, and wasting everyone's time.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: LuckyRedCS on February 08, 2018, 05:49:08 PM
If I had to guess, their answer would be that airlines are in on the conspiracy. Which obviously doesn't make any sense, but there isn't much here that does.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: Curious Squirrel on February 08, 2018, 06:17:24 PM
If I had to guess, their answer would be that airlines are in on the conspiracy. Which obviously doesn't make any sense, but there isn't much here that does.
No, their answer would be that they don't have a map, so why are you attempting to evaluate distances based on the non-existent map?
In addition (alternatively for some, not at all for others) how do you know what these flights see? Have you traveled on them?
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: Scroogie on February 13, 2018, 04:10:34 AM

No, their answer would be that they don't have a map, so why are you attempting to evaluate distances based on the non-existent map?

Indeed, they don't. Sadly, a couple of months ago I pointed out to the flerfers that they could easily create their map - all the requisite data is both extant and readily available - but said map has yet to materialize.  That map alone would do wonders for their credibility while simultaneously quieting many of us disbelievers.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: totallackey on February 13, 2018, 04:21:39 PM
Since Flat Earth people are so interested in using what they can observe in order to prove what's going on, let's get on some hypothetical flights around the world.

According to your map on your Wikipedia, a flight from Santiago, Chile to Auckland, New Zealand should take a really long time. Using Expedia (use whatever site you want, it doesn't matter), if you travel from Santiago to Auckland it's about a 13 hour flight. That's a long time to sit on your butt, but it's not as long a flight as going from say, Anchorage, Alaska to Helsinki, Finland!  That's a 14 hour flight, according to Expedia.

So, how is it, Flat Earthers, that traveling from Santiago to Auckland is an hour longer then traveling from Anchorage to Helsinki?  According to your map, Anchorage to Helsinki should be a very short flight - just right over the arctic. Maybe a few hours at most.

Furthermore, if your map was right, and you traveled from Santiago to Sydney (on the southern coast of Australia), you should in theory see land most of the way there, but that's not what you'd see at all - it would mostly be ocean, and it would land in Auckland, and the connect to the Australia mainland.

In fact, if you go to https://flightaware.com/live/ (https://flightaware.com/live/) you can see flights around the world as they happen. I'm looking at one right now that left Santiago and is flying to Melbourne directly. And it has this hugely curved flight path. Why would the flight path be curved?  That makes no sense. If the Earth was flat, this flight path would be a straight line. The airlines aren't interested in wasting gas, and wasting everyone's time.
First challenge I make to this post is I doubt you were able to see any flight on flightaware that was taking place south of the Equator.

If you actually were seeing it, then investigators into MH370 would have simply popped that software up and found the plane right away.

Fact is, plane travel SOUTH of the Equator is virtually untrackable, even today. Reported routes are nowhere near reality.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: xenotolerance on February 13, 2018, 04:56:04 PM
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: Curious Squirrel on February 13, 2018, 05:08:54 PM
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
Because (as discussed in other threads) flight tracking in the Southern Hemisphere relies mostly on GPS/Sats (which don't/can't exist in most FEH) and not so much ground based telemetry. This is presuming they actually are tracking the flight as it moves across the ocean. Some (not all, not even sure on most) appear to simply sort of 'guess' where the flight is instead of using any data from something. They base the statement about reported routes and such on a small handful of anecdotes.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: nickrulercreator on February 13, 2018, 05:11:54 PM
First challenge I make to this post is I doubt you were able to see any flight on flightaware that was taking place south of the Equator.

If you actually were seeing it, then investigators into MH370 would have simply popped that software up and found the plane right away.

Fact is, plane travel SOUTH of the Equator is virtually untrackable, even today. Reported routes are nowhere near reality.

baba booey (https://flightaware.com/live/)
anotha one (https://www.flightradar24.com/)
maybe the third time's the charm (https://www.radarbox24.com/)
have i made my point yet (https://www.esky.com/radar)
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: totallackey on February 13, 2018, 05:23:18 PM
First challenge I make to this post is I doubt you were able to see any flight on flightaware that was taking place south of the Equator.

If you actually were seeing it, then investigators into MH370 would have simply popped that software up and found the plane right away.

Fact is, plane travel SOUTH of the Equator is virtually untrackable, even today. Reported routes are nowhere near reality.

baba booey (https://flightaware.com/live/)
anotha one (https://www.flightradar24.com/)
maybe the third time's the charm (https://www.radarbox24.com/)
have i made my point yet (https://www.esky.com/radar)
So you want to spam the forum with flight tracking apps that are not capable of tracking southern hemiplane flights?
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: totallackey on February 13, 2018, 05:24:32 PM
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
You all just want to ignore MH370, uh...?
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: Scroogie on February 13, 2018, 11:21:43 PM
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
You all just want to ignore MH370, uh...?

OK, so an airplane disappeared. They disappear in both hemispheres. AAMOF, more disappear in the northern than the southern hemisphere. Why? because there are more flights in the northern hemisphere and statistics dictate that it be so.

Now what, exactly, does this have to do with flight tracking in the southern hemisphere?
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: nickrulercreator on February 14, 2018, 03:11:14 AM
So you want to spam the forum with flight tracking apps that are not capable of tracking southern hemiplane flights?

Did you... did you look at the sites? They were tracking at least a few dozen flights below the equator, meaning they were in the southern hemisphere.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: totallackey on February 14, 2018, 12:30:04 PM
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
You all just want to ignore MH370, uh...?

OK, so an airplane disappeared. They disappear in both hemispheres. AAMOF, more disappear in the northern than the southern hemisphere. Why? because there are more flights in the northern hemisphere and statistics dictate that it be so.

Now what, exactly, does this have to do with flight tracking in the southern hemisphere?
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
You all just want to ignore MH370, uh...?

OK, so an airplane disappeared. They disappear in both hemispheres. AAMOF, more disappear in the northern than the southern hemisphere. Why? because there are more flights in the northern hemisphere and statistics dictate that it be so.

Now what, exactly, does this have to do with flight tracking in the southern hemisphere?
How many planes go missing in the Northern Hemiplane...

Hmmmm?

I can recall ZERO...does not mean there has not been any instance, but the last two missing flights I can recall took place in the Southern Hemiplane...

That is why the issue of flight tracking is related...
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: StinkyOne on February 14, 2018, 01:11:17 PM
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
You all just want to ignore MH370, uh...?

OK, so an airplane disappeared. They disappear in both hemispheres. AAMOF, more disappear in the northern than the southern hemisphere. Why? because there are more flights in the northern hemisphere and statistics dictate that it be so.

Now what, exactly, does this have to do with flight tracking in the southern hemisphere?
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
You all just want to ignore MH370, uh...?

OK, so an airplane disappeared. They disappear in both hemispheres. AAMOF, more disappear in the northern than the southern hemisphere. Why? because there are more flights in the northern hemisphere and statistics dictate that it be so.

Now what, exactly, does this have to do with flight tracking in the southern hemisphere?
How many planes go missing in the Northern Hemiplane...

Hmmmm?

I can recall ZERO...does not mean there has not been any instance, but the last two missing flights I can recall took place in the Southern Hemiplane...

That is why the issue of flight tracking is related...

Two flights go missing in the southern hemisphere and it is proof we can't track flights? I guess the thousands of successful flights were just luck. I'm sure it also has nothing to do with the fact that the southern hemisphere has a far larger ratio of water to land than the northern...
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: Curious Squirrel on February 14, 2018, 02:04:38 PM
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
You all just want to ignore MH370, uh...?

OK, so an airplane disappeared. They disappear in both hemispheres. AAMOF, more disappear in the northern than the southern hemisphere. Why? because there are more flights in the northern hemisphere and statistics dictate that it be so.

Now what, exactly, does this have to do with flight tracking in the southern hemisphere?
OP did write about a direct flight from Santiago to Melbourne, and you can just scroll down to look at South America's flights...

How do you figure that the equator marks a magic line past which planes become untrackable?
You all just want to ignore MH370, uh...?

OK, so an airplane disappeared. They disappear in both hemispheres. AAMOF, more disappear in the northern than the southern hemisphere. Why? because there are more flights in the northern hemisphere and statistics dictate that it be so.

Now what, exactly, does this have to do with flight tracking in the southern hemisphere?
How many planes go missing in the Northern Hemiplane...

Hmmmm?

I can recall ZERO...does not mean there has not been any instance, but the last two missing flights I can recall took place in the Southern Hemiplane...

That is why the issue of flight tracking is related...
The Malaysia flight was unique because of the size of the aircraft, and difficulty in finding it with vanishing over an ocean. Not to mention the number of flights that go missing now is incredibly small. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missing_aircraft Not only do some of these occur in the Northern hemisphere, but a couple of them occur in flights that take place over land for the majority of the journey.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: totallackey on February 14, 2018, 03:58:08 PM
Two flights go missing in the southern hemisphere and it is proof we can't track flights? I guess the thousands of successful flights were just luck. I'm sure it also has nothing to do with the fact that the southern hemisphere has a far larger ratio of water to land than the northern...
No, the proof that we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is the fact we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane.

There is no documented evidence a flight in the Southern Hemisplane has ever been completely tracked from poit of origin to destination utilizing any software/interface.

The reason we cannot accurately track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is precisely due to the vast expanse of ocean (cost of technology, relative dearth of flights in the region, etc.)

So you want to spam the forum with flight tracking apps that are not capable of tracking southern hemiplane flights?
Did you... did you look at the sites? They were tracking at least a few dozen flights below the equator, meaning they were in the southern hemisphere.
Of course you will se a red line (or whatever indicator of a plane is utilized) at some point on the monitor, but that will invariably drop from the screen as the flight is lost during the day.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: inquisitive on February 14, 2018, 04:24:20 PM
Two flights go missing in the southern hemisphere and it is proof we can't track flights? I guess the thousands of successful flights were just luck. I'm sure it also has nothing to do with the fact that the southern hemisphere has a far larger ratio of water to land than the northern...
No, the proof that we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is the fact we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane.

There is no documented evidence a flight in the Southern Hemisplane has ever been completely tracked from poit of origin to destination utilizing any software/interface.

The reason we cannot accurately track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is precisely due to the vast expanse of ocean (cost of technology, relative dearth of flights in the region, etc.)

So you want to spam the forum with flight tracking apps that are not capable of tracking southern hemiplane flights?
Did you... did you look at the sites? They were tracking at least a few dozen flights below the equator, meaning they were in the southern hemisphere.
Of course you will se a red line (or whatever indicator of a plane is utilized) at some point on the monitor, but that will invariably drop from the screen as the flight is lost during the day.
Look at flights across Australia.  Satellite based ADS will help your investigations when it is avàilable.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: Northman77 on February 14, 2018, 04:45:48 PM
Two flights go missing in the southern hemisphere and it is proof we can't track flights? I guess the thousands of successful flights were just luck. I'm sure it also has nothing to do with the fact that the southern hemisphere has a far larger ratio of water to land than the northern...
No, the proof that we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is the fact we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane.

There is no documented evidence a flight in the Southern Hemisplane has ever been completely tracked from poit of origin to destination utilizing any software/interface.

The reason we cannot accurately track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is precisely due to the vast expanse of ocean (cost of technology, relative dearth of flights in the region, etc.)

So you want to spam the forum with flight tracking apps that are not capable of tracking southern hemiplane flights?
Did you... did you look at the sites? They were tracking at least a few dozen flights below the equator, meaning they were in the southern hemisphere.
Of course you will se a red line (or whatever indicator of a plane is utilized) at some point on the monitor, but that will invariably drop from the screen as the flight is lost during the day.

Radar facilities are based on land, and each one has a range of about 200 miles (320 kilometers). So passenger jets on transoceanic flights do go off the radar map for a period of time — but that doesn't mean nobody's keeping tabs on them. The flight crews use combinations of high-frequency (HF) radio, satellite-based voice communication and text-data networks to report to ATC [air traffic control] the exact time, position and flight level when the crossing begins. They then update ATC with voice or text progress reports at defined geographic locations and time intervals. Airlines file flight plans, and airplanes are expected to arrive at certain points by certain times. When an airplane crew fails to check in at its next checkpoint, that is when an alarm is raised. This case is an extremely rare event, especially with the highly technologically advanced aircraft in the air today.

(Source: Livescience.com)
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: nickrulercreator on February 14, 2018, 04:56:40 PM
Two flights go missing in the southern hemisphere and it is proof we can't track flights? I guess the thousands of successful flights were just luck. I'm sure it also has nothing to do with the fact that the southern hemisphere has a far larger ratio of water to land than the northern...
No, the proof that we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is the fact we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane.

There is no documented evidence a flight in the Southern Hemisplane has ever been completely tracked from poit of origin to destination utilizing any software/interface.

The reason we cannot accurately track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is precisely due to the vast expanse of ocean (cost of technology, relative dearth of flights in the region, etc.)

Of course you will se a red line (or whatever indicator of a plane is utilized) at some point on the monitor, but that will invariably drop from the screen as the flight is lost during the day.

Total, I linked 4 websites that show every flight on Earth that is able to be tracked. Many were in the southern hemisphere. Any of them can be watched. Some pop up as they take off. Then some disappear as they land.

At no point have I ever seen a red line, or any flight go randomly missing in the southern hemisphere on the tracker.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: totallackey on February 14, 2018, 05:24:28 PM
Two flights go missing in the southern hemisphere and it is proof we can't track flights? I guess the thousands of successful flights were just luck. I'm sure it also has nothing to do with the fact that the southern hemisphere has a far larger ratio of water to land than the northern...
No, the proof that we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is the fact we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane.

There is no documented evidence a flight in the Southern Hemisplane has ever been completely tracked from poit of origin to destination utilizing any software/interface.

The reason we cannot accurately track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is precisely due to the vast expanse of ocean (cost of technology, relative dearth of flights in the region, etc.)

Of course you will se a red line (or whatever indicator of a plane is utilized) at some point on the monitor, but that will invariably drop from the screen as the flight is lost during the day.

Total, I linked 4 websites that show every flight on Earth that is able to be tracked. Many were in the southern hemisphere. Any of them can be watched. Some pop up as they take off. Then some disappear as they land.

At no point have I ever seen a red line, or any flight go randomly missing in the southern hemisphere on the tracker.
Well, you have not watched them for any sustained length of time. It is a relatively frequent occurence.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: totallackey on February 14, 2018, 05:26:36 PM
Radar facilities are based on land, and each one has a range of about 200 miles (320 kilometers). So passenger jets on transoceanic flights do go off the radar map for a period of time — but that doesn't mean nobody's keeping tabs on them. The flight crews use combinations of high-frequency (HF) radio, satellite-based voice communication and text-data networks to report to ATC [air traffic control] the exact time, position and flight level when the crossing begins. They then update ATC with voice or text progress reports at defined geographic locations and time intervals. Airlines file flight plans, and airplanes are expected to arrive at certain points by certain times. When an airplane crew fails to check in at its next checkpoint, that is when an alarm is raised. This case is an extremely rare event, especially with the highly technologically advanced aircraft in the air today.

(Source: Livescience.com)
Entire source is demonstrably INCORRECT AND FALSE based on MH370 results.

If this source was accurate, then MH370 never happens.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: Curious Squirrel on February 14, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
Radar facilities are based on land, and each one has a range of about 200 miles (320 kilometers). So passenger jets on transoceanic flights do go off the radar map for a period of time — but that doesn't mean nobody's keeping tabs on them. The flight crews use combinations of high-frequency (HF) radio, satellite-based voice communication and text-data networks to report to ATC [air traffic control] the exact time, position and flight level when the crossing begins. They then update ATC with voice or text progress reports at defined geographic locations and time intervals. Airlines file flight plans, and airplanes are expected to arrive at certain points by certain times. When an airplane crew fails to check in at its next checkpoint, that is when an alarm is raised. This case is an extremely rare event, especially with the highly technologically advanced aircraft in the air today.

(Source: Livescience.com)
Entire source is demonstrably INCORRECT AND FALSE based on MH370 results.

If this source was accurate, then MH370 never happens.
MH370 happens because the requirements aren't wide spread, and even now only about 1,000 planes have the tech installed to turn on tracking in the event of an emergency. Because upgrading old planes is relatively expensive when doing a lot of them. Not to mention we have a search area for the MH370 precisely BECAUSE of the checkpoint system. Them not finding anything yet is not evidence the source is inaccurate.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: Northman77 on February 14, 2018, 05:52:49 PM
Radar facilities are based on land, and each one has a range of about 200 miles (320 kilometers). So passenger jets on transoceanic flights do go off the radar map for a period of time — but that doesn't mean nobody's keeping tabs on them. The flight crews use combinations of high-frequency (HF) radio, satellite-based voice communication and text-data networks to report to ATC [air traffic control] the exact time, position and flight level when the crossing begins. They then update ATC with voice or text progress reports at defined geographic locations and time intervals. Airlines file flight plans, and airplanes are expected to arrive at certain points by certain times. When an airplane crew fails to check in at its next checkpoint, that is when an alarm is raised. This case is an extremely rare event, especially with the highly technologically advanced aircraft in the air today.

(Source: Livescience.com)
Entire source is demonstrably INCORRECT AND FALSE based on MH370 results.

If this source was accurate, then MH370 never happens.

Did you read it? I’m pretty sure it says: «This case is an extremely rare event,...». It happened to MH370, it happened before that tragic accident but hopefully never again. Even so, that case does not support your claim that it is impossible to track flights at the southern hemisphere. It is being done continuosly. Several links have been provided, but you choose to ignore the evidence due to a few rare events that also happens in the northern hemisphere.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: totallackey on February 14, 2018, 10:24:29 PM
Radar facilities are based on land, and each one has a range of about 200 miles (320 kilometers). So passenger jets on transoceanic flights do go off the radar map for a period of time — but that doesn't mean nobody's keeping tabs on them. The flight crews use combinations of high-frequency (HF) radio, satellite-based voice communication and text-data networks to report to ATC [air traffic control] the exact time, position and flight level when the crossing begins. They then update ATC with voice or text progress reports at defined geographic locations and time intervals. Airlines file flight plans, and airplanes are expected to arrive at certain points by certain times. When an airplane crew fails to check in at its next checkpoint, that is when an alarm is raised. This case is an extremely rare event, especially with the highly technologically advanced aircraft in the air today.

(Source: Livescience.com)
Entire source is demonstrably INCORRECT AND FALSE based on MH370 results.

If this source was accurate, then MH370 never happens.
MH370 happens because the requirements aren't wide spread, and even now only about 1,000 planes have the tech installed to turn on tracking in the event of an emergency. Because upgrading old planes is relatively expensive when doing a lot of them. Not to mention we have a search area for the MH370 precisely BECAUSE of the checkpoint system. Them not finding anything yet is not evidence the source is inaccurate.
The source is inaccurate and incorrect and it also lays waste to the legitimacy of flightaware and other so-called flight tracking systems, especially south of the Equator.

The MH370 and the written ship logs of Cook, Weddell, Ross, et.al., continue to support the theory that distances across the waters south of the Equator are NOT in line with a globe Earth.
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: inquisitive on February 14, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
Radar facilities are based on land, and each one has a range of about 200 miles (320 kilometers). So passenger jets on transoceanic flights do go off the radar map for a period of time — but that doesn't mean nobody's keeping tabs on them. The flight crews use combinations of high-frequency (HF) radio, satellite-based voice communication and text-data networks to report to ATC [air traffic control] the exact time, position and flight level when the crossing begins. They then update ATC with voice or text progress reports at defined geographic locations and time intervals. Airlines file flight plans, and airplanes are expected to arrive at certain points by certain times. When an airplane crew fails to check in at its next checkpoint, that is when an alarm is raised. This case is an extremely rare event, especially with the highly technologically advanced aircraft in the air today.

(Source: Livescience.com)
Entire source is demonstrably INCORRECT AND FALSE based on MH370 results.

If this source was accurate, then MH370 never happens.
MH370 happens because the requirements aren't wide spread, and even now only about 1,000 planes have the tech installed to turn on tracking in the event of an emergency. Because upgrading old planes is relatively expensive when doing a lot of them. Not to mention we have a search area for the MH370 precisely BECAUSE of the checkpoint system. Them not finding anything yet is not evidence the source is inaccurate.
The source is inaccurate and incorrect and it also lays waste to the legitimacy of flightaware and other so-called flight tracking systems, especially south of the Equator.

The MH370 and the written ship logs of Cook, Weddell, Ross, et.al., continue to support the theory that distances across the waters south of the Equator are NOT in line with a globe Earth.
Which part of the WGS84 model do you disagree with?
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: Northman77 on February 14, 2018, 11:04:31 PM
Radar facilities are based on land, and each one has a range of about 200 miles (320 kilometers). So passenger jets on transoceanic flights do go off the radar map for a period of time — but that doesn't mean nobody's keeping tabs on them. The flight crews use combinations of high-frequency (HF) radio, satellite-based voice communication and text-data networks to report to ATC [air traffic control] the exact time, position and flight level when the crossing begins. They then update ATC with voice or text progress reports at defined geographic locations and time intervals. Airlines file flight plans, and airplanes are expected to arrive at certain points by certain times. When an airplane crew fails to check in at its next checkpoint, that is when an alarm is raised. This case is an extremely rare event, especially with the highly technologically advanced aircraft in the air today.

(Source: Livescience.com)
Entire source is demonstrably INCORRECT AND FALSE based on MH370 results.

If this source was accurate, then MH370 never happens.
MH370 happens because the requirements aren't wide spread, and even now only about 1,000 planes have the tech installed to turn on tracking in the event of an emergency. Because upgrading old planes is relatively expensive when doing a lot of them. Not to mention we have a search area for the MH370 precisely BECAUSE of the checkpoint system. Them not finding anything yet is not evidence the source is inaccurate.
The source is inaccurate and incorrect and it also lays waste to the legitimacy of flightaware and other so-called flight tracking systems, especially south of the Equator.

The MH370 and the written ship logs of Cook, Weddell, Ross, et.al., continue to support the theory that distances across the waters south of the Equator are NOT in line with a globe Earth.

The source is inaccurate and incorrect? You were provided with four other sources that supported this source. Are they also inaccurate and incorrect? How? Other than your personal opinion, can you specify sources that is in support of your claim?

Also, you say that it lays waste to different flight trackers. Well thats a no! If anything it supports them, by confirming a certain flights track.

Are you referring to James Weddells voyage in 1822-24? If so; you then draw a straight historical line between him and MH370. Actually ignoring...well...every piece of updated information in between. Obviously his findings were coherent with FE, but he was certainly not correct. May I remind you that his journey was more than 200 years ago. I dont understand also how MH370 would prove Weddell correct. Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Your map is wrong.
Post by: nickrulercreator on February 15, 2018, 02:17:44 AM
Two flights go missing in the southern hemisphere and it is proof we can't track flights? I guess the thousands of successful flights were just luck. I'm sure it also has nothing to do with the fact that the southern hemisphere has a far larger ratio of water to land than the northern...
No, the proof that we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is the fact we cannot track flights in the Southern Hemisplane.

There is no documented evidence a flight in the Southern Hemisplane has ever been completely tracked from poit of origin to destination utilizing any software/interface.

The reason we cannot accurately track flights in the Southern Hemisplane is precisely due to the vast expanse of ocean (cost of technology, relative dearth of flights in the region, etc.)

Of course you will se a red line (or whatever indicator of a plane is utilized) at some point on the monitor, but that will invariably drop from the screen as the flight is lost during the day.

Total, I linked 4 websites that show every flight on Earth that is able to be tracked. Many were in the southern hemisphere. Any of them can be watched. Some pop up as they take off. Then some disappear as they land.

At no point have I ever seen a red line, or any flight go randomly missing in the southern hemisphere on the tracker.
Well, you have not watched them for any sustained length of time. It is a relatively frequent occurence.

Would you mind giving me an example? Like, screen record and make a video or gif? I am skeptical of your claims and require evidence.