The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: hello_everybody on November 17, 2017, 09:03:11 PM
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I read through some of the pages on wiki here. Before coming here i believed the moon landing was a hoax, which this site confirmed. However, as reasonable as some of the arguments for flat earth sound, I just cant believe it considering evidence like this. How do you explain NASAs live feed from space which clearly shows curvature?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM
Also wouldnt astronauts who have been to space say something? If ive went to space and found out the earth wasnt a globe after have been told that my whole life, I would tell everyone.
thanks
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The answer put forward on this site is that space exploration is not possible and that the whole moon landings, ISS, satellites thing is faked by NASA who are a bunch of liars extorting billions of dollars out of the taxes in conjunction with big business.
You will be told that the ISS live feed is actually faked in a studio and using CGI. How and why this has been perpetuated for 50 years is not clearly explained.
Roger
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This looks like a scene right out of a movie. What makes you believe it's real?
There are so many proofs now that we have been swindled, I find it amazing peeps still believe in a ball spinning with water attached. It's completely impossible.
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How do you explain NASAs live feed from space which clearly shows curvature?
If I give you say 20 billion dollars (give or take a few hundred mill) do you think you could knock me up something that looks like a satelite is orbiting the earth in real time? Should be pretty doable...
http://spacenews.com/nasa-receives-more-than-19-6-billion-in-2017-omnibus-spending-bill/
And its what the Astronauts are "not" saying, that indicates where the truth lies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o1S0oObHT0c
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How do you explain NASAs live feed from space which clearly shows curvature?
If I give you say 20 billion dollars (give or take a few hundred mill) do you think you could knock me up something that looks like a satelite is orbiting the earth in real time? Should be pretty doable...
http://spacenews.com/nasa-receives-more-than-19-6-billion-in-2017-omnibus-spending-bill/
And its what the Astronauts are "not" saying, that indicates where the truth lies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o1S0oObHT0c
Maybe they got sick of repeating themselves. I get sick of it too and I get pretty grumpy about it. That doesn't mean it's proof of something.
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So you train as a pilot, then a test pilot, get the best at what you do risking your life for years. Then you get selected from hundreds of other applicants for astronaut training and spend the next few years going through the most incredibly hard physical and mental training. You then have to learn all the systems and checks ad nauseum so that you can do them without even thinking and still remain cool and calm. You then say goodbye to all those people you love in your life to take a voyage to a celestial body that has never been achieved before, knowing that there is a good chance that you will never return. You take the journey and encounter incredible risk and setbacks, any one of which could end your life, all the time being watched live by millions all over the world expecting to see you die. Telescopes, radio telescopes and communication technology from just about every country in the world is tracking your path and monitoring every word. Somehow you survive and are able to allow your mind to go back into life whilst everybody wants you to tell them every moment of every feeling you ever had for the next few decades.
Then you are invited to a televised interview where some up his arse little twat asks you whether you would swear on a book that is connected to one religion, with second hand stories written decades and centuries after the events, that you actually went to the moon! What Neil Armstrong should have done was to get up, smack him in the mouth and walk out in disgust at such a disgraceful lack of respect.
Roger
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Don't be foolish and underestimate the power of satan. These astronutz could have gone thru all this you say and one day near the end, a couple men in black explain to him or her that their daughter will be tortured and raped in front of his wife then the same for her before being shot in the head with a nail gun. Whether it's JFK, Bobby, Martin or the 1,000's before and after who went against evil only to pay, God alone cut the cards for us and made it so even the brightest scientists who sold out can't figure out 95% of what makes up the skies. Thats because you can't see beyond the dome and gravity doesn't exist now does it. It's a make believe formula.
So the Nutz are chosen just like the scientist....no return to normalization once you sell out to satan. Run along skippy. The Earth is flat.
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Don't be foolish and underestimate the power of satan. These astronutz could have gone thru all this you say and one day near the end, a couple men in black explain to him or her that their daughter will be tortured and raped in front of his wife then the same for her before being shot in the head with a nail gun. Whether it's JFK, Bobby, Martin or the 1,000's before and after who went against evil only to pay, God alone cut the cards for us and made it so even the brightest scientists who sold out can't figure out 95% of what makes up the skies. Thats because you can't see beyond the dome and gravity doesn't exist now does it. It's a make believe formula.
So the Nutz are chosen just like the scientist....no return to normalization once you sell out to satan. Run along skippy. The Earth is flat.
;D ::) >o< Yawn!!! Oh Dear! Nurse I think we need some help here!
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Don't be foolish and underestimate the power of satan. These astronutz could have gone thru all this you say and one day near the end, a couple men in black explain to him or her that their daughter will be tortured and raped in front of his wife then the same for her before being shot in the head with a nail gun. Whether it's JFK, Bobby, Martin or the 1,000's before and after who went against evil only to pay, God alone cut the cards for us and made it so even the brightest scientists who sold out can't figure out 95% of what makes up the skies. Thats because you can't see beyond the dome and gravity doesn't exist now does it. It's a make believe formula.
So the Nutz are chosen just like the scientist....no return to normalization once you sell out to satan. Run along skippy. The Earth is flat.
Don't be foolish and imagine the universe was created by a big magic fairy who also created a big evil fairy and then feel the need to deny all logic for the rest of your life to maintain the charade. Over half the population must be in on a giant conspiracy just to keep your delusion going. Run along Skippy, earth is definitely not flat.
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Hi Roger,
Its a nice sentiment and some of it is true, the astronauts did risk their lives at the start of the program until NASA realised that it couldn't be done, so they went to plan B for the good of the world and the American people (who have a somewhat more democratic society than the Ruskies) Meanwhile, Russia killed a lot of astronauts (because a life is cheaper in Russia thanks to communism) but they finally realised too that it wasn't going to happen so they also played along and did some fake landings to save face.
So now we have True Patriots and Hero's lying for the good of the country and this is why they won't swear on the bible because unlike yourself, some of these men do believe in God and are not 100 per cent down with this great lie they have been asked to sell. I believe Neil Armstrong was a humble man with a conscience and he found it very difficult to maintain this deception but he did it none the less.
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Hi Roger,
Its a nice sentiment and some of it is true, the astronauts did risk their lives at the start of the program until NASA realised that it couldn't be done, so they went to plan B for the good of the world and the American people (who have a somewhat more democratic society than the Ruskies) Meanwhile, Russia killed a lot of astronauts (because a life is cheaper in Russia thanks to communism) but they finally realised too that it wasn't going to happen so they also played along and did some fake landings to save face.
So now we have True Patriots and Hero's lying for the good of the country and this is why they won't swear on the bible because unlike yourself, some of these men do believe in God and are not 100 per cent down with this great lie they have been asked to sell. I believe Neil Armstrong was a humble man with a conscience and he found it very difficult to maintain this deception but he did it none the less.
Hang on a minute Dither, I said that the Bible was just a book full of hand me down stories with no factual evidence of anything it contains, but nowhere did I say I didn't believe in God. I don't believe in stories of fire and brimstone and other cobbled together drivel used by clever and powerful men to strike fear of the wrath of God into weak men. A great way of getting the poor people to cough up even more money and controlling their minds. Some of the greatest evils have been committed or supported by the church or in the name of God as with other religions that follow similar patterns and still are today. There is little connection between the church and God.
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;D ::) >o< Yawn!!! Oh Dear! Nurse I think we need some help here!
If you have nothing to add beyond an insult, then refrain from posting in the upper fora. Warned.
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Hi Roger,
Its a nice sentiment and some of it is true, the astronauts did risk their lives at the start of the program until NASA realised that it couldn't be done, so they went to plan B for the good of the world and the American people (who have a somewhat more democratic society than the Ruskies) Meanwhile, Russia killed a lot of astronauts (because a life is cheaper in Russia thanks to communism) but they finally realised too that it wasn't going to happen so they also played along and did some fake landings to save face.
So now we have True Patriots and Hero's lying for the good of the country and this is why they won't swear on the bible because unlike yourself, some of these men do believe in God and are not 100 per cent down with this great lie they have been asked to sell. I believe Neil Armstrong was a humble man with a conscience and he found it very difficult to maintain this deception but he did it none the less.
Personally, I don't know why they don't want to swear on the bible about it. Maybe they don't like the insult of asking them to prove they aren't part of a bullshit conspiracy. I don't know.
But I ask you this. If they swore on the bible that they did land on the moon, would you then believe them? If not, then what's the point of the question?
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How do you explain NASAs live feed from space which clearly shows curvature?
If I give you say 20 billion dollars (give or take a few hundred mill) do you think you could knock me up something that looks like a satelite is orbiting the earth in real time? Should be pretty doable...
http://spacenews.com/nasa-receives-more-than-19-6-billion-in-2017-omnibus-spending-bill/
And its what the Astronauts are "not" saying, that indicates where the truth lies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o1S0oObHT0c
It would be tough to have it track the weather in realtime.
I don't think the problem is as easy as you think.
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I am new here as well.
My take is that if I was stealing trillions of dollars from the American people, what could I not fake?
They got the money to do anything they want.
I read through some of the pages on wiki here. Before coming here i believed the moon landing was a hoax, which this site confirmed. However, as reasonable as some of the arguments for flat earth sound, I just cant believe it considering evidence like this. How do you explain NASAs live feed from space which clearly shows curvature?
Also wouldnt astronauts who have been to space say something? If ive went to space and found out the earth wasnt a globe after have been told that my whole life, I would tell everyone.
thanks
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In all truth, NASA only receives about 0.5% of the federal budget. While that is still a large amount, the VA gets roughly 1.2% of the budget. The DoD gets roughly 13% of the budget.
Not to mention some of the things that came from NASA research (http://list25.com/25-coolest-nasa-discoveries-that-changed-your-life/).
Burden of proof has yet to be established that they just "pocket" billions of dollars. Thus, it remains a conspiracy theory that holds little merit.
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In all truth, NASA only receives about 0.5% of the federal budget. While that is still a large amount, the VA gets roughly 1.2% of the budget. The DoD gets roughly 13% of the budget.
Not to mention some of the things that came from NASA research (http://list25.com/25-coolest-nasa-discoveries-that-changed-your-life/).
Burden of proof has yet to be established that they just "pocket" billions of dollars. Thus, it remains a conspiracy theory that holds little merit.
It's also worth mentioning that the $20 billion that NASA gets isn't all used in space research. NASA stands for "National Aeronautics and Space Administration" and the "aeronautics" part includes things like research into aircraft safety, novel aircraft designs, work on improved fuel efficiency...that kind of thing. NASA owns a bunch of wind-tunnels - one of which is (I believe) the largest in existence.
Also, it is very obvious to anyone who lives near one of their launch sites that they do in fact launch HUGE rockets on a fairly regular basis. Even if you believe that those are not reaching orbit (or whatever you really believe) - they still cost a lot of money to build and launch.
NASA's payments to outside contractors is whatever it is...the number of staff they employ is clearly what they claim it is...PLUS the staff who are faking all of these videos.
Consider things like the James Webb Space telescope - even if it's not a 'real space telescope' - they still paid a shit-load of money to have those huge mirrors ground - and they definitely build all of the mechanism to unfold them - and the money for a rocket large enough to convince their neighbors that they really are going to launch it.
With all of those expenses, it's REALLY hard to see how they can be "pocketing" very much of it.
Also - who are the "they" who are doing the pocketing? Employees of NASA? They seem to be paid the standard rate for engineers, etc. The management?
I just don't see how this insanely complicated process of faking everything could possibly turn a profit at all!
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In all truth, NASA only receives about 0.5% of the federal budget. While that is still a large amount, the VA gets roughly 1.2% of the budget. The DoD gets roughly 13% of the budget.
Not to mention some of the things that came from NASA research (http://list25.com/25-coolest-nasa-discoveries-that-changed-your-life/).
Burden of proof has yet to be established that they just "pocket" billions of dollars. Thus, it remains a conspiracy theory that holds little merit.
It's also worth mentioning that the $20 billion that NASA gets isn't all used in space research. NASA stands for "National Aeronautics and Space Administration" and the "aeronautics" part includes things like research into aircraft safety, novel aircraft designs, work on improved fuel efficiency...that kind of thing. NASA owns a bunch of wind-tunnels - one of which is (I believe) the largest in existence.
Also, it is very obvious to anyone who lives near one of their launch sites that they do in fact launch HUGE rockets on a fairly regular basis. Even if you believe that those are not reaching orbit (or whatever you really believe) - they still cost a lot of money to build and launch.
NASA's payments to outside contractors is whatever it is...the number of staff they employ is clearly what they claim it is...PLUS the staff who are faking all of these videos.
Consider things like the James Webb Space telescope - even if it's not a 'real space telescope' - they still paid a shit-load of money to have those huge mirrors ground - and they definitely build all of the mechanism to unfold them - and the money for a rocket large enough to convince their neighbors that they really are going to launch it.
With all of those expenses, it's REALLY hard to see how they can be "pocketing" very much of it.
Also - who are the "they" who are doing the pocketing? Employees of NASA? They seem to be paid the standard rate for engineers, etc. The management?
I just don't see how this insanely complicated process of faking everything could possibly turn a profit at all!
Let's not forget NASA is also a government agency, so every dollar they spend is being accounted for by Congress. Looking through some of their information it's clear the issue years the wiki brings up have brought about some strong changes in how they track things, with the past few years having rather intense scrutiny of costs to see where there's wasteful spending. So we've now added the members of the Congressional Oversight Committee to the list of those who have to be bribed. But as importantly, their budget information is public. https://www.nasa.gov/content/fy-2017-budget-request There's some info there. I suspect there's a deeper breakdown of everything somewhere (those have lines for "Contractual services and supplies" which take the bulk of funding in all categories and aren't all that descriptive) as I recall finding one for earlier years, but I haven't found one more current just yet. I would suggest if the FE community wishes to present any sort of 'smoking gun' in terms of actual facts, this is the sort of place to begin.
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It's also worth mentioning that the $20 billion that NASA gets isn't all used in space research. NASA stands for "National Aeronautics and Space Administration" and the "aeronautics" part includes things like research into aircraft safety, novel aircraft designs, work on improved fuel efficiency...that kind of thing. NASA owns a bunch of wind-tunnels - one of which is (I believe) the largest in existence.
Also, it is very obvious to anyone who lives near one of their launch sites that they do in fact launch HUGE rockets on a fairly regular basis. Even if you believe that those are not reaching orbit (or whatever you really believe) - they still cost a lot of money to build and launch.
NASA's payments to outside contractors is whatever it is...the number of staff they employ is clearly what they claim it is...PLUS the staff who are faking all of these videos.
Consider things like the James Webb Space telescope - even if it's not a 'real space telescope' - they still paid a shit-load of money to have those huge mirrors ground - and they definitely build all of the mechanism to unfold them - and the money for a rocket large enough to convince their neighbors that they really are going to launch it.
With all of those expenses, it's REALLY hard to see how they can be "pocketing" very much of it.
Also - who are the "they" who are doing the pocketing? Employees of NASA? They seem to be paid the standard rate for engineers, etc. The management?
I just don't see how this insanely complicated process of faking everything could possibly turn a profit at all!
Let's not forget NASA is also a government agency, so every dollar they spend is being accounted for by Congress. Looking through some of their information it's clear the issue years the wiki brings up have brought about some strong changes in how they track things, with the past few years having rather intense scrutiny of costs to see where there's wasteful spending. So we've now added the members of the Congressional Oversight Committee to the list of those who have to be bribed. But as importantly, their budget information is public. https://www.nasa.gov/content/fy-2017-budget-request There's some info there. I suspect there's a deeper breakdown of everything somewhere (those have lines for "Contractual services and supplies" which take the bulk of funding in all categories and aren't all that descriptive) as I recall finding one for earlier years, but I haven't found one more current just yet. I would suggest if the FE community wishes to present any sort of 'smoking gun' in terms of actual facts, this is the sort of place to begin.
Given the level of fraud the FE faithful suggest, there is a great opportunity for them here. There are "whistle blower" laws that allow parties bringing forth evidence of fraud to be paid a portion of the recovered funds. If the FE Society/FE Societies would formally bring forth their evidence of all this fraud, they could recover vast sums of money which they could invest in flat Earth science. Think of the things they could do. A rocket program to take pictures of the flat Earth. An expedition to the ice wall. Sending cartographers to the actual four corners of the Earth to create that elusive map.
What an awesome opportunity, unless the fraud allegations are something they just made up as an excuse to ignore inconvenient evidence.
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Given the level of fraud the FE faithful suggest, there is a great opportunity for them here. There are "whistle blower" laws [...]
What an awesome opportunity [...]
What an awesome opportunity to get murdered in cold blood, as previous whistleblowers have (https://wiki.tfes.org/Thomas_Baron). Please, I know you're trying to be generous, but you can take all the glory on that one.
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Given the level of fraud the FE faithful suggest, there is a great opportunity for them here. There are "whistle blower" laws [...]
What an awesome opportunity [...]
What an awesome opportunity to get murdered in cold blood, as previous whistleblowers have (https://wiki.tfes.org/Thomas_Baron). Please, I know you're trying to be generous, but you can take all the glory on that one.
Unlike Wikipedia proper, your wiki lacks a significant amount of references. Reading that page is a pain. The whole thing reads like a conspiracy manifesto. Doing further research on Thomas Baron, it would appear he wasn't attempting to claim NASA is fake, instead he was trying to show congress that the majority of accidents that happened to the early Apollo program could have been avoided if they were more safety-oriented. The train accident was deemed a freak accident, even with a civilian witness. Your article infers too much, and references little.
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Given the level of fraud the FE faithful suggest, there is a great opportunity for them here. There are "whistle blower" laws [...]
What an awesome opportunity [...]
What an awesome opportunity to get murdered in cold blood, as previous whistleblowers have (https://wiki.tfes.org/Thomas_Baron). Please, I know you're trying to be generous, but you can take all the glory on that one.
Can you please show us the testimony that shows Mr. Baron saying NASA wasn't running a space program? His report was about safety concerns following the Apollo 1 fire. He was concerned that NASA was sweeping safety under the rug. Further, the fire itself does beg the question - why were astronauts aboard a rocket being prepared to be launched into space if we can't actually do that?
His death was witnessed. His car was hit by a train. How you get a man to drive his car into the path of speeding train in an effort to murder him is something I would like explained. Again, just another unsupported statement in the Wiki. A murder-suicide is much easier to pull off.
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You could always defect to one of the countries not involved in the conspiracy, then blow your whistle. I'm sure North Korea would be overjoyed at the opportunity to show everybody how they were being fooled by their governments.
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Given the level of fraud the FE faithful suggest, there is a great opportunity for them here. There are "whistle blower" laws [...]
What an awesome opportunity [...]
What an awesome opportunity to get murdered in cold blood, as previous whistleblowers have (https://wiki.tfes.org/Thomas_Baron). Please, I know you're trying to be generous, but you can take all the glory on that one.
http://www.clavius.org/baron.html Seems a fairly decent breakdown of the issues your wiki raises about Thomas. History claims the report was indeed delivered to Congress. That it disappeared isn't necessarily evidence of foul play either. It not being strong evidence is a compelling point in favor of it not being hung onto for more normal reasons.
I know you're trying to make it seem like whistleblowing is highly dangerous here, but protections for those doing so are also much higher than in Thomas's time, not to mention many countries very likely willing to take someone in and come out with their own evidence in this scenario.
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Given the level of fraud the FE faithful suggest, there is a great opportunity for them here. There are "whistle blower" laws [...]
What an awesome opportunity [...]
What an awesome opportunity to get murdered in cold blood, as previous whistleblowers have (https://wiki.tfes.org/Thomas_Baron). Please, I know you're trying to be generous, but you can take all the glory on that one.
A train crashed into his car. Murdered?
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Maybe the wiki should use some revisions:
During the start of the Apollo missions former NASA Safety Inspector Thomas Ronald Baron participated in a Congressional Hearing where he complained that NASA was not operating a real safe space program.
He complained about NASA's fraudulent unsafe practices, low quality control, and the practice of keeping every employee in the dark about the big picture{source?}. R. E. Reyes, an engineer in KSC's Preflight Operations Branch, said Baron filed so many negative charges against NASA that, had KSC heeded them all, NASA would not have had a man on the moon until the year 2069.{source?}
Thomas was a real fear that the program could be stopped in its tracks
—Julian Scheer, Former NASA Spokesman {source?}
Baron testified before congress that the Apollo program was such disarray the United States would never make it to the moon {source?}. His claim and his opinions made him the target {source?}.
Then, ironically, Baron himself was stopped in his tracks. Exactly one week after he testified before Congress and only days before his report was set to be released Baron's car was [/s]stocked[/s] hit by a train. Baron, his wife and his step daughter were killed instantly. The incident was deemed by the police to be an accident. Baron's unpublished 500 page Congressional Report detailing the specific deficiencies of the Apollo program was never found.
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Given the level of fraud the FE faithful suggest, there is a great opportunity for them here. There are "whistle blower" laws [...]
What an awesome opportunity [...]
What an awesome opportunity to get murdered in cold blood, as previous whistleblowers have (https://wiki.tfes.org/Thomas_Baron). Please, I know you're trying to be generous, but you can take all the glory on that one.
I'm throwing the complete BS flag on that. I've read some of the testimony, this was a guy complaining about safety procedures and such. Said that procedures were not adequate, not followed, etc. He wasn't claiming that the whole program was being faked. But then again, if it was all being faked, why would they have safety inspectors anyway?
What evidence is there that he was murdered? You and your "wiki" make this claim without any.
Even on it's face it's a stupid claim. Sure, they "silenced" him... after he talked to the media and congress.
You to dredge that up as an excuse to skirt the issue that you have no evidence anyway. If you actually believed that the men in black were going to come and silence you, why would you be posting stuff here? You wouldn't.
You'll probably come back with an excuse that posting here is anonymous and that isn't your actual picture or something. But let's face it, if the government was capable of fooling the world as you claim, then they would surely be capable of tracking you down, right?
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Maybe the wiki should use some revisions:
During the start of the Apollo missions former NASA Safety Inspector Thomas Ronald Baron participated in a Congressional Hearing where he complained that NASA was not operating a real safe space program.
He complained about NASA's fraudulent unsafe practices, low quality control, and the practice of keeping every employee in the dark about the big picture{source?}. R. E. Reyes, an engineer in KSC's Preflight Operations Branch, said Baron filed so many negative charges against NASA that, had KSC heeded them all, NASA would not have had a man on the moon until the year 2069.{source?}
Thomas was a real fear that the program could be stopped in its tracks
—Julian Scheer, Former NASA Spokesman {source?}
Baron testified before congress that the Apollo program was such disarray the United States would never make it to the moon {source?}. His claim and his opinions made him the target {source?}.
Then, ironically, Baron himself was stopped in his tracks. Exactly one week after he testified before Congress and only days before his report was set to be released Baron's car was stocked hit by a train. Baron, his wife and his step daughter were killed instantly. The incident was deemed by the police to be an accident. Baron's unpublished 500 page Congressional Report detailing the specific deficiencies of the Apollo program was never found publicly published after being delivered to Congress before his death.
One small extra bit on the end there, as Thomas himself stated his report was delivered to the head of the Congressional committee exploring this. This quite firmly plants the trail of ownership as ending with Congress as far as public record is concerned. It not being released to the public is very different than not being 'found' (whatever that might mean since it implies he had it on him at time of death).
The listed quote by Julian Scheer I as well would be very interested in seeing a source for, as a search for it only brings up the TFES Wiki page. Sounds so far like the claim recently on the other site that Colombus got into a fight with his crew over his belief the Earth is flat. Although I suppose there's always the famous quote: "The internet, like myself, can never tell a lie." - Abraham Lincoln.
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You could always defect to one of the countries not involved in the conspiracy,
All space agencies are connected, they even have similar insignias,
http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2014/04/02/north-korean-space-agency-copies-nasa-logo/
To be fair, if you are launching craft into a perceived orbit, then you need some communication with the other national agency's so you don't end up all crashing into each other. But if your looking for clues that they are all interconected in some way then its not too hard to find, in fact, its right in front of you.
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But if your looking for clues that they are all interconected in some way then its not too hard to find, in fact, its right in front of you.
Where? What is the evidence that *all* space agencies are "interconnected?"
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You could always defect to one of the countries not involved in the conspiracy,
All space agencies are connected, they even have similar insignias,
http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2014/04/02/north-korean-space-agency-copies-nasa-logo/
To be fair, if you are launching craft into a perceived orbit, then you need some communication with the other national agency's so you don't end up all crashing into each other. But if your looking for clues that they are all interconected in some way then its not too hard to find, in fact, its right in front of you.
Cooperation yes, "connected" has deeper implications. Look at the powerhouse nations in the UN and the conflicts hot and cold that have occurred between them. To say they comunicate therefore they are united in a conspiracy is a great leap of judgment.
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Maybe the wiki should use some revisions:
During the start of the Apollo missions former NASA Safety Inspector Thomas Ronald Baron participated in a Congressional Hearing where he complained that NASA was not operating a real safe space program.
He complained about NASA's fraudulent unsafe practices, low quality control, and the practice of keeping every employee in the dark about the big picture{source?}. R. E. Reyes, an engineer in KSC's Preflight Operations Branch, said Baron filed so many negative charges against NASA that, had KSC heeded them all, NASA would not have had a man on the moon until the year 2069.{source?}
Thomas was a real fear that the program could be stopped in its tracks
—Julian Scheer, Former NASA Spokesman {source?}
Baron testified before congress that the Apollo program was such disarray the United States would never make it to the moon {source?}. His claim and his opinions made him the target {source?}.
Then, ironically, Baron himself was stopped in his tracks. Exactly one week after he testified before Congress and only days before his report was set to be released Baron's car was stocked hit by a train. Baron, his wife and his step daughter were killed instantly. The incident was deemed by the police to be an accident. Baron's unpublished 500 page Congressional Report detailing the specific deficiencies of the Apollo program was never found publicly published after being delivered to Congress before his death.
One small extra bit on the end there, as Thomas himself stated his report was delivered to the head of the Congressional committee exploring this. This quite firmly plants the trail of ownership as ending with Congress as far as public record is concerned. It not being released to the public is very different than not being 'found' (whatever that might mean since it implies he had it on him at time of death).
The listed quote by Julian Scheer I as well would be very interested in seeing a source for, as a search for it only brings up the TFES Wiki page. Sounds so far like the claim recently on the other site that Colombus got into a fight with his crew over his belief the Earth is flat. Although I suppose there's always the famous quote: "The internet, like myself, can never tell a lie." - Abraham Lincoln.
Did you try checking the bottom of the article for the source that information comes from?
http://www.clavius.org/baron.html Seems a fairly decent breakdown of the issues your wiki raises about Thomas. History claims the report was indeed delivered to Congress. That it disappeared isn't necessarily evidence of foul play either. It not being strong evidence is a compelling point in favor of it not being hung onto for more normal reasons.
I know you're trying to make it seem like whistleblowing is highly dangerous here, but protections for those doing so are also much higher than in Thomas's time, not to mention many countries very likely willing to take someone in and come out with their own evidence in this scenario.
Clavius is a NASA-authored site. The authors admit that it was written by "space industry professionals".
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Did you try checking the bottom of the article for the source that information comes from?
literally a *youtube* video and the very wikipedia article contradicting your page. No evidence from a valid source stating reasons for the inferences.
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Did you try checking the bottom of the article for the source that information comes from?
literally a *youtube* video and the very wikipedia article contradicting your page. No evidence from a valid source stating reasons for the inferences.
The Fox documentary says that the report was not found. The Wikipedia page says [citation needed] next to the assertion someone put in that the report was delivered.
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Did you try checking the bottom of the article for the source that information comes from?
literally a *youtube* video and the very wikipedia article contradicting your page. No evidence from a valid source stating reasons for the inferences.
The Fox documentary says that the report was not found. The Wikipedia page says [citation needed] next to the assertion someone put in that the report was delivered.
I'm not referencing the *missing* report. I'm referencing the statements that his intentions were to expose NASA's "lies" when he said no such things. He reported on the blatant disregard for safety. Is there reference to his statements of his attempt to undermine NASA? Where is the proof that the KSC "kept employees in the dark"?
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Maybe the wiki should use some revisions:
During the start of the Apollo missions former NASA Safety Inspector Thomas Ronald Baron participated in a Congressional Hearing where he complained that NASA was not operating a real safe space program.
He complained about NASA's fraudulent unsafe practices, low quality control, and the practice of keeping every employee in the dark about the big picture{source?}. R. E. Reyes, an engineer in KSC's Preflight Operations Branch, said Baron filed so many negative charges against NASA that, had KSC heeded them all, NASA would not have had a man on the moon until the year 2069.{source?}
Thomas was a real fear that the program could be stopped in its tracks
—Julian Scheer, Former NASA Spokesman {source?}
Baron testified before congress that the Apollo program was such disarray the United States would never make it to the moon {source?}. His claim and his opinions made him the target {source?}.
Then, ironically, Baron himself was stopped in his tracks. Exactly one week after he testified before Congress and only days before his report was set to be released Baron's car was stocked hit by a train. Baron, his wife and his step daughter were killed instantly. The incident was deemed by the police to be an accident. Baron's unpublished 500 page Congressional Report detailing the specific deficiencies of the Apollo program was never found publicly published after being delivered to Congress before his death.
One small extra bit on the end there, as Thomas himself stated his report was delivered to the head of the Congressional committee exploring this. This quite firmly plants the trail of ownership as ending with Congress as far as public record is concerned. It not being released to the public is very different than not being 'found' (whatever that might mean since it implies he had it on him at time of death).
The listed quote by Julian Scheer I as well would be very interested in seeing a source for, as a search for it only brings up the TFES Wiki page. Sounds so far like the claim recently on the other site that Colombus got into a fight with his crew over his belief the Earth is flat. Although I suppose there's always the famous quote: "The internet, like myself, can never tell a lie." - Abraham Lincoln.
Did you try checking the bottom of the article for the source that information comes from?
Oh yes, I'm certain a YouTube video titled: "Thomas Baron and astronauts killed to keep Apollo program alive" is a great source of legitimate and unbiased information. That doesn't change the fact your second source doesn't agree with what you've written in the wiki page, and the actual accounts available don't either.
"There was real fear, that the program could be stopped dead in it's tracks" - Julian Scheer. No context, just a sound bite. Oh yeah, seems super trustworthy. Definitely talking about Thomas and couldn't be any of a number of things that happened during the early years.
The YouTube video is something straight from FOX NEWS, which you'll excuse me for being instantly wary of the legitimacy of presentation. Your wiki STILL lies about what was said, even in that video though btw.
http://www.clavius.org/baron.html Seems a fairly decent breakdown of the issues your wiki raises about Thomas. History claims the report was indeed delivered to Congress. That it disappeared isn't necessarily evidence of foul play either. It not being strong evidence is a compelling point in favor of it not being hung onto for more normal reasons.
I know you're trying to make it seem like whistleblowing is highly dangerous here, but protections for those doing so are also much higher than in Thomas's time, not to mention many countries very likely willing to take someone in and come out with their own evidence in this scenario.
Clavius is a NASA-funded site. The authors admit that it was written by "space industry professionals".
As far as the website I linked, it's given as a source by Wikipedia (and the TFES wiki by extension), and the logic follows cleanly in his statements, with the facts backed up by publicly available information.
Did you try checking the bottom of the article for the source that information comes from?
literally a *youtube* video and the very wikipedia article contradicting your page. No evidence from a valid source stating reasons for the inferences.
The Fox documentary says that the report was not found. The Wikipedia page says [citation needed] next to the assertion someone put in that the report was delivered.
"Mr. BARON: I have sent to the chairman of this committee a more through report which includes all the names."
"Mr. TEAGUE: Your report went to the chairman of the full committee [i.e., Rep. George P. Miller, Chairman of the House Committee on Science and Astronautics. --Clavius], not to me. He told me he received it."
http://www.clavius.org/baron-test.html
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Explain the land of the midnight sun. That's when the sun doesn't drop below the horizon and it happens in two regions on earth at opposite times of the year.those regions are the Arctic Circle and the Antarctic Circle. if the Earth is flat then I would like the evidence that explains this actual real life phenomenon. If the Flat Earth theory cannot explain this real life phenomenon then I conclude the Earth is convex and spherical, however I do think something strange is happening in Antarctica. Like a secret base shh lol. I don't like bad theories making my fellow man look like idiots, they threw away and ignore your supposed proof because they trust the facts over pseudoscience
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I know you're trying to make it seem like whistleblowing is highly dangerous here, but protections for those doing so are also much higher than in Thomas's time
I have a hunch Edward Snowden and Julian Assange would not agree with you on that one. Besides, the nice thing about an arranged "freak accident" is that it's fairly immune to legal protections.
not to mention many countries very likely willing to take someone in and come out with their own evidence in this scenario.
Like who? Name a country that's large enough to credibly oppose the United States while not having a "space program" of their own. Then, explain why you think said country would be interested in getting the attention of American enforcers.
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I know you're trying to make it seem like whistleblowing is highly dangerous here, but protections for those doing so are also much higher than in Thomas's time
I have a hunch Edward Snowden and Julian Assange would not agree with you on that one. Besides, the nice thing about an arranged "freak accident" is that it's fairly immune to legal protections.
Well there is your answer Pete. Wikileaks. It's obvious that you agree that Assange goes to great lengths to protect his sources and to keep them anonymous. So send him your rock solid conspiracy evidence and murder evidence and he will publish it without the men in black being able to track you down.
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You could always defect to one of the countries not involved in the conspiracy,
All space agencies are connected, they even have similar insignias,
http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2014/04/02/north-korean-space-agency-copies-nasa-logo/
To be fair, if you are launching craft into a perceived orbit, then you need some communication with the other national agency's so you don't end up all crashing into each other. But if your looking for clues that they are all interconected in some way then its not too hard to find, in fact, its right in front of you.
I've seen a lot of fake watches being made in China that claim to be Rolex. Does that mean that Rolex is connected to all those fake watches?
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Well there is your answer Pete. Wikileaks. It's obvious that you agree that Assange goes to great lengths to protect his sources and to keep them anonymous.
I also know enough about cybersecurity to know that while Assange can be a helpful outlet, relaying information to him would be far from secure. Someone without my level of knowledge would probably be in trouble by now.
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Given the level of fraud the FE faithful suggest, there is a great opportunity for them here. There are "whistle blower" laws [...]
What an awesome opportunity [...]
What an awesome opportunity to get murdered in cold blood, as previous whistleblowers have (https://wiki.tfes.org/Thomas_Baron). Please, I know you're trying to be generous, but you can take all the glory on that one.
I am with Pete on this one. Ask anyone who went to jail under Obama how that whistle blower program worked out.
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What an awesome opportunity to get murdered in cold blood, as previous whistleblowers have (https://wiki.tfes.org/Thomas_Baron). Please, I know you're trying to be generous, but you can take all the glory on that one.
I am with Pete on this one. Ask anyone who went to jail under Obama how that whistle blower program worked out.
Who?
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Don't be foolish and underestimate the power of satan. These astronutz could have gone thru all this you say and one day near the end, a couple men in black explain to him or her that their daughter will be tortured and raped in front of his wife then the same for her before being shot in the head with a nail gun. Whether it's JFK, Bobby, Martin or the 1,000's before and after who went against evil only to pay, God alone cut the cards for us and made it so even the brightest scientists who sold out can't figure out 95% of what makes up the skies. Thats because you can't see beyond the dome and gravity doesn't exist now does it. It's a make believe formula.
So the Nutz are chosen just like the scientist....no return to normalization once you sell out to satan. Run along skippy. The Earth is flat.
What the actual hell!? The earth being flat is one thing, even though it's round, but do you honestly believe any one would go through that much trouble just to fake something so trivial? I think not, this is one of the main reasons I can't believe in a Flat Earth, the whole idea that the government is hiding the truth from us is silly.