The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: Airplane on December 26, 2017, 05:22:58 PM
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What do you think society would look like if NASA stopped deceiving people into believing the earth is round? Would technology be more advanced than is is now? Would understanding the unique place the earth occupies in the universe lead people to act with better morals and more integrity?
Starting with faulty assumptions leads to faulty results. The widespread misconception that the earth is round must surely be slowing scientific progress and hampering the spread of human rights. What do you think?
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What do you think society would look like if NASA stopped deceiving people into believing the earth is round? Would technology be more advanced than is is now? Would understanding the unique place the earth occupies in the universe lead people to act with better morals and more integrity?
Starting with faulty assumptions leads to faulty results. The widespread misconception that the earth is round must surely be slowing scientific progress and hampering the spread of human rights. What do you think?
Meaning new maps would be published?
Is WGS84 just a NASA production?
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What do you think society would look like if NASA stopped deceiving people into believing the earth is round?
This is not what we believe.
https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy
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What do you think society would look like if NASA stopped deceiving people into believing the earth is round?
This is not what we believe.
https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy
Fair enough, but that not what I was getting at with my question, so let me rephrase it. How would the world be a better place if everyone believed in a flat earth? Why does it matter?
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Fair enough, but that not what I was getting at with my question, so let me rephrase it. How would the world be a better place if everyone believed in a flat earth? Why does it matter?
It matters for quite a lot of reasons. The Flat Earth movement is a journey of science and philosophy. The cornerstone of Western science is the idea that the earth is a globe. From debating this subject for over 10 years, I can say that the theories for a lot of things rely on the shape of the earth being round. If the earth is flat it affects our entire perception of the universe. It affects how we measure the distance to the sun and stars with parallax methods, the size of galaxies, and the nature of the planets. It affects our theories on plate tectonics, the magnetic field, the tides, the formation of mountains, the oceans, the nature of gravity, and the nature of perspective. All of it changes.
Flat Earth theory affects the theory of the Big Bang that is based on expanding stars. The origin of the universe and its future must be interpreted completely differently if the universe is much smaller than previously thought.
Even the nature of Euclidean space can be in question. Were the ancient greeks wrong about some of the fundamental assumptions we make when we look at the world? Is there such a thing as a perfect circle? Is the universe discrete or continuous? Why should we interpret things one way but not the other? These are all things we discuss.
The shape of the world has everything to do with everything, and we have a strong desire to know the truth.
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Fair enough, but that not what I was getting at with my question, so let me rephrase it. How would the world be a better place if everyone believed in a flat earth? Why does it matter?
It matters for quite a lot of reasons. The Flat Earth movement is a journey of science and philosophy. The cornerstone of Western science is the idea that the earth is a globe. From debating this subject for over 10 years, I can say that the theories for a lot of things rely on the shape of the earth being round. If the earth is flat it affects our entire perception of the universe. It affects how we measure the distance to the sun and stars with parallax methods, the size of galaxies, and the nature of the planets. It affects our theories on plate tectonics, the magnetic field, the tides, the oceans, the nature of gravity, and the nature of perspective. All of it changes.
Flat Earth theory affects the theory of the Big Bang that is based on expanding stars. The origin of the universe and its future must be interpreted completely differently if the universe is much smaller than previously thought.
Even the nature of Euclidean space can be in question. Were the ancient greeks wrong about some of the fundamental assumptions we make when we look at the world? Is there such a thing as a perfect circle? Is the universe discrete or continuous? Why should we interpret things one way but not the other? These are all things we discuss.
The shape of the world has everything to do with everything, and we have a strong desire to know the truth.
Do you think the truth will out eventually or is the GE cover-up going to go on forever?
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Fair enough, but that not what I was getting at with my question, so let me rephrase it. How would the world be a better place if everyone believed in a flat earth? Why does it matter?
It matters for quite a lot of reasons. The Flat Earth movement is a journey of science and philosophy. The cornerstone of Western science is the idea that the earth is a globe. From debating this subject for over 10 years, I can say that the theories for a lot of things rely on the shape of the earth being round. If the earth is flat it affects our entire perception of the universe. It affects how we measure the distance to the sun and stars with parallax methods, the size of galaxies, and the nature of the planets. It affects our theories on plate tectonics, the magnetic field, the tides, the oceans, the nature of gravity, and the nature of perspective. All of it changes.
Flat Earth theory affects the theory of the Big Bang that is based on expanding stars. The origin of the universe and its future must be interpreted completely differently if the universe is much smaller than previously thought.
Even the nature of Euclidean space can be in question. Were the ancient greeks wrong about some of the fundamental assumptions we make when we look at the world? Is there such a thing as a perfect circle? Is the universe discrete or continuous? Why should we interpret things one way but not the other? These are all things we discuss.
The shape of the world has everything to do with everything, and we have a strong desire to know the truth.
Do you think the truth will out eventually or is the GE cover-up going to go on forever?
We don't believe that there is a Globe Earth cover up. We believe that they are merely mistaken (https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy). Scientists and astronomers are likewise merely mistaken. Everyone is merely mistaken about the shape of the earth, and it all has to do with the educational system's culture of holding its authorities dating back to Aristotle as unimpeachable.
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Fair enough, but that not what I was getting at with my question, so let me rephrase it. How would the world be a better place if everyone believed in a flat earth? Why does it matter?
It matters for quite a lot of reasons. The Flat Earth movement is a journey of science and philosophy. The cornerstone of Western science is the idea that the earth is a globe. From debating this subject for over 10 years, I can say that the theories for a lot of things rely on the shape of the earth being round. If the earth is flat it affects our entire perception of the universe. It affects how we measure the distance to the sun and stars with parallax methods, the size of galaxies, and the nature of the planets. It affects our theories on plate tectonics, the magnetic field, the tides, the oceans, the nature of gravity, and the nature of perspective. All of it changes.
Flat Earth theory affects the theory of the Big Bang that is based on expanding stars. The origin of the universe and its future must be interpreted completely differently if the universe is much smaller than previously thought.
Even the nature of Euclidean space can be in question. Were the ancient greeks wrong about some of the fundamental assumptions we make when we look at the world? Is there such a thing as a perfect circle? Is the universe discrete or continuous? Why should we interpret things one way but not the other? These are all things we discuss.
The shape of the world has everything to do with everything, and we have a strong desire to know the truth.
Do you think the truth will out eventually or is the GE cover-up going to go on forever?
We don't believe that there is a Globe Earth cover up. We believe that they are merely mistaken (https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy). Scientists and astronomers are likewise merely mistaken. Everyone is merely mistaken about the shape of the earth, and it all has to do with the educational system's culture of holding its authorities dating back to Aristotle as unimpeachable.
Do you think the truth will out eventually or will everyone remain "merely mistaken" forever?
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We don't believe that there is a Globe Earth cover up. We believe that they are merely mistaken (https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy). Scientists and astronomers are likewise merely mistaken. Everyone is merely mistaken about the shape of the earth, and it all has to do with the educational system's culture of holding its authorities dating back to Aristotle as unimpeachable.
In other words, everyone is "mistaken" except a small group of conspiracy theorists. All those folks whose jobs depend on getting things right, mistaken. Sigh, if you spent 30 minutes going through all of the industries that would fail because of this, you'd soon realize everyone can't be wrong. There are consequences for being so wrong. Things that depend on a globe would not work. Right now, there are weather satellites in polar orbits circling the globe. A polar orbit doesn't even make sense on a flat Earth. Are they just mistaken about the path their satellites take? When NORAD tracks these satellites, are they merely mistaken? When the data arrive and it matches known images of the Earth, are they mistaken in how the images fit together?
It is very easy to claim everyone is merely mistaken, but when you start thinking it out, it becomes ludicrous in seconds.
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We don't believe that there is a Globe Earth cover up. We believe that they are merely mistaken (https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy). Scientists and astronomers are likewise merely mistaken. Everyone is merely mistaken about the shape of the earth, and it all has to do with the educational system's culture of holding its authorities dating back to Aristotle as unimpeachable.
In other words, everyone is "mistaken" except a small group of conspiracy theorists. All those folks whose jobs depend on getting things right, mistaken. Sigh, if you spent 30 minutes going through all of the industries that would fail because of this, you'd soon realize everyone can't be wrong. There are consequences for being so wrong. Things that depend on a globe would not work. Right now, there are weather satellites in polar orbits circling the globe. A polar orbit doesn't even make sense on a flat Earth. Are they just mistaken about the path their satellites take? When NORAD tracks these satellites, are they merely mistaken? When the data arrive and it matches known images of the Earth, are they mistaken in how the images fit together?
It is very easy to claim everyone is merely mistaken, but when you start thinking it out, it becomes ludicrous in seconds.
I just linked you to our position (https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy) about what is going on with the space program and what they are mistaken about. Why not read it?
Do you think the truth will out eventually or will everyone remain "merely mistaken" forever?
The truth has already come out and people just deny it. It will continue to be that way until people wise up and start questioning the status quo.
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We don't believe that there is a Globe Earth cover up. We believe that they are merely mistaken (https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy). Scientists and astronomers are likewise merely mistaken. Everyone is merely mistaken about the shape of the earth, and it all has to do with the educational system's culture of holding its authorities dating back to Aristotle as unimpeachable.
In other words, everyone is "mistaken" except a small group of conspiracy theorists. All those folks whose jobs depend on getting things right, mistaken. Sigh, if you spent 30 minutes going through all of the industries that would fail because of this, you'd soon realize everyone can't be wrong. There are consequences for being so wrong. Things that depend on a globe would not work. Right now, there are weather satellites in polar orbits circling the globe. A polar orbit doesn't even make sense on a flat Earth. Are they just mistaken about the path their satellites take? When NORAD tracks these satellites, are they merely mistaken? When the data arrive and it matches known images of the Earth, are they mistaken in how the images fit together?
It is very easy to claim everyone is merely mistaken, but when you start thinking it out, it becomes ludicrous in seconds.
I just linked you to our position (https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy) about what is going on with the space program and what they are mistaken about. Why not read it?
Do you think the truth will out eventually or will everyone remain "merely mistaken" forever?
The truth has already come out and people just deny it. It will continue to be that way until people wise up and start questioning the status quo.
So you do feel that eventually people will wise up and start questioning the status quo, at which point people will stop denying the truth of the FE. Do you have any guess as to how long it might be until people wise up and start questioning the status quo?
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So you do feel that eventually people will wise up and start questioning the status quo, at which point people will stop denying the truth of the FE. Do you have any guess as to how long it might be until people wise up and start questioning the status quo?
People are starting to wise up right now. The Flat Earth movement is getting more and more popular by the day. People are performing Rowbotham's water convexity tests on YouTube and seeing a Flat Earth. I have even seen a bunch of experiments on YouTube supporting Rowbotham's more minor ideas that the moon produces "cold light". There are a ton of Flat Earth Podcasts now. More and more people are realizing that Rowbotham was right after all.
The movement will continue to grow. The movement will get more exposure in the media. There will be more experiments. People will organize the experiments and the evidence, and present it for easy digestion. At some point there will be so much evidence that the establishment could not resist debating us. Prominent figures like Bill Nye the Science Guy will feel a personal responsibility to defend the Round Earth Theory in high profile online debates. It will just take a single instance of their fall from grace to open the flood.
Once the flood happens and we have tens of thousands of people seeking the truth, the truth will be found, and it will be undeniable. All of the experiments we want to do, but can't due to funding, will be performed organically. In the meantime we must work on our theories, our philosophies, and our materials, to provide a solid starting point for curious minds to flourish.
However, even despite all of this, Flat Earth Theory will still always be a niche topic, obvious only to those motivated enough to investigate it, so long as the government continues to fake space travel. A greater political revolution to fight corruption would be needed to change that.
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So you do feel that eventually people will wise up and start questioning the status quo, at which point people will stop denying the truth of the FE. Do you have any guess as to how long it might be until people wise up and start questioning the status quo?
People are starting to wise up right now. The Flat Earth movement is getting more and more popular by the day. People are performing Rowbotham's water convexity tests on YouTube and seeing a Flat Earth. I have even seen a bunch of experiments on YouTube supporting Rowbotham's more minor ideas that the moon produces "cold light". There are a ton of Flat Earth Podcasts now. More and more people are realizing that Rowbotham was right after all.
The movement will continue to grow. The movement will get more exposure in the media. There will be more experiments. People will organize the experiments and the evidence, and present it for easy digestion. At some point there will be so much evidence that the establishment could not resist debating us. Prominent figures like Bill Nye the Science Guy will feel a personal responsibility to defend the Round Earth Theory in high profile online debates. It will just take a single instance of their fall from grace to open the flood.
Once the flood happens and we have tens of thousands of people seeking the truth, the truth will be found, and it will be undeniable. All of the experiments we want to do, but can't due to funding, will be performed organically. In the meantime we must work on our theories, our philosophies, and our materials, to provide a solid starting point for curious minds to flourish.
However, even despite all of this, Flat Earth Theory will still always be a niche topic, obvious only to those motivated enough to investigate it, so long as the government continues to fake space travel. A greater political revolution to fight corruption would be needed to change that.
So do you believe a greater political revolution to fight corruption will happen or is FET destined to remain a niche topic in perpetuity?
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Yet there is no explanation for measured distances, path of the sun and satellite operation. Or even the slightest sign of a map.
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What do you think society would look like if NASA stopped deceiving people into believing the earth is round? Would technology be more advanced than is is now? Would understanding the unique place the earth occupies in the universe lead people to act with better morals and more integrity?
Starting with faulty assumptions leads to faulty results. The widespread misconception that the earth is round must surely be slowing scientific progress and hampering the spread of human rights. What do you think?
If FET were accepted in the US of A, it would mean a breakdown of science, you could go back to the Dark Ages and believe in Noah. Farewell, old friend; the rest of the world won't be joining you.
How many posters here talk about "the government" and NASA as if they controlled the whole world?
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What do you think society would look like if NASA stopped deceiving people into believing the earth is round? Would technology be more advanced than is is now? Would understanding the unique place the earth occupies in the universe lead people to act with better morals and more integrity?
Starting with faulty assumptions leads to faulty results. The widespread misconception that the earth is round must surely be slowing scientific progress and hampering the spread of human rights. What do you think?
If FET were accepted in the US of A, it would mean a breakdown of science, you could go back to the Dark Ages and believe in Noah. Farewell, old friend; the rest of the world won't be joining you.
How many posters here talk about "the government" and NASA as if they controlled the whole world?
As an American, this drives me crazy. It's like some of my fellow Americans don't seem to comprehend that there is a whole world outside of our borders. Japan launched a satellite the other day. "The govt" and NASA were not involved. Boy, I'll bet they are going to be surprised when it hits the dome. ::)
FEH will never be more than a small slice of society though. It appeals to the conspiracy types, those who fancy themselves "free thinkers", and the gullible. Mostly though, FEers and ridiculed for being idiots.
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What do you think society would look like if NASA stopped deceiving people into believing the earth is round? Would technology be more advanced than is is now? Would understanding the unique place the earth occupies in the universe lead people to act with better morals and more integrity?
Starting with faulty assumptions leads to faulty results. The widespread misconception that the earth is round must surely be slowing scientific progress and hampering the spread of human rights. What do you think?
If FET were accepted in the US of A, it would mean a breakdown of science, you could go back to the Dark Ages and believe in Noah. Farewell, old friend; the rest of the world won't be joining you.
How many posters here talk about "the government" and NASA as if they controlled the whole world?
As an American, this drives me crazy. It's like some of my fellow Americans don't seem to comprehend that there is a whole world outside of our borders. Japan launched a satellite the other day. "The govt" and NASA were not involved. Boy, I'll bet they are going to be surprised when it hits the dome. ::)
FEH will never be more than a small slice of society though. It appeals to the conspiracy types, those who fancy themselves "free thinkers", and the gullible. Mostly though, FEers and ridiculed for being idiots.
Thanks, S-One.
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What do you think society would look like if NASA stopped deceiving people into believing the earth is round? Would technology be more advanced than is is now? Would understanding the unique place the earth occupies in the universe lead people to act with better morals and more integrity?
Starting with faulty assumptions leads to faulty results. The widespread misconception that the earth is round must surely be slowing scientific progress and hampering the spread of human rights. What do you think?
If FET were accepted in the US of A, it would mean a breakdown of science, you could go back to the Dark Ages and believe in Noah. Farewell, old friend; the rest of the world won't be joining you.
How many posters here talk about "the government" and NASA as if they controlled the whole world?
As an American, this drives me crazy. It's like some of my fellow Americans don't seem to comprehend that there is a whole world outside of our borders. Japan launched a satellite the other day. "The govt" and NASA were not involved. Boy, I'll bet they are going to be surprised when it hits the dome. ::)
FEH will never be more than a small slice of society though. It appeals to the conspiracy types, those who fancy themselves "free thinkers", and the gullible. Mostly though, FEers are ridiculed for being idiots.
Thanks, S-One.
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It is weird that so much stuff Aristotle taught either did not catch on universally (Platos idea of separate body and spirit was more popular than A's concept of an inseparable being) or was later rejected (such as the 5 elements that make up everything) or was first rejected and then eventually caught on (evolution of animals). Even his framework for ethics was sort of never really rejected but every major philosopher after him came up with a system for ethics that did not require subject matter experts to rule on what is ethical and what is not. For some reason his observations of the shape of the earth (how constellations are higher or lower in the sky depending on latitude) almost universally caught on and no one was able to successfully challenge to the point of preventing things like Columbus sailing over the edge or for satellite television to work by moving your dish closer to the horizon the farther away from the equator you are. Even doctors somehow managed to move past Aristotle and his 4 qualities and the assumption that disease is not just an imbalance of the 4 humours. It seems no one simply accepted his musings with the exception of a round earth and they just accept that one blindly.
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It is weird that so much stuff Aristotle taught either did not catch on universally (Platos idea of separate body and spirit was more popular than A's concept of an inseparable being) or was later rejected (such as the 5 elements that make up everything) or was first rejected and then eventually caught on (evolution of animals). Even his framework for ethics was sort of never really rejected but every major philosopher after him came up with a system for ethics that did not require subject matter experts to rule on what is ethical and what is not. For some reason his observations of the shape of the earth (how constellations are higher or lower in the sky depending on latitude) almost universally caught on and no one was able to successfully challenge to the point of preventing things like Columbus sailing over the edge or for satellite television to work by moving your dish closer to the horizon the farther away from the equator you are. Even doctors somehow managed to move past Aristotle and his 4 qualities and the assumption that disease is not just an imbalance of the 4 humours. It seems no one simply accepted his musings with the exception of a round earth and they just accept that one blindly.
1) Aristotle did not come up with the idea of a round Earth. Pythagoras is given some credit for that. Plato also expressed his view that the world was round. The idea had likely been around for at least 100 years, likely more, before Aristotle's contribution.
2) What makes you think people believed it blindly? Here is the most important thing - the Earth being a globe works. From navigation to the motion and position of the stars - observations match what is expected on a globe.
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1) Aristotle did not come up with the idea of a round Earth. Pythagoras is given some credit for that. Plato also expressed his view that the world was round. The idea had likely been around for at least 100 years, likely more, before Aristotle's contribution.
2) What makes you think people believed it blindly? Here is the most important thing - the Earth being a globe works. From navigation to the motion and position of the stars - observations match what is expected on a globe.
I find it very weird that the arguments against my posts to date have pretty much been by Round Earthers. My post was in regard to the statement in this thread of Aristotle being unimpeachible and that is why the school systems teach Round Earth and continue to get it wrong. I replied that it is weird that the only thing that seems to have stuck from Aristotle and was not challenged was the Round Earth concept. Everything else he mused about seems to have been discarded or modified throughout the ages. If the belief in a round earth is simply the result of Aristotle being wrong and no one wants to challenge him, that premise seems weak considering all the other things they did challenge and reject. So my point is that if it is simply that we blindly accept Aristotle on the round earth thing, it is weird that we never accepted any of the other stuff blindly. We stuck satellites for television in the air expecting them to work and if they are simply based on a wacky idea of Aristotles, we should not be using any satellite dishes, satellite phones, meteorology, book flights on travelocity, or doing any of the other things that are based on an incorrect premise we blindly accept.
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And back to the main topic. It is probably in part a result of realizing that the earth is just a dot orbiting the sun that has helped create the great reduction in wars that we now experience. A lot of people who do not consider statistics will think that the world is more dangerous now, but the facts support greater peace now than ever.
If we reject the inconsequential nature of Earth and instead believe it to be a unique place in the universe and all those lights in the sky are pretty much useless pieces of junk circling around us a few miles up, suddenly my 1/10th of an acre of land is maybe worth killing someone else over. It is humbling to consider us a mere speck of dust, but if we are kings of the universe on a special disk sitting on a stack of turtles that are growing at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 then maybe we should kill for our domain. Rejecting what we see makes us think we are more important than we are.
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1) Aristotle did not come up with the idea of a round Earth. Pythagoras is given some credit for that. Plato also expressed his view that the world was round. The idea had likely been around for at least 100 years, likely more, before Aristotle's contribution.
2) What makes you think people believed it blindly? Here is the most important thing - the Earth being a globe works. From navigation to the motion and position of the stars - observations match what is expected on a globe.
I find it very weird that the arguments against my posts to date have pretty much been by Round Earthers. My post was in regard to the statement in this thread of Aristotle being unimpeachible and that is why the school systems teach Round Earth and continue to get it wrong. I replied that it is weird that the only thing that seems to have stuck from Aristotle and was not challenged was the Round Earth concept. Everything else he mused about seems to have been discarded or modified throughout the ages. If the belief in a round earth is simply the result of Aristotle being wrong and no one wants to challenge him, that premise seems weak considering all the other things they did challenge and reject. So my point is that if it is simply that we blindly accept Aristotle on the round earth thing, it is weird that we never accepted any of the other stuff blindly. We stuck satellites for television in the air expecting them to work and if they are simply based on a wacky idea of Aristotles, we should not be using any satellite dishes, satellite phones, meteorology, book flights on travelocity, or doing any of the other things that are based on an incorrect premise we blindly accept.
Apologies - missed your point on that one.
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And back to the main topic. It is probably in part a result of realizing that the earth is just a dot orbiting the sun that has helped create the great reduction in wars that we now experience. A lot of people who do not consider statistics will think that the world is more dangerous now, but the facts support greater peace now than ever.
If we reject the inconsequential nature of Earth and instead believe it to be a unique place in the universe and all those lights in the sky are pretty much useless pieces of junk circling around us a few miles up, suddenly my 1/10th of an acre of land is maybe worth killing someone else over. It is humbling to consider us a mere speck of dust, but if we are kings of the universe on a special disk sitting on a stack of turtles that are growing at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 then maybe we should kill for our domain. Rejecting what we see makes us think we are more important than we are.
I'm fascinated by your argument that realizing the Earth isn't the only planet has reduced wars. I've just spent the whole afternoon and evening collating wars (Note: with more than 20,000 fatalities) and the years in which they happened against global population into a spreadsheet, and it made my eyes open, I can tell you.
Until 1591 we never had more than 5 such wars on the go at once
Until 1947 we never had more than 10
Since 1981 we have had at least 20.
The last year with no wars of more than 20,000 fatalities was 1797.
Top 6 deaths per year (approx 5.5million) go to WW2, but top 9 deaths per mil population (almost 10,000 per million per year) goes to the An Lushan Rebellion in 755-763.
PM me and I'll email my spreadsheet. Swaps?
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In my personal opinion this would not be accepted in todays society. This is simply because all this information againgst it, of which a large amount of people have put out into our world, there will always be people believing the Earth is flat and other people believing the Earth is a sphere, it is in human nature to disagree, we must respect others opinions on this matter and stick together so we can acheive more, although I know what I believe!
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And back to the main topic. It is probably in part a result of realizing that the earth is just a dot orbiting the sun that has helped create the great reduction in wars that we now experience. A lot of people who do not consider statistics will think that the world is more dangerous now, but the facts support greater peace now than ever.
If we reject the inconsequential nature of Earth and instead believe it to be a unique place in the universe and all those lights in the sky are pretty much useless pieces of junk circling around us a few miles up, suddenly my 1/10th of an acre of land is maybe worth killing someone else over. It is humbling to consider us a mere speck of dust, but if we are kings of the universe on a special disk sitting on a stack of turtles that are growing at a rate of 9.8 m/s2 then maybe we should kill for our domain. Rejecting what we see makes us think we are more important than we are.
I'm fascinated by your argument that realizing the Earth isn't the only planet has reduced wars. I've just spent the whole afternoon and evening collating wars (Note: with more than 20,000 fatalities) and the years in which they happened against global population into a spreadsheet, and it made my eyes open, I can tell you.
Until 1591 we never had more than 5 such wars on the go at once
Until 1947 we never had more than 10
Since 1981 we have had at least 20.
The last year with no wars of more than 20,000 fatalities was 1797.
Top 6 deaths per year (approx 5.5million) go to WW2, but top 9 deaths per mil population (almost 10,000 per million per year) goes to the An Lushan Rebellion in 755-763.
PM me and I'll email my spreadsheet. Swaps?
I do not believe major wars is a good measure. For the history of the world, countries have generally been at war. England and France were fighting each other for most of their history. The Aztecs were always at war with their neighbors. Even the island of Tasmania had ongoing wars until it was "discovered" by England. Today the EU countries do not fight each other. Canada has not fought the U.S. since 1815.
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So you do feel that eventually people will wise up and start questioning the status quo, at which point people will stop denying the truth of the FE. Do you have any guess as to how long it might be until people wise up and start questioning the status quo?
People are starting to wise up right now. The Flat Earth movement is getting more and more popular by the day. People are performing Rowbotham's water convexity tests on YouTube and seeing a Flat Earth. I have even seen a bunch of experiments on YouTube supporting Rowbotham's more minor ideas that the moon produces "cold light". There are a ton of Flat Earth Podcasts now. More and more people are realizing that Rowbotham was right after all.
The movement will continue to grow. The movement will get more exposure in the media. There will be more experiments. People will organize the experiments and the evidence, and present it for easy digestion. At some point there will be so much evidence that the establishment could not resist debating us. Prominent figures like Bill Nye the Science Guy will feel a personal responsibility to defend the Round Earth Theory in high profile online debates. It will just take a single instance of their fall from grace to open the flood.
Once the flood happens and we have tens of thousands of people seeking the truth, the truth will be found, and it will be undeniable. All of the experiments we want to do, but can't due to funding, will be performed organically. In the meantime we must work on our theories, our philosophies, and our materials, to provide a solid starting point for curious minds to flourish.
However, even despite all of this, Flat Earth Theory will still always be a niche topic, obvious only to those motivated enough to investigate it, so long as the government continues to fake space travel. A greater political revolution to fight corruption would be needed to change that.
So do you believe a greater political revolution to fight corruption will happen or is FET destined to remain a niche topic in perpetuity?
I guess it will always be a niche topic which to me implies that it will never be widely accepted. It's a travesty that the majority of mankind is destined to believing a complete and total lie about the planet place they live!
If space travel does turn out to be a thing after all, and people start routinely visiting space and looking back on earth and are able to see that it is indeed flat, do you think it might become more than a niche topic at that point?
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So you do feel that eventually people will wise up and start questioning the status quo, at which point people will stop denying the truth of the FE. Do you have any guess as to how long it might be until people wise up and start questioning the status quo?
People are starting to wise up right now. The Flat Earth movement is getting more and more popular by the day. People are performing Rowbotham's water convexity tests on YouTube and seeing a Flat Earth. I have even seen a bunch of experiments on YouTube supporting Rowbotham's more minor ideas that the moon produces "cold light". There are a ton of Flat Earth Podcasts now. More and more people are realizing that Rowbotham was right after all.
The movement will continue to grow. The movement will get more exposure in the media. There will be more experiments. People will organize the experiments and the evidence, and present it for easy digestion. At some point there will be so much evidence that the establishment could not resist debating us. Prominent figures like Bill Nye the Science Guy will feel a personal responsibility to defend the Round Earth Theory in high profile online debates. It will just take a single instance of their fall from grace to open the flood.
Once the flood happens and we have tens of thousands of people seeking the truth, the truth will be found, and it will be undeniable. All of the experiments we want to do, but can't due to funding, will be performed organically. In the meantime we must work on our theories, our philosophies, and our materials, to provide a solid starting point for curious minds to flourish.
However, even despite all of this, Flat Earth Theory will still always be a niche topic, obvious only to those motivated enough to investigate it, so long as the government continues to fake space travel. A greater political revolution to fight corruption would be needed to change that.
So do you believe a greater political revolution to fight corruption will happen or is FET destined to remain a niche topic in perpetuity?
I guess it will always be a niche topic which to me implies that it will never be widely accepted. It's a travesty that the majority of mankind is destined to believing a complete and total lie about the planet place they live!
If space travel does turn out to be a thing after all, and people start routinely visiting space and looking back on earth and are able to see that it is indeed flat, do you think it might become more than a niche topic at that point?
Don't wait for space travel. Just get the people at the stations on Antarctica (I met one guy from one) to go snap a photo of the ice wall. That should be a lot easier that traveling into space if that has not already been done. How will we know if they actually do go into space this time if every other time has been a coordinated conspiracy between the USSR and the US and every other nation now that has claimed to travel to space?
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If the flat earth model was accepted, we'll go back to more primitive time, and most of the scientific progress made will be lost along with the scientific method.
Religions will rule the world, and make crazy assumptions and attempt to prove them right by declaring everything else as wrong without reason. Research will stop, and go back to when people pooped in the streets (hyperbole, if this was your argument against me).
All of astronomy will be replaced by astrology, all fields of science will grind to a halt, or if only physics does that, then that hypothetical human population will be a bunch of hypocrites.
Best case scenario here, other than everyone laughing at the idea that enters their brain before it is kicked out and stuff resumes to normal.
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I'm fascinated by your argument that realizing the Earth isn't the only planet has reduced wars. I've just spent the whole afternoon and evening collating wars (Note: with more than 20,000 fatalities) and the years in which they happened against global population into a spreadsheet, and it made my eyes open, I can tell you.
Until 1591 we never had more than 5 such wars on the go at once
Until 1947 we never had more than 10
Since 1981 we have had at least 20.
The last year with no wars of more than 20,000 fatalities was 1797.
Top 6 deaths per year (approx 5.5million) go to WW2, but top 9 deaths per mil population (almost 10,000 per million per year) goes to the An Lushan Rebellion in 755-763.
PM me and I'll email my spreadsheet. Swaps?
I'm not sure how valid that analysis is.
Remember that conflicts a long time ago would have been more localised with very rudimentary (by today's standards) weapons.
Conflicts now are on bigger scales and because we've got better at killing each other when they do occur they are more likely to kill more people.
I'm not arguing that the world has got more peaceful over time by the way, just not convinced your metric is valid for demonstrating it has got more violent.
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We don't believe that there is a Globe Earth cover up. We believe that they are merely mistaken (https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy). Scientists and astronomers are likewise merely mistaken. Everyone is merely mistaken about the shape of the earth, and it all has to do with the educational system's culture of holding its authorities dating back to Aristotle as unimpeachable.
So NASA are mistaken. I guess the Russians and the European space agency are too?
I wonder why they keep sending people to the ISS and making videos from it and have live feeds from it. So much effort, so many more people to keep quiet.
And they have a website where you can see details of when you can see the ISS from your location, something so easily testable.
If they are trying to cover up all this then they do seem to be going out of their way to make it difficult for themselves.
And scientists are mistaken.
And astronomers.
And I guess the entire airline industry and cruise line industry have to be too?
What about polar explorers? Meteorologists who use weather satellites?
If the idea of the earth being a globe came from some bloke a couple of thousand years ago and observations increasingly didn't match that model then that model would have been replaced. That's how the heliocentric model came to be accepted, the geocentric model didn't work with the retrograde movement of the planets, various attempts were made to fix it and in the end the heliocentric model came to match the observations and so became the accepted one.
The thing is, GPS works. Satellite TV works. Google Earth works. The airline industry works. These things, all based on the earth being a globe, demonstrably work.
The flat earth model doesn't even have an accepted map. It can't even explain a sunset (no, perspective doesn't make things sink below the horizon on a flat plane, it just makes thing smaller and the flat earth model of the sun cannot explain how clouds can be lit from below). Flat earth proponents seem to be split into two camps. Some are just very ignorant of science and their argument boils down to "I don't understand it, so it can't be true". And others have staked their reputation on flat earth theory and so cling on to it in a mess of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
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So you do feel that eventually people will wise up and start questioning the status quo, at which point people will stop denying the truth of the FE. Do you have any guess as to how long it might be until people wise up and start questioning the status quo?
People are starting to wise up right now. The Flat Earth movement is getting more and more popular by the day. People are performing Rowbotham's water convexity tests on YouTube and seeing a Flat Earth. I have even seen a bunch of experiments on YouTube supporting Rowbotham's more minor ideas that the moon produces "cold light". There are a ton of Flat Earth Podcasts now. More and more people are realizing that Rowbotham was right after all.
The movement will continue to grow. The movement will get more exposure in the media. There will be more experiments. People will organize the experiments and the evidence, and present it for easy digestion. At some point there will be so much evidence that the establishment could not resist debating us. Prominent figures like Bill Nye the Science Guy will feel a personal responsibility to defend the Round Earth Theory in high profile online debates. It will just take a single instance of their fall from grace to open the flood.
Once the flood happens and we have tens of thousands of people seeking the truth, the truth will be found, and it will be undeniable. All of the experiments we want to do, but can't due to funding, will be performed organically. In the meantime we must work on our theories, our philosophies, and our materials, to provide a solid starting point for curious minds to flourish.
However, even despite all of this, Flat Earth Theory will still always be a niche topic, obvious only to those motivated enough to investigate it, so long as the government continues to fake space travel. A greater political revolution to fight corruption would be needed to change that.
So do you believe a greater political revolution to fight corruption will happen or is FET destined to remain a niche topic in perpetuity?
I guess it will always be a niche topic which to me implies that it will never be widely accepted. It's a travesty that the majority of mankind is destined to believing a complete and total lie about the planet place they live!
If space travel does turn out to be a thing after all, and people start routinely visiting space and looking back on earth and are able to see that it is indeed flat, do you think it might become more than a niche topic at that point?
Don't wait for space travel. Just get the people at the stations on Antarctica (I met one guy from one) to go snap a photo of the ice wall. That should be a lot easier that traveling into space if that has not already been done. How will we know if they actually do go into space this time if every other time has been a coordinated conspiracy between the USSR and the US and every other nation now that has claimed to travel to space?
Well if the Wright brothers had videoed their first flights and presented them to the world, naysayers could have claimed that the videos were faked. However, with everyone flying everywhere these days, it's pretty hard to deny air travel. My thought was that if space travel became common it would also be more believable and less deniable. And people wouldn't have to believe images, they could go see for themselves that the world is flat - or not.
BTW I can't wait 'til they get that space elevator built.